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| 00:10.08 | lardman|home | I seem to be missing the MDeclarativeCache header file, is this a known issue with the beta3 SDK? |
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| 00:13.18 | Jare_ | vadimq_: yep, i was in the same situation a couple of weeks ago, but then i thought it shouldn't be too hard for me to write some scripts for using sip via an openvpn tunnel. And now here i am doing a much bigger project ;) |
| 00:15.15 | vadimq_ | Jare_: hehehe :-) Tends to go that way for me as well. Ok, I'll try to give it a try this weekend, and maybe we can cooperate on it a bit if I can find the time |
| 00:16.03 | Jare_ | vadimq_: my scripts only control starting/stopping the openvpn process/processes, so imo those options should be configured in the openvpn tunnel settings. I don't know if openvpn supports defining the mac address of the virtual interface without scripting, but tap and dhcp should definitely work out of the box |
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| 00:33.14 | DocScrutinizer | any hints on what'S that system update I got 2 days ago, on a 40-4 N9? |
| 00:35.33 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, meego terminal 0.2.2+0m6 |
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| 01:07.45 | bjv | hm.. i copied icon-l-rss.png from /usr/share/themes/bl*/me*/icons/ to /usr/share/icons/hicolor/80x80/apps/anomaly.png |
| 01:08.00 | bjv | .desktop says Icon=anomaly |
| 01:08.34 | bjv | Name field shows up, but even with the copied icon-l-rss.png the .desktop icon is still blank pink square in launcher.. |
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| 01:12.28 | bjv | *serves me right for clicking those Qt SDK deployment buttons |
| 01:12.40 | bjv | and assuming it knew what it was doing generating the .desktop |
| 01:13.02 | bjv | supplying full path for Icon parm == works immediately.. |
| 01:26.20 | b3ll | yup, I had to do the same |
| 01:46.31 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: i noticed it too, did you find out what the update to terminal does? |
| 01:46.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope, not yet |
| 01:47.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | shall I speculate? fix some too liberal policies in aegis |
| 01:48.05 | merlin1991 | :D |
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| 02:15.55 | DocScrutinizer | hell, I'm not trusting Nokia anymore, not even going to install a silly xterm update :-S |
| 02:21.07 | DocScrutinizer | I mean, let's assume I paid lots of money for that device, and I took my time to check *thoroughly* if each and every aspect of the OS meets my needs. No they come and push some updates onto that device which will break properties I carefully evaluated as working, even worse they tell me they are "fixing things" by doing so. Am I entitled to return that device for full refund then? may I even sue them to compensate the scattering of all |
| 02:21.08 | DocScrutinizer | the work I invested into this platform so far? |
| 02:21.49 | DocScrutinizer | s/. No/. Now/ |
| 02:23.19 | merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: it brings cut & paste |
| 02:23.31 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 02:23.33 | DocScrutinizer | thanks |
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| 02:26.02 | DocScrutinizer | still any potential commercial developer must be crazy to opt for this platform, when they never know if at all and when then for how long a $random_app will work until it gets broken its legs by Nokia pushing out a new policy. Potentially man-years of work were completely for the /dev/null |
| 02:27.27 | DocScrutinizer | figure a 50 man team working 4 weeks on a high end game, just to learn Nokia decides in 4 weeks they lock down access to some GFX bits which will be mandatory for that game |
| 02:28.53 | DocScrutinizer | sidenote last page on local newpaper: "Nokia platsec killed another company of 50" |
| 02:29.49 | DocScrutinizer | well, I guess that's what's been referred to by the quote in the middle of this factoid: |
| 02:29.51 | DocScrutinizer | ~aegis |
| 02:29.51 | infobot | http://www.developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Harmattan:Developer_Library/Developing_for_Harmattan/Harmattan_security/Security_guide , or "The purpose of this framework is: ... to make sure that the platform meets the requirements set by third party software that requires a safe execution environment.", or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing#Criticism, or http://en.qi-hardware.com/w/images/1/10/ME_382_LockedUpTechnology2.gif |
| 02:37.52 | DocScrutinizer | all the "third party" software I ever seen needed one thing first and most: a STABLE WELL DEFINED execution environment that doesn't behave differently than documented or reasonably to expect and esp that doesn't change to the worse in that regard with each new update |
| 02:40.59 | DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: you checked the manifest file against that of last version? |
| 02:41.19 | merlin1991 | nope |
| 02:41.44 | merlin1991 | I suppose yours is still the old so I can pastebin and you can pastebin a diff |
| 02:42.16 | DocScrutinizer | I mean the fact it comes with actually useful improvements doesn't preclude that it brings a worse policy as well |
| 02:42.43 | merlin1991 | where would I find the manifest? |
| 02:43.01 | DocScrutinizer | good question - where's the friggin aegis manpage? |
| 02:43.41 | DocScrutinizer | I guess you could find something legible in the .deb |
| 02:44.31 | DocScrutinizer | I doubt I have the old deb pkg on this coffin here |
| 02:45.25 | DocScrutinizer | there's that restok file somewhere? would it be the right place to look at? |
| 02:48.26 | DocScrutinizer | find /var/lib/ -name '*restok*' |
| 02:51.02 | merlin1991 | what's restok? |
| 02:51.29 | DocScrutinizer | RESourceTOKen? NFC |
| 02:51.41 | DocScrutinizer | anyway: |
| 02:51.45 | DocScrutinizer | Package: meego-terminal |
| 02:51.47 | DocScrutinizer | Source: com.nokia.maemo |
| 02:52.19 | DocScrutinizer | nuttin else, at least for meego-terminal. Could a pkg bring policies for other pkgs? |
| 02:52.39 | merlin1991 | dunno |
| 02:52.42 | merlin1991 | but that's still the same |
| 02:53.25 | DocScrutinizer | less +"/meego-terminal" /var/lib/aegis/restok/restok.conf |
| 02:54.19 | merlin1991 | see ^^ |
| 02:54.26 | merlin1991 | it's still just the source == nokia |
| 02:54.32 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 02:56.07 | villager | I don't think the terminal would have aegis restrictions, any restrictions on what you can do would probably be imposed by the shell spawned by the terminal, not by the terminal itself... after all, they'd want any restrictions to also apply to shells spawned by sshd and such, right? |
| 02:56.28 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 02:58.22 | DocScrutinizer | I'd love to say "just kidding" but actually I'm not, though I'm aware this particular update probably is "safe" |
| 02:58.57 | DocScrutinizer | while OTOH I don't mind anymore, I gave up on all this |
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| 02:59.55 | villager | wonder if it's Mr. Flop trying to restrict the openness of the platform |
| 03:01.44 | DocScrutinizer | trying?? seems they are already there |
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| 03:06.19 | DocScrutinizer | we already got a situation where anything that's not specified and exported in recent API of QML rather is sth that already is implicitly and shortly will be explicitly prohibited |
| 03:10.51 | DocScrutinizer | and you can scratch generic Qt stuff like dbus-send() in that equation, as for example you could send a dbus msg to mce to "please make indicator LED flash a pattern that'S already predefined in /etc/mce/mce.ini, KTHNX" but, surprise surprise, this is deemed "dangerous" by aegis and thus won't work though all the bits are in place and documented as good as it gets with Nokia regarding docs |
| 03:12.32 | dymaxion | Hi, i'm plagued by constant 100% cpu use due to tracker, I can't seem to stop it draining my battery in a couple of hours flat. :-( ideas? I tried removing the .cache/tracker directory and rebooting didn't help.. it was down to 2% cpu this morning, then it just kicked off again don't know what triggered it, maybe opening contacts app ? i dunno |
| 03:13.56 | DocScrutinizer | known problem, unknown solution, unclear cause |
| 03:14.26 | dymaxion | :-( darn... reset phone i read somewhere didn't help either... |
| 03:14.43 | dymaxion | maybe a clean flash :-( which means setup all over again ..grr |
| 03:15.13 | dymaxion | anyway I can disable the tracker daemon? is it there to speed up file access / db / or is it integral to the system? |
| 03:18.57 | DocScrutinizer | it's a core component |
| 03:19.03 | DocScrutinizer | *ALAS* |
| 03:19.14 | DocScrutinizer | silly idea |
| 03:19.39 | villager | e.g. contacts are stored in tracker itself I think |
| 03:19.56 | DocScrutinizer | leme put it this way: QML doesn't even ship a file picker dialog any more |
| 03:20.15 | bjv | ! |
| 03:20.20 | bjv | androidization? |
| 03:21.25 | DocScrutinizer | kinda, or redoing the worms in $fruitphone, while the worms there were finally killed |
| 03:22.33 | bjv | ah well. |
| 03:24.35 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest you pester Nokia care center ;-) |
| 03:34.28 | dymaxion | villager, I guess that would make sense, that launching contacts triggered tracker 100% :-( |
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| 04:53.13 | b3ll | has anyone used DocumentGalleryModel in qml much? |
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| 07:03.57 | npm | b3ll: not enough, but i'd like to hear of your experiences w/ it... especially for fishing out tracker-metadata such as GPS positions out of media (see http://code.google.com/p/voicetogoog/#Future ) |
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| 09:20.24 | gri | tomma: Create dynamic links? I did this that QtCreator finds the constants.js of qt-components |
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| 10:01.13 | lardman|home | tries to work out why photoanalyser decodes a barcode perfectly, but mBarcode doesn't, even though the output looks pretty much identical |
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| 10:25.37 | jonni | DocScrutinizer: 40-4 == PR1.1, and newest meego terminal added copy/paster support. |
| 10:34.30 | jonni | I usually dont worry about package updates, since if some package loses capabilities, its still quite easy to install own custom package as com.nokia.maemo on top of it. Just like when develsh lost origin, I just added it back. |
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| 11:35.46 | Jaffa | lardman|home: mBarcode on Harmattan would be lovely |
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| 11:46.13 | hiemanshu | Jaffa: there is https://projects.developer.nokia.com/QZXing, you'll have to compile it yourself |
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| 12:01.15 | gri | jonni: How do you add it back? Would be nice to know if this fixes my bug |
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| 13:55.15 | gri | did anyone else have to add his id_rsa.pub again to gitorious? Mine was already on the list but they denied pushing from today. Added the same key again and it worked. |
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| 14:02.35 | Venemo | is it just me, or the N950 is indeed just beautiful? |
| 14:05.46 | gri | no it really is |
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| 14:05.58 | gri | I don't use the n9 since I like the n950 so much :) |
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| 14:06.50 | Venemo | :D |
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| 14:09.29 | Venemo | ~seen wazd |
| 14:09.29 | infobot | wazd is currently on #maemo (4h 51m 37s) #harmattan (4h 51m 37s) #meego (4h 51m 37s), last said: 'Milhouse: easter egg for geeks? :)'. |
| 14:09.34 | Venemo | wazd, ping |
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| 14:12.19 | wazd | Venemo: wazzup? :) |
| 14:12.48 | Venemo | wazd, I'll query you |
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| 14:30.26 | gri | anyone has an idea how to force the theme daemon to load new images into cache? |
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| 15:38.34 | DocScrutinizer | jonni: you're triggering some thoughts on a number of us ;-D |
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| 16:56.29 | lardman|home | Jaffa: sorry for the slow response, missed the message |
| 16:56.49 | lardman|home | yeah, I've been working on it, but have had some teething troubles |
| 16:59.20 | gri | yeah cool, you can kill the system if you accidentally exec the themedaemon and ctrl-c it again ... |
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| 17:26.21 | lardman|home | I bet when I eventually find the problem, it will be the smallest most trivial thing |
| 17:27.27 | SpeedEvil | Naah. I bet it'll be really important, and time consuming requiring rewriting the whole platform. |
| 17:27.44 | lardman|home | :) |
| 17:28.15 | lardman|home | doubtful, I really can't see what it is, the input data are as close as possible to identical, but in one case it works, in the other it doesn't |
| 17:28.32 | SpeedEvil | Hmm |
| 17:31.37 | lardman|home | very odd, in once case am scanning for barcodes from jpegs saved by the camera app, and that works fine, in the other am scanning for barcodes from QVideoFrames |
| 17:32.13 | lardman|home | but in both cases the data to be scanned are identical in format, 8-bit grayscale after conversion, proven by writing the raw data out from both apps |
| 17:32.58 | lardman|home | frame size doesn't matter either, have saved data from the QVideoFrame version to a jpeg, then scanned it and it's decoded fine |
| 17:34.02 | SpeedEvil | Are you sure you're actually decoding what you think you're decoding? |
| 17:34.19 | SpeedEvil | It's not doing a blank frame or something wierd? |
| 17:34.56 | lardman|home | no, I've written the data out to a file and it's the right format and contains the image |
| 17:36.56 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 17:36.58 | SpeedEvil | Odd |
| 17:38.04 | lardman|home | The confounding factor is that ZXing (or rather the example code) uses a class to convert from the raw input data to a Luminance image |
| 17:38.23 | lardman|home | I have been saving the getMatrix() output (i.e. a large chunk) |
| 17:38.45 | lardman|home | but I wonder if the ZXing code actually reads a row at a time, I should double check that is producing the correct output |
| 17:39.03 | lardman|home | s/example code/example code and therefore the code I've written to use the lib |
| 17:40.36 | lardman|home | hmm, I wonder if that is it, I've spotted a mistake in that code already |
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| 17:42.47 | lardman|home | hmm and that was indeed the problem |
| 17:43.10 | lardman|home | removes all the temporary file outputs he had to add in, from the wrong function |
| 17:43.12 | lardman|home | doh! |
| 17:46.12 | lardman|home | what is it they say about assumptions..., I guess I should have investigated the ZXing code first of all, ah well |
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| 17:46.54 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 18:28.14 | ajalkane | hello |
| 18:39.57 | lardman|home | hi |
| 18:41.09 | ajalkane | hows the newborn lardy? |
| 18:41.15 | lardman|home | crying atm |
| 18:41.27 | lardman|home | not so newborn any more, 3 months + 1 week tomorrow |
| 18:41.29 | ajalkane | Healthy babu tjem |
| 18:41.33 | ajalkane | * then |
| 18:41.34 | lardman|home | yeah :) |
| 18:41.52 | ajalkane | My 1 year old went to sleep a while ago. Coding time! |
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| 18:42.17 | lardman|home | lol |
| 18:42.34 | lardman|home | wife and baby are heading to visit her mother tomorrow, so coding Sunday for me |
| 18:43.08 | lardman|home | as well as raking the leaves, doing the shopping, watching some of the myriad programmes I've recorded about engineering stuff and have not been allowed to watch ;) |
| 18:43.12 | ajalkane | Lucky you. I'm gonna do a coding frenzy with help of alcohol and other assorted enhancing drugs now as wife is away and children are asleep. |
| 18:43.30 | lardman|home | alcohol helps the children sleep? ;) |
| 18:43.52 | ajalkane | Don't give me THAT good ideas |
| 18:43.56 | lardman|home | lol |
| 18:44.50 | ajalkane | So your baby is at the age when it smashes with hand everything in sight, trying to do a mess? |
| 18:48.48 | lardman|home | well she grabs things, or tries to, and normally leaves you with fingernail scars :) |
| 18:49.15 | lardman|home | surprising how sharp those things are! |
| 18:49.37 | ajalkane | Yeah. It's like evolution made them a vicious predator. |
| 18:50.23 | lardman|home | well vicious if you happen to lean over her anyway, not rolling over yet, but she looks like she'd like to be doing more than lying on her back |
| 18:50.34 | ajalkane | Even as a 1 year old my son is efficient at scratching me. He studies my nose, grabs it, and hurts me with scratching. |
| 18:50.49 | lardman|home | :D |
| 18:51.11 | lardman|home | thumb in nostril grab |
| 18:51.13 | ajalkane | She'll be crawling in no time when the interest shows |
| 18:51.45 | lardman|home | yeah, amazing how quickly things change - neck really quite strong now and was really floppy a couple of weeks back |
| 18:51.46 | ajalkane | I every time fall for it. He looks so cute studying, and it's just a little baby, so I let it grab my nose. Ouch... |
| 18:52.01 | lardman|home | :) |
| 18:52.44 | ajalkane | Yeah that's great time. Lots of things happening. |
| 18:52.44 | lardman|home | investigates QML listview models from C++ |
| 18:52.53 | lardman|home | true |
| 18:53.07 | ajalkane | ListView's from C++ is another fascinating subject, bound to take a lot of time. |
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| 18:53.16 | lardman|home | yeah, that's my worry! |
| 18:53.28 | lardman|home | she may be walking first..... |
| 18:53.45 | ajalkane | hehe yeah... well good luck, study fast :) |
| 19:03.04 | dm8tbr | javispedro: I'm starting to figure out the LiveView. So far it's not really 'just a framebuffer' (although I suspect you could emulate that), but a quite nice framework |
| 19:03.34 | lardman|home | dm8tbr: so can you replace the applications, or at least tell it what to display? |
| 19:03.41 | javispedro | dm8tbr: if you have to send the notifications as plain text, I envisioned that could happen and sowatch supports that |
| 19:03.49 | lardman|home | so you're not limited to what comes with it that is |
| 19:04.00 | dm8tbr | javispedro: yes, I can send it plain text notifications |
| 19:04.19 | dm8tbr | lardman|home: it's more like a minimalistic 'ui framework' |
| 19:04.47 | dm8tbr | I dropped a video the other day, need to still write a blog post... |
| 19:05.04 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro, is there any way to get MMS notifications to display the text? |
| 19:05.05 | dm8tbr | http://www.bfst.de/liveview/ |
| 19:05.19 | GeneralAntilles | This stupid "Group MMS" shit that iOS 5 has got is infuriating. |
| 19:05.27 | lardman|home | thanks dm8tbr |
| 19:05.33 | javispedro | GeneralAntilles: auiu, you need to trigger a data connection to fetch MMS contents |
| 19:05.35 | lardman|home | GAN, you've not defected have you? |
| 19:05.47 | GeneralAntilles | lardman|home, no, everybody I know has iOS |
| 19:05.55 | dm8tbr | video quality stinks, but that's the best I could do at that time |
| 19:06.05 | GeneralAntilles | and there's this stupid new feature called Group MMS which binds a bunch of different contacts into a single "chat" |
| 19:06.05 | lardman|home | np |
| 19:06.39 | dm8tbr | what you see is that python example code |
| 19:06.52 | ajalkane | I don't understand why'd anyone use MMS's at all with smartphone. At least in Finland they're quite expensive. |
| 19:07.18 | dm8tbr | http://code.google.com/p/adqmisc/source/browse/trunk/liveview/LiveViewServer.py |
| 19:07.18 | GeneralAntilles | Pretty much free with the plan I've got. |
| 19:08.22 | ajalkane | In that case they might be convenient. I miss the ability to compress videos/pictures when sharing with e-mail with N950. MMS does that. |
| 19:08.25 | lardman|home | N950 is odd with MMS, I get a message telling me a website that I can use to download the message, then the message itself |
| 19:08.31 | lardman|home | probably Vodafone's fault |
| 19:08.44 | ajalkane | Sounds like vodafone. I get the MMSs directly. |
| 19:09.23 | GeneralAntilles | How do people cope with the fake multitasking on iOS? |
| 19:09.30 | GeneralAntilles | and whatever it is they've got on Android. |
| 19:09.44 | ajalkane | They fake satisfaction. It happens. |
| 19:10.15 | lardman|home | Android does multitasking doesn't it? I do have the fact you don't quite know whether something is open or not though |
| 19:10.21 | dm8tbr | lardman|home: have you ever sent a MMS from your N950? |
| 19:10.31 | lardman|home | Not that I've seen Android for a while on my Tab, been testing Nemo |
| 19:10.46 | lardman|home | dm8tbr: yeah I tried and it was rejected |
| 19:10.54 | lardman|home | might have been the phone I was sending it to, not sure |
| 19:10.59 | ajalkane | The mobile OS landscape feels a lot like the end of 80's computers. With all that bullshit co-operative multitasking and other tricks. |
| 19:11.15 | dm8tbr | lardman|home: because many networks determine MMS capability based on if the device ever sent an MMS |
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| 19:12.21 | lardman|home | ah I see, well I do receive them, just with another message too |
| 19:12.33 | javispedro | lardman|home: Android multitasks, the problems I've had is that system autokills your app when it pleases and hitting power button suspends your app unless you specifically request otherwise |
| 19:13.34 | lardman|home | javispedro: yeah I've never looked to see whether anything is done while it's not fg |
| 19:13.40 | lardman|home | bbiam, baby holding |
| 19:15.54 | javispedro | dm8tbr: you have the source for that? |
| 19:23.26 | lardman|home | my opensuse laptop seemsunwilling to play those, will have to try pc later |
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| 19:36.15 | GeneralAntilles | lardman|home, get a MetaWatch yet? |
| 19:38.05 | dm8tbr | javispedro: you mean http://code.google.com/p/adqmisc/source/browse/trunk/liveview/ ? |
| 19:38.22 | javispedro | dm8tbr: I mean your test, or is that what you get when you run that snippet as is? |
| 19:38.50 | javispedro | aah |
| 19:38.51 | dm8tbr | javispedro: yes pretty much, there was a one byte change, but not sure if necessary |
| 19:39.37 | dm8tbr | I need to borrow an android phone and try to trace some more of the protocol to understand it better |
| 19:40.08 | dm8tbr | one very important bit I want to figure out is how to wake up the watch and push a incoming call notification |
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| 19:54.29 | javispedro | the battery life on my N950 seems to be inversely proportional to the number of dead pixels on the LCD |
| 19:54.53 | javispedro | I now have around ~24 dead pixels and battery doesn't last through an afternoon |
| 19:55.15 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 19:55.23 | ajalkane | kind strange... you'd think they'd optimize dead pixels to not use power :) |
| 19:55.56 | MohammadAG | Does the screen suck that much? |
| 19:56.19 | javispedro | I don't have the data |
| 19:56.47 | javispedro | what seems to be true is that once you get the first dead pixel it's game over, as the blob starts growing and even moving |
| 19:57.00 | javispedro | weirdo. |
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| 19:57.08 | hiemanshu | yeah, its a mechanical thing |
| 19:57.15 | hiemanshu | or something weird |
| 19:57.56 | MohammadAG | javispedro: Ask for a replacement |
| 19:58.08 | javispedro | now that I have the touchpad btw, have to say its screen is superb and way better than the N950 |
| 19:58.20 | javispedro | (willing to compare to an N9/AMOLED) |
| 19:58.31 | MohammadAG | Nothing beats the galaxy's screen tbh |
| 19:58.51 | Venemo | javispedro, you've fallen to the dark side! :( |
| 19:59.03 | javispedro | like qole! |
| 19:59.11 | MohammadAG | The dark side isnt that dark |
| 19:59.33 | MohammadAG | I mean, i have 3 iDevices and its not THAT bad |
| 19:59.45 | lardman|home | GeneralAntilles: no, though looks quite tempting :) |
| 19:59.48 | ajalkane | You could even argue the eLoppy side is the dark side |
| 19:59.54 | javispedro | MohammadAG: Vade Retro! |
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| 20:01.08 | djszapi | hi wazd, still no time for Ui design ? ;) |
| 20:01.14 | lardman|home | Hey the only reason to possess an Android device is to port Nemo to it |
| 20:01.27 | djszapi | and KDE ... |
| 20:01.36 | lardman|home | yeah, plasma one |
| 20:01.38 | djszapi | zz_gri: ping whenever you wake up :) |
| 20:01.40 | djszapi | lardman|home: no... |
| 20:01.43 | javispedro | lardman|home: probably hard on those qualcomms due to gfx.. |
| 20:01.52 | djszapi | lardman|home: no workspace replacement, just applications on Android imo. |
| 20:01.54 | lardman|home | and my hummingbird |
| 20:02.31 | ajalkane | I wouldn't diss on android too much. After the Harmattan/MeeGo holocaust it's the only semi-open platform left. |
| 20:02.34 | GeneralAntilles | lardman |
| 20:02.37 | GeneralAntilles | Worth it. |
| 20:02.49 | lardman|home | Ubuntu would be pretty easy to run, but the apps aren't finger optimised, but then I need to get opengles hw accel working for nemo to be useful, catch 22 |
| 20:03.18 | lardman|home | ajalkane: sure, and it works pretty well tbh, I've had a Galaxy Tab for more than a year now |
| 20:03.30 | lardman|home | ajalkane: if only it weren't Java.... |
| 20:03.36 | djszapi | it is working pretty well, nowadays we even have Qt... |
| 20:03.40 | djszapi | it is not just java... |
| 20:03.53 | lardman|home | more faffing to do native stuff though isn't there? |
| 20:04.15 | javispedro | even the blackberry has Qt, and no one seems to mention it |
| 20:04.25 | javispedro | and unlike Android they even did the port on their own |
| 20:04.27 | djszapi | actually, even qtopengl works. |
| 20:04.43 | lardman|home | GeneralAntilles: you have one? I'm not sure about the up front cost |
| 20:04.48 | ajalkane | lardman|home: yeah my wife has Galaxy SII. It's fine. I vastly prefer Harmattan still. But in two years, if there's no Harmattan successors it's where I'll go to. The Java thing irks me too. Such a waste of CPU cycles on limited devices. |
| 20:05.30 | djszapi | much faster than meego was on N900 |
| 20:05.37 | lardman|home | ajalkane: I've no idea what I'll do re mobile, but Tablet-wise I'm still keen on Linux, somehow |
| 20:05.45 | ajalkane | Qt on Android is a bit annoying as long as you have to download megaloads of libraries to run every Qt program |
| 20:06.17 | lardman|home | I'd not realised Qt worked on Android actually, will have to have a look-see |
| 20:06.30 | ajalkane | I'm keen on Linux an open-source ad infinitum. The mobile landscape just looks barren regarding that, but Android is the best choise after Harmattan |
| 20:06.31 | djszapi | works pretty well, seriously. |
| 20:06.42 | lardman|home | do you have a link? |
| 20:07.01 | javispedro | keeps thinking iOS is better than Android |
| 20:07.04 | djszapi | check out the dev days slides. |
| 20:07.06 | ajalkane | djszapi: Have you tested how big a simple application gets with Qt on Android? |
| 20:07.17 | djszapi | ajalkane: I did make a qt application for android |
| 20:07.20 | lardman|home | Presumably compiled for Android? Most of my stuff uses C/C++ backend libraries which aren't part of Android, which is the stumbling block |
| 20:07.36 | djszapi | ajalkane: at any rate...it is not any different than kde apps on harmattan ... |
| 20:07.40 | ajalkane | djszapi: you remember how big the package gwas? |
| 20:07.45 | lardman|home | javispedro: I've never actually used nor even held an iPhone |
| 20:07.46 | ajalkane | * was |
| 20:08.17 | djszapi | ajalkane: like 3 MB |
| 20:08.33 | ajalkane | djszapi: okay that's not too bad |
| 20:08.53 | djszapi | but it was qtcore only, and qtgui is 11 MB |
| 20:08.59 | djszapi | but still you are under 20 MB |
| 20:09.21 | djszapi | and declarative is 3.6 |
| 20:09.25 | djszapi | you do not need the monster gui |
| 20:10.09 | ajalkane | That starts to be pretty hefty. If you could have shared libraries, download them once, use with every app, then it would be fine. |
| 20:10.35 | ajalkane | Don't know if that's possible in Android Market |
| 20:10.35 | djszapi | that is not gonna work in practice |
| 20:10.53 | ajalkane | That's what I was afraid of |
| 20:11.28 | djszapi | why is < 10 MB hefty ? |
| 20:11.43 | djszapi | also, you can make optimizations pretty easily. |
| 20:11.53 | djszapi | do not install the stuff it is already there. |
| 20:12.52 | ajalkane | The biggest games I've downloaded are around that size. It's not acceptable for simple applications. |
| 20:13.38 | djszapi | fail to see why... |
| 20:13.45 | djszapi | the same things you need on harmattan anyway |
| 20:14.04 | djszapi | except that you even more stuff installed by default than needed for your stuff |
| 20:14.07 | ajalkane | If every Harmattan application I downloaded was about 10MB, I'd have run out of space already |
| 20:14.18 | djszapi | please read what I wrote |
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| 20:14.31 | djszapi | also, you can make optimizations pretty easily. do not install the stuff it is already there. |
| 20:14.59 | ajalkane | Okay... if you can make the android installer so that you don't install the Qt libs that are already on the device, then it's all fine |
| 20:15.01 | MohammadAG |  javispedro keeps thinking iOS is better than Android |
| 20:15.03 | MohammadAG | It is |
| 20:15.04 | djszapi | So as far as I can see, this is not |
| 20:15.06 | djszapi | an issue |
| 20:15.40 | ajalkane | I hope so. I don't have a big interest in this until few years down the line :) |
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| 20:51.49 | artemma | is thinking about how to mock timed API and GConf on desktop |
| 20:51.53 | artemma | is thinking about how to mock timed API and GConf on desktop |
| 20:52.01 | artemma | feeling naked developing without a fast test net :( |
| 20:57.25 | artemma | what would be the way to check if given process (known by executable name or full command line) is running? |
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| 20:57.47 | artemma | I'd like my app to kill the older instances of itself (in case they malfunction) |
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| 21:49.14 | djszapi | so can anybody take a look at my qml files why I do not actually see the result of the model roles ? http://paste.kde.org/151526/ |
| 22:02.57 | frals | your abuse of ; makes my eyes bleed :[ |
| 22:06.02 | frals | and wait, what are you expecting to happen |
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| 22:06.17 | frals | all the delegates are going to look the same there |
| 22:06.32 | frals | with projectName/projectDescription/app-gluon.png |
| 22:16.50 | frals | i guess he added me to ignore list after the last time i mentioned aegis, though.. oh well |
| 22:17.19 | cos^ | phew.. finally submitted an app to ovi store. |
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