| 00:03.50 | cyrill62 | hi guys ! I wan't to know if the roverp1 and roverp5+ touchscreen work... |
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| 01:54.47 | Aphros | can anybody help me? |
| 01:55.28 | the_sys0p | With? |
| 01:56.17 | Aphros | installing GPE or OPIE on a Blueangel |
| 01:56.45 | the_sys0p | Ah, sorry. I only know about the HTC Wizard (and related) phones. :( |
| 01:57.13 | Aphros | but can you tell me when I get the familiar login and login as root |
| 01:57.24 | Aphros | what am I supposed to do? |
| 01:57.50 | the_sys0p | The Wizard project isn't far enough along yet to have GPE or OPIE to my knowledge... |
| 01:58.06 | Aphros | whoops ok |
| 01:58.19 | the_sys0p | Believe me, I wish I could help in that area...it would be great...hehe. |
| 01:58.39 | Aphros | oki eheh |
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| 12:24.19 | lama | hell.o |
| 12:24.32 | lama | how useful is HTC Blue Angel with Linux now? |
| 12:24.44 | lama | can I make voice calls and Linux? |
| 12:25.47 | lama | what about battery life/suspend? |
| 12:40.47 | pH5 | lama: see http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/BlueAngel |
| 12:41.03 | pH5 | afaik 2.6.12 works more or less, but current kernels need some more work |
| 12:41.12 | lama | I've seen it |
| 12:41.35 | lama | I'm asking how it does in reality |
| 12:42.14 | lama | it looks quite good on paper... |
| 12:43.25 | lama | I have Jornada 720, it can run netbsd, and linux has quite good support on paper also but due to few bugs it's not very useful |
| 12:47.36 | pH5 | lama: I don't have a blueangel, so what I know about 2.6.12 is only hearsay. But I know that there is no phone driver in the current cvs kernel yet. |
| 12:50.34 | lama | pH5: what device do you have? |
| 12:50.51 | lama | or, what HTC has best support? |
| 12:51.25 | lama | I'm thinking about buying phone with qwerty and wince |
| 12:51.39 | lama | linux would be great too, even crappy one ;] |
| 12:52.49 | pH5 | I have a magician, which has similar hardware, but it is smaller and without keys. I think the best supported htc devices are universal and magician currently. |
| 12:52.56 | lama | I've been thinking so far about Wizard or Eten M700 but today I have found that HTC BLue Angel has quite good specs too, from my point of view it lacks only edge/umts, and it's bit too big ;) |
| 12:53.33 | pH5 | I like the hermes, but its port is still in very early stages. |
| 12:53.46 | lama | oh, I don't like universal and magican - first is too big and second lacks qwerty |
| 12:54.21 | lama | hermes is too expensive here for me and it doesn't have jack, usb-phones sux |
| 12:56.04 | lama | I wonder how useful is Blue Angel with ppc2003 in daily use, I would like to use ssh and operamini over gprs, now I use edge phone and it's fine but bit laggy sometimes |
| 12:56.31 | pH5 | no idea. wince is but just a big linux bootloader for me. |
| 12:56.35 | lama | haha;] |
| 12:56.58 | lama | it used to be bootloader for me too, on Jornada 690 - but I have been using netbsd then |
| 12:57.27 | lama | so what HTC phones can make viuce calls with linux running |
| 12:57.42 | lama | s/viuce/voice |
| 12:58.00 | pH5 | heh. jornada 690 isn't on the small side either. I had one, but it got stolen before I started to install linux on everything. |
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| 12:58.23 | lama | now I have 720 |
| 12:58.25 | pH5 | I know the magician can. And I think universal can too. |
| 12:58.40 | lama | same size, quite big yes, thats why I'm looking for something smaller |
| 12:58.47 | pH5 | And with the old kernel, blueangel is supposed to work, too. but I'm not sure about that. |
| 12:58.51 | lama | and with gsm module |
| 12:59.39 | lama | looks universal has 4 OSes now ;] |
| 12:59.56 | pH5 | the m700 looks nice, too. but it's a samsung cpu and therefore probably not very well supported yet. |
| 13:00.09 | pH5 | 4? |
| 13:00.09 | lama | s/4/3 |
| 13:00.19 | lama | wm5, wm6, and Linux ;] |
| 13:04.01 | pH5 | well, so does every device that has wm2003se, wm5 and linux :) |
| 13:04.49 | lama | my jornada also have 3 OSes: wince 3.0 (HPC 2000), linux, netbsd;] |
| 13:08.21 | lama | are there any Blue Angel users? |
| 13:15.42 | pH5 | There are a few, but I haven't seen them lately. |
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| 13:34.00 | meredydd | Hmm. |
| 13:34.21 | meredydd | I don't suppose there are any UMTS phones where Linux supports the UMTS data, apart from the obscenely clunky Universal? |
| 13:35.28 | cr2 | hermes, but it's not yet working. |
| 13:39.17 | meredydd | Ooh. |
| 13:39.31 | meredydd | Humm...is there someone working on that? |
| 13:40.27 | meredydd | (more specifically, how much work would it be, and would it be worthwhile getting my employers to post a bounty?) |
| 13:43.51 | cr2 | i have created an entry code for it, but it still does not boot. since there is no serial port, i need to merge some early framebuffer debugging code into the kernel. |
| 13:44.58 | cr2 | our main experience is with the pxa2xx-based phones, this one has s3c24xx samsung CPU, so some additional wince tools need to be written to trace the gpios in a comfortable way. |
| 13:45.55 | meredydd | Ah, so we're talking substantially different architecture here? |
| 13:46.11 | meredydd | Yick :( |
| 13:49.07 | cr2 | it's an ARM core, and the peripheral devices are very similar (if not the same), but the external CPU interface is different. |
| 13:50.25 | cr2 | don't be upset, some s3c24xx-based devices are already supported, and the openmoko code is also for the s3c2410. it will be released in 2 weeks. |
| 13:51.28 | meredydd | Hmm, okay then. |
| 13:52.08 | meredydd | I'm just hemming and hawwing, trying to decide whether to splash out on something that currently works, but only supports GPRS, or hold out for Linux support on something with UMTS |
| 13:55.50 | cr2 | take umts. my personal advice. |
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| 14:13.06 | meredydd | Mmm. |
| 14:13.37 | meredydd | That's probably sensible, cr2, as I'm not actually likely to have time to make a concept phone before the summer :P |
| 14:14.08 | lama | umts has two drawbacks from my point of view |
| 14:14.19 | lama | it consumes more power |
| 14:14.43 | lama | and if I'm in umts range then I can find bettter net solutions (read wifi) ;] |
| 14:15.24 | meredydd | Mmm...not so in the UK. |
| 14:15.49 | meredydd | I can get UMTS just about anywhere, but hotspots are rare and expensive |
| 14:31.23 | lama | there is umts outside cities and towns ? |
| 14:36.43 | pH5 | damn, I don't get the wake-up interrupts from the gsm chipset anymore.. |
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| 16:50.02 | cr2 | pH5: moko uses "TI Calypso". is it the same chipset ?? |
| 16:54.43 | pH5 | cr2: according to gsmweb.nl, the himalaya has a ti calypso bb too. |
| 16:56.10 | pH5 | http://www.gsmweb.nl/gsmweb/forms/fullspec/qt2020i.htm |
| 16:58.22 | cr2 | ba has the same chipset. |
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| 16:59.04 | cr2 | should i post your link to the ML ? :) |
| 17:00.00 | pH5 | and magician has certainly the same chipset as the blueangel (heck, the firmware is nearly identical) |
| 17:00.28 | pH5 | so I guess those are all based on this ti calypso platform, just with custom-built kernels. |
| 17:00.31 | cr2 | then the alpine too. |
| 17:01.44 | pH5 | http://www.my-qtek.com/pdf/Qtek_9090.pdf |
| 17:01.58 | pH5 | this one looks nearly official. |
| 17:02.12 | pH5 | "TI Calypso + IOTA GSM/GPRS solution" |
| 17:03.19 | cr2 | this pdf is "htc confidential" :) |
| 17:03.49 | pH5 | so post that to the ML! ;) |
| 17:04.02 | cr2 | renatostore should trace the AT command port. |
| 17:04.05 | cr2 | ok :) |
| 17:04.50 | cr2 | quote -> |
| 17:04.53 | cr2 | We're using a Ti Calypso chipset. Unfortunately this stuff is all |
| 17:04.53 | cr2 | under _super_ NDA :-( |
| 17:04.53 | cr2 | AKA: If I post a datasheet I would get the CEO of FIC fired within 24 hours |
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| 17:07.55 | pH5 | ouch |
| 17:08.50 | cr2 | i guess it's related to the gsm crypto & stuff. |
| 17:10.39 | pH5 | probably. well, perhaps I can learn something from their kernel driver already. I hope they connect it in a similar way. |
| 17:14.24 | cr2 | certainly. they may have some other mux/prefix variant. |
| 17:14.43 | cr2 | that's why it is interesting what renatostore will see on alpine. |
| 17:15.07 | pH5 | right, AT+WMUX isn't used on the magician at all. I wonder if there is support for that in the radio firmware |
| 17:15.28 | pH5 | grr. |
| 17:17.39 | cr2 | strings rilgsm.dll |
| 17:18.18 | cr2 | but it's a logical move. the hw is outdated, well tested and certified. should be cheap to use. |
| 17:21.33 | pH5 | I agree. Also using the same BB chip that I already have is a nice move :) |
| 17:21.34 | cr2 | AT+CGREF=0 on magician ? |
| 17:21.39 | cr2 | is it a typo ? |
| 17:21.46 | cr2 | lol. |
| 17:22.40 | cr2 | test moko on magician, while waiting for the "real thing". |
| 17:22.48 | cr2 | hmm. only universal has vga lcd. |
| 17:23.24 | pH5 | If they didn't just tease me, I'll get one of the phase 0 devices. |
| 17:24.19 | pH5 | CGREF? should be CGREG |
| 17:26.37 | pH5 | "strings radio_.decoded | grep CMUX" returns "F+CMUX" and "+CMUX: %s", so I might be lucky.. |
| 17:30.14 | cr2 | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_GSM |
| 17:30.29 | cr2 | says CGREF=0 in the init block for magician |
| 17:30.58 | pH5 | I'll correct that |
| 17:32.18 | cr2 | ok. |
| 17:34.00 | pH5 | much better now |
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| 17:37.45 | cr2 | hm. all 4 have identical init. |
| 17:44.35 | pH5 | that's the way it should be. now I want to see that gsm daemon.. |
| 17:44.57 | cr2 | :) |
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| 19:19.16 | goxboxlive | hi |
| 19:20.36 | pH5 | hi goxboxlive |
| 19:20.58 | goxboxlive | hello |
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| 19:29.35 | Foxdie | hi goxboxlive |
| 19:29.50 | Foxdie | can I report a problem to you for htc-linux on the universal? |
| 19:30.29 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: Yes of course |
| 19:31.42 | Foxdie | first of all, I've confirmed this bug on both opie and gpe versions |
| 19:31.47 | Foxdie | through multiple clean installs |
| 19:31.55 | Foxdie | I've double checked I have all the latest files |
| 19:32.22 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 19:32.24 | Foxdie | when I boot with WiFi enabled all input (touchscreen and keyboard) is not responsive |
| 19:32.37 | Foxdie | the clock will update so it's not totally crashed |
| 19:32.49 | Foxdie | and I can kill the window manager by pressing mail + internet + del |
| 19:33.28 | Foxdie | if I boot with wifi disabled, it works perfectly |
| 19:33.28 | Foxdie | but without wifi :) |
| 19:33.37 | goxboxlive | realy, i have never tried that. Is that when you are trying a fresh image or is with and image that have been runned before. I'll try boot my linux card with wifi enabled. Hold pn. |
| 19:33.58 | Foxdie | I am trying with fresh image |
| 19:34.03 | Foxdie | completely newly formatted SD card, all latest files |
| 19:34.40 | Foxdie | the only slightly different thing is perhaps because my SD card is 2GB it may not like it |
| 19:34.42 | goxboxlive | If you boot without wifi you just load the module and then it wifi should work. |
| 19:35.16 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: Do you mean wifi enabled in linux or in WInCE? |
| 19:35.19 | Foxdie | main partition is 1.7gb, the remaining 200 or so MB is allocated to ext3 for the boot partition |
| 19:35.36 | Foxdie | wifi enabled in windows mobile 2005 just before running HaRet |
| 19:35.51 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 19:36.40 | goxboxlive | shit forgot o enable wifi |
| 19:37.34 | Foxdie | in which? your boot process now to test, or in your release? |
| 19:39.19 | goxboxlive | I havent experind the problem my self, so i am testing to boot linux on my universal with Wfifi enabled in Wince and i have also deleted /etc/pointrecal to let it calibrate once again. |
| 19:39.57 | goxboxlive | I guess the problem is the driver htcuniversal_acx.c . It is a buggy driver and needs some clean up. It has nothing to do with Opie/gpe . |
| 19:42.50 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: Yes, i have the same problem. My touchscreen is dead. Great that you solved this. |
| 19:42.58 | goxboxlive | Thanks a lot |
| 19:43.28 | Foxdie | I'm sorry to give you more work to do ;) |
| 19:43.29 | goxboxlive | Have you tried to boot with the acx module loaded, is it behaveing the same ? |
| 19:44.18 | Foxdie | I don't know how to do that, but I'll follow any instructions you give, I would like to help |
| 19:44.21 | goxboxlive | No, for me this is not more work, I am not the one who has made the drivers, i only make the images. Cr2 is the guy who has done that work. |
| 19:44.44 | goxboxlive | I can try my self, to see. |
| 19:46.48 | Foxdie | ah ok |
| 19:47.06 | Foxdie | is there anything I can do to help? |
| 19:47.25 | Foxdie | you guys give me a free distro for my pda, the least I can do is help a little ;) |
| 19:49.48 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: Well you have been very helpfull to now. But what we need is help to test the images and solve problems like you did now. |
| 19:49.55 | Foxdie | cool |
| 19:50.24 | Foxdie | would you like me to test that modules thing? |
| 19:50.39 | Foxdie | you may have to explain how to do it for me, but I'll do it if it aids you guys |
| 19:51.03 | goxboxlive | I mam testing it now. It just to try to boot with the acx module loaded and see if the same thing happens |
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| 19:53.12 | goxboxlive | If you want to try yurself its just to "modprobe acx" and the "update-modules" The it should be loaded at boot. Also rememeber to delet pointrecal file in /etc before rebooting. It forces GUI to re calibrate |
| 19:53.13 | renatostore | hi all |
| 19:54.57 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: Could you post in the linux forum at xda-dev that you have solved the touchscreen problem and tell people to have wifi diabled for now when booting in to linux. |
| 19:56.14 | goxboxlive | hi renastore |
| 19:56.38 | Foxdie | okay goxboxlive |
| 19:57.02 | goxboxlive | Foxdie: Booting with acx enabeld didnt solve the problem. We have to fix the driver. I'll mention it for cr2 |
| 20:05.58 | goxboxlive | Ok, it didnt help to boot without acx and htcuniversal_acx unloaded. |
| 20:06.05 | goxboxlive | cr2: are around |
| 20:06.13 | goxboxlive | +you |
| 20:10.53 | Foxdie | hes been idle for at least 2 hours according to my client |
| 20:18.39 | goxboxlive | ok |
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