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02:19.06gnifhi all :D
02:20.36gnifanybody here?
02:34.40gnifI will just hang about until someone responds...
02:35.08gnifI have a magician, and I have managed to get it booting a 2.6.18-rc7 kernel
02:35.25gnifBut... no matter what I do, I can not get it to load an initrd image
02:35.42gnifDuring boot I get:
02:36.02gnifRAMDISK: Couldn't find valid RAM dis: image starting at 0.
02:36.08gnif*disk
02:37.05gnifThe image starting at 0 makes me think the kernel is not getting the intrid address, or something... unless its supposed to be located at 0
02:37.18gnifjust looks wrong to me
02:39.10gnifanyway, i have built initrd, crafs, ext2/3 and ramdisk support into the kernel, but I still have no success.
02:40.35gnifI was suggested to use the "bigkernel" version of HaRET, but since there is no HTC version that I can find... it seems pretty useless.
02:41.01gnifAlso, my kernel is only 3.2M uncompressed, so I dont think its overwriting the initrd image on decompression
02:46.46gnifgoing to jump into #handhelds.org and see if someone there can help
02:46.49gnifbbs
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03:06.21gnifhello
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06:26.09gnifI got it to go!!!
06:26.21gnifmy kernel image was 2 big :D
06:27.09gnifit was overwriting the initrd image on decompression
06:27.47gnifafter removing as much from the image as I could, it was able to find the initrd image
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07:21.59florian_kcgood morning
07:25.11gnifhello
07:26.07gnifits afternoon here :P
07:34.10florian_kc:-)
07:34.25florian_kcwe have UGT here anyway...
07:34.29gnifUGT?
07:35.22gnifI am just about braindead, been trying to get a 2.6 kernel to load a initrd image on a magician.... only got it working about 45 mins ago
07:35.50gnifafk for a sec
07:39.32gnifback
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08:23.01florian_kcre
08:39.57gnifargh, now linuxrc is not being run
08:59.09gnifi am such an idiot.. i left "initrd" off the command args
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09:00.38gnifnope, that didnt fix it
09:00.48catphishmorning
09:00.53gnifyello
09:01.09gnifi am about ready to tear my hair out
09:01.15catphishwhat u trying to do?
09:01.28gnifi had a test initrd image working...
09:01.38catphishwhat device?
09:01.45gnifmagician
09:02.05gnifit loads the image, no errors
09:02.11gnifjust doesnt execute linuxrc
09:02.20catphishwhat are ur kernel params?
09:02.28gnifroot=/dev/loop0 init=/linuxrc initrd console=tty0 mem=63M
09:02.48catphishdoes it mount /dev/loop0?
09:02.55gnifthe initrd image does
09:03.05gnifbut linuxrc never executes
09:03.11catphishusually with initrd u need root=/dev/ram0
09:03.26catphishotherwise it'll try to mount the loop before the inittrd
09:03.39gnifahhh, i thought it was the other way around
09:03.47catphishi've seen it both ways
09:03.50gnifit tried to mount loop0 after the initrd process finished
09:03.52catphishim not sure how it decides
09:03.57gnifi will try the other
09:04.26catphishif u do root=/dev/ram0 init=/linuxrc it will run the initrd from the rd
09:04.39gnifbtw, why does everyone use "mem=63M" and not 64?
09:04.41catphishbut then that initrc has to be responsible for mounting the rootfs
09:04.50catphishi dont use it at all
09:05.52gnifok, thats better
09:05.56catphishcool
09:06.00gnifdiff error tho
09:06.08gniffailed to execute /linuxrc
09:06.27catphishi dont use ramdisks tbh
09:06.34catphishi've had too many problems like that
09:06.48gnifit ok, I am just learning
09:07.33gnifi want to make it mount a loopback file on the MMC that contains a linux install
09:07.34catphishthe kernel should mount whatever disk you tell it to, then run whatever init program you tell it to, but with initrd's i don't think its always that simple
09:07.38gnifand boot from that
09:08.20gnifwhats annoying is, I had it working about 45 mins ago
09:08.29gnifwith another initrd I made
09:08.29catphishlol
09:08.45catphishim frustrated cos mine boots perfectly but I have no way to communicate with it
09:09.01catphishno keyboard, irda doesnt work, bluetooth doesnt work, wifi doesnt work, usb doesnt work
09:09.10gnifwhat device?
09:09.13catphishalpine
09:09.26gnifi thought they had more support then the magician
09:10.09catphishnope
09:10.41catphish"Apache (the kernel boots)" "Magician (GPE works, phone, sound and battery charging don't work yet)"
09:11.27catphishto the best of my knowledge nobody's ever managed to log onto an alpine
09:11.33gnifactually, sound is working now, and I think charging has been fixed
09:11.49catphishlol
09:11.51gnifsound thanks to zabel
09:12.03gnifhe has been pioneering the work on this phone
09:12.09catphishall the work on the alpine has been by cr2 to make the kernel boot
09:12.13catphishand he doesnt even own one
09:12.31gniflol
09:12.45gnifi am trying to get involved, but I cant even build a basic install
09:12.49gnif*system
09:14.03catphishi'm in the same situation, but after a week of constant work i'm starting to understand the hardware
09:14.12gnifahh, wait a sec... i dont think i put ram0 into the dev dir
09:14.35catphishudev should deal with that?
09:14.44gnifits too early for udev, remember
09:16.00gnifthe kernel mounts the initrd image, then tries to start, in this order /bin/init /sbin/init /init /linuxrc
09:16.15gnifthen udev can be started
09:16.41gnifbut it wont run /linuxrc for me :(
09:18.58gnifhey, do you know why haret loads the kernel, then initrd after it? why not reverse that so that when the kernel decompresses it has as much room as it needs without risking overwritng the kernel
09:19.55gnifoverwritng the kernel = overwritng the initrd
09:25.21catphishbeats me
09:25.27gniflol
09:25.34catphishwhat are you using the initrd for out of interest?
09:25.55catphishi tend just to compile drivers needed for booting into the monolithic kernel
09:26.18gnifi want to boot into a loopback root
09:26.29gnifa initrd is needed to mount the loopback
09:26.32catphishoh of course
09:26.44catphishusing FAT SD card?
09:26.49gniftyp
09:26.52gnifyup
09:27.09gnifi dont see any reason why it wont work
09:27.24catphishdoes your initrd mount successfully then?
09:27.29gnifyes
09:28.02gnifi just re-build busybox hoping its an issue there
09:28.59gnifnope
09:29.14gnifstill broke... perhaps i need the "keepinitrd" line
09:32.07catphishdumb question, but is /linuxrc executable?
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09:32.22gniflol, not dumb, that was my 1st problem :P
09:32.29gnifbut yes, its executable
09:32.43catphishok
09:34.20rob_whe all
09:34.31gnifhello
09:35.00gnifhow good are you with initrds?
09:35.57gnifArgh, I FOUND IT
09:36.03gnifbusybox
09:36.09gnifChoose your default shell (none) <-- NONE!
09:36.35catphishhey rob
09:37.42gnifok, scping myself the new initrd
09:37.44rob_whey dudes,, whats up
09:38.12catphishim being frustrated by my inability to make any of the hardware in my alpine work
09:38.29gnifwell, i am a n00b new to this place trying to get my magician to run a real OS
09:39.32gnifit worked!!! linuxrc ran :D
09:39.46catphishcool
09:40.10gnifdo i just use vfat for the mmc fs?
09:40.48catphishyep
09:41.11catphishwell, i formatted my card with vfat and wince reads it
09:41.35catphishso i guess so
09:41.43gnifoh, one thing thats been bugging me... do i have to hard reset my device every time i booot linux, or is there a way around it?
09:42.13catphishhard reset is the only way i know
09:42.29catphishproblem is linux uses wince's memory without any regard for whats in it
09:42.37catphishso crashes it unrecoverabely
09:42.51gnifthought so
09:43.12gnifYAY, initrd just mounted the MMC, and is creating me a brand new ext2 file :D
09:43.22catphishcool
09:44.24gnifi wonder if i could cross compile a debian install :S
09:44.40catphishit would be nice to write a wince program that filled a big block of memory with nothing, then put linux in that RAM, but i'm not sure if its possible as I know nothing about memory
09:44.54catphishyou could run anything i guess
09:45.02rob_wcatphish, i had this assumption also ..
09:45.20gnifi dont think you can
09:45.36catphishproblem is linux needs continuous memory
09:45.37rob_wbut it seems with ppc 2005 this proplem goes away , ,universal people said that
09:45.38gnifthe kernel expects to be loaded at 0x48000
09:45.45catphishand any program in wince would have its memory scattered
09:46.25catphishactually im not sure about that, but that was my understanding of the problem
09:47.14catphishhard reset wouldnt be such a problem if my alpine didnt have loads of boot scripts including a compulsary tutorial
09:47.29catphishi have to learn how to use the touchscreen every reboot
09:48.00gniflol, me 2
09:48.08gnifi have removed all the scripts from mine tho
09:48.13gnifno oem crap on mine
09:48.51catphishah, i couldnt really b bothered, i just do a soft reset when the scrits start and that kills it
09:49.21gnifmagician only have limited ram, so it was more about gettin that space back
09:54.58gnifwhat exacly is opie?
09:57.00catphishits qt based gui for pocket operating systems
09:57.20catphishhttp://opie.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/
09:57.34gnifdoes it support the phone?
09:57.58catphishim not sure
09:58.07catphishim not even close to worrying about that yet
09:59.38gnifhah, neither am i... just thought I would ask
09:59.54catphishim working with opie since i use kde
09:59.59gnifso where are most of you peeps from? I am in Australia
10:00.25catphishUK
10:01.04gnifyeah, i figured that most of you were over there, ppc phones seem to be bigger there
10:01.07gnifor its just me
10:01.14catphishbig in europe
10:01.22catphishlots of ppl in germany/uk
10:02.08gnifwell, i gtg, i will be back online a bit later
10:02.16gnifits 9:00 here
10:02.23gnifpm
10:02.31gnifthanks for the help
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10:34.17gnifi'm back :D
10:35.10catphishhi
10:35.12gnifwas thinking... what if i get a basic gentoo system on it... then you could just emerge existing packages
10:35.33catphishi dont know if gentoo has been ported to arm?
10:35.40gnifit isnt "ported"
10:35.50gnifgentoo is in raw source
10:35.54gnifyou compile everything
10:36.11gnifso essently you build your own port
10:36.37catphishyes but the package manager knows which apps will compile on which archs
10:36.44gnifahh, true
10:36.53catphishand if theres no data for arm then it wont work vy well
10:36.55gnifi havnt used gentoo in years
10:37.02gnifwas just an idea
10:37.07catphishits possible
10:37.27catphishand i'd love to do it
10:37.32catphishbut again its a long way off yet
10:37.36catphishim still battling the kernel :)
10:37.47gnifyes, but if you have to maintain a repository, you may aswell have a debian repository to maintain
10:38.50gnifwhats broken in your phone again, why cant you telnet/ssh into it?
10:39.24catphishi cant ssh because none of the drivers i could use to link it to a pc are working
10:39.47gnifnot even IRDA?
10:39.52catphishusb gadget driver segfaults the kernel, irda/bluetooth just dont seem to work
10:40.03catphishits vy hard to debug when u cant run commands on it
10:40.33gnifyeah, i know what you mean, i do dev for xbox linux... no serial output/output at all until the framebuffer loads
10:40.47gnifjust has no legacy devices at all
10:41.01catphishindeed
10:41.04gnifits a nightmare
10:41.10catphishluckily the lcd works ok
10:41.31gnifwell atleast you can fill it with printks
10:45.43catphishyep
10:45.49catphishim new to kernel hacking
10:45.55catphishprobably shoulda started on a pc
10:46.16gnifproblem is, everything worth starting with is already done
10:46.25catphishtrue
10:46.30gnifi am new to it all aswell
10:46.40gnifonly been digging in the sources the last few weeks
10:46.50catphishmain problem i have atm is the usb gadget driver crashes the kernel
10:47.11catphishhttp://www.handhelds.org/hypermail/kernel-discuss/13/1352.html
10:47.14gnifwhat is the usb gadget? does it turn the phone into an ethernet adaptor of sorts?
10:47.22catphishyes
10:47.39catphishor a serial adapter, or whatever it wants to pretend to be
10:47.58catphishbut theres a bug in the driver
10:48.35gnifhave you tried the patches from Zabel?
10:48.42catphishno
10:49.04gnifthey are for the magician, but the gadgets stuff should be universal
10:49.08gniffor the pxa2
10:49.16catphishwhere are they?
10:49.21gnifgetting url
10:49.28catphishnot in the hh cvs?
10:49.32gnifnope
10:49.42gnifhs uses a 2.6.18 kernel
10:49.58gnifand all the magician stuff seems to be his own work
10:50.03catphishcool
10:50.06gnifheaps more advanced then the hh repos
10:50.20catphishinteresting
10:51.15gnifi must be blind... cant see the email
10:51.25catphishlol
10:51.42gnifgot it
10:51.46gnifhttp://userpage.fu-berlin.de/~zabel/magician/patches-2.6.18-rc7-htc.tar
10:52.03catphishDokument nicht gefunden
10:52.10catphish:(
10:52.19gnifhuh?
10:52.32gnifoh, whoops
10:52.41gnif<PROTECTED>
10:52.43gnifargh
10:52.45gnifdid it again
10:52.48gnifhold on
10:52.54gnif<PROTECTED>
10:52.56gnifffs
10:52.58gnif<PROTECTED>
10:52.59gnifther
10:53.02gniftry that
10:53.15catphishnope
10:53.24gnif:S
10:53.28gnifi downloaded them 2day
10:53.35gnifu got an email, i will send em
10:54.57gnifhis patches wont apply to the hh kernel
10:55.03gnifbut you can use them for reference
10:55.18catphishwhat do they apply to?
10:55.20gnifthe gadget stuff may be identical
10:55.20catphishvanilla?
10:55.37gnifvanilla patched with the latest 2.6.18rc7 snapshot
10:55.52catphishah
10:56.02gnifits what I am using atm
10:56.17gnifif you want, I can see if I can pull out the gadget stuff and tar it
10:57.09catphishmight be easier to mail the whoel file
10:57.12catphishhow big is it?
10:57.38gnifthe whole kernel?
10:57.43gnif40+ MB
10:57.55gnifi found the pxa gadget stuff
10:57.58gnif20kb
10:58.03catphishcool
10:58.07catphishcheers
10:58.52gnifsent
10:59.12catphishok
10:59.20gnifif your lucky you could just overwrite the original ones
10:59.33gnifi would do a diff first to see if there is any changes tho
11:00.41gnifwhoops, i forgot to tar the headers, yell if you need em
11:01.00catphishi'll just write over the files and see iuf it compiles
11:01.01catphishim lazy
11:01.05gniflol, me 2
11:01.17gnifwould be good to have a diff tho
11:01.29gnifjust so we know what the changes are, and they can be comitted to the hh repos
11:01.38gnifif it works ofcource
11:01.52catphishi'll diff it
11:01.54catphishwont take long
11:02.43gnifjust dbl checked that oops... i sent you the right stuff :D
11:03.08catphishthe diff is 1243 lines :|
11:03.15gnif+ or -?
11:03.37catphishjust looks like everything's changed
11:04.12gnifi suppose thats good :D
11:04.17catphishlol
11:04.19gnifit means that it may work
11:04.24catphishyes
11:04.28catphishim gonna compile it
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11:07.27catphishare you using the universal disk image?
11:07.30catphishor make ur own?
11:08.43catphishwell it doesnt compile
11:08.46gnifi make my own
11:08.51catphishthink i need headers
11:09.01gnifi will tar the whole gadget dir
11:09.06catphishcheers
11:10.34catphishi might be much better off with the whole kernel
11:10.47catphishaltho
11:10.54catphishthat wont have alpine bits
11:10.57catphishso no
11:12.03gnifno, it doesnt
11:12.09gnifwhat was your email again?
11:12.12catphishi might need include/asm/arch/pxa-regs.h
11:12.21gnifok
11:12.36catphishcharliesatqualcommdotcom
11:15.34catphishthe alpine and magician have almost the same cpu
11:15.42catphishwhich contains the usb controller
11:15.57catphishmakes my life easy
11:16.55catphishah got it :)
11:17.03gnifgot what?
11:17.08gnifsorry, kinda afk
11:17.28catphishi got the patches
11:17.31catphishu sent em earlier
11:17.37gnifahh
11:18.48gnifjust sent the gadget dir
11:19.02gnifbbs, got a box that has died i have to look at
11:19.07catphishok
11:30.32gnifok, back
11:30.35gnifhow did it go?
11:31.30catphishhavent really got anywhere
11:31.41catphishit wont compile if i copy yours over mine
11:31.41gnifno :(
11:31.54catphishits probably including lots of things
11:32.52catphishhmm now it compiled...
11:32.55catphishinteresting
11:33.15gnifcool
11:33.25gnifthat using the gadget dir?
11:33.36gnifor just replaced the pxa files?
11:33.50catphishwait
11:34.20catphishdrivers/usb/gadget/pxa27x_udc.c:1291: error: dereferencing pointer to incomplete type
11:34.23catphishi get lots of that
11:34.29gnifdamn
11:34.32catphishdrivers/usb/gadget/pxa27x_udc.c:1370: error: unknown field `ep_alloc' specified in initializer
11:34.35gnifi didnt when I compiled
11:34.44gnifmust be due to the age of the kernel
11:34.51catphishproblem is your pxa code will be including things
11:35.25gnifnah, i dont think so
11:35.25catphishcan you send me your kernel pls
11:35.39gnifits too big to send on my pipe
11:35.40catphish(compiled)
11:35.47catphishah
11:36.07gnifumm, it deff wont boot on your device
11:36.42catphishok
11:36.48catphishi wnt try it then
11:36.51gnifjust go to kernel.org
11:36.59gnifget the 2.6.17.tar.bz kernel
11:37.04catphishok
11:37.13gnifnot 2.6.17-X one
11:37.29gnifwhere x = a revision
11:37.32catphishi have linux-2.6.17.tar.bz2
11:37.37gnifcool
11:37.44catphishim running it lol
11:37.47catphishon my workstation
11:37.52gniflol
11:38.00gnifok, decompress it (obviously)
11:38.14catphishdoing
11:38.30catphishyour device and mine are very similar
11:38.37gnifget -> patch-2.6.18-rc7.bz2
11:38.43gniffrom kernel.org
11:38.44catphishthere cant be much stopping your kernel booting
11:38.55gnifdont know... you will have to have a play
11:39.12catphishsure
11:39.17catphishim downloading that patch
11:39.20catphishkernel.org is slow
11:39.24gnifyup
11:39.29gnifthen run:
11:39.45gnifbzcat patch-2.6.18-rc7.bz2 | patch -p1
11:39.49gnifinside the kernel directory
11:39.52catphishok
11:40.17catphishdone
11:40.19gnifthat will bring it up to the latest development snapshot :D
11:40.26gnifget: patch-2.6.18-rc7-git2.bz2
11:40.28gnifand do the same
11:41.18catphishdone
11:41.30gnifdecompress the patches i sent you
11:41.49catphishok
11:41.54gnifand apply them in the order that is listed in the file "series"
11:43.29catphishok that worked
11:43.38gnifthats it, now your up to where i am
11:43.44catphish:)
11:44.15gnifbtw, what cross compiler are you using?
11:44.51catphish3.4.1 pre-built
11:45.06gnifi built my own using crosstool
11:45.07catphishhow do i tell the kernel to compile for arm?
11:45.25gnifexport ARCH=arm
11:45.26gnifexport CROSS_COMPILE=/opt/crosstool/gcc-4.1.0-glibc-2.3.2/arm-xscale-linux-gnu/bin/arm-xscale-linux-gnu-
11:45.34gnifchange CROSS_COMPILE for your use
11:46.18catphishshould it be set to xxx-gcc?
11:46.27gnifyeah, whatever you use
11:46.31catphishok
11:46.47gnifobviously I am using a gcc 4.1.0 compiler :D
11:47.15gnifwas damn easy to get going aswell
11:47.22gnifcrosstool is awesome
11:49.36catphishhmm it wont compile :(
11:50.13catphishcc1: error: invalid option `abi=aapcs-linux'
11:50.36gnifoh
11:50.47gnifrun "make magician_defconfig"
11:50.55catphishthat ran fine
11:51.14gnifyou already did that?
11:51.19catphishyeah
11:51.31gnifdunno, i never had that error
11:51.39gnifwhat distro are you running?
11:51.44catphishgentoo
11:51.51catphishit compiled the hh kernel fine
11:51.56catphishbut i never had to set the arch
11:51.59gnifyeah, i would say thats fine
11:52.03catphishit was defined in the tree
11:52.24gnifdoing it on the command is the same as doing it in the makefile
11:52.46gnifwhat does "echo $CROSS_COMPILE" give you
11:53.38catphishwait
11:53.43catphishi put it in the makefile
11:53.45catphishtesting
11:54.19gnifdid you set it to "arm-" and not "arm-gcc"?
11:54.29gnifor whatever your prefix is
11:54.29catphishi set arm-linux-
11:54.39gnifshould be fine
11:55.39catphishweird
11:55.58gnifcould be that you need >= gcc v 4?
11:56.17gnifhahaha
11:56.21catphishi'll try it
11:56.23gnifAuto-ignoring catphish for 10 minutes [MSG flood]
11:56.30catphishthats nt nice
11:56.34catphishi only sent u 1 message
11:56.40gnifmy client did it
11:56.48catphishi know lol
11:56.51gnifi get those HAS_TOUCHSCREEN ones
11:57.11catphishah i sent it all as 1 multiline message
11:58.23catphishi removed the compiler switch from the makefile and it works now
12:03.07catphishi'll find out how compatible the devices are in a sec
12:03.28catphishhopefully i can apply the alpine patches to the new kernel
12:10.24catphishwell it doesnt boot out of the box
12:10.27catphishno surprise there
12:33.47gnifsorry, my old man has no clue with linux
12:33.53gnifand its basically his job
12:34.47catphishlol
12:34.55catphishi found a patch for my original problem
12:34.59catphishso im gonna try that
12:59.29catphishi really should be able to make the irda work
12:59.34catphishmaybe i'll go back to that
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13:35.53gnifsorry
13:35.59gnifdough, he is gone
13:36.14gnifohwel, i am off 2 for the night
13:36.16gnifciao all
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19:55.50lilliputhello all
19:56.44lilliputi can't get the full topic on my little screen can someone give me the link for the mda pro?
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19:58.54rob_wlike this ?
19:59.44lilliputnope the one that have the opie or the gpe image
20:00.33lilliputthx rob_w i'm vnc my computer it will be better soon
20:00.58rob_whttp://gnulinux.biz/files/
20:01.09rob_whehe
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