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| 05:23.31 | oppiz | hey anyone around? |
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| 06:24.26 | oppiz | goxboxlive? |
| 06:35.51 | goxboxlive | good morning oppiz |
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| 16:26.28 | asylumed | . |
| 16:36.10 | lkcl_ | . to you too asylumed |
| 16:37.01 | asylumed | internet connection's gprs today... it's was a typo test "." :) |
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| 17:03.35 | kattmat | linux on artemis? |
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| 17:08.23 | rob_w | kattmat show me a pic of th artemis , please |
| 17:08.33 | kattmat | coming up |
| 17:08.42 | kattmat | http://estet.se/bilder/p3300/ |
| 17:08.44 | kattmat | HTC P3300 |
| 17:09.26 | rob_w | looks quite new |
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| 17:10.23 | kattmat | yes. released october or september or something. |
| 17:11.18 | kattmat | thinking about playing around with getting the linux kernel to boot on it myself. |
| 17:11.23 | kattmat | what to expect? |
| 17:11.31 | kattmat | and what's the dangers? |
| 17:11.42 | kattmat | data will be lost, that's expected, what else? |
| 17:13.42 | rob_w | danger is always big |
| 17:13.46 | rob_w | :-) |
| 17:14.21 | kattmat | big as in "oops, i flashed my winOS from the machine and no, my warranty won't cover that" ;) |
| 17:14.52 | kattmat | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Artemis nothing about linux here what so ever :/ |
| 17:18.10 | rob_w | kattmat you can be first to start .. feel free to get something at http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HTC_2dPhones |
| 17:18.38 | rob_w | there should be quite some stuff usable from the other omap devices |
| 17:18.40 | kattmat | would be fun to play around a little. hm. |
| 17:18.51 | kattmat | any other device running the OMAP850? |
| 17:19.38 | rob_w | htcprophet, htctornado, htcwizard |
| 17:19.52 | kattmat | thanks. |
| 17:21.03 | kattmat | hm |
| 17:21.30 | kattmat | i need to get gcc going for arm |
| 17:21.38 | rob_w | i wonder as htc is now also selling directly to retail, if they ever recognise things like this ,, or at least work you their hardware pages |
| 17:21.50 | rob_w | oh yes you do |
| 17:22.16 | rob_w | ~what is oe |
| 17:22.22 | apt | rob_w: I think you lost me on that one |
| 17:23.41 | rob_w | kattmat http://www.openembedded.org/ is place to watch for such |
| 17:24.06 | kattmat | dammit, don't tell me i need a miniSD reader? i only have a normal SD reader and i've lost my god damned big-to-mini-card... |
| 17:36.37 | ellisway | hmm |
| 17:36.50 | rob_w | calm down kattmat , you probably cant use sd yet ;-) |
| 17:37.04 | kattmat | what to boot it from? |
| 17:37.14 | ellisway | u could always use somthing like wm5storage to gain basic access to the sd card while its in your handset |
| 17:38.23 | ellisway | doesn`t help with regards to formattiong the card though |
| 17:39.29 | rob_w | how is status of the other htc gps recievers ? is this part known yet ? |
| 18:06.39 | lkcl_ | kattmat: http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Typhoon |
| 18:07.02 | lkcl_ | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=HTC_Tornado |
| 18:08.10 | lkcl_ | oh - guys: asylumed has found a bug in asic3 resume: he reckons, and i agree with him, that the suspend_cdex value which is stored in the suspend function should not be restored into the asic3 interrupt registers (!) |
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| 18:15.30 | rob_w | lkcl_, cool patch .. |
| 18:15.51 | lkcl_ | asylumed found it |
| 18:16.06 | rob_w | i noticed |
| 18:16.11 | lkcl_ | he look BA resume cdex asic3 |
| 18:16.20 | lkcl_ | dont work found bug |
| 18:16.35 | rob_w | so is the hh.org cvs updtodate in terms of ba ? |
| 18:16.45 | lkcl_ | sort of. yeh |
| 18:16.48 | rob_w | i need to get some kick in again |
| 18:16.53 | lkcl_ | xxxxin sound. |
| 18:17.15 | rob_w | he ? |
| 18:17.30 | lkcl_ | still not got init seq for uda1380 |
| 18:17.36 | lkcl_ | dont have reset gpio |
| 18:18.20 | lkcl_ | fascinating but really irriutating issue. |
| 18:18.34 | rob_w | i see , but the suspend went on a bit , right ? |
| 18:18.53 | rob_w | even before the last thing from asylumed ? |
| 18:19.43 | lkcl_ | well that affects literalkly all the asic3-based devices - htc, ipaqs - the lot. |
| 18:20.22 | rob_w | the last , right |
| 18:20.34 | rob_w | hmm oe spits on me today in terms of ba |
| 18:21.14 | lkcl_ | hm my ba patches ever get integrated into oe? |
| 18:21.34 | lkcl_ | rob baby bbl |
| 18:22.03 | rob_w | go |
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| 19:14.46 | kattmat | http://wiki.xda-developers.com/index.php?pagename=Artemis_Resets |
| 19:14.51 | kattmat | will this reset my device to default? |
| 19:24.54 | kattmat | i need to know how to get into the artemis boot loader without resetting the phone |
| 19:25.10 | oppiz | Kevin2: hey you around? |
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| 19:33.34 | kattmat | anyone got any ideas for me? |
| 19:33.57 | goxboxlive | ideas of what? |
| 19:34.08 | kattmat | how to get my artemis into the bootloader |
| 19:34.16 | kattmat | without resetting it, or getting stuck there |
| 19:34.31 | goxboxlive | no sorry |
| 19:34.40 | goxboxlive | Have you checked xda forum? |
| 19:34.49 | ellisway | goxboxlive whats te newest root image for te universals ? |
| 19:34.55 | kattmat | yeah. only people saying "help i'm stuck in the bootloader" :) |
| 19:35.00 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 19:35.16 | goxboxlive | ellisway: What do you mean? Linux kernel ? |
| 19:35.27 | ellisway | kernel image and rootfs |
| 19:35.58 | ellisway | i dont have a local cross compile enviroment |
| 19:36.20 | goxboxlive | the kernel is now 2.6.19 tag hh7. the opie/gpe image has no release since the port isent ready yet |
| 19:36.53 | goxboxlive | I have build some a couple today, but they are just raw images. I can mail them to you if you want. |
| 19:37.18 | ellisway | k so newest images are te 2.6.16 ones on the wiki ten would that be correct |
| 19:38.22 | goxboxlive | Well, they are old images i made when we moved over to the .16 kernel. The Images i have today is bether. I shall remove the .16 when we have sound working. |
| 19:38.34 | ellisway | k |
| 19:38.36 | goxboxlive | I can upload the ones i have build today |
| 19:38.43 | goxboxlive | hold on |
| 19:38.55 | ellisway | have u looked at the qtopia mixer src ? |
| 19:39.57 | goxboxlive | No, i havent got Qtopie working yet. It wouldnt start. It is compiling, but refuse to start. |
| 19:40.04 | ellisway | hmm |
| 19:40.58 | ellisway | wat happens when u try to start it |
| 19:41.59 | goxboxlive | hold on |
| 19:42.56 | goxboxlive | ellisway: This is happening: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=264&forum=2 |
| 19:44.03 | kattmat | ok. i found out how to get into the bootloader of my artemis, but there's many people who's got stuck in the bootloader, not being able to get back to windows again. is this still a problem? |
| 19:45.34 | ellisway | ok so according to the strace u dont have a copyu of echo and chvt |
| 19:45.48 | goxboxlive | kattmat: I have no idea, i dont have a artemis. I have had the same problem with HTC Universal, and it seem like the only way to solve it was to reflash. |
| 19:46.08 | goxboxlive | ellisway: That's not right, look in line 102 |
| 19:46.19 | kattmat | goxboxlive: ouch. doesn't sound that very nice. but i would like to try out to compile linux for this. hmm. |
| 19:47.12 | goxboxlive | kattmat: But why do you want to go to booloader for running Linux? |
| 19:47.44 | ellisway | hmm |
| 19:47.45 | kattmat | goxboxlive: how else would i go about to get a linux kernel started? (or my own assembly code, to start with) ? |
| 19:47.50 | goxboxlive | ellisway: It starts to look after echo and chvt in /opts/qtopia/bin and then sbin bin |
| 19:48.03 | goxboxlive | kattmat: Use Haret |
| 19:48.34 | kattmat | goxboxlive: oh, so you can boot it from the windows mobile OS. cool. |
| 19:48.35 | goxboxlive | kattmat: You dont haveto delete your wince installation for running Linux, you can just run oout for your SD card |
| 19:48.36 | kattmat | thanks |
| 19:49.01 | goxboxlive | kattmat: I'll give you howto link, hold on. |
| 19:49.08 | kattmat | thanks |
| 19:49.57 | ellisway | goxboxlive is your development enviroment 32 or 64 bit ? |
| 19:50.34 | goxboxlive | kattmat: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalHowtoInstallLinux This is for the Universal, but i guess it is allmost same for your device. |
| 19:50.40 | goxboxlive | ellisway: 32 |
| 19:51.26 | kattmat | goxboxlive: cheers, man. is there any special version of gcc and bintools that is preferred to be used when you cross-compile the kernel? |
| 19:51.31 | goxboxlive | ellisway: I havealso tried to compile for the pxa27x device but with same result. |
| 19:52.11 | goxboxlive | kattmat: I am using gcc-4.1.1. But i know alot of people are using gcc-3.4.1 |
| 19:52.36 | ellisway | ye i see where u said that on teh qtopia forum |
| 19:52.39 | kattmat | goxboxlive: ok. i hate compiling gcc. takes so fucking long :) had to do it when i was playing around with x86 OS-dev when i had a ppc machine. |
| 19:52.49 | goxboxlive | kattmat: But just remember, the files added in the howto is for running on HTC Universal |
| 19:53.03 | kattmat | goxboxlive: i'll see what they'll do to the artemis. |
| 19:53.50 | goxboxlive | kattmat: Who has made a port for the artemis? |
| 19:54.04 | kattmat | goxboxlive: no one afaik |
| 19:54.11 | ellisway | wish my knowledge of hardware and coding was better my knowledge doesn`t go very deep will have to get a couple of my m8`s to get universals |
| 19:54.24 | ellisway | they both been coding for 10 years plus |
| 19:55.18 | ellisway | although they both have devices that sould give them a good start 1 has my old motorola a760 and the other has a xda 2 |
| 19:59.02 | goxboxlive | ellisway: I have uploaded new images, i buildt them today. But, use the aplied kernel image. http://gnulinux.biz/files/Universal/tmp/Angstrom/ |
| 20:00.09 | goxboxlive | Well, there are allways helped needed here, so they are welcome to help out. |
| 20:01.20 | ellisway | 1 of them will definantly elp out once he gets his new dsl line sorted out |
| 20:03.03 | goxboxlive | good |
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| 20:07.56 | ellisway | hmm goboxlive do you know what ver of chvt u have |
| 20:08.22 | ellisway | is it from qtopia or is it from your base system |
| 20:08.30 | goxboxlive | ellisway: The one included in busybox 1.2.1 |
| 20:10.46 | kattmat | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/HTC_2dPhones annoys me no one has worked on artemis yet |
| 20:13.20 | goxboxlive | kattmat: The artemis has a OMAP 850 cpu. So far there is known to little about the it. |
| 20:13.40 | kattmat | goxboxlive: annoys me. :) |
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| 20:14.17 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 20:14.34 | ellisway | only ting my m8 said is it sounds like chvt is being called with a bad argument or it could be tat the ver of chvt in busybox has a issue |
| 20:14.50 | ellisway | but wheres he`s not online atm he cant really do much |
| 20:18.13 | goxboxlive | ellisway: AFAIK, there is nothing with chtv. When chtv is called it changes terminal as it should, but if you run it with strace -ff you will see that there is something about some libraries. Someone told me that he pxa27x is tooooo generic, so i guess we have to make one wich are more HTC Universal spesific. |
| 20:22.08 | ellisway | i really need to sit down when i have more time and am at my m8s place |
| 20:22.47 | ellisway | cant get their this evening otherwise i would get him online |
| 20:23.00 | ellisway | and see if he could figure somthing out |
| 20:27.27 | ellisway | i hate being on callout |
| 20:27.31 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 20:27.32 | ellisway | bbl |
| 20:27.52 | ellisway | gotta drive to 1 of the datacentres and reboot a server for som1 |
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| 21:59.12 | Kevin2 | Hi |
| 21:59.42 | Kevin2 | oppiz - I'm here now. |
| 22:14.15 | psokolovsky_ | Hi Kevin2! |
| 22:14.51 | psokolovsky_ | I wonder, how hard it would be add generic bootloading facility to haret? i.e. load some binary at specified address and run? |
| 22:16.52 | Kevin2 | psokolovsky_: Doesn't sound too hard - isn't that what the "boot" stuff does now? |
| 22:17.45 | psokolovsky_ | Kevin2, yes, just would need to be able to specify the address to load at, plus one to start at. |
| 22:18.21 | psokolovsky_ | and maybe another command, to potentially be able to set up different environment than for kernel |
| 22:19.19 | Kevin2 | Well, one can kinda setup the address by modifying the memphysaddr parameter (it's only purpose is to specify where to put tags/kernel). |
| 22:19.41 | Kevin2 | If you're not loading a kernel, then of course, you'd probably not want to setup the tags. |
| 22:19.58 | psokolovsky_ | Kevin2, ok, so, just in case, I'd appreciate if you could add that to your list ;-) |
| 22:20.03 | Kevin2 | psokolovsky_: Any particular reason you want this feature? |
| 22:20.47 | psokolovsky_ | The usecase is simple: to start playing with bootloaders, to figure out general solution for Linux-out-of-boot for all handheld models ;-). |
| 22:20.59 | psokolovsky_ | like bootldr, u-boot, etc. |
| 22:21.40 | Kevin2 | Okay - that is kinda the reason we added the "resumeintoboot" command. (Though, I think the command is not working correctly.) |
| 22:21.58 | psokolovsky_ | ok |
| 22:24.36 | psokolovsky_ | Kevin2, and I probabky after put up all 0.4.x snapshots for download - we need to bootstrap testing/qa somehow, so if we(me) can't find time to sit and try diff. versions, let's let people do that ;-) |
| 22:25.38 | Kevin2 | psokolovsky_: I'd rather have people just test the latest. |
| 22:25.52 | psokolovsky_ | Kevin2, and if it doesn't work? |
| 22:26.46 | Kevin2 | Send me the logs I'll work on fixing it. :-) |
| 22:27.12 | Kevin2 | There were known bugs in the earlier versions - I'd hate to have someone use time just to find those known bugs again. |
| 22:27.40 | Kevin2 | I'm not aware of any bugs in 0.4.5 -- so testing can start there. |
| 22:28.18 | psokolovsky_ | Kevin2, well, assumed usage would be: use the latest, if it doesn't work, backtrack, find last working version, report that. |
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| 22:34.26 | Kevin2 | psokolovsky_: The old linux booting code never worked reliably for me. New boot code prior to 0.4.5 had a notable bug in it. So, I'd say try 0.4.5 - if that doesn't work, try 0.3.6 - and send me the full log of the event. Trying 0.4.[0-4] wont add useful info for me. |
| 22:35.40 | psokolovsky_ | Kevin2, ok ;-) byt log you mean earlybootlog.txt or how it is called, right? |
| 22:36.21 | Kevin2 | BTW, I think the boot code is going to be much more stable. The current wiki pages have descriptions like -- try booting right after startup -- or retry the boot several times. None of that should be necessary. I think the new code will either boot reliably or not boot at all. |
| 22:36.40 | Kevin2 | psokolovsky_: Yes, a file named "earlyharetlog.txt" in the same directory as haret.exe. |
| 22:36.50 | psokolovsky_ | ok |
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| 23:58.00 | Kevin2 | psokolovsky_: Are you still around? |
| 23:58.32 | Kevin2 | Something weird is happening with battery_class_register -- if I call it my kernel wont boot. Do you know of any steps that I need to do before calling it? |
| 23:58.33 | psokolovsky_ | Kevin2, yep |