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| 08:20.49 | oppiz | hey |
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| 10:54.54 | goxboxlive | good morning |
| 11:01.19 | goxboxlive | cr2: Added a new bug to http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalBugs?action=show |
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| 12:05.06 | BabelO | hi |
| 12:05.39 | BabelO | goxboxlive :any qtopia news? |
| 12:05.51 | goxboxlive | hi BabelO |
| 12:06.38 | goxboxlive | No, no news. I have both tried the pxa27x and a self home made htcuniversal (just minor changes differ to pxa27x) but i have the same error |
| 12:07.07 | goxboxlive | It seems like it doesnt care whatever i set in the configure file. |
| 12:07.27 | goxboxlive | What about you, have you been able to start it |
| 12:07.56 | BabelO | do you have tried -edition platform ? |
| 12:08.01 | goxboxlive | BabelO: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=264&forum=2 |
| 12:08.30 | goxboxlive | No i havent, but AFAIK see the only edition available is "phone" |
| 12:10.16 | BabelO | goxboxlive : no more, i can only take ba on hollyday, no laptop ;( i try again after chrismas |
| 12:11.22 | goxboxlive | ok, i tried now with "-edition platform" but it failes. The only available one is "phone" it says |
| 12:21.15 | BabelO | ;( i m waiting thursday to test it again, and maybe have opieII before tjis ;) |
| 12:24.12 | goxboxlive | tjis? |
| 12:27.27 | BabelO | this |
| 12:29.27 | BabelO | good afternoon |
| 13:23.35 | cr2 | hi |
| 13:25.22 | goxboxlive | G'day sir |
| 13:28.13 | goxboxlive | cr2: Have seen the HTC ATHENA . If the specs are as mention then it looks really good |
| 13:31.24 | cr2 | the specs are contradictory. |
| 13:31.51 | cr2 | http://www.openmoko.com/press/index.html |
| 13:32.06 | cr2 | this phone app looks as gominicator. |
| 13:32.54 | cr2 | where do we put the int/ext/bt mic switching ? and the speaker/handsfee/headset/bt switch. |
| 13:33.17 | goxboxlive | Yes it's quite similar |
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| 13:33.58 | goxboxlive | Do you mean in gomunicator or what? |
| 13:33.59 | cr2 | i dislike both wince and this design. a780 is also not good for me. |
| 13:34.12 | cr2 | in a new qtopia app |
| 13:35.02 | goxboxlive | Actually, for noe i dont care abut the look. All i want is a working phone so i can use it. If it was up to me i would have been happy with a ncursor wone :-) |
| 13:36.13 | cr2 | i think we should deal with qtopia in the following way: push lpotter to produce a working greenphone config, and then start from it. |
| 13:36.19 | cr2 | working setup ? |
| 13:36.42 | cr2 | i think we can create a minimal hardcoded config. |
| 13:36.53 | cr2 | so the phone works. |
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| 13:37.34 | cr2 | i'm uncertain about the purpose of AT@AUDIOSET stuff. |
| 13:37.44 | cr2 | there is also AT@BTFIR |
| 13:38.25 | cr2 | some filter coefficients for BT i guess, which are uploaded to the MSM BB for some reason. |
| 13:38.54 | cr2 | i have printed out and looked at the decoded ak4641 i2c wince commands/bits |
| 13:39.02 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 13:39.31 | cr2 | everything phone-related goes through AUX_in/MONO_out |
| 13:41.03 | cr2 | so the phone only needs to route the internal mic to mono out, so you can talk. |
| 13:41.29 | cr2 | this is the minimal phone config. |
| 13:41.58 | cr2 | imho, you can do it with i2ctools, if you'd like to test it. |
| 13:42.39 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 13:43.37 | cr2 | i have updated the hh.org wiki for the CAM status. |
| 13:44.09 | cr2 | the drivers are actually there, we only need to fit them in the overall infrastructure. |
| 13:51.08 | cr2 | 42312 2006-12-16 16:04 libgcc_s.so.1 |
| 14:07.22 | goxboxlive | camera, that's good news. Lets make |
| 14:09.01 | goxboxlive | Hmm, soon the wiki goes all green ...jiiiiiiiihaaaaaaaaa |
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| 15:09.55 | oppiz | heu |
| 15:16.41 | goxboxlive | hi |
| 15:16.45 | oppiz | hey |
| 15:17.53 | goxboxlive | oppiz talk to kevin2. He is the one working on it |
| 15:18.38 | oppiz | sweet, have we gotten to the "i can make a phone call yet" stage? |
| 15:19.30 | goxboxlive | i dont know the staus of apache. Kevin2 is useally here at late evenings and nights. I guess he is located in the US. |
| 15:19.49 | oppiz | k k i will extend my services to him |
| 15:20.02 | goxboxlive | good |
| 15:20.30 | oppiz | i built a system for it, /me is a developer of CLFS, and LFS, BLFS and such |
| 15:20.50 | oppiz | http://trac.cross-lfs.org/wiki/read |
| 15:20.56 | oppiz | we have a ARM book |
| 15:20.57 | oppiz | :-D |
| 15:21.01 | oppiz | well i'm off till later |
| 15:21.09 | goxboxlive | c u |
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| 15:30.41 | Kevin2 | Hi |
| 15:31.03 | goxboxlive | hi Kevin2. |
| 15:31.20 | goxboxlive | oppiz: Kevin2 is here now. |
| 15:32.16 | Kevin2 | Heh, timing, timing, timing. :-) |
| 15:32.18 | goxboxlive | Kevin2: Is your usbnet resuming after suspend? |
| 15:32.40 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: No, but if I unplug/plug in, I can bring it back up. |
| 15:32.59 | goxboxlive | Our is not resuming. I have to replug and start the usb connection all over after resume |
| 15:33.16 | goxboxlive | But you have to start a new session right? |
| 15:34.05 | goxboxlive | I know that the hx4700 is resuming. psokolovsky told me |
| 15:34.08 | Kevin2 | Not sure what you mean. If I unplug usb and then plug it back in, rerun ifconfig usb0 192.168.0.200 on my host, then the sessions resume. |
| 15:35.30 | goxboxlive | When i resume (with an active ssh connection form my laptop) the session freezes and i have to replug the usb cable and start a new ssh session from my laptop. |
| 15:36.06 | goxboxlive | When i use the wlan connection the ssh sessions is resuming. |
| 15:36.41 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: That is just a timing then - if you unplug/plug back in and give the same ip fast enough, the ssh session should resume. |
| 15:37.31 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 15:39.11 | goxboxlive | Do you have freqd working? Our is speeding my universal up to 624MHz so i want use it, since uni is only 520MHz. I am afraid of frying it |
| 15:42.11 | Kevin2 | Yes. |
| 15:42.39 | Kevin2 | Make sure you compile in the "conservative" governor. Then run the following at startup: |
| 15:42.55 | Kevin2 | echo 'conservative' > /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor |
| 15:43.05 | goxboxlive | so it is overclocking your cpu as it does on the Universal? |
| 15:43.19 | goxboxlive | ok i will try |
| 15:44.48 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: Yes - for the initial boot and if I run anything cpu intensive. But when idling it goes down to 100Mhz. |
| 15:50.32 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: If you really want to be sure not to overclock, one can set the governor to "userspace" in the linux config, and then set the max frequency in /sys/ before enabling the conservative governor. |
| 15:51.02 | goxboxlive | ok, i will try that |
| 16:09.32 | elysion | is it possible to connect an external usb hard-drive to hermes? |
| 16:10.07 | elysion | does the usb on-the-go require much hardware support? |
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| 16:15.36 | Kevin2 | elysion: Does hermes support USB on-th-go? |
| 16:16.00 | elysion | Kevin2: not sure |
| 16:16.07 | elysion | that's why i asked ;) |
| 16:16.31 | elysion | i don't remember seeing it in the specs :-/ |
| 16:20.31 | cr2 | elysion: i doubt that the usb host can supply .5A |
| 16:20.51 | elysion | cr2: does it need to? |
| 16:21.06 | elysion | if i just connect a device that doesn't need that much current |
| 16:21.08 | cr2 | elysion: to be called the usb host, yes. |
| 16:21.46 | cr2 | you can connect the cable, and measure the voltage. if there is any present ;) |
| 16:21.55 | elysion | cr2: but to function so that i could transfer stuff between it and some other device like mp3-player or a camera? |
| 16:22.14 | goxboxlive | ohh man when it run on 103MHz the screen is chaking |
| 16:22.33 | cr2 | you can connect it to the self-powered mini-USB hub, but i have not seen them available. |
| 16:23.22 | cr2 | goxboxlive: increase the refresh rate ? i think it should be done by the kernel ? |
| 16:23.49 | cr2 | hmm. vga needs _some_ memory bandwidth :) |
| 16:24.07 | goxboxlive | refresh rate on universal? How? |
| 16:24.14 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 16:24.37 | cr2 | i guess you have hit the limits. |
| 16:24.53 | goxboxlive | Kebin helped me howto controll the cpu to not run over 520MHz, and that is working now, |
| 16:25.17 | cr2 | hermes/ba/hima have ATI video chip, they should not have such problems ;) |
| 16:25.46 | goxboxlive | But right, but why is it working on Apache? |
| 16:26.11 | cr2 | hehe. pH5 is not afraid to run his magician at 624MHz, though it is rated 416 |
| 16:26.14 | goxboxlive | What is the lowest speed on WInce? |
| 16:26.18 | cr2 | apache does not have VGA. |
| 16:26.43 | goxboxlive | ahh right |
| 16:26.53 | goxboxlive | Maybe i should set a lower limit too? |
| 16:27.01 | cr2 | it's 1/4 of pixels. |
| 16:27.03 | goxboxlive | 200MHz ?? |
| 16:27.20 | cr2 | maybe. |
| 16:27.44 | cr2 | the only thing i'm worried about on universal is the LCCR4 support. |
| 16:27.58 | goxboxlive | i dont know what that is |
| 16:28.34 | cr2 | refresh doubling register. it is not supported by pxafb, but is used on universal. |
| 16:29.40 | goxboxlive | ok, well 200MHz didnt make it bether |
| 16:30.27 | goxboxlive | 300 MHz no |
| 16:31.20 | goxboxlive | No, not 500MHz either. There have to be something else then |
| 16:54.23 | Kevin2 | goxboxlive: pxafb LCD clock is a derivative of the cpu clock. So, maybe you have the wrong lcd settings? |
| 16:56.14 | goxboxlive | Yes, there is something with the lcd settings. Because the lcd is flickering (very little, but i can se it on the edges of the icons) after resume. |
| 16:57.58 | cr2 | goxboxlive: can you dump the lccr4 after resume ? |
| 16:58.14 | goxboxlive | yes, i can. But how |
| 16:59.11 | goxboxlive | is it just dump lccr4? |
| 17:00.13 | cr2 | no :) |
| 17:00.23 | cr2 | do you have devmem2 ? |
| 17:00.39 | goxboxlive | on universal? |
| 17:01.30 | cr2 | yes. |
| 17:01.35 | cr2 | 0x44000010 |
| 17:01.49 | cr2 | this is the address. |
| 17:01.54 | goxboxlive | no i dont have devmem2 |
| 17:02.19 | cr2 | hmm. dd from /dev/mem ? |
| 17:02.25 | goxboxlive | i am building it now |
| 17:03.31 | cr2 | dd if=/dev/mem bs=4 count=1 skip=$((0x44000010/4)) |
| 17:03.37 | cr2 | something like that. |
| 17:03.45 | cr2 | sorry. |
| 17:03.54 | cr2 | | od -t x1 |
| 17:03.59 | cr2 | or course :) |
| 17:04.09 | cr2 | hmm. |
| 17:04.17 | cr2 | dd if=/dev/mem bs=4 count=1 skip=$((0x44000010/4)) | od -t x4 |
| 17:04.46 | goxboxlive | cr2: should i run devmem2 before and after suspend/resume? |
| 17:04.53 | cr2 | yes. |
| 17:05.03 | cr2 | dump the 0x44000010 address. |
| 17:05.15 | goxboxlive | before resume: |
| 17:05.17 | goxboxlive | root@htcuniversal:~$ devmem2 0x44000010 |
| 17:05.17 | goxboxlive | /dev/mem opened. |
| 17:05.17 | goxboxlive | Memory mapped at address 0x4001c000. |
| 17:05.17 | goxboxlive | Value at address 0x44000010 (0x4001c010): 0x80000000 |
| 17:05.28 | cr2 | ok. |
| 17:05.38 | cr2 | the top bit is set. |
| 17:06.33 | goxboxlive | After resume: |
| 17:06.35 | goxboxlive | root@htcuniversal:~$ devmem2 0x44000010 |
| 17:06.35 | goxboxlive | /dev/mem opened. |
| 17:06.35 | goxboxlive | Memory mapped at address 0x4001c000. |
| 17:06.36 | goxboxlive | Value at address 0x44000010 (0x4001c010): 0x0 |
| 17:06.36 | goxboxlive | root@htcuniversal:~$ |
| 17:06.53 | cr2 | hehe. lccr4 dropped. |
| 17:06.58 | cr2 | buggy pxafb |
| 17:07.08 | cr2 | well, not buggy. |
| 17:07.17 | cr2 | it just doesn't support pxa27x |
| 17:07.21 | goxboxlive | i c |
| 17:07.21 | cr2 | properly. |
| 17:07.33 | goxboxlive | so that is why my screen flickker a little |
| 17:07.47 | cr2 | you get half-speed refresh after resume. |
| 17:08.00 | goxboxlive | ahh that seems right |
| 17:08.15 | goxboxlive | I there s userspace command i can change that? |
| 17:08.23 | cr2 | on the cpu freq change it is probably the same effect. |
| 17:08.30 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 17:08.37 | cr2 | no, the pxafb should be fixed for pxa27x |
| 17:08.54 | goxboxlive | But is it safe for my screen that it is running with flicker? |
| 17:09.12 | cr2 | i guess yes. |
| 17:09.49 | cr2 | it's just bad for your eyes. like watching the TV ;-) |
| 17:10.13 | cr2 | but the last is bad for your brain too :) |
| 17:10.25 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 17:33.24 | cr2 | bah. some linux phones have really bizarre command sets http://wiki.openezx.org/AT_commands |
| 17:34.02 | cr2 | we have a really easy life. |
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| 18:43.24 | cr2 | one more gtk phone app. gnokii-based this time. http://lists.openezx.org/pipermail/openezx-devel/2006-December/000900.html |
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| 19:08.24 | rob__w | cr2, i dont like it |
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| 19:48.00 | goxboxlive|gpe | now what's happening |
| 19:48.37 | goxboxlive|gpe | cr2 have you been looking at the cam driver yet? |
| 20:29.34 | oppiz | Kevin2: you home? |
| 20:30.53 | goxboxlive | he was here |
| 20:30.59 | oppiz | saddness |
| 20:31.17 | goxboxlive | just a minute after you left |
| 20:31.26 | oppiz | haha that's the way it goes |
| 20:31.32 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 20:35.22 | ellisway | hows te status of htcuniersal today then |
| 20:36.13 | goxboxlive | ellisway: The status is up2dat at hh.org |
| 20:36.26 | goxboxlive | http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/UniversalStatus |
| 20:36.35 | ellisway | i cant wait to get rid of wm5 from my device but need the phone to be fully functional b4 i can |
| 20:36.41 | ellisway | k |
| 20:37.21 | ellisway | so status and bugs on hh.org are uptodate but theres been no new news entries since november |
| 20:39.59 | goxboxlive | thats not true, the resume of keyboard is working now |
| 20:40.11 | goxboxlive | look at the diff and you see the changes |
| 20:40.26 | ellisway | k |
| 20:41.23 | ellisway | no1 got back to me about testing the bootloader but its 2 l8 now as my handset was replaced yesterday |
| 20:41.34 | oppiz | gpe-apache.tar.bz2 is rather hard to find |
| 20:42.06 | ellisway | although i should be getting another couple of universals over next couple of weeks |
| 20:42.14 | goxboxlive | ellisway: It's not finished yet. I guess it will be the last to complete. |
| 20:42.33 | ellisway | 1 wich sounds like it has a damaged bootloader already |
| 20:42.56 | goxboxlive | oppiz: I guess Kevin2 is using the Universal opie/gpe image, but replace the kernel zImage and modules. |
| 20:43.04 | ellisway | doesn`t boot the backlight comes on but thats about all as far as i`ve been told |
| 20:43.26 | ellisway | sould also be getting a himalaya over next couple of days to play about with |
| 20:43.36 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 20:44.11 | ellisway | still not as nice as my last handset |
| 20:44.37 | ellisway | from the pov tat everything is having to be reversed enginered |
| 20:44.45 | oppiz | goxboxlive: i built my own system, just wanted to peak at his kernel |
| 20:44.53 | ellisway | my last handset was a motorola a760 |
| 20:45.24 | goxboxlive | opizz: ok, you have to comple it from the hh.org cvs |
| 20:45.27 | ellisway | but there wasn`t a lot of information about how to flas new kernel images to it etc |
| 20:45.30 | goxboxlive | oppiz: hold on |
| 20:46.00 | goxboxlive | ellsiway: Are you running a service senter or something since you are getting all broken devices? |
| 20:46.08 | ellisway | nope |
| 20:46.56 | ellisway | i work for a isp and 1 of our customers runs a group of pone shops |
| 20:47.32 | ellisway | but were still in talks with that customer to see if we can get them to give us any htc handsets tat are faulty that they have in their service centres |
| 20:48.12 | goxboxlive | oppiz: Some infor form the kernel-discuss |
| 20:48.14 | goxboxlive | http://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/kernel-discuss/current/#end |
| 20:48.32 | goxboxlive | ok i c |
| 21:01.59 | oppiz | goxboxlive: the patch doesn't seem to work on a 2.6.19.1 kernel, you know what kernel that it will patch on? |
| 21:06.14 | goxboxlive | oppiz: Yes the hh.org kernel |
| 21:06.21 | oppiz | indeed :-p |
| 21:14.30 | oppiz | i didn't know the market was so big for linux handhelds development |
| 21:14.42 | oppiz | i'm surprised we don't have more of them working |
| 21:14.54 | goxboxlive | well, lets hope it will grove even more |
| 21:15.24 | oppiz | once i can make and recieve calls with my apache 6700 it will be 100% linux |
| 21:15.51 | goxboxlive | That's great |
| 21:16.20 | oppiz | goxboxlive: how long have you used linux? |
| 21:16.42 | goxboxlive | I dont know how far Kevin2 is with his project, but i guess he is not far behind the Universal |
| 21:17.14 | goxboxlive | Not that long, permanent two years |
| 21:17.34 | oppiz | how far along is the Univeral |
| 21:17.41 | oppiz | i'm going on 7 Years |
| 21:18.10 | oppiz | 6 and some change |
| 21:18.19 | goxboxlive | but i have had dual boot for several years, but i am not a developer, just a user. |
| 21:18.46 | oppiz | http://trac.cross-lfs.org/wiki/WikiStart |
| 21:18.51 | goxboxlive | The universal is allmost having everything working, but there are some bugs here and there |
| 21:18.53 | oppiz | i'm way into it |
| 21:19.18 | goxboxlive | We have phone working, but there are missing a mixer for the sounddriver |
| 21:19.36 | goxboxlive | I can hear peolple talk, but they cant hear me |
| 21:19.44 | goxboxlive | also sending sms |
| 21:19.56 | goxboxlive | let me take a look at you link.,, hold on |
| 21:25.07 | goxboxlive | I c, i am building images for the universal using OpenEmbedded bitbake: http://www.openembedded.org/ |
| 21:25.28 | oppiz | i cross compiled on my desktop |
| 21:30.22 | goxboxlive | yes of course. |
| 21:33.13 | elysion | are you using a realtime linux kernels for the pdas? |
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| 21:46.59 | goxboxlive | hi lpotter |
| 21:47.56 | lpotter | hi |
| 21:54.43 | Kevin2 | oppiz: Hi. |
| 21:54.49 | goxboxlive | :-) |
| 21:55.35 | Kevin2 | (10:32:16) Kevin2: Heh, timing, timing, timing. :-) |
| 21:57.13 | Kevin2 | oppiz: Check out Apache status at: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/ApacheStatus |
| 21:59.09 | Kevin2 | I'm using the GPE images that are for h2200 -- they seem to work fine on Apache. See: http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/download.php |
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