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| 00:13.30 | rpodgorny | just a quick note, someone has submitted a bad code to linux/kernel26 cvs |
| 00:14.10 | rpodgorny | following patch fixes t |
| 00:14.10 | rpodgorny | it |
| 00:14.10 | rpodgorny | --- arch/arm/mach-pxa/htcblueangel/blueangel_lcd.c 20 Dec 2006 23:12:36 -0000 1.7 |
| 00:14.11 | rpodgorny | +++ arch/arm/mach-pxa/htcblueangel/blueangel_lcd.c 21 Dec 2006 00:11:32 -0000 |
| 00:14.11 | rpodgorny | @@ -396,7 +396,7 @@ |
| 00:14.11 | rpodgorny | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.11 | rpodgorny | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.11 | rpodgorny | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.11 | rpodgorny | - } |
| 00:14.11 | rpodgorny | + }, |
| 00:14.11 | rpodgorny | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.11 | rpodgorny | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.11 | rpodgorny | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.12 | rpodgorny | (just a comma missing) |
| 00:17.37 | goxboxlive | <rpodgorny> post it on kernel-discuss |
| 00:18.27 | psokolovsky_ | rpodgorny, thanks, fixed. |
| 00:19.47 | goxboxlive | hi psok |
| 00:20.30 | psokolovsky_ | hi |
| 00:20.48 | goxboxlive | Haven you managed to compile Qtopia yet? |
| 00:21.15 | psokolovsky_ | goxboxlive, i didn't try, nor I'm going to ;-) |
| 00:21.35 | goxboxlive | really |
| 00:21.52 | goxboxlive | why? thought you where a Opie fan |
| 00:22.05 | psokolovsky_ | sure - why bother? hrw will add it to OE soon, and it will compile for everyone ;-) |
| 00:22.26 | psokolovsky_ | well, I'm mostly a Linux-PDA fan ;-) |
| 00:22.54 | goxboxlive | I c. Really looking forward to that,. I have compiled it, but havent managed to start it yet. |
| 00:23.46 | goxboxlive | Do you think Opie will be removed after OpieII is added? |
| 00:24.19 | psokolovsky_ | goxboxlive, I'm really glad that qtopia4 comes with basic apps to bootstrap opie2 with, but I don't really think opie2 will reach level of opie usubility in the nearest half-year ;-I |
| 00:24.45 | goxboxlive | I guess you right |
| 00:24.47 | psokolovsky_ | goxboxlive, sure, but opie2 won't be added that soon ;-). there's no opie2 so far, only qtopia4 ;-) |
| 00:24.55 | goxboxlive | Neither openmoko i guess |
| 00:25.17 | goxboxlive | I c |
| 00:40.06 | ljp | thats because of a svn import error with the database |
| 00:41.59 | ljp | i do have a few patches and stuff waiting.. |
| 00:42.43 | ljp | if I dont get it resolved soon, opieII will go at handhelds.org |
| 00:51.48 | Kevin2 | Hi |
| 01:02.11 | goxboxlive | ljp i c |
| 01:03.37 | goxboxlive | ljp: Where should the files "runqpe" and "getpaths.sh" be placed? Or doesnt it mather where they are. For now i have them in my /home/root directory. ALso tried /opt/Qtopia/ but it didnt help. |
| 01:04.37 | ljp | for on a device? |
| 01:04.57 | ljp | on a device, I just write my own little script |
| 01:05.17 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 01:06.20 | goxboxlive | so it is basicly only needed to run /opt/Qtopia/bin/qpe, and not the provided ones in the /Qtopie-src-4.2.0/script folder? |
| 01:06.59 | goxboxlive | could you pastebin your script? |
| 01:09.13 | ljp | hmm. ya, url? |
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| 01:13.40 | ljp | http://pastebin.ca/286971 |
| 01:13.43 | goxboxlive | thx |
| 01:14.14 | ljp | you will have to change the keyboard since that plugin I have yet to release |
| 01:14.29 | ljp | and maybe the display |
| 01:14.38 | ljp | if you dont need the transformed driver |
| 01:15.22 | ljp | hmm. and that should be mmWidth not mWidth |
| 01:20.37 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 01:25.29 | BobOfDoom | Hi, anyone ever heard of the HTC ASIC 6? |
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| 08:37.41 | goxboxlive | cr2: Have you seen this? SInce it is a 624MHz cpu it most certainly same cpu as UNI/HX4700 right? http://xda-developers.com/modules.php?name=News&file=showarticle&threadid=286884 |
| 08:39.28 | goxboxlive | It says samsung here. http://www.engadget.com/2006/12/20/htcs-athena-x7500-a-winmo-ppc-not-umpc/ |
| 09:26.54 | pH5 | hmm. I don't get it. The same EGPIO is switched in the nk.exe flash write/erase routines that is switched in wavedev.dll to select GSM handsfree mode. |
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| 12:49.55 | mfroes | is there a handheld with GSM support? wanted like those qtek mobile phones but more nokia 770 like |
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| 13:30.42 | Hymie | mfroes: ? lots of handhelds have gsm support |
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| 14:26.21 | mfroes | Hymie: can you tell me a few ???? is there some linux based ? |
| 14:26.56 | mfroes | Hymie: i am from brazil.. there's not a lot of stuff like that here |
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| 15:01.05 | jjazz | mfroes: What, exactly, are you looking for? |
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| 16:21.08 | mfroes | jjazz: a linux based handheld with GSM support |
| 16:22.39 | jjazz | mfroes: Do you need it to run linux out of the box, or are you willing to replace the firmware OS with linux? |
| 16:23.16 | jjazz | mfroes: If you want it out of the box, take a look at Qtopia's greenphone and the openmoko. |
| 16:24.23 | mfroes | out of the box not replacing anything |
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| 16:26.22 | mfroes | jjazz: i dont want pobile phones |
| 16:26.34 | mfroes | i want pdas |
| 16:27.10 | mfroes | like nokia 770 or sharp zaurus |
| 16:27.30 | jjazz | mfroes: The 770 lacks a phone. And it's not a PDA. It's a web-browsing tablet. |
| 16:28.22 | jjazz | mfroes: Lots of people like the zaurus, though. It's pretty close to what you want. |
| 16:28.32 | mfroes | not really ... 770 has office suit and stuff i thing |
| 16:28.34 | mfroes | think |
| 16:29.14 | mfroes | but it doesnt have the GSM interface to access internet |
| 16:29.24 | jjazz | mfroes: Sure, it does more than just web browsing. But it's not intended to be a pocket PDA device. Nobody I know who has one uses it that way, which kinda says to me it's not suited for that purpose. |
| 16:29.51 | mfroes | jjazz: i've seen pepper .. but it's kinda big |
| 16:30.36 | jjazz | mfroes: I've never seen one. The 770 is a bit large too. Great screen, but not really pocket-sized unless you're wearing cargo pants. |
| 16:31.27 | mfroes | sony used to have clie ux-50 .. but it was discontinued |
| 16:31.27 | jjazz | mfroes: I like the Universal. Only seen one in person once, but it seemed to be a great device. |
| 16:32.28 | mfroes | universal ? |
| 16:32.45 | jjazz | mfroes: The htc universal. It got sold under a bunch of other brand names. |
| 16:33.10 | pH5 | mfroes: for info about htc devices look at wiki.xda-developers.com |
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| 16:34.02 | Fossi | won't run linux natively though |
| 16:34.12 | jjazz | Fossi: Few things with a gsm phone will. |
| 16:34.13 | Fossi | but then again, there's no such device |
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| 16:34.25 | mfroes | jjazz: ohh it's th e Qtek 9000 .. i've seen one of those.. but it's kinda expensive |
| 16:35.23 | jjazz | mfroes: Ebay is your friend. And, yes, it's spendy, but that's because it has a lot of features (i.e. a keyboard). |
| 16:35.40 | jjazz | mfroes: If you can get one cheap on ebay, it starts to look more reasonable. |
| 16:36.26 | jjazz | mfroes: It's possible that in Europe (I'm in America), they can be had at discount from network operators, but Ebay is probably cheaper than that. |
| 16:37.10 | mfroes | humm im a brazillian .. we dont have ebay here |
| 16:37.17 | cr2 | pH5: hi. have you found the vpen ? |
| 16:37.29 | mfroes | we have something like it .. but it's not that cheap |
| 16:40.12 | cr2 | Bluenagel is not going to boot from SD, unless the mmc_get_ro() will be done right. |
| 16:41.07 | jjazz | mfroes: Why can't you use America's ebay.com? |
| 16:43.43 | mfroes | jjazz: the products wont get into the country .. in brasil we can only import new stuff, with a bill of sale and pay 80% importation tax. |
| 16:44.04 | mfroes | if it's not new, it gets confiscated |
| 16:44.20 | jjazz | mfroes: Wow. I didn't know that. Why only new stuff? |
| 16:44.29 | mfroes | jjazz: yes |
| 16:44.31 | mfroes | :( |
| 16:44.37 | pH5 | cr2: no |
| 16:44.41 | pH5 | cr2: I'm confused |
| 16:44.44 | Fossi | from a provider, with a contract, my prophet was 70 euros |
| 16:45.31 | pH5 | the flash routines in nk.exe switch an egpio - but the same egpio is switched in wavedev.dll for handsfree configuration ?! |
| 16:46.09 | pH5 | also, I don't get why a cpld egpio would be used to enable Vpp to the pxa272 stacked flash |
| 16:47.16 | pH5 | I just tried to set that egpio in the mtd map, but still erase fails. Maybe I have to unlock the flash like hx4700, maybe vpp enable is wrong, maybe both. |
| 16:48.12 | cr2 | pH5: on some devices the vpp is on an obscure asic3 pin. |
| 16:51.26 | mfroes | is there a linux based palm with wi-fi and bluetooth like sharp SL-C3200 or SL-C3100 ???? i think i'm gonna have to connect by bluetooth cel phone .. and i didnt want that. ... |
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| 16:53.51 | jjazz | mfroes: You can put linux on the zaurus |
| 16:54.09 | jjazz | mfroes: Or you can get the 770 |
| 16:59.36 | mfroes | zaurus SL-C is linux |
| 17:04.00 | drno_ | cr2: just a short question, do you know what ETDS is? |
| 17:06.35 | mfroes | for what you guys usually use the pda ? |
| 17:08.27 | cr2 | drno_: no. |
| 17:08.34 | drno_ | ah k |
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| 17:09.09 | cr2 | pH5: i'd like to listen to that talk http://events.ccc.de/congress/2006/Fahrplan/events/1495.en.html |
| 17:09.54 | cr2 | pH5: not because of encryption, but more to understand the whole infrastructure. |
| 17:11.29 | rpodgorny_away | so i've finally upgraded to wm5 (on blueangel), fscking windows machine was needed... ...hope the reboot cycles will now be faster/better... |
| 17:12.25 | goxboxlive | hi cr2 |
| 17:13.49 | goxboxlive | cr2: http://www.qtopia.net/modules/newbb_plus/viewtopic.php?topic_id=264&forum=2 |
| 17:20.25 | cr2 | rpodgorny_away: you can't boot from SD with the CVS asic3_mmc code, because your card is always "readonly". |
| 17:20.59 | rpodgorny_away | cr2: thanks for the info! what can be doe about it? |
| 17:21.02 | rpodgorny_away | done |
| 17:21.43 | cr2 | modify the function for your own needs. |
| 17:22.09 | cr2 | goxboxlive: strace -ff ./runqpe |
| 17:23.05 | cr2 | ldd /where/is/qpe to see all the libs it is linked to. |
| 17:23.11 | rpodgorny | what is "the function"? something in the kernel regarding ro/rw detection? |
| 17:24.20 | cr2 | static int |
| 17:24.24 | cr2 | mmc_get_ro(struct mmc_host *mmc) |
| 17:24.24 | cr2 | { |
| 17:24.24 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.25 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.25 | cr2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:24.25 | cr2 | } |
| 17:24.50 | rpodgorny | thanks! will investigate it... |
| 17:27.49 | pH5 | cr2: so you'll be there day 2 only? |
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| 17:28.44 | cr2 | pH5: 2-3, i think. and i need to find a hotel. |
| 17:31.17 | cr2 | goxboxlive: do you have the compiled image somewhere ? |
| 17:32.31 | goxboxlive | cr2: No, i dont, but can upload to you together with the zImage |
| 17:34.35 | goxboxlive | cr2: Let me know when you have downloaded it, i'll delete it after that |
| 17:38.57 | pH5 | cr2: cool. I'll try to go one of those days. (I had planned one of {28,29,30}). |
| 17:42.24 | goxboxlive | cr2: It's not linked to anyone . It doesnt give me a output when i do ldd -v (or whatever i try) /opq/Qtopia/bin/qpe |
| 17:47.59 | cr2 | pH5: ok. then i think we can meet. |
| 17:48.10 | cr2 | goxboxlive: where i can download it ? |
| 17:50.05 | cr2 | hehehe. one more candidate for a linux phone :) http://www.teleclick.ca/2006/12/apple-iphone-linksys-beats-them-to-it/ |
| 17:51.02 | goxboxlive | download from gnulinuxbiz (maybe you should bookmark that page ) :-) |
| 17:51.06 | cr2 | The device would not be revolutionary: manufactured by HTC, a Taiwanese firm specialising in smart phones and Personal Data Assistants (PDAs), it might have a screen similar to a video iPod. |
| 17:51.19 | cr2 | ok. |
| 18:00.30 | cr2 | goxboxlive: downloaded. |
| 18:00.40 | goxboxlive | ok |
| 18:02.57 | goxboxlive | cr2: Let me know if you managed to boot it. In the /home/root/files folder i have aplied libstdc++.. You have to install it before you even try to start qpe |
| 18:39.12 | rpodgorny | cr2: 2 questions: the mmc_get_ro is asic-specific, not card-specific so when I modify it to work in my case, won't other cards stop working?; why can't the kernel mount root in ro mode? i thought it's quite common to mount ro and remount rw later... |
| 18:39.37 | rpodgorny | ...but maybe i got it all wrong :-( |
| 18:49.58 | pH5 | rpodgorny: mmc_get_ro is just a function that tells the mmc subsystem the state of the sd write protoect gpio, so that the mmc subsystem knows the card is write protected and doesn't try to send write commands to the card. |
| 18:50.06 | pH5 | the kernel can mount root in ro mode |
| 18:52.03 | rpodgorny | so if this very piece of code is working for someone, any of my possible modifications would break it, right? |
| 19:00.22 | pH5 | rpodgorny: right. but you could force-return 0 just for testing. or try adding ro to the kernel cmdline. |
| 19:00.43 | pH5 | rpodgorny: I don't understand why that would help, though. I always thought asic3_mmc works the same on all asic3 devices. |
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| 19:02.14 | rpodgorny | right, that's exactly what i thought |
| 19:02.21 | rpodgorny | will try the "ro" |
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| 19:21.50 | rpodgorny | pH5: Thanks a lot! It works! (the "ro" kernel parm) ...I also had to add mem=128M since i've upgraded to WM5 |
| 19:24.30 | rpodgorny | is there a way to make blueangel NOT forget the time everytime i hard-reset? |
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| 19:28.31 | pH5 | rpodgorny: you have 128mb ram? |
| 19:28.57 | pH5 | rpodgorny: unfortunately, there is no way to make it remember the time except for a battery powered rtc |
| 19:29.10 | pH5 | which only the universal has as far as I know |
| 19:29.14 | pH5 | --> ntp |
| 19:35.46 | rpodgorny | well the "device info" on windows reports "96MB RAM" but the "mem=128M" was mentioned on the hh.org wiki to be used when executing haret from wm5 |
| 19:38.33 | pH5 | nice. I wasn't aware the ba had so much RAM. |
| 19:40.01 | cr2 | pH5: ba and himalaya have 128MB RAM. micro$oft didn't force device manufacturers to use 64MB at that time ;) |
| 19:40.15 | pH5 | those were the days.. |
| 19:40.26 | rpodgorny | the problem is i don't really understand how windows calls all this memory (there's "flash" and "storage" and "ramdisk" and whatever.. :-( ) |
| 19:40.47 | pH5 | rpodgorny: when you have linux running, things will be finally clear :) |
| 19:41.05 | cr2 | rpodgorny: wince5 underreports the RAM size. |
| 19:41.19 | rpodgorny | yeah, that's where i'm trying to get :-) |
| 19:41.59 | rpodgorny | the other gauge says: memory -> storage: 60.78MB, program: 77.11MB :-( |
| 19:42.10 | rpodgorny | what a confusion! |
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| 19:43.52 | pH5 | rpodgorny: I guess that is supposed to be the remaining free memory of flash and ram, respectively |
| 19:46.16 | rpodgorny | in pocket pc 2003 the ram was somehow divided between programs and storage but wm5 seem to be different (the data even survive hard-reset). i'm sick of all this stuff being hidden from user... :-( |
| 19:47.30 | rpodgorny | but now that the kernel boots i hope to do some experiments to make all the peripherals run and wipe windows completely (i know it's a long way to go but the feeling... :-)) |
| 20:24.44 | goxboxlive | cr2 are you around? |
| 20:26.57 | pH5 | Hm.. 98% battery after 12 hours of suspend. I wish I had the patience to try to suspend it for a few days. |
| 20:27.28 | rpodgorny | pH5: which device? |
| 20:27.34 | pH5 | magician |
| 20:27.37 | goxboxlive | pH5 wow thats is great. |
| 20:27.59 | goxboxlive | I would like to test self, but i have to use it |
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