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| 13:56.23 | kencausey | pb_: Hi, have you had any thoughts about the wiki replacement idea? I have to admit that I didn't give it a single conscious thought all weekend. |
| 13:59.06 | pb_ | kencausey: I didn't think about it much either, though AntiProxy and I did talk about for a few minutes yesterday evening. He was suggesting that PHPwiki would be good code to use. |
| 13:59.52 | kencausey | Yes, but I'll not that the only really "Wiki" thing we need is the rendering to html. |
| 13:59.55 | kencausey | s/not/note/ |
| 14:00.35 | pb_ | Well, we also need the ability to create new pages by mentioning a link to them. |
| 14:01.06 | pb_ | I guess there's still a fair bit of Wiki technology that we don't want, though. |
| 14:01.07 | kencausey | Hmm, I hadn't thought about that one. |
| 14:01.44 | kencausey | That doesn't sound hard to implement. |
| 14:01.56 | pb_ | No, it shouldn't be. |
| 14:03.01 | kencausey | Added that to Features list, thanks. |
| 15:23.42 | pb_ | Ah, it looks like PHPwiki supports using CVS as its backend database. |
| 15:37.46 | kencausey | After saying that the other day I realized that that's not really ideal for us. That would mean that CVS authentication would need to be linked to geeklog authentication. More trouble than it's worth I think. |
| 15:38.57 | kencausey | pb_: I think you're recommendation of RCS is sufficient and doesn't add complications. |
| 15:39.05 | kencausey | s/you're/your/ |
| 15:41.12 | pb_ | kencausey: If it's just being used as the backend there is no need for authentication, since Apache's own credentials would be used. If PHPwiki already supports CVS, maybe we can just use it directly. |
| 15:41.59 | kencausey | pb_: But what is the value of having it in CVS (repeating what you said Friday) if editting is not going to occur outside of the context of the geeklog web interface? |
| 15:42.54 | kencausey | pb_: My entire concept is that editting/creating pages requires authentication and attribution. Perhaps my idea is flawed, but there it is. |
| 15:43.05 | kencausey | s/attribution/ownership/ |
| 15:44.21 | pb_ | kencausey: Right, but geeklog is already going to be providing the authentication. There's no need to enforce permissions at the filesystem or CVS level as well. |
| 15:44.47 | pb_ | kencausey: CVS doesn't provide any value beyond what RCS does. But the code already exists for CVS, and doesn't for RCS. |
| 15:45.12 | kencausey | pb_: But if editting can be done through CVS without going through that authentication, doesn't that bypass it eliminating the value? |
| 15:45.56 | pb_ | Oh, I see. Only the apache user would have write access to the repository, which means you would have to be root to perform direct edits. |
| 15:46.05 | kencausey | pb_: I think perhaps there is design information in my head that I'm not getting across. Perhaps I'm overestimating what PHPWiki does. But I feel like trying to adapt my idea to PHPWiki or any existing Wiki is going to be Frankensteinish. |
| 15:46.33 | kencausey | pb_: OK, that would be workable. But what then is the value of having it in CVS above RCS files in the filesystem? |
| 15:46.59 | pb_ | None. Like I said, the only attraction of CVS is that PHPwiki already implements a backend based on that, and doesn't have one for RCS. |
| 15:47.29 | kencausey | OK, thanks. |
| 15:47.31 | pb_ | Hm, it's nearly midday, which means my hotel room is about to turn into a pumpkin. |
| 15:47.47 | kencausey | :) Better get packing. |
| 15:48.57 | pb_ | My thought exactly. |
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