| 00:02.06 | itsnotabigtruck | isn't it qtTrId? |
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| 00:59.03 | bef0rd | hi |
| 01:07.59 | Enforcer | awesome |
| 01:08.18 | Enforcer | i keep getting the same software update notification that i keep saying 'ignore update' |
| 01:14.19 | heymaster | Hello, sorry for such rude questions. Does it possible to get Nokia N9 for free ? |
| 01:14.52 | javispedro | send a few ones this way if you ever find a positive answer for that |
| 01:15.06 | ieatlint | the answer is entirely dependent on how fast you can run |
| 01:15.25 | heymaster | :) |
| 01:15.39 | heymaster | Ok, i will stick with my NOkia 500 :) |
| 01:15.58 | heymaster | Which doesn't not have GPU :/ |
| 01:16.55 | heymaster | s/NOkia/Nokia . still love this brand :) |
| 01:19.22 | heymaster | I own few iPods, but bought Nokia try Qt :) |
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| 01:25.11 | itsnotabigtruck | heymaster: is it possible? yes, well, it was at certain points |
| 01:25.17 | itsnotabigtruck | at this point, probably not |
| 01:25.30 | heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: ok :) |
| 01:25.30 | itsnotabigtruck | fortunately the N9 is a lot cheaper than it was before |
| 01:25.35 | ieatlint | not really even |
| 01:25.42 | itsnotabigtruck | it still feels disappointing knowing that most people here were benefactors of free hardware |
| 01:25.50 | ieatlint | N9s were given out at dev days, but that wasn't a free event, and not to everyone |
| 01:26.29 | itsnotabigtruck | there were also contests, and they gave some to ovi developers with popular apps, and there was the whole N950 thing |
| 01:26.41 | itsnotabigtruck | maybe some other programs i don't know about too |
| 01:28.03 | heymaster | I tried to win 3 times: Nokia Facebook, From Local Operator Facebook and submitted comments for Qt Examples :) |
| 01:30.37 | itsnotabigtruck | heymaster: your best bet is to drop the $400 or whatever it's going for these days |
| 01:31.27 | itsnotabigtruck | when i bought mine it kinda cost too much but now 64 gb N9s are going for OK prices |
| 01:31.37 | itsnotabigtruck | and i'd say it's worth it, some here would disagree |
| 01:31.54 | itsnotabigtruck | on the other hand you can probably get more for your money with android |
| 01:32.15 | itsnotabigtruck | forget about symbian phones |
| 01:32.21 | javispedro | wow, easy debian is very nice on harm |
| 01:32.22 | itsnotabigtruck | at least N9 has the power of linux behind it |
| 01:32.30 | itsnotabigtruck | once symbian is dead it'll be dead |
| 01:33.15 | itsnotabigtruck | i wish qole would buck it up and do the necessary tweaks to make it inception-friendly |
| 01:33.31 | javispedro | well it would be hard |
| 01:33.32 | itsnotabigtruck | it's not a technical problem, it's just that he hates aegis too much to look into it and make the minor changes |
| 01:33.43 | javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: what solution you propose? |
| 01:34.22 | itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: assert credentials on the launcher scripts, drop credentials on the inside of the chroot |
| 01:34.38 | javispedro | and developer mode? or something like that? |
| 01:34.40 | itsnotabigtruck | use aegisctl or something like it to disable the source identifier check while in the chroot |
| 01:34.44 | javispedro | ah |
| 01:36.05 | javispedro | with dev mode the problem is the brief moment where you are running a "" source binary as root right after chroot, and that could be fixed with aegis trickery indeed |
| 01:36.41 | javispedro | if that could be fixed, you'd not need openmode or cracking aegis |
| 01:37.17 | javispedro | e.g. a chroot binary with sys_chroot that spawns the inside-chroot process as "user" with acceptable privilege set for "" source |
| 01:37.39 | itsnotabigtruck | well, it's possible to make it work without aegisctl if you never need to run the chroot as root |
| 01:38.00 | javispedro | oh yeah, was thinking no one would do that :( |
| 01:38.10 | javispedro | (but it's false, e.g. apt-get install) |
| 01:38.14 | itsnotabigtruck | fakeroot? |
| 01:38.23 | heymaster | https://plus.google.com/photos/101246225765760153605/albums/5676725034432752433?authkey=CL6CubPszIulkAE << Was Nokia Swipe Challenge. I wrote program which plays automatically. But haven't win anything. I think there was cheates which changed Flash memory |
| 01:39.44 | itsnotabigtruck | heymaster: if you can afford the phone plan with data plan you'd need for the N9, you can likely afford the N9 |
| 01:40.08 | itsnotabigtruck | also, lol |
| 01:40.32 | itsnotabigtruck | with a lot of those you can just wireshark the communication from flash, modify the score, submit it with curl or the like |
| 01:41.16 | itsnotabigtruck | that said, the price of the N9 can be kinda hard to swallow, especially now that nokia has 0 commitment to it |
| 01:41.25 | heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: i'm now not employed :) |
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| 01:41.42 | itsnotabigtruck | especially since in many places phones are often subsidized by the carriers and a locked phone would go for $0 to $150 |
| 01:41.46 | itsnotabigtruck | not $400 to $500 |
| 01:43.06 | heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: ok, I have contract with android phone, so won't buy another |
| 01:43.34 | itsnotabigtruck | heymaster: :( it would be great to have another dev building cool stuff for the N9 |
| 01:43.39 | itsnotabigtruck | but i can't fault you for sticking with android |
| 01:44.11 | itsnotabigtruck | also javispedro: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1190263#post1190263 i'm guessing this is why you were working with XIM? |
| 01:44.14 | itsnotabigtruck | cool stuff |
| 01:44.24 | heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: operators prices of Nokia N9 is very big. In my country it's cheaper to buy from just resellers |
| 01:44.34 | javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: hey, you are faster than the "post confirmation" page |
| 01:44.39 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 01:44.47 | itsnotabigtruck | wtf, unlocked is cheaper than locked from carriers? :O |
| 01:45.03 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, i think the MSRP of the N9 is now 300E |
| 01:45.08 | javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: I was working on something else, but then I had the idea, and I had to try :) |
| 01:45.09 | heymaster | yes |
| 01:45.12 | itsnotabigtruck | the $400 price i was quoting was based on some importers to the US |
| 01:45.35 | javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: i think something nice can be done though |
| 01:46.00 | itsnotabigtruck | would a normal linux desktop be remotely usable in portrait? |
| 01:46.22 | itsnotabigtruck | since a landscape kbd would take up way too much room |
| 01:46.27 | itsnotabigtruck | and the current setup doesn't look so ideal :p |
| 01:46.28 | javispedro | well... |
| 01:46.43 | itsnotabigtruck | or maybe a custom low profile layout could be done for the keyboard |
| 01:47.12 | itsnotabigtruck | might be tricky squashing a full qwerty in there though...unless... |
| 01:47.46 | itsnotabigtruck | non-conventional input schemes might be able to be squashed in small enough space |
| 01:47.54 | itsnotabigtruck | e.g. each button brings up a submenu of 3 letters |
| 01:48.01 | javispedro | the fact that the n950 sticky keys now work is also a side added benefit =) |
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| 01:49.07 | itsnotabigtruck | 3 letters per button + 1 button for punctuation + space + shift = 12 buttons |
| 01:49.12 | itsnotabigtruck | 12 buttons could fit in one row |
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| 01:49.22 | heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: from reseller it's 390 euros, from operator 460 euros |
| 01:49.38 | itsnotabigtruck | heymaster: what? 390 euros, that's more than msrp |
| 01:50.02 | javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: I'd even use the std landscape keyboard with a proper smart resizing algorithm |
| 01:50.45 | javispedro | or actually the lack of one, maybe just keep it a 480 px tall but make it scrollable, or inteligently following focus (I think doable) |
| 01:53.35 | javispedro | well, gotta go |
| 01:54.08 | heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: Just web page, maybe phone was used few days I don't know. Then N9 was announced N9 from operator price was about 640 euros |
| 01:54.50 | itsnotabigtruck | 640 euros? :O :O :O |
| 01:54.57 | itsnotabigtruck | 640 dollars maybe, 640 euros, hell nah |
| 01:55.05 | heymaster | yes euros |
| 01:55.35 | heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: you live in U.S. ? |
| 01:56.44 | itsnotabigtruck | heymaster: yeah |
| 01:58.26 | heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: So you can buy 1 gallon of fuel and we can buy 1 liter of fuel in same price :) |
| 02:01.14 | heymaster | Apple computers prices so big in Europe. |
| 02:01.15 | itsnotabigtruck | lol |
| 02:01.23 | itsnotabigtruck | isn't the major reason for that fuel taxes |
| 02:01.35 | itsnotabigtruck | the us has fuel taxes too but i guess they're an order of magnitude lower |
| 02:01.54 | itsnotabigtruck | but at least in most european countries people get something out of their taxes |
| 02:02.17 | heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: most countries have about 21% taxes |
| 02:02.28 | itsnotabigtruck | also remember to compare electronics prices w/o VAT |
| 02:02.50 | itsnotabigtruck | prices in the us are never shown with sales tax included |
| 02:03.17 | heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: i can simply say: if you buy computer in u.s. for 500$, so in Europe it will be 500 euros :) |
| 02:03.51 | itsnotabigtruck | heymaster: but 500 eur - 20% = 400 eur = $525 |
| 02:04.06 | itsnotabigtruck | it's in the VAT |
| 02:04.37 | heymaster | itsnotabigtruck: so iPad costs 499$. This price with vat or not ? |
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| 02:04.50 | itsnotabigtruck | that's without vat/sales tax |
| 02:05.06 | heymaster | ok |
| 02:05.11 | itsnotabigtruck | though in the US there's a loophole in that when you order something across state lines you don't have to pay sales tax |
| 02:05.13 | heymaster | so everything ok :) |
| 02:05.33 | itsnotabigtruck | also sales tax is 5 to 10% and applied at final retail sale |
| 02:05.44 | itsnotabigtruck | whereas VAT is 10 to 20% and applied at every stage of the supply chain, afaik |
| 02:06.15 | heymaster | :) |
| 02:06.19 | heymaster | ok you right |
| 02:06.42 | heymaster | just prices to big for me, but it's my problem :) |
| 02:06.46 | heymaster | too* |
| 02:07.38 | itsnotabigtruck | taxes are definitely no fun though |
| 02:07.46 | itsnotabigtruck | income tax day is about to roll around in the US |
| 02:08.20 | heymaster | :/ |
| 02:08.21 | itsnotabigtruck | most people get a refund but that's a tiny portion of what they already forked over to the IRS |
| 02:22.42 | AndrewX192 | itsnotabigtruck: is their a site with directions for packaging for harmattan without using QT creator? |
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| 02:49.07 | itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: maybe? |
| 02:49.14 | itsnotabigtruck | it's more or less the same as for debian |
| 02:49.20 | itsnotabigtruck | look for info about debian packaging |
| 02:49.25 | itsnotabigtruck | because the procedure is identical |
| 02:49.41 | itsnotabigtruck | specifically packaging using a source package and dpkg-buildpackage |
| 02:49.48 | itsnotabigtruck | not hacky packaging with dpkg -b |
| 02:50.30 | itsnotabigtruck | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Alternative_development_environments_Platform_SDK_user_guide_Packaging_your_application_with_Harmattan_Platform_SDK.html |
| 02:50.34 | itsnotabigtruck | check that out |
| 02:50.50 | itsnotabigtruck | http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/guide/html/Developer_Library_Reference_documentation_Harmattan_Appendix_to_the_Debian_Policy_Manual.html this too |
| 02:51.27 | itsnotabigtruck | the plus side is that once you do this you can upload the DSC and TAR.GZ produced by dpkg-buildpackage to apps for meego |
| 02:51.30 | itsnotabigtruck | with minimum fuss |
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| 02:58.40 | AndrewX192 | itsnotabigtruck: what about with Aegis? |
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| 02:58.51 | beford | hi |
| 03:00.06 | itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: you put an xml file named debian/packagename.aegis in the source tree |
| 03:00.15 | itsnotabigtruck | it'll automatically get put into the package during the build process |
| 03:00.32 | AndrewX192 | itsnotabigtruck: is there, like, a template package or something? |
| 03:00.39 | AndrewX192 | I just need to package my VPN script :| |
| 03:00.50 | itsnotabigtruck | note that the auto-magic aegis embedding won't work on obs, you need a special trick for that |
| 03:00.58 | itsnotabigtruck | well, you could start with one of mine |
| 03:01.02 | AndrewX192 | Okay |
| 03:01.10 | itsnotabigtruck | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/files?package=ad-hac&project=MeeGo:1.2:Harmattan:Apps |
| 03:01.51 | beford | any alternaTive video player recommended? i cant queue videos on the default |
| 03:02.56 | AndrewX192 | Open Video Player? |
| 03:04.38 | itsnotabigtruck | AndrewX192: oh, also, in case that wasn't clear, the build needs to be done inside scratchbox |
| 03:05.15 | itsnotabigtruck | it's possible to build a package the hacky way on any debian system, but it's more complicated than usual due to aegis |
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| 03:09.36 | beford | AndrewX192, ovi store? |
| 03:09.44 | AndrewX192 | itsnotabigtruck: oh snap :| |
| 03:09.48 | AndrewX192 | beford: No, see TMO. |
| 03:10.27 | beford | okay. will check it later then. thanks |
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| 07:01.22 | theydrew1stblood | hi, can someone tell me which chan Windows Mobile developers use? I couldn't find it by googling |
| 07:01.46 | theydrew1stblood | don't say the 4th chan, I went there and it doesn't have phones, just cartoon porn |
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| 07:27.17 | PaulePanter | Is it possible to debug the Fenix mail client on the N9? |
| 07:27.55 | PaulePanter | Receiving and sending messages is kind of slow with one provider. There are no problems with Thunderbird though on a PC. |
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| 08:29.55 | Khertan_W | Morning |
| 08:37.31 | gabriel9|work | morning |
| 08:37.48 | gabriel9|work | is there a way to see number of downloads of Opera in Ovi store? |
| 08:37.56 | gabriel9|work | or any other app |
| 08:38.14 | Khertan_W | if you are the publisher, yes you can ? |
| 08:38.41 | gabriel9|work | but if i am not? |
| 08:39.17 | gabriel9|work | it should be some stats, they should not be accurate |
| 08:39.17 | Khertan_W | i don't think |
| 08:41.17 | Khertan_W | it s funny to see that khtpasswdgen is more downloaded from china, turkey, iraq |
| 08:41.32 | Khertan_W | while khtsimpletext is more downloaded from european country |
| 08:41.33 | Khertan_W | :)à |
| 08:41.43 | gabriel9|work | people like to install apps :D |
| 08:41.54 | gabriel9|work | they just sit and gime gime gime :D |
| 08:42.24 | Khertan_W | yeah but it s funny to see that china, turkey and iraq are more insterested in security apps :) |
| 08:43.19 | gabriel9|work | i did not know that |
| 08:46.00 | Richlv | gabriel9|work, is opera in ovi store ? |
| 08:46.07 | Richlv | i installed it from some deb... |
| 08:46.26 | gabriel9|work | yep |
| 08:46.29 | gabriel9|work | it is in ovi |
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| 11:59.33 | radiofree | opera would be great if it wasn't for that terrible vkb they use |
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| 12:17.46 | Velmont | radiofree: Agreed, -- I think we hit a bug on that, and the guy working on harmattan Opera was doing it between projects. Would be nice to fix it. |
| 12:18.38 | Velmont | Richlv: The ovi store one is newer. |
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| 12:47.03 | mankeli | hey |
| 12:47.38 | mankeli | is it possible to fix a MALF without flashing the whole phone? |
| 12:49.24 | dm8tbr | depends |
| 12:49.50 | dm8tbr | I think there is a kernel+initramfs you could boot to fix offending files and reset the malf file |
| 12:50.05 | mankeli | i created a package in scratchbox with dh_make and dpkg-buildpackage, and when I installed it on the phone it complained that it tried to update some aegis files (restok and refhashlist iirc) but couldn't due to insufficient permissions |
| 12:50.31 | dm8tbr | http://wiki.meego.com/N950/Fixing_MALF_state |
| 12:50.33 | mankeli | then when i tried to remove the package, it spat out /usr/sbin/enter_malf: Entering MALF state SECURITY Failed '/var/lib/aegis/restok/restok.conf' signature check |
| 12:51.29 | dm8tbr | dunno if this would help in this case |
| 12:51.43 | dm8tbr | someone else who knows the 'mechanics' better would need to comment |
| 12:51.55 | mankeli | only reference to aegis in that package was "Aegis-Manifest: empty" in the package control file, so wtf |
| 12:53.01 | mankeli | dm8tbr: what happens after I follow those instructions? do I have to flash the kernel again (back to the stock pr1.2 one) or what? |
| 12:53.22 | dm8tbr | no it only loads the kernel over USB |
| 12:53.37 | mankeli | aah i see |
| 12:53.52 | dm8tbr | I don't know about that restok.conf file |
| 12:54.09 | dm8tbr | you'd need to get one that's kosher' |
| 12:54.19 | mankeli | maybe it was just because that package installed some it's binaries to /bin/ and not /usr/bin/ |
| 12:54.46 | mankeli | ..some of it's.. |
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| 12:59.05 | itsnotabigtruck | mankeli dm8tbr: watch out |
| 12:59.23 | itsnotabigtruck | booting that kernel will put you into open mode until the next reflash starting with P1.2 |
| 13:00.05 | itsnotabigtruck | as for the actual error...wtf |
| 13:01.09 | mankeli | so i cannot just follow those instructions, remove those offending files from /bin/ (if that's the cause) and reboot? |
| 13:02.01 | itsnotabigtruck | nope, also, the problem is that the signature on restok.conf is broken apparently |
| 13:02.16 | itsnotabigtruck | you'd have to try and roll back restok.conf to something that matches the sig |
| 13:03.03 | mankeli | i wonder how the hell did that happen |
| 13:03.31 | itsnotabigtruck | that's what i'm wondering |
| 13:03.44 | mankeli | the package i tried to install, is this electrontu.be/screen_4.0.3-1_armel.deb |
| 13:04.06 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm not sure if the package itself is the cause |
| 13:04.14 | itsnotabigtruck | sounds like something just went horribly wrong in the install |
| 13:05.20 | mankeli | I did install that with normal "dpkg -i screenetc.deb" line but within incepted opensh, because there hasn't been any problems before installing packages in opensh |
| 13:06.48 | itsnotabigtruck | in the future if you suspect something could be up with refhashlist or restok.conf, don't reboot or install/uninstall anything |
| 13:06.50 | itsnotabigtruck | then it'll be too late |
| 13:07.01 | itsnotabigtruck | do accli -c tcb-verify -F /path/to/file |
| 13:07.10 | itsnotabigtruck | if it's valid it'll print out the contents, otherwise it'll error out |
| 13:07.27 | itsnotabigtruck | in order to resign you can do accli -c tcb-sign -F /path/to/file < /path/to/file |
| 13:07.43 | itsnotabigtruck | that last part has to be done from opensh |
| 13:08.28 | mankeli | okay. i didn't expect that anything was wrong because dpkg tried to update those files, but said that it didn't have sufficient permissions to do so |
| 13:09.24 | itsnotabigtruck | which is odd because it should, always |
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| 13:10.27 | mankeli | but should I still do that boot with n950 kernel and try to investigate? can I return from open mode easily? |
| 13:19.06 | itsnotabigtruck | not without wiping everything like i said |
| 13:20.34 | kimju | has someone already packaged mosh for harmattan: http://mosh.mit.edu/ ? |
| 13:20.38 | mankeli | oh damn. i thought only kernel reflash would be enough |
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| 13:45.30 | itsnotabigtruck | kimju: hm, don't think so |
| 13:45.32 | itsnotabigtruck | http://packages.debian.org/sid/mosh |
| 13:45.43 | itsnotabigtruck | grab the 3 source files and do dpkg-source -x foo.dsc in scratchbox |
| 13:45.48 | itsnotabigtruck | then dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -b |
| 13:45.56 | itsnotabigtruck | wait a little while and you should have a package |
| 13:46.09 | itsnotabigtruck | you might have to do some dependencies too |
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| 13:48.27 | mankeli | i had to also package that libprotobuf |
| 13:48.45 | mankeli | and the mosh launcherscript requires perl package io::pty |
| 13:49.57 | mankeli | i compiled libprotobuf and mosh in sb to .debs, but they will still need that io::pty. it's possible to install that via cpan on sb but i dunno how it is on the phone |
| 13:50.21 | mankeli | i didn't have chance to actually test the software on the phone because of this nice little malf incident :-D |
| 13:51.07 | itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: lol, that's a weird coincidence |
| 13:51.43 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, throw everything into OBS and submit to rzr's apt repo maybe? |
| 13:53.20 | mankeli | yeah, i the reason why i started tinkering with screen instead of that, is that my home router doesn't seem to allow udp through so I thought that I will test those mosh .debs when i get home :-D |
| 13:55.00 | mankeli | it's a nice coincidence indeed, but I don't know those mosh packages are safe (as in non-phone-bricking sense) since i also made those with same dh_make procedure |
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| 13:56.55 | itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: dh_make? |
| 13:57.01 | itsnotabigtruck | isn't dh_make for creating new packages |
| 13:57.12 | itsnotabigtruck | not building existing ones |
| 13:59.37 | mankeli | yeah well, I was creating packages from source tarballs |
| 14:01.32 | mankeli | i didn't know that mosh already exists in debian repo. the PPA that's listed on mosh homepage doesn't have source packages |
| 14:03.24 | mankeli | i wonder what's wrong in that restok.conf file, there's "package: screen" in the end and that's it |
| 14:04.29 | mankeli | otherwise it seems to be ok |
| 14:04.47 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, might be a good idea to build the official debian one since somebody presumably already put in the work to get the kinks out |
| 14:06.50 | mankeli | that perl package is probably the only problem. everything else compiled nicely |
| 14:08.24 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah but e.g. the debian stuff might have install hooks and stuff |
| 14:10.33 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, i gotta run |
| 14:10.47 | mankeli | ok |
| 14:10.48 | mankeli | me too |
| 14:10.53 | itsnotabigtruck | also, get in #inception! |
| 14:11.05 | itsnotabigtruck | there's not enough people in there atm :( |
| 14:11.09 | ciacon | I'm wondering if emacs(23?) is available... I sorta miss my org-mode on the go ;) |
| 14:11.10 | mankeli | sure :-) |
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| 14:49.06 | Jare | so, I went to local nokia care in the morning and they gave me a new device in the evening. Obviously I still don't know what was wrong with the old one.. :P |
| 14:52.44 | Jaffa | Hmm, started using MfE to sync my N9's contacts to Google (I want the N9 to be master) and every sync I seem to be getting duplicates at one end or other which I have to merge. |
| 14:57.10 | X-Fade | Jaffa: ovi contacts sync still on? |
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| 14:59.24 | GeneralAntilles | When have we not had contact duplication problems with Maemo? |
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| 15:01.40 | Jaffa | X-Fade: No |
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| 15:10.25 | Jare | DocScrutinizer, jonni: check a couple of comments upwards ^ |
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| 15:20.23 | DocScrutinizer | Jare: toldya they don't ever tell customers what's been the exact fault |
| 15:21.47 | jonni | but good that you got new device back |
| 15:22.26 | DocScrutinizer | exactly the kind of story I've heard several times for N900 now (modulo the "gave me new device" which will be "gave me N8" for N900) - I'd bet Nokia must have internal evaluations what's the usual common root problem there |
| 15:22.51 | Jare | yup, the customer service guy wasn't even the one, who serviced the device |
| 15:23.11 | DocScrutinizer | jonni: I guess those strictly hw errors don't usually show up in NB-bugtracker |
| 15:24.24 | DocScrutinizer | jonni: as already mentioned, no such switch on N900, so the problem gotta be sth else |
| 15:24.57 | jonni | or can just be 2 different problems not releated to each other |
| 15:25.00 | DocScrutinizer | and I'm sure Nokia EE dept knows about the topic |
| 15:27.20 | DocScrutinizer | mind you, I was EE at OM's hw dept, so I think I know what my colleagues would do when a certain error pattern shows up above statistical significance |
| 15:28.24 | jonni | Im only sw side, so I dont know anything about hw :) |
| 15:28.33 | DocScrutinizer | xray'ing chips is just one of the more usual less drastic measures taken, to find the root cause |
| 15:29.40 | DocScrutinizer | jonni: well aware of that - I hoped you'd know the internal phone number of your EE colleagues ;-D |
| 15:30.32 | jonni | heh dont care that much, if there is a problem I just hope that warranty will fix |
| 15:33.24 | DocScrutinizer | jonni: alas for N900 Nokia decided they don't care anymore and thus dumped spare devices - we're on our own to fix them, unless we wanna swap for an N8, during warranty |
| 15:34.12 | DocScrutinizer | that's the whole reason I kindly ask Nokia to provide a minimum of info regarding root cause of that rather common error |
| 15:34.14 | jonni | heh I have few extra N900s gathering dust in my drawers |
| 15:34.24 | DocScrutinizer | gimmegimmegimme |
| 15:34.29 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
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| 15:39.24 | DocScrutinizer | on a serious word: it's a reasonable fair request that Nokia shares as much of service documentation and existing written advice and background info as they can, if they decide to cease service for a device that's just a bit older than 2 years for the oldest of them |
| 15:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | hell, I still can buy new N900 (with much luck, alas) with 2 years of warranty, and Nokia doesn't have any spareparts to service them |
| 15:41.41 | DocScrutinizer | and one year ago you could buy new N900 on each corner, with 2 years warranty |
| 15:41.58 | DocScrutinizer | that's insane |
| 15:42.57 | DocScrutinizer | I'm thoroughly pissed by that policy, and I very politely ask to hand out info when they decide they can't offer service anymore |
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| 15:44.15 | SpeedEvil | Insane. |
| 15:44.33 | DocScrutinizer | so we could try to do service ourselves, rather than sue Nokia |
| 15:45.36 | mankeli | can i backup my messages and contacts manually somehow? or are they stored in some weird aegis stronghold |
| 15:46.15 | mankeli | by manually i mean that n950 kernel image which exposes the whole emmc as usb storage |
| 15:46.17 | DocScrutinizer | other companies actually got sued and sentenced for similar cease of service before reasonable timespan expired |
| 15:47.05 | jonni | most likely best contact for repair details or instructions is nokia care, as sw people have no contact for hw care people usually. |
| 15:47.29 | DocScrutinizer | I'd rather like to help, rather than flicking a dead horse |
| 15:47.50 | DocScrutinizer | janok, thanks |
| 15:48.00 | DocScrutinizer | jonni: ok, thanks! |
| 15:48.34 | jonni | mankeli: atleast there is commandline backup for sms messages in the forum |
| 15:48.49 | jonni | mankeli: and there is a commandline backup script, but I dont know if its public |
| 15:52.16 | mankeli | jonni: i wonder if you could tell me which files to copy if sharing the script is a problem? |
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| 16:14.36 | itsnotabigtruck | weird, my ssh keeps dropping every couple mins |
| 16:14.45 | itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: they're stored in tracker |
| 16:14.50 | itsnotabigtruck | no aegis involvement |
| 16:16.22 | mankeli | tracker? |
| 16:23.12 | mgedmin | http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/ |
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| 16:24.58 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Hi there Doc. You somewhere close? I would need a quick translation for a academic word. |
| 16:27.49 | DrGrov | Would someone give an variation of the word "Action" ? I am trying to figure out a better and more appopriate word for the context where I need the word. |
| 16:28.09 | alterego | DrGrov: that's hard if you don't give the context .. |
| 16:28.12 | mankeli | mgedmin: aha. |
| 16:28.58 | DrGrov | alterego: Sorry about that. The context is about suggestions and improvements about a final thesis I am workig on. Has to do with tourism and hotel business. |
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| 16:29.44 | SpeedEvil | Can you use it in a sentance? |
| 16:29.57 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil: Du är väl finlandssvensk eller hur? |
| 16:30.00 | SpeedEvil | 'to action' or 'an action' |
| 16:30.40 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil: If you are not a bilingual Finn it is no problem. I thought just to ask :) |
| 16:31.16 | SpeedEvil | Ah - OK - thought it was an english question. |
| 16:31.16 | DrGrov | I try to say: "Improvements and actions..." or would it be better with "Improvements and consequences..." |
| 16:31.36 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil: It is an English question but it has to be translated from Swedish into English for my final thesis. |
| 16:31.40 | SpeedEvil | They mean different things. |
| 16:32.04 | DrGrov | Yes, they do mean different things but how much difference would I need to put for the word "åtgärder" in Swedish when I translate it into English? |
| 16:32.13 | SpeedEvil | Improvements and actions is more neutral - improvements and consequences implies that there may be negative effects too. |
| 16:32.27 | SpeedEvil | No clue on that. |
| 16:33.16 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil: Improvements and consequences in this case would then sound more appropriate due to the end result of the qualitative and quantitative research is not guaranteed to turn out positive. |
| 16:33.49 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 16:34.11 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: improvements and measures to take/taken |
| 16:34.33 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil: A big thanks for your kind help :) Ett stort tack! |
| 16:35.14 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Hi Doc. You feeling any better yet? I think your suggestion is fitting in really well in this case. SpeedEvil had also a good suggestions, it is hard to choose which one. :) |
| 16:35.29 | SpeedEvil | Translation is always fun! |
| 16:35.49 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil: Was I correct that you are a "finlandssvensk"? |
| 16:35.53 | alterego | I think "Improvements and considerations" |
| 16:35.57 | alterego | But that's just me .. |
| 16:36.05 | SpeedEvil | No, I'm simply UK. |
| 16:36.13 | SpeedEvil | Scottish/english. |
| 16:36.18 | DrGrov | alterego: Ok, that sounds good as well. A third variation is always good to throw in the mix :) |
| 16:36.42 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil: Ok, I have been mistaken then. I do apologize, I do not know from where I got the idea that you are a bilingual Finn :) |
| 16:36.46 | SpeedEvil | At some point you have to wonder how much thought the person put into picking the original words. |
| 16:37.33 | alterego | Probably less than this ;) |
| 16:37.38 | DocScrutinizer | regarding "consequences" I suppose you fell for a false friend maybe: isn't conclusions the english word you meant? |
| 16:37.46 | DrGrov | SpeedEvil: It feels that the topic has to cover most parts of the actual qualitative and quantitative research I am conduting. |
| 16:38.57 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: It might be actually conclusions I am looking for. That would feel most appropriate when I translate it and think it in Swedish as well. |
| 16:41.03 | alterego | Oh, and there was me thinking it has something to do with "Inprovements and actions" :P |
| 16:41.10 | alterego | ~Improvements. |
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| 16:41.42 | DrGrov | Thanks DocScrutinizer, alterego and SpeedEvil for your kind help :) I am getting it now, sounds like suggestions and conclusions is the way to go. |
| 16:42.16 | alterego | I think just "Conclusions" .. |
| 16:42.49 | DocScrutinizer | or at very least "conclusions and suggestions" according to logic |
| 16:43.10 | alterego | Then I'd say, "Conclusions and considerations" :) |
| 16:43.21 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: Yes, of course. The logical way. |
| 16:43.23 | DocScrutinizer | or that :-D |
| 16:43.49 | alterego | Wow, the heavens just openned up and it's hammering my sky light window .. |
| 16:44.06 | DrGrov | It is "Conclusions and considerations", that is the final topic. |
| 16:44.09 | alterego | Can't tell if it's hail or not .. |
| 16:45.33 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: (feeling better) not really, another day off at work |
| 16:45.44 | alterego | Definitely hail ... |
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| 17:22.47 | itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: i'm trying to compile the MOSH deps right now |
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| 17:26.35 | itsnotabigtruck | crap |
| 17:26.39 | itsnotabigtruck | protobuffers wants java to build |
| 17:32.48 | itsnotabigtruck | ok, hopefully i just hacked java out of the debian package |
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| 17:34.42 | mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: that's why i also tried build screen from scratch, since the debian package wants libpam0 and texinfo |
| 17:41.10 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: oh you do try to port mosh? nice, what about making client as well? |
| 17:41.35 | ZogG_laptop | btw is there boost-dev for harmattan? |
| 17:42.26 | itsnotabigtruck | it seems not... |
| 17:42.39 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm working on protobuffers right now |
| 17:42.49 | ZogG_laptop | so if you build one for harmattan put it in public |
| 17:43.09 | ZogG_laptop | there should be devlibs.formeego.org repo =) |
| 17:43.14 | ZogG_laptop | X-Fade: ^ |
| 17:44.42 | mankeli | there is libboost41 or something similar |
| 17:45.28 | mankeli | at least it can be found from the repo thats configured in the harmattan sdk scratchbox |
| 17:45.34 | mankeli | and mosh builds happily with it |
| 17:47.04 | ZogG_laptop | mankeli: if you build it, when maybe you save itsnotabigtruck's time? |
| 17:48.42 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm trying to build it from debian source packages |
| 17:49.25 | itsnotabigtruck | for boost, it sounds like i can tweak the build dep then |
| 17:50.09 | mankeli | ZogG_laptop: i already did, but for some reason one of the packages i built malfed my phone. i haven't got chance to investigate it yet, but i'd rather not share the packages :) |
| 17:50.20 | mankeli | see conversation around 16:4x |
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| 17:57.06 | DocScrutinizer | bwahaha |
| 17:57.09 | DocScrutinizer | nice |
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| 18:05.29 | rlinfati | the battery of my n950 is 0volt :( , i need buy a new battery ?? |
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| 19:45.41 | bef0rd | ya gano colombia |
| 19:49.58 | itsnotabigtruck | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/live_build_log?arch=armv7el&package=protobuf&project=home%3Aitsnotabigtruck&repository=Harmattan |
| 19:50.01 | itsnotabigtruck | let's see if this works |
| 19:51.59 | bef0rd | lol wrong channel |
| 19:52.02 | bef0rd | hi itsnotabigtruck |
| 19:53.03 | mankeli | erm what |
| 19:53.09 | mankeli | my phone booted |
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| 19:54.15 | bef0rd | impossibru |
| 19:54.21 | mankeli | i booted it with n950 rescue kernel, backupped all partitions and after reboot it of course just went back into the malf-screen |
| 19:55.10 | mankeli | and it was there connected to usb for one or two hours (while i was downloading pr1.2 image for reflash) and then it suddenly asked for pin and booted to meegotouchhome |
| 19:58.11 | itsnotabigtruck | :O |
| 19:58.14 | itsnotabigtruck | that's strange |
| 19:58.23 | itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: get in the terminal and do accli -I |
| 19:58.25 | mankeli | how can i tell if i'm in open mode or not? |
| 19:58.28 | itsnotabigtruck | see if it's in closed or open mode |
| 19:58.34 | itsnotabigtruck | if you're in closed mode, resign your restok.conf |
| 19:58.43 | itsnotabigtruck | using opensh |
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| 19:59.09 | mankeli | all i did while in rescue mode, was that i removed that last "package: screen" from restok.conf |
| 19:59.50 | mankeli | current mode: open |
| 20:00.02 | mankeli | bah |
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| 20:01.40 | mankeli | this is behavior i was expecting after having booted the device with rescue kernel |
| 20:01.58 | mankeli | is it common that the malf continues even in the open mode? |
| 20:04.10 | jonni | yes if you screw up restok.conf or reflashlist without resigning, malf will persist untill reflash of firmware. |
| 20:04.43 | rlinfati | the battery of my n950 is 0volt :( , i need buy a new battery ?? |
| 20:05.13 | jonni | rlinfati: or just recharge, or if device doesnt start recharging you can always try external charger |
| 20:05.29 | rlinfati | the n950 do not charge the battery :( |
| 20:05.51 | rlinfati | now... i buy a charger or a new battery... ? |
| 20:05.56 | jonni | remove backcover and charge externally. |
| 20:06.15 | jonni | or how does it not charge, it does not show glowing white led? |
| 20:06.38 | mankeli | jonni: i see, maybe the manual editing of restok.conf did the trick then. but why it did wait so long in malf screen? |
| 20:06.52 | rlinfati | the white led is only on for 1 second and after off |
| 20:06.52 | jonni | mankeli: it malfs on next reboot |
| 20:07.43 | rlinfati | with a multitester i verify the battery and show 0 volt |
| 20:07.48 | jonni | rlinfati: and your put your device in a state where it tries to charge and not be in reboot loop? with ./flasher -i or similar command? |
| 20:08.08 | rlinfati | fhasher do not detect the n950 |
| 20:08.18 | itsnotabigtruck | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/itsnotabigtruck/Harmattan/all/ for some reason the package i just built on obs isn't showing up |
| 20:08.37 | mankeli | jonni: i mean editing restok.conf while in rescue kernel |
| 20:08.41 | jonni | usually I just give 0volt batteries a initial charge for 10minutes from external charge |
| 20:08.53 | jonni | charger and after that n950 manages to charge just fine. |
| 20:08.59 | mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: how did you solve the perl problem? |
| 20:09.05 | jonni | mankeli: are you in pr1.1 or pr1.2 |
| 20:09.10 | rlinfati | ok, tomorrow buy a external charger |
| 20:09.21 | jonni | of your in pr1.2 then rescure kernel itself triggers openmode |
| 20:09.21 | itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: the perl problem? for which package |
| 20:09.31 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm expecting a build dependency of mosh to show up there |
| 20:09.48 | petteri | how do I check battery status from command on N9 |
| 20:10.00 | itsnotabigtruck | protobuf is finishing up right now |
| 20:10.51 | itsnotabigtruck | for some reason skalibs wants to read a bunch of data from /dev/random during its build :/ |
| 20:11.53 | itsnotabigtruck | i wonder if it's doing something like int random() { return 4; /* chosen by fair dice roll. */ } :p |
| 20:12.13 | jonni | rlinfati: or use some other nokia phone with the same kind of battery? |
| 20:12.34 | mankeli | jonni: pr1.2 |
| 20:13.16 | mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: mosh has two binaries and a startup perl script which requires io::pty |
| 20:14.11 | itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: might it be possible to toss the relevant perl script into a build? |
| 20:14.22 | jonni | rlinfati: these are pretty usefull and cheap http://www.ebay.ie/itm/Desktop-Charger-Nokia-Battery-BL-5J-5230-N900-X6-/220603505792 |
| 20:15.02 | jonni | thats handy since it fits almost all sizes of batterys, I've used that one quite often |
| 20:15.42 | jonni | as it has moving spring it charges different sizes |
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| 20:16.43 | rlinfati | i can boot the n950 ( with other battery ) and swap the battery on cold ? |
| 20:16.44 | itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: i just tossed the perl module into obs too |
| 20:18.15 | mankeli | http://packages.debian.org/squeeze/libio-pty-perl |
| 20:20.34 | itsnotabigtruck | crap |
| 20:20.39 | itsnotabigtruck | dh-autoreconf requires a libtool that's too new |
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| 20:29.34 | HAMIDx9 | friends , what is the location of rootfs at /dev for creating a backup with dd ? |
| 20:35.07 | itsnotabigtruck | does N9 have /var/log/utmp / btmp / wtmp? |
| 20:35.22 | itsnotabigtruck | HAMIDx9: try doing mount |
| 20:36.39 | HAMIDx9 | none of them ! |
| 20:36.49 | itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: how important is skalibs to building mosh |
| 20:37.00 | itsnotabigtruck | HAMIDx9: ok cool, so i can get rid of that dependency with impunity |
| 20:38.50 | HAMIDx9 | itsnotabigtruck: mount what ? |
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| 20:39.20 | HAMIDx9 | when i try to repack rootfs.jffs2 |
| 20:39.46 | HAMIDx9 | its size 22 MB larger that orig ! |
| 20:39.54 | HAMIDx9 | and i cant flash it ! |
| 20:40.05 | itsnotabigtruck | HAMIDx9: just run mount |
| 20:40.35 | itsnotabigtruck | also, i gave you a brief overview of the process in pm already |
| 20:40.51 | itsnotabigtruck | you probably aren't doing it correctly, but you should rethink whether you really want to cook an image |
| 20:41.02 | itsnotabigtruck | it's ok if the size is a little different after sparsifying |
| 20:41.14 | itsnotabigtruck | it's not ok if the size is different before sparsifying |
| 20:41.23 | HAMIDx9 | 22 MB ! |
| 20:41.37 | HAMIDx9 | not cooking a complete image |
| 20:41.42 | itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: ping |
| 20:41.57 | HAMIDx9 | i think i can create a rootfs.img from my n9 |
| 20:42.02 | HAMIDx9 | and flash it |
| 20:42.14 | HAMIDx9 | thanks about mount -> /dev/root |
| 20:42.36 | itsnotabigtruck | HAMIDx9: what, exactly, are you doing to repack the image |
| 20:42.47 | itsnotabigtruck | and how did you build the original image |
| 20:43.00 | itsnotabigtruck | the image needs to be an ext4 filesystem of the exact same length as the partition on the N9 |
| 20:43.07 | itsnotabigtruck | to the byte |
| 20:43.28 | itsnotabigtruck | the SPARSIFIED image however can be all sorts of sizes depending on how it was created and what's in it |
| 20:43.32 | mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: not very? at least i didn't have any package with that name |
| 20:43.43 | itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: it's a dependency of the debian package |
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| 20:44.11 | HAMIDx9 | itsnotabigtruck: first unpack the orig bin DF... |
| 20:44.21 | HAMIDx9 | and then unlzo rootfs.jffs2 |
| 20:44.44 | HAMIDx9 | then mount rootfs and |
| 20:44.45 | mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: i don't have skalibs installed in scratchbox, and mosh happily compiled without |
| 20:44.54 | HAMIDx9 | create a text file at /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01proxy |
| 20:44.59 | jonni | anyways you cannot edit and reflash, without malf as checksums wouldnt match :) |
| 20:45.10 | HAMIDx9 | and sparsifying |
| 20:45.33 | mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: my package Depends: libc6 (>= 2.7), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1), libncurses5 (>= 5.7-1), libstdc++6 (>= 4.4.0), protobuf1, zlib1g (>= 1:1.1.4) |
| 20:45.52 | HAMIDx9 | so there is no way to flash just a rootfs ? same as n900 ? |
| 20:45.59 | mankeli | protobuf1 is the self-packaged protobuf, others are from repo |
| 20:47.58 | itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: https://build.pub.meego.com/package/show?package=mosh&project=home%3Aitsnotabigtruck |
| 20:48.02 | itsnotabigtruck | watch that space |
| 20:49.12 | HAMIDx9 | also it seems n950 rescue-img doesnt work on n9 16 GB ! |
| 20:49.19 | itsnotabigtruck | jonni: well, you can make trivial edits |
| 20:49.30 | itsnotabigtruck | or you can flash an image with files.tcb signatures made on your particular phone |
| 20:49.33 | itsnotabigtruck | it has its uses |
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| 20:50.04 | itsnotabigtruck | HAMIDx9: ok, so now you need to embed the rootfs image into a fiasco with the correct layout file |
| 20:50.08 | itsnotabigtruck | but i gotta run |
| 20:50.29 | itsnotabigtruck | be careful, you could do some really strange things to your phone if you make a mistake |
| 20:50.34 | itsnotabigtruck | bbl |
| 20:50.39 | jonni | well it depends on trivial edits, if inode changes on on protected file during reflash it can cause malf. |
| 20:51.01 | HAMIDx9 | itsnotabigtruck: also mount shows to me /dev/root but it does not exist |
| 20:51.39 | jonni | and your on openmode anyways, so its just easier to make tar file and extract that to root |
| 20:53.43 | mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: nice kernel panic |
| 20:55.27 | HAMIDx9 | if i try to create a tar of / in n9 it packs all such as /home /home/user/MyDoc and ... , right ? |
| 20:55.40 | HAMIDx9 | anyway to just tar rootfs ? |
| 20:56.02 | jonni | you need to add excludepaths |
| 20:57.59 | HAMIDx9 | so there is no /dev/XXX for creating a img with dd in n9 , right ? |
| 21:06.50 | itsnotabigtruck | lol mankeli |
| 21:06.55 | itsnotabigtruck | it always does that when it fails |
| 21:06.57 | itsnotabigtruck | even when it succeeds |
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| 21:08.43 | mankeli | :-) |
| 21:09.02 | ZogG_laptop | jonni and others, how would be difficult to add drivers to n9, and do i need drivers in order to connect to camera, i know there re android apps that allow you to take photos and control camera |
| 21:09.21 | ZogG_laptop | it calculates light and stuff |
| 21:11.07 | mankeli | i guess you could do that without any kernel-level drivers, but many cameras just expect that they are connected to a usb _host_ |
| 21:13.11 | itsnotabigtruck | you mean like an external camera? why? |
| 21:13.22 | itsnotabigtruck | and usb host mode is a ways off, i don't know if anybody is even working on it now |
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| 21:14.47 | DrGrov | Finally, I got that damn final thesis subject correct |
| 21:15.04 | DrGrov | Thanks alterego, SpeedEvil and DocScrutinizer for the help with the language barrier :) |
| 21:19.56 | itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: it finished |
| 21:19.59 | itsnotabigtruck | try this stuff |
| 21:20.16 | itsnotabigtruck | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/binary?arch=armv7el&filename=mosh_1.1.3-1maemo1_armel.deb&package=mosh&project=home%3Aitsnotabigtruck&repository=Harmattan |
| 21:20.32 | itsnotabigtruck | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/dependency?arch=armv7el&dname=libprotobuf7&dproject=home%3Aitsnotabigtruck&drepository=Harmattan&filename=mosh_1.1.3-1maemo1_armel.deb&package=mosh&project=home%3Aitsnotabigtruck&repository=Harmattan |
| 21:20.38 | itsnotabigtruck | https://build.pub.meego.com/package/dependency?arch=armv7el&dname=libio-pty-perl&dproject=home%3Aitsnotabigtruck&drepository=Harmattan&filename=mosh_1.1.3-1maemo1_armel.deb&package=mosh&project=home%3Aitsnotabigtruck&repository=Harmattan |
| 21:20.43 | itsnotabigtruck | (apologies for uber links) |
| 21:20.58 | itsnotabigtruck | also those last two don't contain links to the actual payloads...lol |
| 21:21.27 | itsnotabigtruck | http://repo.pub.meego.com/home:/itsnotabigtruck/Harmattan/armel/ here you go |
| 21:22.47 | itsnotabigtruck | libprotoc7, libio-pty-perl, and mosh |
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| 21:29.25 | itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: be advised that i have no idea if it works |
| 21:29.36 | itsnotabigtruck | you'll need libprotobuf7 from there too |
| 21:29.44 | itsnotabigtruck | it doesn't work in scratchbox, i just tried |
| 21:31.54 | ZogG_laptop | itsnotabigtruck: is it working? |
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| 21:32.33 | mankeli | libprotoc7? |
| 21:32.42 | ZogG_laptop | mosh |
| 21:34.15 | itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: well, does it work? |
| 21:34.23 | mankeli | just installing packages |
| 21:34.25 | itsnotabigtruck | it's not convenient for me to test atm and i don't even have a mosh server |
| 21:34.37 | itsnotabigtruck | hopefully this won't fubar your phone |
| 21:35.01 | itsnotabigtruck | :( |
| 21:35.05 | mankeli | well i think i will reflash rootfs tomorrow anyway :) |
| 21:36.11 | mankeli | dependencies are ok, and it starts |
| 21:36.20 | mankeli | but the shell says mosh: Crypto exception: Bad alignment. |
| 21:37.10 | itsnotabigtruck | bad alignment, eh |
| 21:37.14 | itsnotabigtruck | sounds like it's not alignment-clean |
| 21:37.24 | itsnotabigtruck | arm is picky about that |
| 21:37.58 | itsnotabigtruck | you can't read a 32 bit int at an address that isn't a multiple of 4 |
| 21:38.20 | ZogG_laptop | mips =) |
| 21:39.00 | ZogG_laptop | ok night |
| 21:39.11 | mankeli | yup, i wonder why they even allow addressing bytes like that ;-) propeller parallax for example already has 32bit as a smallest datatype |
| 21:39.21 | mankeli | *parallax propeller |
| 21:39.33 | mankeli | ZogG_laptop: night |
| 21:40.27 | mankeli | ok, if i try to connect my pc from phone, it says bad alignment and pressing ctrl+c goes to some weird non-working shell |
| 21:41.35 | mankeli | and if i try to connect my phone from pc, it just says "connecting" forever |
| 21:43.20 | mankeli | hmm |
| 21:44.24 | mankeli | apparently it's because of misalignment on that direction too |
| 21:45.30 | mankeli | because if i try to connect manually with mosh-client, the mosh-server on n9 surely receives something but just spits out "crypto exception: bad alignment" |
| 21:47.00 | itsnotabigtruck | hm, i thought the point was to connect from the N9 to a mosh server elsewhere |
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| 21:48.11 | sigmaorion | I there |
| 21:49.01 | sigmaorion | anybody has installer HDR Camera from OVI Store? I have PR1.2, installed it and it crashes when I tap the screen to take the picture... |
| 21:49.47 | mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: of course, but it doesn't hurt trying the other way around too :) |
| 21:51.35 | mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: by the way, why it is "bad" to run the system in open mode? i mean, at least on quick glance everything seems to be working so why bother to try to keep aegis? |
| 21:52.34 | itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: the disclaimer, also you can't modify the calibration data area (CAL), or do a system upgrade |
| 21:52.47 | itsnotabigtruck | it's tricky to get in or out of open mode |
| 21:53.03 | itsnotabigtruck | going into open mode doesn't get rid of aegis anyway |
| 21:54.54 | mankeli | i see |
| 21:55.43 | sigmaorion | itsnotabigtruck, hi! |
| 21:56.13 | sigmaorion | PR1.2 is nice, it seems to worl pretty well, didn't find anything wrong since I flashed it last week |
| 21:56.24 | itsnotabigtruck | cool |
| 21:57.05 | sigmaorion | *work |
| 21:57.39 | sigmaorion | is http://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/ the right place to look for existing bugs and report new ones? |
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| 21:59.59 | ieatlint | i don't think you can report bugs anymore |
| 22:00.43 | itsnotabigtruck | the last version ever is going to be released Real Soon Now |
| 22:00.50 | itsnotabigtruck | so it's way too late for bugs |
| 22:00.59 | ieatlint | and all bugs that will be fixed in a 1.3 release have already been determined (but no confirmation on whether there will be a 1.3 released) |
| 22:01.18 | ieatlint | have they confirmed 1.3 will ever see daylight? |
| 22:01.49 | sigmaorion | 1.3 will be the very last version? |
| 22:02.02 | ieatlint | yes, bugfix only |
| 22:02.42 | ieatlint | as i understand, the only chance for a fix after that would be due to a major security vulnerability ... but i'll reiterate i'm speaking as a person from the outside with no internal knowledge |
| 22:04.49 | sigmaorion | that doesn't sound happy... |
| 22:05.10 | sigmaorion | is pretty sad about this news :( |
| 22:05.43 | sigmaorion | will Nokia just support Windows now? |
| 22:05.56 | ieatlint | no |
| 22:06.03 | ieatlint | symbian still has life left in it |
| 22:06.23 | ieatlint | and if you believe the rumours, they're coming out with a new linux-based platform for low end phones to replace symbian |
| 22:06.31 | sigmaorion | meego died before symbian, I thought it wuold have some more life |
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| 22:06.46 | ieatlint | but meego harmattan will not appear on more phones |
| 22:06.47 | sigmaorion | why replace symbian? |
| 22:07.07 | ieatlint | because symbian is horrible :P |
| 22:07.25 | sigmaorion | symbian has many years and apps |
| 22:07.31 | ieatlint | more specifically i think the plan is to kill off symbian 3, and replace symbian s40 with this linux-based thing |
| 22:07.51 | sigmaorion | god help nokia... |
| 22:08.17 | sigmaorion | I love Nokia devices, but I think they've lost their way |
| 22:08.21 | ieatlint | yeah... tis sad |
| 22:10.21 | M4rtinK | any idea what Aegis credential is needed for backlight control ? |
| 22:10.39 | sigmaorion | what is really sad, for me, is to think on Nitdroid proyect as a replacement for a dead platform that I really love... in fact I don't like Android |
| 22:11.01 | M4rtinK | as my screen blanking prevention code works on the N900, I'd guess I hit another Aegis related issue :) |
| 22:11.13 | mankeli | itsnotabigtruck: why so many packages for mosh btw? |
| 22:12.27 | mankeli | and could you put the source packages online also? i'm hoping i have some free time at work tomorrow to check if can fix those alignment problems |
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| 22:47.10 | Krambambulin | hello. has anyone an idea howto get seconds for LockScreenHeaderClock? |
| 23:08.00 | itsnotabigtruck | mankeli: the source packages are in OBS |
| 23:08.06 | itsnotabigtruck | feel free to go at it |
| 23:08.36 | itsnotabigtruck | https://build.pub.meego.com/project/packages?project=home%3Aitsnotabigtruck |
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