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| 00:11.20 | rob_w | hi psokolovsky |
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| 00:13.31 | rob_w | hi WizMaui_ |
| 00:13.44 | WizMaui_ | hi |
| 00:14.04 | Kevin2 | Hi |
| 00:14.49 | Kevin2 | WizMaui_: Did you ever get a chance to see if latest haret runs on the Wizard? |
| 00:16.44 | WizMaui_ | erm...nope |
| 00:16.44 | WizMaui_ | our development on the wizard is somewhat stalled |
| 00:16.44 | WizMaui_ | but I will try to get things going on in the next days |
| 00:16.44 | Kevin2 | Well, the latest versions are at: http://www.handhelds.org/~koconnor/haret/ - I'd be curious if they run okay on your phone. |
| 00:19.12 | WizMaui_ | ok, thanks for the hint, i will try it later this day |
| 00:19.19 | WizMaui_ | it's 01 am here |
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| 00:30.15 | rob_w | ok i am off to watch GoldnEye once more ;-= |
| 00:31.49 | WizMaui_ | tv? |
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| 01:21.50 | goxboxlive | is someone awake?? |
| 01:44.58 | _scatterp | yes |
| 01:44.59 | _scatterp | me |
| 01:45.08 | _scatterp | am i any help ? |
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| 01:49.57 | goxboxlive | _scatterp: Do you know how to write a keyboard driver? |
| 01:50.16 | goxboxlive | Do you know where the cases er handled? |
| 01:51.28 | Kevin2 | Hi |
| 01:52.02 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: You mean upper case / lower case ? |
| 01:52.16 | _scatterp | no :( |
| 01:53.33 | goxboxlive | Kevin2, no, in the qtopia source there are some cases for each key.. If i want to add one more, how do i know wich case that is free? |
| 01:53.46 | goxboxlive | I'll do a pastebin and you see what i mean |
| 01:54.36 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: http://pastebin.ca/295082 |
| 01:59.50 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: I'm not familiar with qtopia, but it looks like it is mapping linux key codes (see include/linux/input.h). |
| 02:00.33 | goxboxlive | thx |
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| 02:44.54 | lkcl_ | goboxlive: as long as your 'keyboard' provides a shift key and/or a capslock key, i believe it's handled in userspace. |
| 02:45.36 | lkcl_ | kernelspace works by sending 'this key went down' and 'this key went back up' events. |
| 02:46.20 | lkcl_ | userspace then interprets those further, because the overlap of two 'down' events (e.g. a down shift followed by a down a) means different things, obviously. |
| 02:48.41 | lkcl_ | i take it you've looked at pxa27x_keyboard.c - it's pretty damn simple. the critical function is input_report_key(input_device, SCAN_CODE, up_or_down) |
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| 04:20.41 | oppiz | Kevin2: you around? |
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| 04:29.37 | DeadlyNinja | if i have a htc blue angel and want to use GPS, what product would be a good buy? |
| 04:30.41 | DeadlyNinja | according to handhelds.org bluetooth is working, but i dunno if i can just buy any bt gps reciever or if only a select few will work in linux |
| 04:43.21 | oppiz | how many gpios are there on a px270 |
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| 06:04.29 | Kevin2 | oppiz: Still here? |
| 06:14.00 | Kevin2 | Good night. |
| 06:53.01 | oppiz | NOOO! |
| 06:53.11 | oppiz | damnit |
| 06:53.34 | oppiz | Kevin2: i wrote the code into the htcapache kernel to make gpio's into /proc |
| 06:53.51 | oppiz | i just don't know the gpio of anything |
| 06:55.29 | oppiz | nore do i know how many gpios there are |
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| 07:00.08 | Kevin2 | Heh |
| 07:00.49 | Kevin2 | oppiz: See the hh.org apache site and pull the svn directory. I have a list of Apache gpios in that location. |
| 07:01.04 | oppiz | sweet |
| 07:01.17 | oppiz | i just sent a E_MAIl to the kernel list |
| 07:01.21 | oppiz | you can check it |
| 07:01.26 | oppiz | i will get the patch out sometime |
| 07:03.20 | oppiz | Kevin2: where in the svn? |
| 07:04.14 | oppiz | i got ya |
| 07:07.31 | oppiz | ah 120 of em |
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| 07:14.25 | oppiz | Kevin2: are LDD the leds? |
| 07:16.08 | Kevin2 | lcd controller |
| 07:18.22 | oppiz | are each led controlled by it's own gpio? |
| 07:23.41 | Kevin2 | No - see the file mc-list for info on the front LEDs. |
| 07:24.39 | Kevin2 | If you're looking to control the LEDs, see the files in /sys/class/led/ -- the kernel has support for led manipulation from userspace. |
| 07:24.55 | Kevin2 | Good night. |
| 07:25.10 | oppiz | night i'lle catch up with you tomorrow |
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| 10:16.31 | BabelO | hi |
| 10:17.11 | BabelO | goxboxlive: are you here ? |
| 10:18.15 | goxboxlive | hi BabalO |
| 10:18.37 | BabelO | hi goxboxlive |
| 10:18.57 | goxboxlive | hi |
| 10:19.01 | BabelO | how do you solve qtopia startup problem |
| 10:20.16 | goxboxlive | I am using a startup script, and not starting just qpe. I missed a lot of exporting. |
| 10:20.56 | goxboxlive | BabelO here is a startupscript |
| 10:20.59 | goxboxlive | http://www.qtopia.net/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=264&forum=2 |
| 10:21.40 | BabelO | ok i try this one with latest compile |
| 10:21.42 | BabelO | thanks |
| 10:22.30 | goxboxlive | BabelO: I also started with a clean one, made out of the example device |
| 10:23.20 | BabelO | goxboxlive: i m compiling greenphone platform to test before switching to device |
| 10:23.35 | BabelO | but can't compile with tslib support :( |
| 10:24.52 | goxboxlive | That's maybe why i cant get TS working then. |
| 10:25.28 | BabelO | maybe |
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| 11:00.10 | goxboxlive | BabelO: http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.2/qtopiacore-pointer.html |
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| 11:01.24 | BabelO | goxboxlive: thanks, tslib is missing on my build path :) |
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| 11:04.05 | goxboxlive | let me know how you do it when you are finished. I'm trying my self |
| 11:04.25 | BabelO | ok |
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| 11:17.45 | asylumed | cr2: hey |
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| 11:52.30 | rob_w | if i use this PREFERRED_PROVIDER_virtual/kernel = "linux-handhelds-2.6" it starts building from that linux.kernel26_anoncvs.handhelds.org_K2-6-16-hh8_.tar.gz how can i get it to use the latest 2.6.XX-hhX.bb ?? |
| 11:52.49 | rob_w | oh that was meant for #oe |
| 11:56.51 | cr2 | hi |
| 11:57.27 | BabelO | hi cr2 |
| 11:57.29 | cr2 | rob_w: why do you want to create a separate config for ba ? |
| 11:57.53 | cr2 | hi BabelO |
| 11:57.58 | rob_w | i dont |
| 11:58.13 | cr2 | 2-6-16-hh8 ? |
| 11:58.21 | cr2 | sounds very special to me. |
| 11:59.47 | rob_w | cr2, that is the preferred version from conf/distro/angstrom |
| 12:00.12 | rob_w | cr2, where did the latest ba stuff check into ? |
| 12:00.55 | goxboxlive | rob_w I guess it's like the universal. You have to build form HEAD otherwise you want get the latest changes in the kernel |
| 12:02.09 | rob_w | goxboxlive, so which string to i need as preferred kernel version ?? where did we check in all those suspend patches from asylumed ? |
| 12:04.21 | goxboxlive | As i said, what's working for me is the uncomment the DEFAULT_PREFERENCE = "-1" in linux-handhelds_cvs.bb and add the line koen wrote i the OE channel in your distro .conf file |
| 12:04.48 | rob_w | hmm ok .. |
| 12:05.59 | rob_w | goxboxlive, it is uncommented already , or should i comment it out ? |
| 12:06.17 | goxboxlive | comment it out (so it is not active) |
| 12:06.26 | rob_w | aye |
| 12:08.41 | cr2 | rob_w: what happens if you run the latest CVS kernel with the "universal" image ? |
| 12:09.24 | rob_w | never use the universal .. i am in noluck to have one |
| 12:10.02 | goxboxlive | cr2: That can not be done until we have a common .config in the kernel source |
| 12:12.13 | cr2 | goxboxlive: i have used it on ba, when you have created the first image for universal. a lot of things are broken (serial ports,etc), but it boots and the userspace is more or less ok. |
| 12:19.10 | goxboxlive | cr2: Yes i guess, but you have to replace the kernel image and the modules to let it work as it should, right? |
| 12:19.59 | goxboxlive | cr2: BabelO gave me a hint about the TS on Qtopia, it doesnt have TSLIB compiled in to it. |
| 12:20.40 | goxboxlive | And, i also managed to get BIG icons yesterday |
| 12:21.54 | goxboxlive | And i noticed that the keyboard also working without the kbdhandler.so file, the keys are placed in wrong places, but i guess that's just some minor tricking here and there. |
| 12:21.58 | cr2 | goxboxlive: the modules should be different, that's true. i guess we should merge them with zimage/haret and copy at boot. |
| 12:22.06 | cr2 | to the SD. |
| 12:22.38 | cr2 | i have told you yesterday that there is no tslib startup message on runqpe :) |
| 12:22.39 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 12:22.46 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 12:23.30 | cr2 | big icons means they are 2x stretched ? |
| 12:23.46 | goxboxlive | I have tried to configure with tslib, but i have no idea where to point to headers and libs: http://doc.trolltech.com/qtopia4.2/qtopiacore-pointer.html#available-drivers |
| 12:24.08 | cr2 | the fonts are qpfs, afaik are not scalable, so they will be strected too ? |
| 12:24.27 | cr2 | s/strected/stretched/ |
| 12:24.36 | goxboxlive | cr2: icons is at least 2x. It looks good now, both in landscape and portrait. The Icons is scaleable |
| 12:24.53 | goxboxlive | The text are looks good to |
| 12:24.54 | cr2 | export QWS_MOUSE_PROTO=Tslib:/dev/event/event0 |
| 12:25.07 | cr2 | png is not scalable. |
| 12:25.23 | goxboxlive | no png might not be, but svg is |
| 12:25.30 | cr2 | it's all interpolation. |
| 12:25.32 | cr2 | ok. |
| 12:25.44 | cr2 | but where are the svg icons ? |
| 12:25.44 | goxboxlive | cr2: Do you have the universal in fornt of you or are you at work? |
| 12:26.21 | cr2 | i'm at work, but i have the universal. |
| 12:26.43 | goxboxlive | You just have to add 2 lines to your /opt/qtopia/etc/defaultbuttons.conf |
| 12:27.15 | goxboxlive | And in the runqpe file remove entries with QWSDisplay |
| 12:27.42 | cr2 | ok, post the changes, i'll test them later. |
| 12:27.47 | goxboxlive | cr2: Add this to the end of the file: [Environment] |
| 12:27.48 | goxboxlive | QWS_DISPLAY=linuxfb:mmWidth75:mmHeight57 |
| 12:28.28 | goxboxlive | With that it will run in portrait mode. |
| 12:28.40 | goxboxlive | If you want landscape you do it like this: |
| 12:28.47 | goxboxlive | [Environment] |
| 12:29.04 | goxboxlive | QWS_DISPLAY=Transformed:linuxfb:mmWidth75:mmHeight57:Rot270 |
| 12:29.21 | cr2 | hmm. can we query the portrait/landscape at start ? |
| 12:29.38 | goxboxlive | like automatic? |
| 12:30.16 | goxboxlive | We should realy have the navigation pad working now since we dont have any TS |
| 12:31.10 | cr2 | yes. and since we know the LCD sizes for all our phones, we can create a database. |
| 12:32.19 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 12:33.27 | cr2 | 3.6" |
| 12:35.45 | cr2 | 54.864 x 73.152 ? |
| 12:36.44 | cr2 | 73 x 55 . you used 75 x 57. |
| 12:38.23 | cr2 | BA is 71.12 x 53.34 |
| 12:38.29 | cr2 | hmm. almost the same. |
| 12:39.33 | cr2 | magician 56.896 x 42.672 |
| 12:40.36 | cr2 | sable 53.8815 x 53.8815 |
| 12:42.31 | rob_w | goxboxlive, i still cant get oe to build my wished way of versioning |
| 12:43.32 | goxboxlive | rob_w: did you add the line to angstrom.conf? |
| 12:43.51 | goxboxlive | I have had the same problem, therefor my own solutions wich koen says is wrong. |
| 12:44.23 | rob_w | i added koens string to htcblueangel.conf and commented the one you said .. then it took 2.6.12 |
| 12:46.06 | goxboxlive | Ok, i have a dirty hack for you if you want it, it might work, but it is SO dirty :-) |
| 12:46.44 | goxboxlive | No, actually, dont it wouldnt work |
| 12:47.43 | goxboxlive | cr2_ I tried to export the tslib but it still failes: export QWS_MOUSE_PROTO=Tslib:/dev/input/event0 (event0 is also touchscreen0 now, udev works) |
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| 12:57.09 | rob_w | man i need to get the ba up n running ,, i going on a 15 hours flight , so i need something to work on |
| 13:05.44 | rob_w | brb i need to replug my internal card reader |
| 13:17.34 | goxboxlive | rob_w: hmm that's a long trip, where are you going? |
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| 13:27.19 | rob_w | seems it will be los angeles |
| 13:27.43 | rob_w | someon invited me to come for some days ( mainly buisness type ) |
| 13:29.18 | rob_w | i am into some umpc buisness now ;-) |
| 13:29.20 | goxboxlive | ok, wich it was me. Here the weather are grey and cold |
| 13:29.32 | goxboxlive | s/wich/wish/ |
| 13:34.27 | elysion | haha, nice botscript you've got :D |
| 14:09.05 | Hawk|- | lol |
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| 16:00.37 | goxboxlive | BabelO: Have you had any luck with tslib and Qtopia? |
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| 17:22.11 | rob_w | so guys . which tag where the last checkins ?? which kernel versions are you working on ?? |
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| 17:29.33 | BabelO | rob_w: 2.6.19-hh7 |
| 17:30.02 | rob_w | BabelO, ok .. so |
| 17:30.43 | rob_w | did you check in ba stuff there ? |
| 17:31.46 | BabelO | yes, this version have support for touchscreen,keys,led,ds1wm an soon battery |
| 17:32.17 | BabelO | rob_w: lkcl_ is working on sound and found a lot of stuff |
| 17:33.49 | rob_w | ok so i try to get htat version via oe |
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| 18:36.00 | lkcl_ | tried to compile hh.org cvs yesterday i think for BA with defconfig and it bitched about blueangel_pcmcia.c compile errors. |
| 18:36.31 | BabelO | hi lkcl_ |
| 18:38.24 | rob_w | i am still to fight to get this cvs correctly via oe |
| 18:41.30 | cr2 | lkcl_: the pcmcia is not in the defconfig |
| 18:41.39 | cr2 | afair |
| 18:41.59 | cr2 | maybe you have put it there, i don't know :) |
| 18:50.05 | cr2 | goxboxlive: the oe for universal still does not compile out of the box. |
| 18:59.12 | lkcl_ | uhn? oops - i must not be using defconfig then |
| 18:59.15 | lkcl_ | allo babel0 |
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| 19:01.05 | oppiz | hey |
| 19:01.34 | cr2 | hi oppiz |
| 19:01.58 | cr2 | lkcl_: have you managed to disable the serial output on s3c24xx ? |
| 19:03.38 | cr2 | btw, what is the SD-RO status on blueangel/sable ? do they now support it ? |
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| 19:24.52 | lkcl_ | cr2: not yet. or, at least, i _might_ have been able to - but of course i can't tell unless it succeeds... |
| 19:25.00 | rob_w | ah seems i getting to compile my kernel now ... |
| 19:25.16 | lkcl_ | cr2: i was working on it, sort-of, then psoko needed it so he took over: i haven't checked since |
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| 19:31.09 | rob_w | ok , anyway i will go on with gpe image and work the kernel from outside |
| 19:31.16 | rob_w | hi psokolovsky |
| 19:31.25 | psokolovsky | Hi! |
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| 20:46.16 | zippo | hey hey |
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| 21:02.27 | BabelO | goxboxlive touchscreen is working with qtopia now :) |
| 21:20.45 | zippo | Kevin2, you around? |
| 21:24.20 | cr2 | BabelO: what did you change ? |
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| 21:40.28 | BabelO | cr2: i get tslib from archive, compile it for arm and add |
| 21:40.31 | BabelO | extra-qtopiacore-config "-qt-mouse-tslib -plugin-mouse-tslib -L/usr/local/arm/lib -I/usr/local/arm/include" |
| 21:40.40 | BabelO | to configure line |
| 21:42.14 | cr2 | BabelO: what compiler are you using ? |
| 21:42.24 | BabelO | gcc 4.1.1 eabi |
| 21:42.44 | cr2 | ok. |
| 21:42.57 | cr2 | do you set the screen size in mm ? |
| 21:43.31 | BabelO | yes, like you say, but it is too big for me |
| 21:43.50 | cr2 | which size did you set ? |
| 21:44.13 | cr2 | 71.12 x 53.34 |
| 21:44.20 | cr2 | 53x71 ? |
| 21:44.21 | BabelO | yes |
| 21:44.26 | cr2 | ok. |
| 21:44.34 | cr2 | why is it too big ? |
| 21:44.44 | BabelO | icon are big |
| 21:47.02 | cr2 | hmm. wondering how it will look on sable. |
| 21:47.35 | BabelO | it had a small screen .... |
| 21:47.59 | cr2 | you should document the steps in a wiki somewhere. |
| 21:48.02 | cr2 | 240x240 |
| 21:49.00 | BabelO | yes, but i have removed a test in configure file to have tslib working, i have to try again with a fresh compile |
| 21:49.58 | cr2 | ok. |
| 21:50.00 | BabelO | oh, i have done a mistake :( you right mmWidth |
| 21:50.14 | BabelO | better now :) |
| 21:50.21 | cr2 | :) |
| 21:50.39 | cr2 | now, what is BA specific in your setup ? |
| 21:51.25 | BabelO | nothing for the moment, i take greenphone setup as base and change MOUSE_PROTO in qpe.sh |
| 21:52.07 | cr2 | ok. |
| 21:52.21 | cr2 | battery indicator/sound are working ? |
| 21:53.38 | BabelO | i don't know for sound. for battery i ve made a blueangel_battery.c with to class entry Main and Backup |
| 21:54.06 | BabelO | s/to/two/ |
| 21:55.44 | cr2 | ok, it 's ba. no sound. |
| 21:56.23 | BabelO | charge is working and led too. i have sent battery module to asymuled for test :) |
| 21:56.37 | BabelO | he found some bug |
| 21:57.49 | cr2 | ok. |
| 21:58.08 | cr2 | camera ? :) |
| 21:58.55 | BabelO | :) i have integrated adcm i2c module into my 2.6.19 tree. but waiting your progress :) |
| 21:59.17 | BabelO | have you some idea for universal ? |
| 22:05.02 | cr2 | adcm is not enough. the w3200 capture registers ;) |
| 22:06.04 | cr2 | the drivers are available on universal, but i don't understand how to put them in a bigger infrastructure. |
| 22:06.28 | cr2 | just hardcoding /dev/video like on the greenphone is not good. |
| 22:09.53 | BabelO | cr2: what is the file that save calibration config ? |
| 22:10.54 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:12.00 | BabelO | thanks, calibration does not work for me :( |
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| 22:18.36 | yacc | Just wondering, do the GSM functionality work under Linux? |
| 22:20.26 | awelux | what phone yacc ? |
| 22:20.50 | yacc | awelux: Any of the "usual" WinMobiles? |
| 22:22.54 | cr2 | yes. on some of them. it's just lazyness that prevents the user-friendly operation. |
| 22:23.06 | yacc | One can live with quite non-perfect details (I've been quite happy with a Linux Ipaq for some time), but no GSM/GPRS on a smartphone is somehow selfdefeating :( |
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| 22:25.32 | yacc | powersaving support? |
| 22:26.58 | cr2 | yes. |
| 22:27.49 | cr2 | you mean sw suspend/resume. |
| 22:28.39 | yacc | cpu throttling and stuff. I admit I don't know the exact hardware => I've never considered buying a WinMobile ;) |
| 22:28.56 | yacc | What do you mean by user-unfriendly? |
| 22:33.11 | cr2 | sms works over 'cu', for switching the phone mic you need to send the i2c command from shell ;) |
| 22:34.27 | yacc | Well, sms via AT commands is not really an issue for me, I've written some custom SMS sending tools some time ago. What do you mean with the phone mic? |
| 22:34.57 | awelux | ohhh. an application developer. we need these here :) |
| 22:35.41 | yacc | Well, currently I'm waiting for the FIC phone, let's see if they will be delivering by February ;) |
| 22:36.14 | _scatterp | hi can some one explain the right side led on the htc universal to me made an external battery and it start to flash red whats that mean ? |
| 22:36.22 | cr2 | the audio mixer should switch between BT mic/ builtin mic/ wired mic. |
| 22:36.29 | awelux | there are applications that let you dial a number. But apparently the generic applications don't know about details like switching on the microphone which has to be done seperately. |
| 22:36.54 | cr2 | yacc: to be honest, i'm not that excited by FIC hardware ;) |
| 22:36.55 | yacc | Oh. |
| 22:37.32 | yacc | awelux: yeah, the GSM AT commands don't deal with where your sound comes from or goes to. It seems the authors assumed you'll wire it up yourself. |
| 22:37.33 | cr2 | the wince gui does not really let you to chose the mic too. |
| 22:38.26 | cr2 | yacc: i can write the kernel part of the mixer, but somebody with the alsa usespace knowledge should give his hand on the userspace side. |
| 22:40.33 | cr2 | well, this is the core problem for the phone support. |
| 22:40.59 | cr2 | there is some alsa mixer code in gomunicator |
| 22:41.35 | cr2 | but gomunicator is a wild hack currently. |
| 22:41.55 | cr2 | there are some attempts to adapt gnokii AT code |
| 22:42.16 | cr2 | and there is some phone support in qtopia4.2 |
| 22:42.48 | yacc | cr2: I'm excited by the fact that the hardware will be "supported", and technically speaking the exact hardware specs are not yet published. ;) |
| 22:44.26 | cr2 | yeah. we have better hardware knowledge of many htc phones. |
| 22:44.56 | cr2 | and the universal is effectively hacked completely. |
| 22:45.05 | awelux | if you buy the "wrong" phone the hardware won't be supported. But fortunately HTC doesn't reinvent the wheel mall the time so when a new phone comes out most of the older drivers work with minor tweaks. |
| 22:45.30 | _scatterp | hey can some one tell me about the led on the right of the htc universal like what the diffrent color codes mean ? |
| 22:45.49 | cr2 | awelux: the switched frm pxa27x to s3c2442 now, which is a painful roadblock for us. |
| 22:46.20 | awelux | ah. yea intel delivered good documentation. |
| 22:46.26 | cr2 | our pxa27x hacking tools and experience are excellent, but we need to retool to samsung. |
| 22:47.13 | cr2 | _scatterp: in wince ? there are 2 HW leds, red and green there. |
| 22:47.26 | _scatterp | yes |
| 22:47.39 | _scatterp | what does solid orange mean |
| 22:47.42 | cr2 | red- battery dead, green - battery full |
| 22:47.45 | _scatterp | and flashing red |
| 22:48.03 | cr2 | orange=red+green, is charging ? |
| 22:48.19 | _scatterp | http://www.hackaday.com/2005/01/20/how-to-make-a-usb-battery/ |
| 22:48.24 | _scatterp | we made this thing here |
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| 22:48.34 | _scatterp | but when i plug it in i get just flashing red |
| 22:48.48 | cr2 | grounded the OTG pin ? |
| 22:48.54 | cr2 | =4 |
| 22:49.18 | _scatterp | yes |
| 22:49.29 | _scatterp | and pin 1 is bcc |
| 22:49.43 | _scatterp | *vcc |
| 22:49.49 | cr2 | ok. hmm. then don't know. read the manual :) |
| 22:50.06 | _scatterp | dont have it is there an online copy |
| 22:50.12 | _scatterp | just have the service manual here |
| 22:50.41 | cr2 | should be. |
| 22:50.53 | cr2 | i don't read wince manuals |
| 22:51.29 | _scatterp | i found a german copy but i dont read german :S |
| 22:52.00 | cr2 | post a link. |
| 22:53.22 | awelux | But at least there is a documentation of the chip registeres available from samsung. Which is a big plus opposed to ti. |
| 22:53.46 | _scatterp | http://x.msmobiles.com/portal/user_manual/t-mobile-mda-pro.pdf |
| 22:56.04 | yacc | The Hermes ones are the only UMTS ones? |
| 22:57.01 | cr2 | yacc: universal too. |
| 22:57.08 | cr2 | but it's big. |
| 22:57.41 | yacc | I'm currently carrying a 9500. Big is relative ;) |
| 22:57.42 | cr2 | red and orange blinking in turn means a video call. interesting. |
| 22:57.53 | yacc | cr2: But no phone support on these :( |
| 22:58.14 | cr2 | yacc: universal is the phone with the best linux support. |
| 22:58.31 | yacc | cr2: really? The wiki says no phone? |
| 22:59.01 | cr2 | no user-friendly phone. all others are even worse in this respect. |
| 22:59.35 | cr2 | and no UMTS of course. because i don't have a data contract. |
| 22:59.38 | awelux | nothing in there about the red led. On the magician red means that the battery is really empty and the phone can't boot. |
| 23:00.01 | cr2 | awelux: it's the same on universal and blueangel. |
| 23:00.29 | awelux | But then it's not flashing but just emitting a constant light. |
| 23:00.29 | cr2 | found only 2 occasions of LED on 224 pages. |
| 23:00.33 | cr2 | yes. |
| 23:00.42 | BabelO | on ba with wm2005 red led blink on missed call or message |
| 23:00.52 | cr2 | searching for "red" |
| 23:00.58 | awelux | did that cr2 :) |
| 23:01.02 | cr2 | ok. |
| 23:01.57 | yacc | cr2: no UMTS? UMTS is usually not different from GPRS on the AT command level. (No idea how much of the stuff is emulated in software). |
| 23:02.38 | yacc | cr2: As it happens, I do have an UMTS flatrate SIM card, well at least in Germany ;) |
| 23:06.51 | cr2 | the data goes through USB. the command and datapath are different. |
| 23:07.38 | yacc | cr2: Well, data usually goes through the same "serial" device which takes AT commands. |
| 23:07.53 | yacc | cr2: So no GPRS support either? |
| 23:09.35 | cr2 | no. |
| 23:10.13 | cr2 | data and command are separate on all HTC phones, and on moto a780 and i guess will be on FIC phones. |
| 23:10.52 | cr2 | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Serial |
| 23:16.02 | yacc | Well, the FIC phones are supposed to have 16 "virtual" serial devices, but no details yet. *whine* |
| 23:21.29 | yacc | cr2: So if I do a ATD*99# on a HTC box, I'm supposed to use a different device for pppd? |
| 23:22.19 | cr2 | yacc: it's like on the a780. |
| 23:22.25 | cr2 | yacc: yes. |
| 23:22.33 | cr2 | a780 also has 16 ports. |
| 23:23.04 | cr2 | i suspect, that such miltiplexed port is also used on the htc phones. |
| 23:23.15 | yacc | And that USB based port is not yet tested/supported on Universal handhelds? |
| 23:23.26 | cr2 | there was one report from the blueangel, where GPRS was working. |
| 23:23.58 | cr2 | the USB port support is there (as USB serial), but i don't have any data logs from. |
| 23:26.01 | yacc | you mean you have not tried it yet? |
| 23:26.46 | cr2 | yes. |
| 23:28.24 | yacc | Well, let's see what FIC comes up with. And if they don't deliver till February, I might get tempted to look for MDApro on Ebay ;) |
| 23:28.33 | yacc | btw, Simlock is probably not an issue with Linux? |
| 23:28.55 | cr2 | there should be some multiplexing IMO, because there are video calls and GPS "substream" |
| 23:29.09 | cr2 | simlock is not a problem on universal. |
| 23:29.41 | cr2 | it's not a linux issue, but the phone CPU issue. |
| 23:31.21 | cr2 | FIC and universal are two different things. i'd like to know when FIC will come up with something like universal. bt+wifi+umts+2 cams. |
| 23:31.22 | Kevin2 | Hi |
| 23:32.15 | cr2 | all with linux support. all free software, not some snake oil. |
| 23:32.18 | cr2 | hi Kevin |
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| 23:33.14 | yacc | I'd be happy enough with EGPRS and BT, but I'll that GPRS alone too. |
| 23:33.50 | Kevin2 | Hi cr2 - what's new? |
| 23:33.52 | yacc | cr2: E+ does not have EGRPS :( |
| 23:35.33 | yacc | cr2: What snake oil? |
| 23:36.40 | cr2 | AGPS. i'm really pissed of about the issue. i have a hw6915 with the same GL chipset, connected over SPI. |
| 23:37.12 | cr2 | tracing highspeed SPI in wince proved to be a complex issue. |
| 23:37.32 | yacc | cr2: Well, GPS is not an issue for me. I tend to buy cars with buildin navigation, so I don't see much use for GPS on a phone anyway. |
| 23:37.34 | cr2 | but we have some success. |
| 23:37.44 | cr2 | ok. |
| 23:38.41 | cr2 | well, then what is the advantage of FIC for you ? |
| 23:39.12 | cr2 | in universal they simple did not solder the GPS chip, but the motherboard was laid out for it. |
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| 23:39.42 | yacc | It's all supported, and it's cheap enough that I can buy it directly (that's a psychological thing, I don't give more than 300EURs for a phone.) |
| 23:40.11 | cr2 | i'm curious what they will do with BT. |
| 23:40.25 | yacc | cr2: Yeah, BT would be really really nice to have. |
| 23:40.55 | cr2 | they understand that without BT they will be pissing off a lot of people. but it was obvioulsly not in their original plans. |
| 23:41.08 | yacc | Especially, buying mobile "endpieces" for Audi and VW both is an expensive hobby. And I guess there won't be any endpieces for the FIC phone. |
| 23:41.46 | cr2 | sure. you need to create them yourself :) |
| 23:42.12 | yacc | Well, BT solves the problem. |
| 23:42.22 | cr2 | i also dislike the defacto nonupgradable firmware on the FIC phone. |
| 23:42.30 | yacc | defacto? |
| 23:43.03 | cr2 | they say "requires proprietary TI software and you will not get it" |
| 23:43.38 | cr2 | also something about "firmware install over phone jack". that's a real SNAFU. |
| 23:44.03 | yacc | cr2: Where did you get that details from? |
| 23:44.14 | Kevin2 | I've uploaded a new version of haret -- http://www.handhelds.org/~koconnor/haret/haret-20061229.exe -- this version does a good job of monitoring all gpio actions during an FFUART trace. I think we may have all the tools now to decipher the phone protocol. |
| 23:44.28 | cr2 | when i can replace the GSM fw in linux (!) on universal. |
| 23:44.48 | cr2 | yacc: i'm on the openmoko ml. read the archives. |
| 23:45.26 | cr2 | Kevin2: i'll check it on jornada820 :) |
| 23:45.27 | yacc | cr2: Well, they still didn't commit on the exact hw specs ;) |
| 23:47.57 | cr2 | it's all what the project manager said. |
| 23:48.10 | yacc | cr2: yes, but the MDApro I cannot yet use as a normal phone, ... |
| 23:48.50 | yacc | cr2: I'm currently waiting. Technically speaking, I fear, I'll have to pay my income taxes this year earlier. (They moved the deadline 3 months or so this year :( ) |
| 23:49.14 | cr2 | we'll just port FIC software when it'll come out. |
| 23:49.23 | cr2 | ok. |
| 23:52.06 | lkcl_ | cr2: i'm up for that. |
| 23:52.18 | Kevin2 | Anyone know of a CDMA based linux phone on the market? I'm looking for something that might help decode these weird strings sent to and from the modem chip. |
| 23:55.43 | cr2 | Kevin2: the weird strings are mostly responses on your phone ? |
| 23:56.14 | cr2 | maybe motorola has something like that ? but i doubt it. |
| 23:56.52 | cr2 | the interesting thing is that there is 0x4 CDMA blueangel, and it is reported to work with gomunicator (!) |
| 23:57.22 | cr2 | which sends the usual AT strings, packed into this mux proto. |
| 23:57.35 | Kevin2 | See http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/ApachePhoneTrace -- during phone init, these 268 byte strings are sent to/from the phone. |
| 23:57.38 | cr2 | will not help you, probably. |
| 23:58.04 | cr2 | AT+HTC_AUD_PATH=2 |
| 23:58.06 | cr2 | hm. |