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| 01:10.07 | robbiethe1st | Hey guys, do you guys know A, why installing firefox from the store on a N950 would fail, and B, why, after that, would x-terminal say "/usr/bin/aegis-session not found"? anything I can check? |
| 01:10.29 | robbiethe1st | Seems like some critical package is screwed up... |
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| 15:32.25 | Jare | DocScrutinizer: another microsim didn't work, so it's down to warranty... |
| 15:32.43 | DocScrutinizer | yep :'( |
| 15:33.43 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if that's the same problem still as with N900 BB5 |
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| 15:34.54 | DocScrutinizer | jonni: could you try to find out inhouse what's the result of investigations about root cause for BB5 hw failures? |
| 15:36.14 | DocScrutinizer | as now showing on obviously *all* N9.. devices |
| 15:36.26 | DocScrutinizer | models |
| 15:37.13 | DocScrutinizer | seems a weak spot of BB5 based hw |
| 15:37.44 | Jare | hmm? |
| 15:37.45 | DocScrutinizer | we'd be interested in how to take care or - last resort - maybe fix the issue |
| 15:38.15 | Jare | what's the problem with those devices? |
| 15:38.32 | DocScrutinizer | Jare: this class of problems you encountered is quite known with N900 |
| 15:38.52 | Jare | mmkay |
| 15:39.17 | Jare | and it's a hw problem? |
| 15:39.38 | DocScrutinizer | and I seem to recall some of the 300 N950 we knew of also suffered from same issue |
| 15:39.52 | DocScrutinizer | Jare: well, on N900 it obviously is |
| 15:40.56 | DocScrutinizer | even a mechanical problem possibly, as SpeedEvil found his N900 losing connection when he's pressing a certain area of ~4 keys on kbd |
| 15:41.17 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 15:42.26 | DocScrutinizer | speculations go to BGA soldering problems, which *could* get repaired by re-reflowing |
| 15:43.15 | SpeedEvil | Wasn't me |
| 15:43.20 | Jare | I would find a mechanical problem a bit weird, since the phone was lying on a flat surface and playing music from spotify, when the problem appeared |
| 15:43.21 | SpeedEvil | someone else. |
| 15:43.31 | DocScrutinizer | but only Nokia knows for sure, and I hope they actually do and are willing to share their wisdom, so users that are out of luck and out of warranty have a perspective |
| 15:43.52 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ooh, then shadowJK? |
| 15:44.53 | SpeedEvil | It'd be lovely id they'd do that. |
| 15:44.54 | DocScrutinizer | Jare: mech problem here doesn't mean a lorry ran over it. A poor solder joint can fail on random triggering conditions |
| 15:45.00 | SpeedEvil | I don't _think_ it was shadowjk |
| 15:45.06 | SpeedEvil | but I'm unsure |
| 15:45.53 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: but some of your N900 also had BB5 issues, no? |
| 15:46.34 | Jare | DocScrutinizer: yes, that's quite true. So when the warranty period is over, we should prepare heating our kitchen ovens ;) |
| 15:47.14 | DocScrutinizer | Jare: sth along that line, but only if we can find out good info on the facts |
| 15:47.55 | DocScrutinizer | if it's e.g. a bonding issue, then we're screwed |
| 15:48.06 | Jare | I wonder if lumia 800 could have the same issue |
| 15:48.28 | DocScrutinizer | I don't thik hooker800 has BB5 |
| 15:48.47 | DocScrutinizer | but sure it could have soldering issues for large BGA chips as well |
| 15:50.27 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes. |
| 15:50.49 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: lots of 'sim error' |
| 15:51.12 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
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| 16:17.02 | itsnotabigtruck | Jare: did you try flashing the cmt like i suggested |
| 16:17.26 | itsnotabigtruck | but if it's a bad solder joint that certainly won't help |
| 16:25.23 | Jare | itsnotabigtruck: yes, I forgot to disable the device lock and ended up flashing the whole device, but it didn't change anything. I also tried a different microsim and confirmed that the one I had issues with was working in another phone |
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| 16:50.30 | DrGrov | It is so quiet at #n9 so I thought I would ask the same question here |
| 16:50.31 | DrGrov | I gotta wonder... I have automatic energy saving set at 30% but I wonder... Does the low-power screen with the clock show that power saving mode is activated? Or do I need to open the lockscreen to see? |
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| 17:52.56 | jonni | DocScrutinizer: what bb5 hw failures? |
| 17:53.21 | DocScrutinizer | usually showing as "No SIM" |
| 17:54.03 | DocScrutinizer | though there are other symptoms as well |
| 17:54.45 | DocScrutinizer | just losing connection like if you were in subway, at random |
| 17:55.28 | DocScrutinizer | all sorts of error msgs from APE you could imagine related to cmt |
| 17:56.08 | jonni | DocScrutinizer: you mean this http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=5820 where sim card is not regognized if you eject your simcard too often, breaking the detection button? |
| 17:56.13 | DocScrutinizer | but for sue "No SIM" and frequent requests to re-enter PIN are most common |
| 17:57.07 | DocScrutinizer | nah, not exactly that, as it seems rather easy to triage and spot the error |
| 17:57.57 | DocScrutinizer | actually I doubt N900 has any such switch |
| 17:57.58 | jonni | afaik there has not been any bb5 hw failules, only mechanical ones, but I can be wrong ofcourse |
| 17:58.27 | itsnotabigtruck | there has to have been at least one |
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| 18:08.27 | Jare | maybe I'll just drop this to Keilaniemi in the morning, so you can decide which one is the root cause in this case, lol |
| 18:10.21 | jonni | atleast on quick look on bugzilla I cant find hits on simcard and bb5, one hit of dead sim card, but was operator releated, and fixed by new simcard. So my guess would be mechanical fault. But ofcourse nokia care will know better. |
| 18:11.35 | jonni | although if you havent been opening and ejecting simcard many times, its quite unlikely scenario too |
| 18:13.22 | Jare | yep, I've only inserted it once months ago, when I bought the device |
| 18:14.00 | itsnotabigtruck | anyone know of any free email forwarding services |
| 18:14.07 | itsnotabigtruck | that is, something i can point my MX records to in order to forward mail to that domain to a real email address |
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| 18:14.36 | jonni | because of spammers where arent that many free mx providers out there. |
| 18:14.45 | jonni | where=there |
| 18:15.30 | jonni | altough some domain providers do provide you free email forwarding for your domain |
| 18:15.46 | jonni | like godaddy |
| 18:15.56 | itsnotabigtruck | yeah, i was using the one provided by my registrar but then i changed registrars |
| 18:15.57 | Jare | I've been using google apps for my private domain |
| 18:18.26 | DocScrutinizer | jonni: Jare: I'd guess if there's a switch then there's a GPIO connected to it, and a way to query that in /sys |
| 18:21.17 | DocScrutinizer | anyway for N900 there's no such switch and we had several cmt failures, iirc shadowJK and SpeedEvil both encountered the problem |
| 18:22.17 | DocScrutinizer | as well as several other uses that dropped by at #maemo |
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| 18:24.58 | Jare | well it does change the icon, when a sim card is inserted/removed. So if there's a switch, it must be working |
| 18:25.59 | jonni | will be interesting to see what care will say that the fault was |
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| 18:54.22 | DocScrutinizer | only that they usually don't elaborate on particular hw defects, if you're lucky they tell you what has been done to fix it (mainboard swap, etc) |
| 18:55.17 | frals | only saw the No SIM/sim registering issues once but it was because the sim was pretty worn |
| 18:55.29 | frals | got a new SIM and works perfectly now |
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| 19:25.50 | itsnotabigtruck | anyone know what it means for a jingle (xmpp voice) conversation to be stuck at "Connecting..."? |
| 19:28.26 | rzr | itsnotabigtruck, u mean using google transport service ? |
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| 19:36.01 | itsnotabigtruck | rzr: it's using my own jabber server but i was wondering if anybody's experienced it with gtalk,o rsomething |
| 19:36.07 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm not sure what you mean by "transport service" |
| 19:37.22 | rzr | i never tested a jingle call on harmattan , sip is ok tough |
| 19:37.56 | bindi | gtalk voice chat works wonders |
| 19:37.59 | bindi | even over 3G |
| 19:38.36 | bindi | too bad on android the chat defaults to the loudspeaker, not the earpiece |
| 19:39.10 | petteri | heheh |
| 19:39.26 | rzr | which client the other side ? |
| 19:39.57 | bindi | hm? |
| 19:40.01 | bindi | google talk on android ICS |
| 19:41.17 | rzr | ok android |
| 19:41.28 | rzr | i not sure i have it on my ICS version |
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| 20:23.05 | Velmont | I just tried the gtalk voice thingy today, -- on 3G really nice. |
| 20:23.48 | Velmont | itsnotabigtruck: It works with jingle on other servers as well? Or haven't you been able to make it work at all? |
| 20:27.09 | rzr | Velmont, gvoice != gtalk |
| 20:29.33 | Velmont | rzr: Isn't gvoice just Jingle over XMPP (/GTalk)? |
| 20:29.55 | rzr | no |
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| 20:30.07 | rzr | gvoice is an other service http://voice.google.com |
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| 20:30.48 | Velmont | rzr: Well, I didn't mean Google Voice, but Google GTalk Voice (or sound or audio or I don't know what to call it) |
| 20:31.31 | rzr | the proper protocol is jingle xmpp extension ... |
| 20:32.19 | Velmont | rzr: So harmattan's gtalk audio call support is in fact not really tied to gtalk at all, it's jingle, then? So it should work with other servers. |
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| 20:33.05 | rzr | that's what itsnotabigtruck suggested yes |
| 20:33.21 | rzr | Velmont, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1190204#post1190204 |
| 20:33.30 | Velmont | rzr: Only that it didn't work :-) -- But he didn't say if it had worked before or with others. |
| 20:34.13 | rzr | we'll have to make some deeper tests |
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| 20:41.49 | krnlyng | hi i've just created an application for my n9 which simulates a touchpad (communicates with the pc via wlan) and it works pretty good. but i have a problem: i've created the layout with qtcreator and the design of the application sucks very much, how can i get it to look native? and also it seems to be locked to landscape orientation how do i change that? (i don't have much experience with qt...) |
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| 20:44.43 | jonni | use qml pagestackwindow and you get automatic orientation handling |
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| 21:02.52 | itsnotabigtruck | rzr: velmont was talking about gtalk/jingle i think |
| 21:03.04 | itsnotabigtruck | also whoa, join spam |
| 21:03.22 | itsnotabigtruck | anyway, Velmont: it, in theory, should work on any server |
| 21:03.39 | itsnotabigtruck | but when i tried it on my server, over 3g, it just got stuck |
| 21:03.48 | itsnotabigtruck | with somebody else on the same server |
| 21:04.07 | itsnotabigtruck | i'm going to have to make some test calls with logging turned way up so i can see what's going on |
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| 21:11.02 | itsnotabigtruck | ^^ uh oh |
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| 21:27.04 | pa | HEY |
| 21:27.07 | pa | ops |
| 21:27.09 | pa | hey |
| 21:27.11 | pa | question |
| 21:27.25 | pa | so now skype video calls work on N9 with this peregrine? |
| 21:27.37 | rzr | never tested |
| 21:27.59 | pa | im getting the phone tomorrow |
| 21:28.04 | pa | i+ll try then |
| 21:28.40 | pa | it would be great |
| 21:29.07 | pa | i was already considering the switch to gtalk, but without a native client for PC, it's a no-go |
| 21:29.18 | pa | (i mean, a native client supporting video calls) |
| 21:30.10 | ieatlint | uh, peregrine doesn't support video calls to my knowledge |
| 21:30.19 | ieatlint | just rechecked... their last update was in nov |
| 21:30.50 | ieatlint | and peregrine as i understand uses the base system's chat system, so it has the same limitations.. only gtalk supports video calling methinks |
| 21:31.22 | javispedro | they _do_ advertise skype video calls though |
| 21:33.59 | javispedro | (not saying it actually does them |
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| 21:35.01 | itsnotabigtruck | i thought peregrine uses its own GUI |
| 21:35.09 | itsnotabigtruck | not the system chat interface |
| 21:35.46 | ieatlint | i see a random website claiming that, but nothing on peregrine's own website |
| 21:35.48 | ieatlint | but maybe i'm blind |
| 21:36.06 | javispedro | ieatlint: nah, you are right |
| 21:37.13 | ieatlint | yeah, i'd be very surprised if peregrine worked with skype to add video calling support to their app |
| 21:38.00 | pa | maybe they reversed the protocol |
| 21:38.22 | pa | skype sources were circulating some time ago |
| 21:39.04 | ieatlint | i wouldn't say that's impossible, but it'd be highly unlikely |
| 21:39.18 | pa | (i might have downloaded that :p) |
| 21:39.46 | pa | anyway |
| 21:39.48 | pa | the deb is there |
| 21:39.57 | pa | i'll check it as soon as i can |
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| 23:18.29 | PaulePanter | pa: Do not Empathy or Pidgin support Video calls with GTalk? |
| 23:19.52 | PaulePanter | Regarding Fenix: Are there any ways to debug it? Receiving and sending messages seems pretty slow with a certain provider. But the provider works fine with Thunderbird on a PC. |
| 23:27.27 | itsnotabigtruck | PaulePanter: the do |
| 23:27.33 | itsnotabigtruck | but in the case of pidgin, on linux only |
| 23:27.40 | itsnotabigtruck | which is a real shame because most pidgin users are on windows |
| 23:27.53 | itsnotabigtruck | developers don't care and aren't fixing it |
| 23:40.45 | ieatlint | eh, windows support is more of a feature than anything else... |
| 23:41.18 | ieatlint | getting the camera to work in windows would require a lot of windows-specific code, so it's a bit more involved than simply compiling gtk for windows |
| 23:42.36 | javispedro | curses |
| 23:42.48 | javispedro | anyone knows where the /etc/locale.alias file has gone to in modern distros? |
| 23:42.52 | javispedro | like on harm itself for example |
| 23:43.04 | javispedro | ponders if I should look for systemd-locale-alias-plugin... |
| 23:44.45 | Termana | javispedro, on Ubuntu 11.10 the file is still located at /etc/locale.alias |
| 23:45.18 | javispedro | meh, it's gone on this gentoo at least, and stracing binaries reveals they don't even look for it :( |
| 23:47.12 | itsnotabigtruck | javispedro: check what the debian way to do it is |
| 23:47.17 | itsnotabigtruck | since harmattan would have inherited that |
| 23:47.32 | itsnotabigtruck | doing things the arch/gentoo/whatever way on debian tends to screw everything up |
| 23:47.59 | javispedro | the debian way is locale.alias, but maemo deviates a lot from debian her |
| 23:48.24 | itsnotabigtruck | oh ok :/ |
| 23:48.24 | DocScrutinizer | ouch locale |
| 23:48.27 | javispedro | e.g. posix-locales package |
| 23:48.43 | DocScrutinizer | glares at that notorious 21MB file |
| 23:49.01 | javispedro | oh |
| 23:49.14 | javispedro | interesting. |
| 23:49.26 | javispedro | mwahaha |
| 23:49.35 | javispedro | posix-locales is in nokia-binaries =) |
| 23:49.47 | javispedro | I ponder if one could consider that a GPL violation... |
| 23:50.06 | DocScrutinizer | oh yes, please! |
| 23:51.27 | DocScrutinizer | I laways considered it a major offense I have to spend dozens of MB of valuable roootfs space for greek, spanish, french, whatnot locale |
| 23:52.27 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, do you install it for the german locale? |
| 23:52.46 | javispedro | nah, not GPL violating ("Distribution and use is free, also for commercial purposes") |
| 23:53.09 | DocScrutinizer | and you couldn't even think "screwit" and revert to lang=C as then you get this tana-fi-* BS |
| 23:53.39 | itsnotabigtruck | the copyright file says it's lgpl |
| 23:54.01 | javispedro | itsnotabigtruck: that is wrong for half of the packages =) welcome to maemo! =) |
| 23:54.37 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: on the N9/50 at least locale-archive is way lighter because most of the stuff they have moved to whatever clone of gettext() Qt has |
| 23:54.58 | DocScrutinizer | meh yeah |
| 23:55.49 | DocScrutinizer | if it was tr() I'd actually be happy |
| 23:55.56 | DocScrutinizer | I bet it's not |
| 23:56.47 | javispedro | (afaik it is) |