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| 01:22.57 | DeadlyNinja | has development on the blueangel stopped? |
| 01:23.18 | DeadlyNinja | i signed up for the htc-linux mailing list and saw that there have been no posts for months |
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| 05:04.10 | phongred | hi all |
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| 05:17.28 | lucificifus | hello all :) does anyone have a mirror for widespread.org/6700? I'm looking for the HTC-Linux 6700 tarballs |
| 05:25.36 | phongred | 22 |
| 05:56.23 | parmaster | lucificifus when you find them let me know i'm looking for em too |
| 05:57.07 | lucificifus | parmaster, I found a subversion repository with some patches that you can use to roll your own kernel, and then use a standard GPE/Opie install with |
| 05:57.22 | lucificifus | parmaster, http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HTCApache |
| 05:57.43 | lucificifus | parmaster, what phone do you have? |
| 05:58.06 | parmaster | i have a few htc's |
| 05:58.11 | parmaster | two ba's |
| 05:58.15 | parmaster | one 0x04 |
| 05:58.20 | parmaster | one 0x06 |
| 05:58.23 | lucificifus | :P |
| 05:58.31 | parmaster | and i also have an apache now |
| 05:58.46 | lucificifus | well, I'm assuming you have something running linux at home? |
| 05:58.49 | lucificifus | :D |
| 05:58.53 | parmaster | sure |
| 05:59.15 | lucificifus | cool :) I was going to offer you the compiled binaries I'm generating atm fi you didn't have linux at home :) |
| 05:59.30 | parmaster | i don't have oe installed |
| 05:59.35 | Kevin2 | lucificifus: The 6700 can run linux. You can grab the familiar images for h2200, and the linux kernel from hh.org cvs. |
| 05:59.38 | parmaster | so i'll take em if you have them handy :) |
| 06:00.05 | lucificifus | Kevin2, thanks for the h2200 info! \m/ |
| 06:01.11 | lucificifus | kevin, I'll post links to my compiled stuffs in a zip in a few here |
| 06:01.30 | lucificifus | *parmaster rather |
| 06:01.47 | parmaster | kevin, so the acx works on the apache |
| 06:01.50 | parmaster | ? |
| 06:02.10 | Kevin2 | Yes. I'm not sure how stable it is, but two people have confirmed that they can connect to their base station with it. |
| 06:02.21 | parmaster | ah ok |
| 06:02.36 | parmaster | thanks |
| 06:03.13 | lucificifus | supposedly no WPA support from what I've heard |
| 06:03.42 | parmaster | thats fine |
| 06:03.48 | lucificifus | fine on my end too :D |
| 06:04.25 | parmaster | wpa isn't security anyway people are using time-memory tradeoff prehashes for it anyway |
| 06:05.04 | lucificifus | haha, great, so now they have rainbowtables for WPA? |
| 06:05.17 | parmaster | something like that... yeah |
| 06:05.49 | Hymie | it's so sad, because I run into people.. literally daily, that think it is safe.. because, why else would it be there, if not?! |
| 06:05.56 | Hymie | and.. it's encryption! therefore, it's safe! |
| 06:06.04 | parmaster | exactly |
| 06:07.35 | parmaster | its always only ever a matter of computing power versus time |
| 06:08.10 | phongred | hix |
| 06:08.30 | phongred | who can help me? lol |
| 06:28.34 | parmaster | Kevin2: does irda work on apache? |
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| 06:56.40 | Ralith | parmaster, if you can make an iface on it, apache works on it :P |
| 06:59.00 | parmaster | i guess i'll have to check into it |
| 06:59.26 | parmaster | i have an external irda keyboard the "freedom" |
| 06:59.48 | parmaster | i haven't really tried to take apart its windows ce driver |
| 07:00.11 | parmaster | i know xda dev has had a copy of it uploaded to them some time ago |
| 07:00.15 | Ralith | er, wrong kind of apache |
| 07:00.16 | Ralith | sorry |
| 07:00.17 | parmaster | doubt it interested anyone |
| 07:00.18 | Ralith | :P |
| 07:00.39 | Ralith | was kinda curious why you wanted to serve http over irda |
| 07:00.41 | parmaster | yeah i know, everyone gets such a kick out of the ironic naming |
| 07:02.08 | parmaster | ralith so are you currently working on driver stuff or porting ? |
| 07:02.26 | parmaster | which htc(s) you have? |
| 07:02.33 | Ralith | nope. Mostly just hanging around here to get an idea of how Universal stuff is progressing; I'm not even a kernel hacker |
| 07:02.41 | Ralith | the Universal, as implied |
| 07:02.44 | parmaster | neither am i. |
| 07:02.58 | parmaster | the universal looks like a good piece of kit |
| 07:03.08 | parmaster | never had the pleasure |
| 07:03.27 | parmaster | for some reason universals are up for sale for very high dollar values on ebay and i can't imagine why |
| 07:03.36 | parmaster | the phone doesn't even work under linux |
| 07:04.05 | parmaster | the ba's you can even make voice calls over |
| 07:04.41 | parmaster | i'd always hoped the acx problem would get fixed on the ba so that it would be a complete working unit under linux |
| 07:05.45 | parmaster | i've ha some really decent uptimes on the ba |
| 07:05.53 | parmaster | like 60+ days |
| 07:05.59 | parmaster | under 2.6.12 |
| 07:06.08 | parmaster | with everything still functioning properly |
| 07:15.36 | Ralith | parmaster, they're almost working completely under linux |
| 07:15.46 | Ralith | also, how much did you see them going for? |
| 07:15.51 | Ralith | they retail around $600-$1k |
| 07:16.11 | Ralith | got mine off ebay for $350 used |
| 07:16.29 | parmaster | wow not bad |
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| 07:29.14 | Ralith | yeah, stroke of luck there |
| 07:29.36 | Ralith | it was inoperable in the UK 'cause he reported it lost then found it again, after the IMEI was blacklisted |
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| 08:53.19 | phongred | alo |
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| 09:08.04 | gxl|work | godd morning everyone |
| 09:20.37 | BabelO | hi goxboxlive |
| 09:23.32 | gxl|work | hi |
| 09:23.56 | gxl|work | hmmfff i so tired today. Baby crying all night |
| 09:37.11 | BabelO | In Qtopia we can overload some class to add a correct HTC support and bypass Qtopia phone library that is missing |
| 09:37.19 | BabelO | but it is a hard work :( |
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| 11:51.34 | logan | pH5: Hello |
| 11:53.50 | logan | I can't remember how to apply the magician patches to kernel-sources |
| 11:55.00 | logan | I have to use quilt application? |
| 12:10.36 | logan | how I have to apply magician patches? |
| 12:30.49 | pH5 | logan: yes, use quilt. unpack the tarball into the kernel source (this creates a patches/ directory) and run quilt push -a |
| 12:39.59 | logan | I have to run quilt push -a inside patches directory or inside kernel-source directory? |
| 12:41.00 | pH5 | logan: both works. quilt automatically finds the source tree's top directory (by looking for a directory updwards from the current dir that has a 'patches' directory in it) |
| 12:41.18 | logan | ok |
| 12:41.57 | logan | and then I have to copy a config file as a .config in the kernel-source directory, isn't it= |
| 12:41.59 | logan | ? |
| 12:44.16 | pH5 | arch/arm/configs/magician_defconfig |
| 12:44.23 | pH5 | or just type make magician_defconfig |
| 12:46.40 | logan | ok |
| 12:46.42 | logan | thank you |
| 12:48.16 | cr2 | hi |
| 12:48.29 | pH5 | hi cr2 |
| 12:48.41 | cr2 | we have some time now to finish before openmoko comes out :) |
| 12:49.12 | pH5 | cr2: how long? |
| 12:49.24 | cr2 | pH5: i hate kernel patches :) doesn't your hh.org CVS kernel work the same ? |
| 12:49.31 | cr2 | pH5: one month. |
| 12:49.54 | cr2 | delayed because of the hw problems. |
| 12:50.13 | cr2 | and they will include bluetooth. |
| 12:50.27 | pH5 | cr2: nearly. I just built a complete angstrom image with yesterday's hh.org cvs. but for some reason the sound driver doesn't register and gsm suspend/resume doesn't work with 2.6.19 |
| 12:50.38 | cr2 | not a big surprise on my side. |
| 12:50.56 | cr2 | do you use asoc ? |
| 12:51.01 | pH5 | i wonder how they expected to sell it without bt in the first place |
| 12:51.33 | cr2 | yeah. that's was my first thought too. |
| 12:51.33 | pH5 | cr2: yes, and in my patched kernel it works |
| 12:51.47 | cr2 | hm. how are you enabling gpios et al. ? |
| 12:52.15 | cr2 | i'm thinking about modifying the ak4535 asoc driver for ak4641 |
| 12:52.31 | cr2 | 2 alternative drivers is good. |
| 12:52.54 | cr2 | but i'd like to know if it can be used by userspace. |
| 12:53.11 | pH5 | cr2: have a look at sound/soc/pxa/magician.c for the gpio handling |
| 12:53.27 | logan | sorry I think I'm doing something bad |
| 12:53.28 | cr2 | ah, pxa/magician. ok. |
| 12:53.50 | logan | but when I type make the compiler show me a follow error |
| 12:54.01 | logan | cc1: error: unrecognized command line option "-mlittle-endian" |
| 12:54.03 | logan | ... |
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| 12:57.30 | logan | do you know why? |
| 12:59.35 | pH5 | logan: your arm cross-compiling toolchain is not set up correctly |
| 13:01.42 | cr2 | logan: which toolchain are you using ? |
| 13:02.43 | cr2 | pH5: do you have EABI in defconfig ? it seems to be the best option for moving people to a newer compiler. |
| 13:03.25 | cr2 | CONFIG_AEABI=y |
| 13:03.25 | cr2 | CONFIG_OABI_COMPAT=y |
| 13:03.26 | cr2 | ok. |
| 13:03.30 | pH5 | cr2: of course! ;) |
| 13:03.57 | cr2 | mem=63M ? |
| 13:04.08 | cr2 | why not 64 ? |
| 13:04.10 | logan | pH5: How I can know? |
| 13:05.23 | pH5 | cr2: a long time ago there were haret booting issues with mem=64M |
| 13:05.34 | cr2 | gcc --version |
| 13:05.51 | cr2 | pH5: then change it :) |
| 13:06.04 | kimuSan^ | hola. how are things hanging :-) |
| 13:06.35 | logan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:06.45 | logan | this is the version of gcc |
| 13:07.03 | pH5 | cr2: I will. Just needed to be aware of it :D |
| 13:07.34 | cr2 | logan: good catch. we all use 4.1.1 afaik. because it's the OE standard. |
| 13:07.52 | pH5 | VisN: I'll upload the new angstrom-gpe-image now, regardless of its slightly unfinished state |
| 13:08.16 | cr2 | pH5: editing .config with the text editor is very useful sometimes. |
| 13:08.35 | pH5 | VisN: after first boot you'll have to chmod o+wt /var/tmp and add your user to the dialout group to make the phone work |
| 13:08.46 | pH5 | cr2: indeed :) |
| 13:09.16 | cr2 | the absense of 'find' in menuconfig is really bad. |
| 13:09.34 | pH5 | find? like '/'? |
| 13:09.52 | cr2 | so i'm using find . -name Kconfig | xargs grep ;) |
| 13:10.23 | pH5 | that command is familiar to me :) |
| 13:10.55 | cr2 | you can't find the location of a needed symbol in menuconfig afaik. |
| 13:11.56 | pH5 | I see. |
| 13:11.57 | pH5 | bbl |
| 13:16.15 | logan | I have a Debian and if I type dpkg -l | grep gcc |
| 13:16.19 | logan | I get |
| 13:16.39 | logan | ii gcc-4.1 4.1.1-19 The GNU C compiler |
| 13:16.54 | logan | but if I type gcc-4.1 --version |
| 13:17.10 | logan | gcc-4.1 (GCC) 4.1.2 20061028 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-19) |
| 13:17.56 | logan | Where I can get the 4.1.1 compiler? |
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| 13:28.22 | cr2 | logan: is this the *arm*gcc |
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| 13:36.37 | logan | ok |
| 13:40.13 | logan | how I can compile a kernel for my s100 phone? |
| 13:41.05 | goxboxlive | I have never seen a gcc-arm 4.1 compiler for download. |
| 13:41.26 | logan | I had thought compile the kernel in my computer and then copy the zImage at phone? |
| 13:41.39 | goxboxlive | probaly the easiest way is to build something with Openembedded and take it form the cross directory |
| 13:42.03 | goxboxlive | remember, you should also install the modules |
| 13:47.35 | logan | pH5: you told me about a image kernel compiled |
| 13:47.44 | logan | Where I can get it? |
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| 14:06.53 | cr2 | goxboxlive: http://www.codesourcery.com/gnu_toolchains/arm/download.html |
| 14:08.56 | cr2 | goxboxlive: imho the modules do not belong to the image, and should be loaded together with the kernel/ramdisk. can be copied (as a convenience) to /lib/modules/* after boot. |
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| 14:16.36 | logan | cr2: onec I downloaded a arm from www.codesourcery.com, how I compile the kernel-sources? |
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| 14:26.24 | cr2 | PATH=/where/is/gcc/bin:$PATH CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-eabi- make |
| 14:39.32 | gxl|work | cr2: The modules have to be installed, and can not be copied. I have tried that, and it doesnt load them automatic if they are listed in modultils. |
| 14:41.46 | gxl|work | so actually, you are able to make a zimage from windows. |
| 14:46.26 | cr2 | gxl|work: of course it can be done :) put modules into initramfs, or 'mount /lib/modules' from the ramdisk. |
| 14:49.13 | logan | cr2: Has to be HOSTCC a gcc compiler into /usr/bin/ directory? |
| 14:49.43 | logan | or the HOSTCC compiler is the same as arm-none-eabi-gcc? |
| 15:01.06 | cr2 | logan: you don't need to change anything in the Makefile |
| 15:01.19 | cr2 | i use the gcc from OE: |
| 15:01.35 | cr2 | PATH=~/stuff/tmp/cross/bin/:$PATH CROSS_COMPILE=arm-angstrom-linux-gnueabi- make -j 3 |
| 15:02.01 | cr2 | but is should be the same for the codesourcery toolchain. |
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| 16:07.16 | BabelO | goxboxlive : if you copy modules by hand, you need to start depmod -a command with some other option to have a working module directory |
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| 17:30.43 | goxboxlive | psokolovsky: Are you there? |
| 17:31.21 | psokolovsky | goxboxlive, Hi! |
| 17:32.28 | goxboxlive | Hi there |
| 17:32.51 | goxboxlive | Do you know how i can add htc-pxa mailing list as a receiver when i change the wiki page ? |
| 17:34.29 | goxboxlive | Some peolple are thinking that the htc-pxa is dead since it so quite there. Adding the mailing list as a receiver will show that there still is activation on the project. |
| 17:34.48 | goxboxlive | I have mailed france about it, but i havent got any respons. |
| 17:35.41 | psokolovsky | goxboxlive, h4000 has that. Register a wiki user with ML's address (watch out for passwds being sent there), and subsrcibe that user to the pages of interest. |
| 17:36.46 | psokolovsky | goxboxlive, Btw, have you seen proposal for common status page format? I count on you guys to help adopt it ;-) |
| 17:36.58 | goxboxlive | yes i have seen that the h4000 has it, and i thought it where a good idea.. Ok, i'll look at it. |
| 17:37.06 | goxboxlive | psokolovsky: We like colors :-) |
| 17:37.46 | psokolovsky | goxboxlive, feel free to use colors, and propose them for standard. Consitency of content is what is important. |
| 17:38.04 | goxboxlive | Ok, i guess i can take a look at it. |
| 17:39.00 | psokolovsky | ok, thanks |
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| 18:09.53 | logan | I have to compiled the zImage but when it begins to compile the modules I get the follow error: |
| 18:10.04 | logan | WARNING: "battery_class_register" [arch/arm/mach-pxa/magician/magician_ts.ko] undefined! |
| 18:10.05 | logan | WARNING: "battery_class_unregister" [arch/arm/mach-pxa/magician/magician_ts.ko] undefined! |
| 18:10.05 | logan | make[1]: *** [__modpost] Error 1 |
| 18:10.05 | logan | make: *** [modules] Error 2 |
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| 18:12.14 | pH5 | logan: that is strange. don't you have CONFIG_BATTERY_MONITOR enabled in the .config? |
| 18:13.49 | pH5 | these functions are part of drivers/hwmon/battery/battery.c, which comes with the battery-hh.o.patch |
| 18:15.38 | pH5 | yuck. the hh.org cvs magician code hangs during suspend :/ |
| 18:56.47 | goxboxlive | Is anyone receiving mail form htc-pxa mailing list (the last hour)? |
| 18:57.53 | goxboxlive | s/form/from/ |
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| 19:12.37 | BabelOued | hi |
| 19:13.20 | goxboxlive | hi |
| 19:22.03 | logan | ok the kernel and modules was compiled without problems |
| 19:22.06 | logan | now |
| 19:22.32 | VisN | how to access to console through usb on my magician? |
| 19:23.20 | logan | what can I do to load modules when start kernel? |
| 19:25.05 | logan | where is the path of the zImage I have to get? |
| 19:26.05 | goxboxlive | arch/arm/boot |
| 19:27.55 | logan | and what about modules? |
| 19:28.35 | goxboxlive | bash$ INSTALL_MOD_PATH=/the root of your OPIE/GPE on sd card/ make modules_install |
| 19:29.06 | goxboxlive | look at the this page (bottom) http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalKernel |
| 19:29.38 | cr2 | goxboxlive: what do you think about removing the kernel compile for universal from oe ? |
| 19:30.14 | goxboxlive | cr2: why? Because of a common image? |
| 19:30.28 | cr2 | and because of updates. |
| 19:31.12 | cr2 | running your own kernel is too much pain now. |
| 19:31.32 | goxboxlive | But, has updates any thing to do with it? It's just to delete the modules directory and install the new ones, or are you thinking of a initranfs image? |
| 19:31.53 | cr2 | and i can't compile the stock OE opie-image at all. |
| 19:32.07 | cr2 | i don't want to delete modules manually. |
| 19:32.34 | goxboxlive | like this? rm -rf /media/usbdisk-3/lib/modules/* |
| 19:32.35 | cr2 | i want to compile my kernel/modules/haret/whatever and boot with rootfs on my SD card. |
| 19:33.59 | cr2 | yes. it means i need 1. linux 2. usb SD cardreader 3. take the card out of the phone 4. install new modules with the commands and tools that will scare anybody but a hardcore linux user. |
| 19:34.34 | cr2 | imho. it is too much pain. |
| 19:35.14 | cr2 | and the OE does not compile at all now, because it wants the 2.6.18-hh1 kernel with some specific defconfig from oe. |
| 19:35.28 | goxboxlive | But even if we remove the listed modules in htcuniversal.conf modules are beeing installed. The generics ones in task-base is doing that. |
| 19:35.37 | cr2 | the kernel is such a moving target now, that it's unfeasible. |
| 19:36.21 | goxboxlive | Yes i have said that to the OE dev, but they ignore it. |
| 19:36.31 | goxboxlive | But i can understand them |
| 19:36.36 | cr2 | all it sums out that i wait for you compiling a new kernel, new opie/qtopia, wiping off everything from the card, and untar it. |
| 19:36.55 | cr2 | and never do any kernel testing myself. |
| 19:37.44 | cr2 | because it defeats the purpose of OE completely (for us) |
| 19:37.51 | goxboxlive | cr2: But anyway, even though we remove the universal stuff it will behave the same since we have used the gcc compiler in OE. |
| 19:38.27 | cr2 | ? |
| 19:38.40 | cr2 | i use the same compiler from oe to compile the kernel. |
| 19:39.05 | goxboxlive | You know that rootfs isent booting if you use another gcc version than the one it where compiled with (version), right |
| 19:39.31 | cr2 | only eabi/ old abi. |
| 19:39.38 | cr2 | the rest is irrelevant. |
| 19:39.49 | goxboxlive | And, all the other stuff is also been compilimg with that gcc compiler, so i dont think that will solve the problem. |
| 19:39.51 | goxboxlive | realy? |
| 19:40.07 | cr2 | if you use eabi, it does not matter which compiler you use for the kernel. |
| 19:40.12 | cr2 | or not use. |
| 19:40.28 | goxboxlive | I have used a eabi compiler, diffrents versions, and it has refused to boot. |
| 19:40.35 | cr2 | the kernel+modules is consistent, and the userspace does not care. |
| 19:40.42 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 19:40.56 | cr2 | then the bug is somewhere else. |
| 19:41.16 | goxboxlive | But why is it freezing at "freeing memory......"? |
| 19:41.20 | cr2 | even include/linux include/asm is separated by glibc from the kernel. |
| 19:41.35 | cr2 | it's eabi vs non-eabi thing. |
| 19:41.43 | goxboxlive | That's was not what the OE-dev told me. They said what i am saying here. |
| 19:42.05 | cr2 | then it's wrong. |
| 19:42.12 | cr2 | but it does not matter. |
| 19:42.16 | goxboxlive | No, cr2, there wasent. Angstrom has used EABI as long as i have used Angstrom |
| 19:42.19 | cr2 | i'll use the same compiler. |
| 19:42.35 | cr2 | then eabi itself it a moving target. |
| 19:42.42 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 19:42.45 | BabelOued | goxboxlive: i use my gcc to ccompile kernel and binaries for universal image and it works |
| 19:42.47 | cr2 | it should not be this way. |
| 19:43.11 | goxboxlive | i agree |
| 19:43.28 | cr2 | eabi/noneabi is certainly a big change. |
| 19:43.29 | goxboxlive | BabelO: Have you used the same compiler all the time? |
| 19:43.41 | cr2 | no surprise here, that it does not boot. |
| 19:44.09 | BabelOued | same compiler yes, i use the one at codesourcery 4.1.1 |
| 19:44.35 | goxboxlive | Ok, i'll download the eabi version and trying it out |
| 19:44.45 | cr2 | goxboxlive: oe is great for building the packages consistent between devices. |
| 19:45.16 | cr2 | but it's a PITA for doing kernel developement in its current form. |
| 19:45.35 | goxboxlive | cr2: I totaly agree with you, it would be the best to have a common image. But what about the dev/input/ stuff. And the ttySx? |
| 19:45.54 | cr2 | init.d |
| 19:46.02 | cr2 | and /etc/sysconfig |
| 19:46.15 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 19:46.20 | cr2 | should read /proc/cpuinfo and export different names. |
| 19:46.31 | cr2 | that's how ipaqs are doing it, too. |
| 19:46.34 | goxboxlive | But, then we have to patch right? |
| 19:47.01 | cr2 | the "universal" machine should be more clever. |
| 19:47.09 | cr2 | really universal :) |
| 19:47.19 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 19:47.55 | cr2 | instead of hardcoding /dev/ttyS2 for example, you can check /proc/cpuinfo and get the right name. |
| 19:48.15 | goxboxlive | yes, like /etc/inint.d/bluetooth doesn it |
| 19:48.21 | cr2 | i don't see a problem with /dev/input/* |
| 19:48.44 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.56 | cr2 | but we can unify our kernels too. |
| 19:49.05 | goxboxlive | We have in our opie start up file export of keyboard and TS. The adresses isent the same for the rest of the HTC devices |
| 19:49.15 | cr2 | so BA uses the same names as universal and so on. |
| 19:49.35 | cr2 | then something is wrong with this export. |
| 19:49.54 | cr2 | we should not do the same mistake with qtopia from the very beginning. |
| 19:50.08 | goxboxlive | we have keyboard on event3, had BA the same? |
| 19:50.42 | goxboxlive | UDEV could help us with the keybaord stuff (like TS=touchscreen0 ) |
| 19:50.44 | cr2 | BabelO: i have removed some ba-specific stuff from tsc2200-* files today. does it still work ? :) |
| 19:51.10 | BabelOued | cr2: i don't know, i ll try it now |
| 19:51.11 | cr2 | goxboxlive: do you really need such hack ? |
| 19:51.36 | goxboxlive | Is that a hack. I think it help us |
| 19:52.01 | cr2 | i thought all /dev/input/event* are read ? |
| 19:52.03 | BabelOued | i think the best way is to use this cat /proc/bus/input/devices |
| 19:52.10 | cr2 | hacks help us too :) |
| 19:52.14 | goxboxlive | like, if we change anything and the ts goes to event1 udev will notify it and make a symlink to is from touchscreen0 |
| 19:52.51 | goxboxlive | And we dont have to do anything in in example opie start file |
| 19:53.15 | goxboxlive | because TS is allready pinted to touchscreen0 |
| 19:53.29 | cr2 | goxboxlive: what if i'll create an event device per key ? |
| 19:53.47 | goxboxlive | for keyboard? |
| 19:53.56 | cr2 | yes. |
| 19:54.41 | cr2 | then you'll have event0,event1,...event70 |
| 19:54.49 | goxboxlive | well, first of all, wahy do you want to do that. And second with the udev rule we dont have to think about wiich event it is. |
| 19:54.58 | cr2 | will udev work here ? |
| 19:55.26 | goxboxlive | I dont thinlk so, i dont know much about it. I took a look at the TS rule, but it where greek |
| 19:55.30 | cr2 | we already do it, but not in such extreme form of course. |
| 19:56.27 | cr2 | we have keys on three separate devices: gpio_keys, asic3_keys and pxa27x_keyboard |
| 19:57.31 | cr2 | if you read the keyboard events only from /dev/input/event3, how do you know there was a power button pressed ? |
| 19:57.36 | goxboxlive | hmm FIC has been delayd to February |
| 19:57.53 | cr2 | i've told it 8 hours ago :) |
| 19:58.05 | goxboxlive | :-) realy, i didnt see that |
| 19:58.12 | cr2 | we have some time to make out phone work properly :D |
| 19:58.24 | goxboxlive | :-) yes |
| 19:58.27 | cr2 | and they will deliver with BT. |
| 19:58.33 | cr2 | sanity has taken over. |
| 19:58.35 | goxboxlive | i saw that |
| 20:00.30 | goxboxlive | what is this: http://www.openembedded.org/~koen/OE/gpstk_1.2.bb |
| 20:01.37 | cr2 | gps toolkit ? |
| 20:01.56 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 20:01.58 | cr2 | it's a library for gps-related math. |
| 20:02.08 | cr2 | http://gpstk.sf.net |
| 20:02.11 | goxboxlive | i c |
| 20:03.07 | cr2 | can be very useful to defeat the GL gps-related secrecy. |
| 20:03.24 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 20:03.33 | goxboxlive | seems like it wil be added in to OE |
| 20:03.39 | cr2 | The goal of the GPSTk project is to provide a open source library and suite of applications to the satellite navigation community--to free researchers to focus on research, not lower level coding. |
| 20:04.04 | cr2 | libgdal too, but i could not compile it with oe. |
| 20:06.21 | goxboxlive | i'll try |
| 20:13.03 | cr2 | gdal library can be very useful for gps apps. |
| 20:15.52 | goxboxlive | I think it is doabel to build a image with just generic as a machine |
| 20:16.45 | goxboxlive | But, it will not have any Universal stuff in it, but maybe that isent a problme |
| 20:17.57 | logan | I'm getting a VFS kernel panic in my magician phone |
| 20:19.14 | goxboxlive | cr2: gdal where successfully buildt |
| 20:19.42 | logan | I have compile 2.6.19 kernel with 2.6.20-rc4 patch and I have applied all magician patch |
| 20:20.50 | cr2 | goxboxlive: you have ipks to customize your setup. |
| 20:21.05 | cr2 | logan: it's to pH5 |
| 20:21.48 | logan | I have followed the steps of http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalKernel |
| 20:21.49 | goxboxlive | yes i do. |
| 20:22.33 | cr2 | so you only should just put a list with names and descriptions into wiki. |
| 20:23.32 | cr2 | i'm estimating the amount of "standard" qt/opia apps which i never use at 80% |
| 20:24.30 | goxboxlive | well, generic doesnt exist |
| 20:24.51 | cr2 | phone+contacts+gps. |
| 20:25.01 | cr2 | playing mp3 is just for fun. |
| 20:25.20 | cr2 | e-mail, will never use pop3. |
| 20:25.26 | cr2 | or imap, |
| 20:25.38 | cr2 | without stunnel/gpg. |
| 20:25.41 | goxboxlive | well, i have to have some fun, otherwise it would be boring. At least a web browser is needed |
| 20:26.24 | cr2 | maybe. |
| 20:26.33 | cr2 | but i never use it also on wince. |
| 20:26.45 | cr2 | the screen is simply too small. |
| 20:27.20 | cr2 | and with the scrollbars it looks like shit. |
| 20:27.33 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 20:27.39 | goxboxlive | athea |
| 20:28.34 | goxboxlive | athena will solve it |
| 20:28.34 | cr2 | :) |
| 20:28.34 | cr2 | cash$$$ |
| 20:29.05 | goxboxlive | it cant be that expensive, noone will buy it then |
| 20:29.16 | goxboxlive | 1300€ is to much |
| 20:29.57 | cr2 | how much does universal cost now ? |
| 20:31.12 | goxboxlive | it's still expensive here, but i see that some shops has stop selling it. It has reduse it price with ca |
| 20:31.32 | goxboxlive | ~change 1000 nok euro |
| 20:31.46 | goxboxlive | ~change 1000 nok to euro |
| 20:32.04 | goxboxlive | man that was clever' |
| 20:32.31 | cr2 | ~change 1000 sek to euro |
| 20:32.49 | cr2 | hmm. about the same. |
| 20:33.05 | kimuSan^ | ~change 1000 dkk to euro |
| 20:33.07 | goxboxlive | yes it has allwayd been like that. Danish kroner to |
| 20:34.32 | cr2 | kimuSan^: we need to boot on s3c24xx. |
| 20:35.01 | kimuSan^ | how far are we ? |
| 20:35.04 | cr2 | i think the omap730 kernel has some early-asm fb debugging code |
| 20:35.20 | cr2 | nowhere right now. don't understand why. |
| 20:35.33 | kimuSan^ | ahh still the early lockup ? |
| 20:35.56 | cr2 | irda debug on universal/pxa was painful. |
| 20:35.58 | cr2 | yes. |
| 20:36.03 | kimuSan^ | let me get my phone. |
| 20:36.15 | cr2 | i think irda on s324xx is not going to be better. |
| 20:36.32 | kimuSan^ | probably not. |
| 20:37.03 | kimuSan^ | have anyone btw identified if the gps hw is actually on in the trin ? |
| 20:37.14 | cr2 | i got it to work, but it did not help _that_ much, and was unreliable. |
| 20:37.24 | kimuSan^ | would love to have gps in the phone. |
| 20:37.25 | cr2 | rfr6250 i guess. |
| 20:37.56 | cr2 | which htc phone has sirf3 ? |
| 20:38.06 | cr2 | some omap-based i think. |
| 20:38.40 | kimuSan^ | sirf3 is in the p3300 and hermes? |
| 20:38.52 | cr2 | goxboxlive: i think we need an automated tool for initrd compilation. |
| 20:38.56 | kimuSan^ | IIRC |
| 20:39.06 | cr2 | kimuSan^: certainly not in hermes. |
| 20:39.21 | cr2 | hermes does not have gps (officially). |
| 20:39.32 | cr2 | but the chip is there. |
| 20:39.48 | gw280 | it's not UMTS though |
| 20:39.58 | gw280 | argh, wrong window |
| 20:40.11 | kimuSan^ | hmm which one is it the that officially has the gps besides 3300 ? |
| 20:40.26 | kimuSan^ | gw280: talking ipone are we :-) |
| 20:40.35 | gw280 | kimuSan^: yes |
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| 20:40.39 | aljen | hey =) |
| 20:41.01 | kimuSan^ | gw280: funny piece of playdough that iphone. |
| 20:41.31 | kimuSan^ | read an official statement somewhere that user supplied programs cannot be installed. |
| 20:41.47 | cr2 | gw280: tell us it's pxa272, and the rom is not locked :) we'll port linux to it then. |
| 20:42.12 | cr2 | hi aljen |
| 20:42.16 | gw280 | cr2: I reckon it's probably a freescale 74xx generation embedded CPU. I'm probably wrong though |
| 20:42.56 | cr2 | i doubt it's pxa too. would have been too nice from them. |
| 20:43.05 | goxboxlive | cr2: WHat is an automated tool for initrd? |
| 20:43.28 | cr2 | to build initrd and fill it with modules. |
| 20:43.35 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 20:43.36 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 20:44.12 | logan | pH5: I'm getting a VFS kernel panic in my magician phone |
| 20:44.45 | cr2 | goxboxlive: look at the Makefile here http://jornada820.cvs.sourceforge.net/jornada820/bootimage/ |
| 20:45.22 | logan | I have followed the steps of http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalKernel |
| 20:46.06 | cr2 | logan: but it's 3.4.1 toolchain ? |
| 20:46.27 | cr2 | goxboxlive: hmm. obsolete stuff here http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalKernel |
| 20:46.59 | cr2 | change it to codesourcery ? |
| 20:47.01 | goxboxlive | yes, i dindt know what to do about the gcc version |
| 20:47.03 | goxboxlive | yes |
| 20:47.22 | pH5 | logan: add "rootdelay=1" to the kernel cmdline in default.txt and try again. since 2.6.19 we need this to boot from mmc. |
| 20:47.28 | kimuSan^ | cr2: anything I should test? |
| 20:47.54 | aljen | hey, maybe it's stupid question, i've got some experience in linux programming and i'd like with htc hermes linux port, where should i start ? |
| 20:48.02 | cr2 | goxboxlive: step 6) should create an initrd from /dev/zero and fill it with modules. create a cab file ? |
| 20:48.43 | cr2 | aljen: the bootup needs some way to debug |
| 20:49.07 | cr2 | irda (if you can do it) or direct writes to the framebuffer ram. |
| 20:49.25 | cr2 | framebuffer is actually better. |
| 20:49.43 | cr2 | i've added the NAND and serial parameters already. |
| 20:50.02 | cr2 | the only missing part is the good gpio watch in haret. |
| 20:51.31 | aljen | cr2: any docs links or sth what is already done ? anything to start :) |
| 20:52.12 | cr2 | aljen: kernel ? toolchain ? |
| 20:52.34 | cr2 | get the toolchain and the hh.org CVS. |
| 20:52.42 | cr2 | make htchermes_defconfig |
| 20:52.51 | cr2 | should compile the kernel. |
| 20:53.18 | cr2 | arch/arm/mach-s3c2410/htchermes/* |
| 20:53.30 | aljen | hh.org handhelds.org ? |
| 20:53.34 | cr2 | are the main core file and the vsfb lcd. |
| 20:53.36 | cr2 | yes. |
| 20:53.58 | cr2 | the device hw is documented in xda-dev wiki. |
| 20:54.10 | cr2 | most devices are already supported. |
| 20:54.37 | aljen | ok thx :) |
| 20:55.19 | cr2 | accelereate ati driver is not going to be easy. but worth it. |
| 20:55.21 | cr2 | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_Linux |
| 20:55.40 | cr2 | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Hermes_HardwareOverview |
| 20:56.48 | logan | cr2: anyway I get the same kernel panic with the compiled kernel from http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~zabel/magician/ |
| 20:57.14 | aljen | mc |
| 20:57.26 | aljen | oops wrong window ;) |
| 20:59.38 | kimuSan^ | http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/ekkie_seamless_wireless_s-xgen_200701.jpg"< |
| 20:59.50 | kimuSan^ | http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/images/web/2003/ekkie_seamless_wireless_s-xgen_200701.jpg <-- crazy |
| 21:00.04 | cr2 | http://chac.le-poulpe.net/~nico/tornado/dl/patch-2006-08-15.bz2 |
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| 21:00.26 | cr2 | this omap patch has some FB boot debugging code. |
| 21:00.26 | gw280 | kimuSan^: VGA screen? |
| 21:00.56 | cr2 | widescreen ? |
| 21:00.56 | kimuSan^ | http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/index.php?action=expand,53365 <-- info here |
| 21:01.26 | cr2 | the hinge looks very fragile. |
| 21:01.40 | cr2 | i'm very careful even on the universal. |
| 21:01.52 | gw280 | 470x270 pixel screen? |
| 21:01.56 | goxboxlive | i dont get it. I downloaded the EABI version and i got this: arm-none-eabi-gcc-4.1.1 |
| 21:02.14 | cr2 | so ? |
| 21:02.33 | kimuSan^ | none-eabi seems weird for the name |
| 21:02.34 | goxboxlive | isent it none-eabi |
| 21:02.54 | cr2 | none is the "vendor" i guess. |
| 21:03.09 | BabelOued | goxboxlive: it is normal none-eabi :) |
| 21:03.28 | BabelOued | it is only to say different from arm-linux-eabi |
| 21:04.07 | cr2 | kimuSan^: 20GB ? |
| 21:04.08 | kimuSan^ | cr2: probably, but it can be confusing |
| 21:04.20 | Ralith | neat as that gadget looks, yeah, looks way too fragile |
| 21:04.49 | cr2 | the question you'll need to ask is if that ultimately helps make this device worth $1400 USD! |
| 21:04.52 | kimuSan^ | cr2: seem so. |
| 21:04.53 | cr2 | LOL |
| 21:05.15 | kimuSan^ | looks like a concept gadget though |
| 21:05.43 | cr2 | goxboxlive: hehe. pxa270 device for $1400 |
| 21:06.07 | VisN | do you read a pm? |
| 21:06.08 | kimuSan^ | well thats the crazy part |
| 21:08.52 | kimuSan^ | havent the TyTN been out for a while now? |
| 21:09.44 | cr2 | yes. |
| 21:10.34 | kimuSan^ | http://www.pocketpcthoughts.com/articles.php?action=expand,52136 <-- was just wondering what this was all about then |
| 21:11.30 | logan | pH5: I add rootdelay=1 to the cmdline in default.txt and it runs ok but when X was up nothing more happened |
| 21:11.52 | logan | the pointer are X |
| 21:12.05 | pH5 | logan: with the old gpe-image from last year? |
| 21:12.07 | logan | and black screen |
| 21:12.43 | logan | with the magician-zImage-2.6.20-rc4-20070108 |
| 21:13.57 | logan | and magician-gpe-image-20060922.tar.bz2 |
| 21:14.03 | pH5 | logan: VisN reported the same thing with the magician-gpe-image-20060922. can you try http://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~zabel/magician/Angstrom-gpe-image-test-20070110-magician.rootfs.tar.bz2 ? |
| 21:15.25 | logan | ok |
| 21:15.54 | VisN | pH5, I yet useing Angstrom-gpe-image-test-20070110-magician.rootfs.tar.bz2 ? |
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| 21:16.04 | VisN | pH5, I yet useing Angstrom-gpe-image-test-20070110-magician.rootfs.tar.bz2 |
| 21:16.15 | VisN | *using |
| 21:16.23 | cr2 | kimuSan^: i'm thinking about adding the CONFIG_EFB_DEBUG to my kernel. |
| 21:17.38 | BabelOued | cr2: your modification are ok :) no change for me |
| 21:18.06 | pH5 | VisN: I don't understand. did you try the image? |
| 21:18.13 | VisN | pH5, yes |
| 21:18.29 | VisN | pH5, sorry about bad english |
| 21:19.39 | pH5 | ok, cool. |
| 21:21.09 | kimuSan^ | cr2: sure. let me try it out if you have it compiled. EFB as in Extended Feature Blocks right ? or Extended Frame buffer |
| 21:22.17 | cr2 | don't know what it means. but it's fb debugging code. |
| 21:22.32 | cr2 | BabelOued: do you have more ba patches ? |
| 21:23.34 | BabelOued | cr2: no nothing there is another problem with ds1wm it hang after a time |
| 21:24.27 | cr2 | ok. |
| 21:24.52 | cr2 | BabelOued: what should we do with qtopia phone code ? |
| 21:24.59 | BabelOued | cr2: i try to understand how to write a proper modem driver for qtopia and integrate gnokii in place off Qphonelibrary binarie |
| 21:25.06 | cr2 | do you have write access to the xanadux repo ? |
| 21:25.42 | BabelOued | cr2: no write access to xanadux repo |
| 21:26.33 | cr2 | write to http://sourceforge.net/users/martin-s |
| 21:26.51 | cr2 | i can't add you :) |
| 21:27.46 | BabelOued | cr2: ok thanks i do it |
| 21:28.27 | BabelOued | cr2: no scrrenshot of navit application ? :) |
| 21:29.36 | cr2 | i can make if you'd like. it's really cool. but buggy on a 64bit machine. |
| 21:30.09 | cr2 | nothing for a pda though. eats too much resources. |
| 21:30.25 | cr2 | that's why i'm such zroadmap fan. |
| 21:31.15 | BabelOued | how do you work with maps ? |
| 21:31.16 | cr2 | and zroadmap is portable. it works on gtk,gtk2,qt,xp,ce. |
| 21:31.23 | cr2 | where ? |
| 21:32.11 | BabelOued | in zroadmap, you scan some paper map ? |
| 21:32.15 | cr2 | no. |
| 21:32.34 | cr2 | it's a real vector route planner. |
| 21:32.45 | cr2 | for scanned maps there is qpegps. |
| 21:33.28 | cr2 | but it needs a sane tiled format image loader. |
| 21:34.35 | cr2 | gdal, or even the oziexplorer .ozf2 map loader. |
| 21:34.40 | BabelOued | i ve some good scanner at works :) big scanner |
| 21:34.48 | cr2 | ozf2 may be even better. |
| 21:35.21 | cr2 | http://www.oziexplorer.com |
| 21:35.54 | cr2 | this format is not documented, but the linux people, hmm. you know :) |
| 21:38.18 | BabelOued | i read about a people who take is map from google earth :) nice idea for a demo |
| 21:39.03 | cr2 | yes. as a 256x256 tiled format. |
| 21:39.38 | cr2 | the algorithms are known and available. |
| 21:39.47 | BabelOued | yes :) you read the same |
| 21:39.56 | cr2 | just not on the surface, not to piss google too much. |
| 21:40.09 | cr2 | the same for yahoo, btw. |
| 21:40.34 | cr2 | the yahoo and google 60cm imagery not always overlap. |
| 21:41.04 | BabelOued | nice maps links :) there is some big town, but not mine ... and around |
| 21:41.05 | cr2 | and the yahoo data is used by openstreetmap |
| 21:41.31 | cr2 | yahoo has agreed for such imagery usage. |
| 21:42.28 | BabelOued | eh eh in france we have same imagery not so nice but for full territory ( http://www.geoportail.fr/ ) |
| 21:42.36 | cr2 | http://trac.openstreetmap.org/browser/java/src/org/openstreetmap/client/Tile.java?rev=1779 |
| 21:42.41 | cr2 | yes, i know. |
| 21:43.57 | cr2 | i wonder why do they show the data only for France. |
| 21:45.18 | BabelOued | these image are only taken by plane |
| 21:45.46 | BabelOued | but quality is poor |
| 21:46.04 | cr2 | i thought it's spot 2m ? |
| 21:46.07 | logan | ok |
| 21:46.29 | cr2 | goxboxlive: do you need the 32x32 iphone icons for qtopia ? :) |
| 21:47.13 | cr2 | hehe. he is already disappeared. |
| 21:47.13 | logan | I'm running a Amstrong-gpe with the new magician zImage |
| 21:47.59 | cr2 | http://forum.xda-developers.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=32970&d=1168464570 |
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| 21:51.24 | aljen | any ideas where i can find arm toolchain for osx ? |
| 21:53.08 | cr2 | checked the codesourcery link ? |
| 21:53.27 | cr2 | afaik it does not compile there. |
| 21:53.37 | cr2 | out of the box. |
| 21:54.18 | aljen | codesourcery.com ? |
| 21:54.28 | logan | whe I run gomunicator I get follow warning: |
| 21:54.43 | logan | can't get mixer element 'Phone' |
| 21:54.47 | Ralith | hey, I noticed something interesting on http://www.engadget.com/2005/09/02/youve-got-htc-universal-questions-weve-got-htc-universal/ just now |
| 21:55.20 | Ralith | it claims that in WM5 you can actually connect at the very least an external hdd |
| 21:55.30 | cr2 | no osx there. |
| 21:55.32 | cr2 | http://www.codesourcery.com/gnu_toolchains/arm/download.html |
| 21:55.32 | Ralith | Can you attach a hard drive to it via WM5.0�s USB on the Go support? |
| 21:55.32 | Ralith | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.32 | Ralith | Yup. |
| 21:55.32 | Ralith | " |
| 21:56.33 | cr2 | USB 2.0? |
| 21:56.33 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.33 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:56.40 | cr2 | Ralith: all propaganda. |
| 21:57.24 | Ralith | so it's BS? :P |
| 21:57.29 | cr2 | yes. |
| 21:57.36 | Ralith | damn. |
| 21:57.38 | Ralith | ah well |
| 21:57.54 | cr2 | we hope for the unpowered usb host |
| 21:58.14 | cr2 | but it may need some gpio tricks that we don't know. |
| 21:58.47 | Ralith | how much of a hardware hack would be necessary to get it the requisite +5v for powered? |
| 21:58.50 | cr2 | somebody should get a powered mini-usb hub to do some testing. |
| 21:59.43 | cr2 | i'd like go get an universal with broken LCD for some small money. |
| 21:59.57 | cr2 | then hw hacking will be more realistic. |
| 22:02.44 | cr2 | broken usb socket is also not a problem. dead battery too. |
| 22:03.53 | lucificifus | can anyone tell me what my default.txt should look like for HTC Apache? I'm getting root= errors |
| 22:04.17 | lucificifus | I have a miniSD card with a single ext2fs partition with Opie installed |
| 22:05.11 | cr2 | rootdelay=5 root=/dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 22:05.21 | cr2 | mem=64M |
| 22:05.26 | cr2 | maybe. |
| 22:05.51 | lucificifus | thanks :) I'll report back shortly :) |
| 22:06.42 | lucificifus | what is the last line i should have in the default.txt? I currently have boot2 |
| 22:06.44 | cr2 | it's the kernel command line. the rest should be obvious. |
| 22:06.48 | cr2 | bootlinux |
| 22:06.52 | lucificifus | kk :) |
| 22:07.03 | cr2 | if you use the latest have by Kevin |
| 22:07.14 | cr2 | s/have/haret/ |
| 22:08.22 | lucificifus | where can I find that one? currently I'm using gnuharet-200701061640 |
| 22:08.24 | pH5 | logan: ignore it for now. the phone volume has to be set by sending AT commands, and there is no support for that in gomunicator yet. |
| 22:09.04 | cr2 | lucificifus: then use "boot2" |
| 22:09.12 | lucificifus | ok |
| 22:09.15 | cr2 | it's not a problem. |
| 22:09.27 | lucificifus | allright :) |
| 22:10.09 | cr2 | pH5: have you ever changed the phone volume ? me not :) |
| 22:10.25 | lucificifus | doh, it wants ext3... (recompiles kernel) XD |
| 22:10.51 | cr2 | lucificifus: change /etc/fstab |
| 22:11.08 | logan | ok pH5 |
| 22:11.14 | lucificifus | right :D |
| 22:11.22 | lucificifus | thanks for saving me some time there :) |
| 22:11.59 | logan | I have a problem with battery stat |
| 22:13.03 | logan | only appears when magician phone is USB connected |
| 22:13.48 | logan | like charge |
| 22:14.07 | kimuSan^ | what is satisfying data transfer speed with UMTS? |
| 22:14.18 | logan | as charging |
| 22:14.37 | kimuSan^ | come again ? |
| 22:15.49 | maniacxs | cr2: what is small money for a universal with broken display? |
| 22:15.59 | cr2 | kimuSan^: never used UMTS:) too expensive. |
| 22:16.18 | cr2 | maniacxs: 100€ |
| 22:16.20 | maniacxs | cr2: http://cgi.ebay.de/Qtek-9000-Display-defekt-Techn-OK-MDA-Pro_W0QQitemZ300068116516QQihZ020QQcategoryZ38331QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 22:16.31 | maniacxs | cr2: ok that is really to much |
| 22:16.41 | maniacxs | it is 181EUR |
| 22:17.24 | cr2 | Arbeitsspeicher (RAM): |
| 22:17.24 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:17.33 | cr2 | maniacxs: suspicious. |
| 22:17.37 | logan | pH5: do you know if the buttons has to be detected? |
| 22:18.12 | maniacxs | cr2: oh have not seen this |
| 22:19.11 | cr2 | maniacxs: but the lcd works. it's just smashed. i had the same on blueangel ;) |
| 22:19.41 | pH5 | logan: with 2.6.20-rc4? try modprobe gpio-keys. or even better, compile it into the kernel. I made it modular in my development version and probably forgot to change this before uploading. |
| 22:20.11 | cr2 | 15 € for insured postage ? weird. |
| 22:20.36 | maniacxs | cr2: whats with this one: http://cgi.ebay.de/T-Mobile-MDA-Pro-Pocket-PC-Handy-leider-Defekt_W0QQitemZ230076215511QQihZ013QQcategoryZ38331QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 22:20.48 | maniacxs | it is broken in two pieces |
| 22:21.46 | cr2 | this one is better. |
| 22:21.49 | cr2 | aber der Flexband ist nich gerissen |
| 22:21.51 | cr2 | hahaha. |
| 22:21.54 | kimuSan^ | cr2: ok I give 10dkk/mb |
| 22:21.58 | cr2 | there is no flexband there. |
| 22:22.35 | logan | PH5: Ok I will try |
| 22:22.43 | cr2 | the LCD connection is really cool actually. |
| 22:23.02 | maniacxs | cr2: on the second image it looks like a car drove over the universal ;) |
| 22:23.25 | cr2 | lol |
| 22:23.27 | logan | which more module I have to load? |
| 22:23.45 | cr2 | maniaxs: agreed. |
| 22:25.58 | maniacxs | cr2: are you from germany? if not i can bid for the universal and send it to you. |
| 22:26.23 | logan | pH5: what other modules I have to load? |
| 22:26.24 | maniacxs | cr2: ok .. whois told me you are. |
| 22:26.43 | cr2 | i am. but i have not used e-bay since 2000. and since i'm a luddite i don't have a credit card :) |
| 22:27.13 | kimuSan^ | maniacxs: anyone can bid there. I have bought from the german ebay a couple of times now |
| 22:27.50 | cr2 | well, have fun and buy it. i hope they do not read this channel :) |
| 22:28.41 | cr2 | e-bay before 2000 was really cool. i've even bought DEC alpha there. and the people were really honest. |
| 22:28.58 | maniacxs | kimuSan^: but the seller does not have to accept if he/she writes that foreign users are not accepted |
| 22:29.12 | maniacxs | cr2: that is true |
| 22:29.14 | kimuSan^ | ahh makes sence |
| 22:29.19 | cr2 | but then they sold off and replaced solaris with ms. |
| 22:29.28 | kimuSan^ | well Im off to bed. talk to you later |
| 22:29.44 | cr2 | and woth solaris i've always surfed on e-bay over ssl, btw. |
| 22:30.04 | maniacxs | cr2: do you need it? |
| 22:30.28 | cr2 | these were the days. |
| 22:30.35 | cr2 | yes, i'll take it. |
| 22:30.55 | cr2 | for under 100€ |
| 22:31.24 | pH5 | logan: the only other module that is not loaded by default should the flash driver, but you don't want to use that just yet. |
| 22:31.50 | logan | ok |
| 22:38.47 | maniacxs | cr2: hmm ALICEnext is nice :) |
| 22:39.16 | lucificifus | hmm, problem: I installed ext2 in my kernel, changed fstab, but strangely I still am told that it wants ext3fs. posting full error in 1s |
| 22:40.12 | lucificifus | "No Filesystem could mount root, tried: ext3 msdos vfat" kernel panic etc. |
| 22:40.38 | lucificifus | should I increase my rootwait? |
| 22:40.50 | BabelOued | cr2: do you know if there is distcc system on internet to build code source ? |
| 22:42.01 | maniacxs | BabelOued: if it is for arm you can use the ipaq cluster if i am informed correctly |
| 22:42.35 | cr2 | maniacxs: yes, but they ask for money to use it ;) that's why i prefer to do calculations in Hamburg http://www.dkrz.de |
| 22:43.00 | lucificifus | any ideas on increasing rootwait? |
| 22:43.02 | cr2 | BabelOued: no idea. |
| 22:43.30 | BabelOued | cr2: we need to have a mosix system over vpn :) |
| 22:44.30 | cr2 | BabelOued: i'm quite happy with the dual opteron with 8GB RAM. |
| 22:44.51 | cr2 | as a desktop machine :) |
| 22:45.04 | BabelOued | maniacxs: it took 2 hours on my computer to build full qtopia source, i restart from scratch when i insert new source, only to ssee if all is good |
| 22:45.25 | logan | pH5: I get a device read error from battery applet |
| 22:45.50 | maniacxs | cr2: the only cluster we own is PLING http://wwwcs.uni-paderborn.de/pc2/services/systems.html really not powerfull enough. |
| 22:46.42 | BabelOued | cr2: My next purchase after i bought an ACER 22 inch LCD Display. |
| 22:46.46 | cr2 | maniacxs: This system is not available for public access. |
| 22:46.57 | maniacxs | cr2: i know |
| 22:47.08 | cr2 | BabelOued: only 22" ? :) |
| 22:47.31 | pH5 | logan: hm.. is the magician_ds1wm module loaded? this worked out of the box for me. |
| 22:47.51 | BabelOued | cr2: actually i m working on 3 displays under linux on same system, i don't count TV display !) |
| 22:48.14 | cr2 | i've bought a Samsung Syncmaster 1200NF 22" CRT. makes a really nice TV. but it's big. |
| 22:48.43 | cr2 | 2048x1536 |
| 22:49.44 | BabelOued | cr2: does it have some dead pixel ? |
| 22:49.50 | cr2 | no. |
| 22:49.58 | BabelOued | oh good :) |
| 22:49.59 | cr2 | it's CRT ! |
| 22:50.05 | cr2 | not TFT. |
| 22:50.06 | BabelOued | ah sorry |
| 22:50.17 | cr2 | i'll never buy a TFT with dead pixels. |
| 22:50.33 | cr2 | it's too annoying. |
| 22:50.55 | BabelOued | 22 inch on CRT, really big, it is really heavy :) |
| 22:52.00 | logan | pH5: when I type modprobe gpio-keys, I get the follow error: |
| 22:52.05 | cr2 | yeah. but the 5 coax lines (r+g+b+v+h) the quality is really good at 121kHz x 75Hz. |
| 22:52.19 | logan | FATAL: Module gpio_keys not found |
| 22:52.32 | BabelOued | actually i have one 14 " for linux console build a 15 " same and a 17 " for other thing and TV for mythtv |
| 22:53.08 | BabelOued | cr2: ok thaht why 2048x1536 :) lot of windows on it, really nice |
| 22:53.29 | cr2 | the difference between RGB and VGA at such rates is real. and very well visible. |
| 22:54.26 | cr2 | yes. google earth is very nice on it. |
| 22:55.45 | BabelOued | eh eh :) not run with multiple scrren because off openGL problem with my card in TWinview :( |
| 22:58.37 | BabelOued | cr2: i ve started writing modem driver for qtopia, because gui is already builtin qtopia, need onmy to implement modem full modem driver, after we can do our one caler and dialer screen :) really good |
| 23:00.48 | BabelOued | there is some blender & yafray cluster farm... why not for gcc :( |
| 23:03.12 | cr2 | BabelOued: then why do they say "no phone support" ? |
| 23:04.16 | cr2 | let's put the patches and scripts into xanadux CVS. |
| 23:08.47 | maniacxs | cr2: where does the seller get the broken devices? http://search.ebay.de/_W0QQsassZnagwa_10QQhtZ-1 |
| 23:11.56 | cr2 | maniacxs: buys them from some repair center ? |
| 23:12.19 | maniacxs | good night |
| 23:12.27 | cr2 | good night. |
| 23:17.01 | BabelOued | cr2: it is binary library to access sim, phonebook and full modem, but there is some virtual function to do this, need to make same class structure using doc and call gnokki instead, i m trying this |
| 23:18.03 | cr2 | binary library ? |
| 23:18.43 | cr2 | the combination is hardlinked to "IDA Pro" in my brain :) |
| 23:21.16 | BabelOued | cr2: yes libphone.....so provided with greenphone .... but structure off class is written into documentation.. If it does not work, i continue my little gui and add a thread to it to monitor ttySX for SMS and call, it is no very hard to do this, take only some night, for me making a kernel driver is more complex |
| 23:21.32 | logan | cr2:where I can get arm-linux-gcc-3.4.1.tar.bz2 to compile the kernel? |
| 23:25.13 | cr2 | BabelOued: where did you get it ? |
| 23:25.25 | cr2 | logan: 3.4.1 ? |
| 23:26.30 | BabelOued | logan: http://www.gtlib.gatech.edu/pub/handhelds.org/projects/toolchain/ |
| 23:28.43 | BabelOued | cr2: i didn t have this binary librarie |
| 23:30.49 | cr2 | qtopiaomadrm |
| 23:31.02 | logan | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:31.02 | cr2 | qtopiaphone |
| 23:31.06 | logan | thank u |
| 23:31.16 | cr2 | qtopiaphonemodem |
| 23:31.31 | cr2 | qtopiasecurity |
| 23:31.38 | cr2 | whatever that is. |
| 23:31.58 | cr2 | multiplexers/wavecom |
| 23:32.06 | cr2 | that's what lamikr is doing. |
| 23:32.25 | cr2 | phonevendors/ericsson |
| 23:32.48 | cr2 | that's what lkcl had on sable. |
| 23:32.53 | cr2 | phonevendors/wavecom |
| 23:32.57 | cr2 | also lamikr |
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| 23:33.20 | cr2 | callforwarding |
| 23:33.37 | BabelOued | cr2: all these class are into a binary librarie, that's what i understand |
| 23:33.41 | BabelOued | http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.2/qtopiaphonemodem.html |
| 23:33.44 | cr2 | phonenetworks |
| 23:33.54 | cr2 | phonesettings |
| 23:34.10 | cr2 | atinterface |
| 23:34.21 | cr2 | phonesim |
| 23:34.32 | cr2 | phonesim_target |
| 23:35.32 | cr2 | but it looks not really relevant for us. |
| 23:35.32 | cr2 | if we will know the api, we will write our own. |
| 23:35.33 | cr2 | it's not that we will implement DRM ;-) |
| 23:35.33 | lkcl | quequeque? wassatsawwat? |
| 23:35.34 | cr2 | lkcl: unavailable libs in qtopia. |
| 23:36.01 | cr2 | what is sxe* ? |
| 23:36.03 | lkcl | ahh, joy. |
| 23:36.17 | BabelOued | cr2: sxe is single executable |
| 23:36.31 | cr2 | lkcl: the omap730 patch has some nice fb boot debugging code. |
| 23:36.50 | BabelOued | hi lkcl , it is your come back from house party :) |
| 23:36.54 | cr2 | cross your fingers , i hope to get hermes boot soon. |
| 23:37.03 | lkcl | allo BabelOued - not quite |
| 23:37.09 | cr2 | BabelOued: do we need it ? |
| 23:37.41 | cr2 | lkcl: our openmoko friends moved the release to February, if you don't know. |
| 23:38.10 | BabelOued | cr2: i don t understand why sxe is usefulll ! , maybe save memory or write access , i don t know |
| 23:38.36 | cr2 | BabelOued: we can live without it. |
| 23:38.55 | cr2 | but is the api of the other libs i named documented ? |
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| 23:39.43 | lkcl | cr2: thanks. no surprise, things are a bit hectic for them |
| 23:40.08 | cr2 | but they will have bt. |
| 23:40.35 | lkcl | neo1973 will have bluetooth? |
| 23:40.44 | cr2 | would have been really dumb not to have it. |
| 23:40.45 | cr2 | yes. |
| 23:40.53 | lkcl | cool! |
| 23:40.56 | cr2 | over usb. |
| 23:41.02 | cr2 | not on a serial port. |
| 23:41.15 | cr2 | GL gps on a serial port. |
| 23:41.21 | lkcl | that's an interesting decision. makes sense, esp if you have the usb bus support. |
| 23:41.44 | cr2 | yes. |
| 23:41.52 | lkcl | avoids the need for those stupid gpio-extender chips and cplds |
| 23:41.55 | cr2 | but magician does the same. |
| 23:41.57 | lkcl | and it's a lot less grief to program. |
| 23:42.05 | cr2 | true. |
| 23:42.18 | lkcl | ??? then why the hell don't other devices from HTC do the same thing?? :) |
| 23:42.29 | lkcl | honestly, i dunno... |
| 23:42.46 | cr2 | because the UMTS devices use it for UMTS data. |
| 23:42.58 | lkcl | ohh |
| 23:46.44 | pH5 | .zZ |
| 23:48.55 | cr2 | BabelOued: downloading the greenphone SDK CD. |
| 23:52.52 | BabelOued | do you have the link ? |
| 23:53.39 | cr2 | ttp://www.qtopia.net/downloads/greenphone/qtopia-greenphone-sdk-4.1.7.iso |
| 23:54.22 | BabelOued | cr2: thanks, maybe better with this |
| 23:54.25 | BabelOued | thanks |
| 23:55.22 | cr2 | 607MB though :) |
| 23:55.34 | cr2 | dont try it an home ;) |
| 23:56.49 | BabelOued | there are good server 841Kb/sec :) |
| 23:58.06 | BabelOued | cr2: i have to remove some software before download finish.... :) |
| 23:59.01 | BabelOued | cr2: what do you think about this software ? http://www.gpsdrive.cc/ |
