| 00:00.07 | mzb_d800 | RR is a _relatively_ "non-destructive" method of doing a test-drive ;) |
| 00:00.57 | huhlig | relatively? |
| 00:01.01 | huhlig | wiping of dram? |
| 00:01.03 | huhlig | that all |
| 00:01.07 | mzb_d800 | yep |
| 00:01.09 | mzb_d800 | You might be surprised to learn that RR is written in ash script (like cut-down bash, but without arrays) |
| 00:01.27 | huhlig | wow |
| 00:01.28 | mzb_d800 | so please don't be too concerned about delays in the menu :) |
| 00:01.29 | huhlig | scary |
| 00:01.40 | huhlig | hehehe |
| 00:01.40 | mzb_d800 | yep, 5000 lines of script ;) |
| 00:02.05 | mzb_d800 | working on a new version now with menu in C |
| 00:02.15 | huhlig | coo |
| 00:02.22 | mzb_d800 | (I want to be able to do more complex things) |
| 00:02.27 | huhlig | heh |
| 00:02.35 | huhlig | Im clever enough to use a partitionless card |
| 00:02.39 | mzb_d800 | the menu was really hard to do in script |
| 00:02.45 | mzb_d800 | I suggest you don't :) |
| 00:02.46 | huhlig | I should think twice about using ramdisk |
| 00:02.51 | mzb_d800 | :))) |
| 00:02.58 | mzb_d800 | lol |
| 00:03.13 | huhlig | actually its a bitch to make partitioned cards in windows |
| 00:03.29 | mzb_d800 | nah |
| 00:03.53 | mzb_d800 | dd if=/dev/zero bs=512 count=1 /dev/sda (on linux of course) |
| 00:03.58 | mzb_d800 | then put into pda |
| 00:04.19 | mzb_d800 | you will end up with a fat partition on sda5 |
| 00:05.06 | mzb_d800 | don't forget that they are partitioned when you first buy them ;P |
| 00:05.28 | mzb_d800 | and every portable device I know of will partition/format in some way |
| 00:05.48 | mzb_d800 | eg. camera will usually do "sda1" as fat16 |
| 00:06.42 | mzb_d800 | the *only* situation that RR can't recover from is "unpartitioned" ... absolute pita ... despite my best attempts to come up with a solution ... it's just TOO hard :| |
| 00:07.58 | mzb_d800 | you might also be impressed by the picture on the screen during RR ... when you learn that it's a text console without graphics support ;) |
| 00:08.33 | mzb_d800 | btw: touchpad doesn't work in RR (iirc), just use the buttons |
| 00:08.49 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:09.43 | mzb_d800 | anyway ... I have a house + 2yo to prepare for a BBQ, must get on with it |
| 00:09.49 | mzb_d800 | let me know how you go |
| 00:09.54 | huhlig | should I do this on the SD or CF |
| 00:09.59 | mzb_d800 | dm |
| 00:10.06 | huhlig | dm?? |
| 00:10.13 | mzb_d800 | doesn't matter |
| 00:10.15 | huhlig | oh |
| 00:10.16 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:10.46 | mzb_d800 | although depends what sizes they are |
| 00:11.53 | mzb_d800 | oh ... and *please* enjoy the whirlygig! :)) |
| 00:11.56 | mzb_d800 | heh |
| 00:13.05 | mzb_d800 | if not already, you should join hx4700-port@, an look at the archives for info on fixes |
| 00:15.59 | *** join/#handhelds bluelightning (n=blueligh@219-89-47-3.dialup.xtra.co.nz) |
| 00:16.11 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:31.27 | huhlig | hmm |
| 00:31.35 | huhlig | mzb_d800, if your are still around |
| 00:31.46 | huhlig | its complaining about the custom.txt |
| 00:31.51 | mzb_d800 | heh |
| 00:31.57 | mzb_d800 | should work out of the box |
| 00:31.58 | huhlig | no fat partition found |
| 00:32.04 | mzb_d800 | lol |
| 00:32.12 | mzb_d800 | did you reformat the card? |
| 00:32.31 | mzb_d800 | or did you leave it as partitionless? |
| 00:33.57 | mzb_d800 | (contrary to advice:) |
| 00:35.28 | huhlig | reformatted |
| 00:35.34 | huhlig | it has 2 partitions |
| 00:35.43 | huhlig | a 63MB |
| 00:35.45 | huhlig | and the rest |
| 00:38.07 | huhlig | hmm |
| 00:38.10 | huhlig | ssh is running |
| 00:38.20 | huhlig | let me see if I can log in |
| 00:39.14 | mzb_d800 | all you need is a single FAT partition |
| 00:39.21 | mzb_d800 | RR will take care of the rest |
| 00:39.59 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:40.06 | huhlig | can it be bigger then 64mb? |
| 00:40.32 | mzb_d800 | all you need is a single FAT partition ==> the whole card |
| 00:40.38 | mzb_d800 | but it doesn't matter |
| 00:40.43 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:40.47 | mzb_d800 | your current setup should work |
| 00:41.15 | mzb_d800 | as long as there is *at least* a FAT partition (first) on the card |
| 00:41.31 | mzb_d800 | it might take a few goes to get right, if you are going to experiment |
| 00:41.48 | huhlig | hmm |
| 00:41.49 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:42.00 | mzb_d800 | you don't need a lot of space for familiar .... 128mB would probably be overly-generous |
| 00:42.32 | mzb_d800 | iirc, RR attempts to make an 80MB partition for linux, but you can change this in custom.txt |
| 00:44.01 | mzb_d800 | btw: I tend to prefer installing to SD cards, as a) they're smaller, b) I have CF peripherals, and c) SDIO doesn't work in Linux |
| 00:44.39 | mzb_d800 | iow: SD slot is wasted if not used for storage, whereas CF is/can be useful |
| 00:45.07 | huhlig | mzb_d800, hmm |
| 00:45.09 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:45.18 | mzb_d800 | note, however, that you are more likely to have problems with SD cards (particularly large cards) |
| 00:45.19 | huhlig | so put it on the SD card |
| 00:45.23 | huhlig | oh |
| 00:45.27 | huhlig | this is a 2gb card |
| 00:45.38 | huhlig | 2gb sd and 2gb cf |
| 00:45.39 | Kevin2 | mzb_d800: Hi. Any at some point, I'd like to be able to use RR to install on HTC Apache and HTC Hermes. Any advise on how to do that? |
| 00:46.01 | mzb_d800 | *should* work ... I've recently purchased a batch of cheap 2GB cards for testing RR |
| 00:46.50 | mzb_d800 | Kevin2: you'd need to create a special HTC kernel with static drivers (not modular) |
| 00:47.32 | mzb_d800 | and you'd need a rootfs ready to go (and suitable for card-booting) |
| 00:48.46 | mzb_d800 | the static kernel would need initrd, mmc, ide + ext2 compiled in (along with a couple of machine-specific drivers) ... see the RamdiskRescue wiki for more notes, and links to defconfigs (the kernel needs to be *SMALL*) |
| 00:49.09 | mzb_d800 | (as RR uses tmpfs to unpack the image) |
| 00:49.59 | mzb_d800 | call that the 'RR' kernel |
| 00:52.10 | mzb_d800 | then you need a kernel suitable for card-booting, which will be installed with the rootfs and also used by haret to boot into the rootfs. Accordingly, it needs ide_cs, mmc, ext2 compiled statically, and (most) other modules compiled normally. This is essentially a 'familiar' kernel but able to support a card boot (some aren't) |
| 00:53.11 | mzb_d800 | Kevin2: once you have those two kernels, and a suitable rootfs RR will then be able to work on HTC. Answer your question? |
| 00:53.36 | Kevin2 | Yes.. |
| 00:53.41 | mzb_d800 | k |
| 00:54.31 | mzb_d800 | if/when that happens, HTC will most likely be very close to being supported by Familiar (imho) |
| 00:55.23 | mzb_d800 | (or, put another way, HTC will be able to attract a lot more testers, which will assist in getting the port supported by Familiar:) |
| 00:55.27 | huhlig | mzb_d800, hmm |
| 00:55.33 | huhlig | still cant get it to recognise it |
| 00:55.49 | mzb_d800 | ssh in and have a look with "logread" |
| 00:55.54 | huhlig | cant |
| 00:56.14 | huhlig | it doesnt get to a point where rndis is coming up |
| 00:56.22 | mzb_d800 | doesn't like card? |
| 00:56.25 | mzb_d800 | no |
| 00:56.27 | huhlig | no it boots |
| 00:56.29 | mzb_d800 | no rndis support |
| 00:56.31 | huhlig | oh |
| 00:56.35 | huhlig | so how do I connect to it |
| 00:56.36 | huhlig | ? |
| 00:56.41 | mzb_d800 | network |
| 00:56.46 | mzb_d800 | tcp/ip |
| 00:56.51 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:56.57 | huhlig | you have wireless? |
| 00:56.59 | mzb_d800 | look at custom.txt |
| 00:57.01 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:57.09 | mzb_d800 | I do, but RR doesn't :) |
| 00:57.30 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:57.39 | huhlig | without rndis how do I get a network connection |
| 00:57.45 | huhlig | it has no net jack |
| 00:58.02 | mzb_d800 | http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=67 |
| 00:58.06 | mzb_d800 | ah |
| 00:58.21 | mzb_d800 | usbnet ... you'll need to be running linux |
| 00:58.35 | mzb_d800 | (I obviously need more caffeine;) |
| 00:58.57 | huhlig | ok |
| 00:59.12 | huhlig | try this again |
| 00:59.15 | mzb_d800 | have a look at the details in custom.txt (using PDA) |
| 00:59.24 | mzb_d800 | you will get a better idea |
| 00:59.37 | mzb_d800 | http://www.marcusbrutus.soho.on.net/blog/?p=67 |
| 00:59.55 | mzb_d800 | (link not directly related) |
| 01:00.14 | huhlig | booting now |
| 01:00.52 | huhlig | its not allowing it to connect |
| 01:01.21 | mzb_d800 | see wiki page for setting up usbnet |
| 01:01.35 | huhlig | grr |
| 01:01.35 | mzb_d800 | make sure link is up |
| 01:01.36 | huhlig | ok |
| 01:01.45 | mzb_d800 | you *will* need usbnet working |
| 01:01.52 | huhlig | my linux is in a VM |
| 01:01.58 | mzb_d800 | :) |
| 01:02.02 | mzb_d800 | vmplayer? |
| 01:02.05 | huhlig | no |
| 01:02.07 | huhlig | Workstation 6 |
| 01:02.22 | mzb_d800 | ok, so you can give it a usb port, right? |
| 01:02.30 | mzb_d800 | (turn activesync off) |
| 01:02.39 | huhlig | did that a while ago |
| 01:02.45 | huhlig | when I boot linux it stops working |
| 01:02.51 | huhlig | it doesnt see a working device |
| 01:03.08 | mzb_d800 | you might need to reboot RR |
| 01:03.21 | huhlig | just did |
| 01:03.31 | huhlig | its locking while trying to locate rescue files |
| 01:03.53 | mzb_d800 | so have you followed the wiki re: directories? |
| 01:04.31 | huhlig | yes |
| 01:04.31 | huhlig | linux |
| 01:04.32 | huhlig | rescue |
| 01:04.32 | huhlig | images |
| 01:04.32 | mzb_d800 | how big is the fat partition? |
| 01:04.32 | huhlig | inside each other |
| 01:04.32 | huhlig | 63 megs |
| 01:04.57 | mzb_d800 | and you are executing haret from within /linux/rescue/ ... right? |
| 01:05.33 | huhlig | yes |
| 01:05.51 | mzb_d800 | have you changed *any* settings? |
| 01:06.01 | huhlig | custom.txt, haret, ramdisk-rescue, startup.txt, and zimage |
| 01:06.04 | huhlig | are all in rescue |
| 01:06.13 | huhlig | imge has the gpe tarball |
| 01:06.16 | huhlig | image |
| 01:06.20 | huhlig | and another zimage |
| 01:06.25 | huhlig | nop |
| 01:06.27 | huhlig | nope |
| 01:06.30 | huhlig | no changes |
| 01:06.48 | huhlig | lemmie reformat the card again |
| 01:06.50 | mzb_d800 | err ... you see the names "custom.txt" and "startup.txt" ? those extensions should be invisible on the pda |
| 01:07.08 | huhlig | just in case |
| 01:07.10 | mzb_d800 | ok, try the CF as well ... you might be having probs with the 2GB SD |
| 01:07.14 | mzb_d800 | k |
| 01:07.18 | huhlig | no |
| 01:07.21 | huhlig | this IS the cf |
| 01:07.27 | mzb_d800 | heh :) |
| 01:07.30 | mzb_d800 | oh dear |
| 01:07.39 | mzb_d800 | should *not* be any problems |
| 01:07.52 | mzb_d800 | must be some small thing out of place somewhere ;) |
| 01:07.56 | mzb_d800 | caffeine time |
| 01:07.59 | mzb_d800 | brb5 |
| 01:08.18 | huhlig | no problem |
| 01:08.35 | huhlig | I assume the partition does not need to be marked bootable |
| 01:13.43 | mzb_d800 | no |
| 01:14.40 | mzb_d800 | seriously, just KISS ;) ... blank the first sector of the card and get the hx to format it ... then copy stuff onto it ... should be *good to go* :) |
| 01:15.33 | mzb_d800 | (avoids a plethora of problems) |
| 01:16.26 | huhlig | ok |
| 01:16.29 | huhlig | that works |
| 01:17.37 | mzb_d800 | booting/booted? |
| 01:17.50 | mzb_d800 | (or you just like the theory?;) |
| 01:18.33 | mzb_d800 | btw: I don't think audio works in RR on hx |
| 01:18.48 | mzb_d800 | so you won't hear the great msg ;) |
| 01:19.02 | mzb_d800 | (Star Trek ripoff) |
| 01:19.33 | mzb_d800 | *BEEP* "Data transfer complete" (Enterprise computer iirc) |
| 01:20.34 | huhlig | neither |
| 01:20.38 | huhlig | wiping cards now |
| 01:20.42 | mzb_d800 | k ;) |
| 01:20.51 | huhlig | sorry, Im being slow |
| 01:20.56 | huhlig | 2 other people wanting me to fix stuff too |
| 01:21.01 | huhlig | k |
| 01:21.04 | huhlig | booting and formating now |
| 01:21.30 | mzb_d800 | dm ... I'm having caffeine while I wait ... then I have to get on with BBQ prep (before g/f gets home!;)0 |
| 01:21.37 | huhlig | heheh |
| 01:22.06 | huhlig | feel free to drop me at any time |
| 01:22.17 | huhlig | this is a weekend project |
| 01:22.38 | mzb_d800 | heh ... hard to ... you're like a "customer" that needs support |
| 01:22.49 | huhlig | ok so go start preparing |
| 01:22.52 | mzb_d800 | once you have RR booted I'll be happy :) |
| 01:22.58 | huhlig | and read back the notes in 30 min |
| 01:23.03 | huhlig | im patient |
| 01:23.15 | mzb_d800 | I'll wait (I'm getting old;) |
| 01:23.36 | mzb_d800 | (and I'm not looking forward to cleaning the garage + BBQ) |
| 01:24.36 | huhlig | ok ok |
| 01:24.41 | huhlig | copying file system now |
| 01:25.20 | mzb_d800 | :) |
| 01:25.34 | huhlig | loading both cf and sd with same identical fs |
| 01:25.40 | mzb_d800 | k |
| 01:25.49 | huhlig | one should work |
| 01:25.57 | mzb_d800 | :) |
| 01:26.35 | huhlig | testing sd first |
| 01:26.39 | mzb_d800 | good |
| 01:26.55 | huhlig | booting |
| 01:27.10 | mzb_d800 | I'll hold my breath :) |
| 01:27.28 | huhlig | ramdisk loaded |
| 01:27.29 | huhlig | ssh up |
| 01:27.33 | huhlig | looking for script |
| 01:27.39 | huhlig | ok, its executing |
| 01:27.41 | huhlig | cool |
| 01:27.42 | huhlig | its up |
| 01:27.44 | mzb_d800 | :)) |
| 01:27.47 | huhlig | SD works |
| 01:27.51 | mzb_d800 | nice pic, huh? :) |
| 01:27.56 | huhlig | cute |
| 01:28.05 | huhlig | so this will allow me to install |
| 01:28.11 | mzb_d800 | (complete hack ... hard to make) |
| 01:28.20 | huhlig | and once its installed I can do stuff just like in normal linux |
| 01:28.25 | mzb_d800 | this will install a rootfs to the card |
| 01:28.32 | huhlig | to the card |
| 01:28.38 | huhlig | not the Internal store? |
| 01:28.40 | huhlig | k |
| 01:28.44 | huhlig | how bout a bootloader |
| 01:28.49 | huhlig | or is haret a neccessity |
| 01:28.53 | mzb_d800 | then you can boot into linux (execute haret from /linux not /linux/rescue) |
| 01:29.07 | huhlig | ahh |
| 01:29.08 | mzb_d800 | no bootloader will not work with card-boot |
| 01:29.17 | mzb_d800 | you *could* flash from RR |
| 01:29.35 | mzb_d800 | but it's probably easier/nicer to do so from card-booted familiar |
| 01:29.58 | huhlig | ahh |
| 01:29.59 | huhlig | ok |
| 01:30.22 | huhlig | booting now |
| 01:30.24 | huhlig | thank you |
| 01:30.37 | mzb_d800 | extracted already? |
| 01:30.41 | huhlig | yep |
| 01:30.56 | mzb_d800 | that was strangely quick |
| 01:31.08 | huhlig | asking me if I want to resize |
| 01:31.12 | mzb_d800 | ah |
| 01:31.14 | mzb_d800 | YES |
| 01:31.33 | huhlig | errors found |
| 01:32.04 | mzb_d800 | it will convert logical part 5 to primary part 1, resize it, convert to fat32, and then add a primary part2 (ext2) |
| 01:32.15 | mzb_d800 | errors ... did it stop? |
| 01:32.27 | huhlig | no |
| 01:32.30 | mzb_d800 | k |
| 01:32.30 | huhlig | continuing anyway |
| 01:32.48 | huhlig | you should make a windows program that will prepare sd/cf disks |
| 01:32.56 | huhlig | make many a life easier |
| 01:32.59 | mzb_d800 | hmm |
| 01:33.04 | huhlig | its sanitizing |
| 01:33.11 | mzb_d800 | should be ok ... might be interesting to see the log |
| 01:34.16 | huhlig | k |
| 01:34.33 | mzb_d800 | you *can* get rid of partition 1 and put the contents in ipaqstore .. but that's a little more complicated (first time around) |
| 01:34.53 | mzb_d800 | you'll get the idea once you have a working card-boot |
| 01:35.01 | huhlig | ok |
| 01:35.37 | huhlig | still resizing |
| 01:35.45 | mzb_d800 | big card :) |
| 01:35.49 | huhlig | yep |
| 01:35.53 | huhlig | creating ext2 |
| 01:35.59 | huhlig | I thought ext2 was bad on flash cards |
| 01:36.04 | huhlig | shouldnt it be ext3 or jjfs? |
| 01:36.15 | mzb_d800 | no ... auto wear levelling in card |
| 01:36.23 | huhlig | on sd? |
| 01:36.29 | huhlig | I thought that was only on cf |
| 01:36.38 | mzb_d800 | no ext3 gives too much write to card |
| 01:36.47 | huhlig | god I cant wait for Pram to be a reality |
| 01:36.57 | huhlig | err PC Ram |
| 01:37.04 | mzb_d800 | jffs2 is for flash memory (no wear levelling built into hardware) |
| 01:37.24 | mzb_d800 | ext2 is fine for external cards |
| 01:37.36 | huhlig | ok |
| 01:38.25 | mzb_d800 | you are yet to get to the extract stage (I guess) ... the whirlygig is a wonder of modern science ;) |
| 01:38.40 | mzb_d800 | (aka: another horrible hack;)) |
| 01:38.43 | huhlig | unpacking now |
| 01:39.43 | mzb_d800 | keep an eye on the elapsed time ... interesting to know speed of hx + *that* card |
| 01:41.06 | mzb_d800 | http://ramdisk-rescue.svn.sourceforge.net/viewvc/ramdisk-rescue/reports/0.6.4/prerelease/Function_Testing.ods?view=log |
| 01:41.30 | mzb_d800 | open office spreadsheet of testing so far |
| 01:43.51 | huhlig | im at 4:57 and 302 files |
| 01:44.01 | mzb_d800 | way to go :) |
| 01:44.09 | huhlig | is that good? |
| 01:44.15 | huhlig | its a cheap lexar 2gb card |
| 01:44.20 | mzb_d800 | don't know (yet) |
| 01:44.33 | huhlig | 5:39 389 files |
| 01:45.02 | mzb_d800 | I've been testing on a variety of cards ... focusing on cheapies off eBay atm |
| 01:45.03 | huhlig | and its just kinda sitting there counting time |
| 01:45.11 | mzb_d800 | that's ok |
| 01:45.21 | huhlig | k |
| 01:45.22 | mzb_d800 | should be 6-12mins |
| 01:45.25 | huhlig | ok |
| 01:45.44 | mzb_d800 | I've been getting 2GB SD < au$16 (delivered) |
| 01:46.05 | mzb_d800 | (inc Sandisk microSD with adapter;)) |
| 01:46.38 | huhlig | I walked over to Officemax and paid 9.99 US |
| 01:46.47 | mzb_d800 | one of the main probs is the "free reader" you sometime get ... very mixed results |
| 01:46.55 | huhlig | free reader? |
| 01:46.57 | huhlig | usb? |
| 01:47.00 | mzb_d800 | yep |
| 01:47.08 | huhlig | ahh ok |
| 01:47.08 | mzb_d800 | some are only suitable for up to 1GB |
| 01:47.30 | mzb_d800 | some are ok for 2GB but can only handle 3MB/s |
| 01:47.52 | mzb_d800 | I've started keeping a database of the results as I test |
| 01:48.04 | huhlig | ahh |
| 01:48.15 | huhlig | 8:39 577 files |
| 01:48.17 | mzb_d800 | nothing like officemax here |
| 01:48.23 | huhlig | in AU> |
| 01:48.27 | huhlig | you have staples |
| 01:48.37 | mzb_d800 | not afaik |
| 01:48.39 | huhlig | I think we have expanded there |
| 01:48.42 | mzb_d800 | (Tasmania) |
| 01:48.46 | huhlig | oh |
| 01:48.48 | huhlig | not sure then |
| 01:49.07 | mzb_d800 | http://www.officemax.com.au |
| 01:50.25 | huhlig | 10:30 and 681 files |
| 01:50.33 | huhlig | not the fastest |
| 01:50.47 | mzb_d800 | it'll prob be 11-12 mins |
| 01:50.55 | huhlig | ok |
| 01:51.05 | mzb_d800 | no product list ... too far away from me ... very much doubt cards would be < au$30 |
| 01:51.27 | huhlig | ok |
| 01:51.34 | huhlig | lexar is a manufacturer so |
| 01:51.44 | huhlig | does the hx4700 support the ultra cards |
| 01:52.00 | mzb_d800 | "support" ? |
| 01:52.06 | mzb_d800 | or do you mean SDHC ? |
| 01:52.10 | huhlig | does it support the high speed |
| 01:52.15 | mzb_d800 | not sure |
| 01:52.20 | mzb_d800 | SDHC == no |
| 01:52.39 | huhlig | I know alot of cameras dont support them until you get into professional SLR |
| 01:52.41 | mzb_d800 | I have a couple of ultras (see the ods) |
| 01:52.55 | huhlig | 12:30 881 files |
| 01:53.11 | mzb_d800 | really? I have Canon A520 ... all seem to work ok |
| 01:53.16 | huhlig | they work |
| 01:53.23 | huhlig | but they run at the slower speeds |
| 01:53.38 | mzb_d800 | never tried a speed test on camera |
| 01:53.52 | huhlig | worked in staples in store for a while and got bored |
| 01:53.59 | huhlig | tried speed tests on certain cameras |
| 01:54.00 | mzb_d800 | ah |
| 01:54.03 | huhlig | and certain cards |
| 01:54.20 | huhlig | usually anything we carried except the canon rebel there was no difference |
| 01:54.27 | huhlig | the rebel the speed was almost double |
| 01:54.40 | huhlig | 14:00 976 Files |
| 01:59.35 | huhlig | 18:00 1207 files and still going |
| 01:59.55 | huhlig | I must have a really crappy card |
| 02:00.17 | mzb_d800 | could be a number of reasons, hence the database |
| 02:00.18 | *** join/#handhelds cels (n=unknown@dslb-084-061-170-008.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 02:00.23 | huhlig | oh? |
| 02:00.31 | huhlig | what else besides the card |
| 02:00.33 | huhlig | bad build? |
| 02:00.49 | huhlig | different hardware revision? |
| 02:01.06 | mzb_d800 | driver, files, sync vs async, card size/age/speed .... etc |
| 02:01.34 | mzb_d800 | might be interesting to keep in touch ... kernel devs need proper feedback on this issue (imo) |
| 02:01.40 | huhlig | no problem |
| 02:01.49 | huhlig | I am working with france on the HTC wizard |
| 02:01.56 | huhlig | I use one as a phone |
| 02:02.00 | mzb_d800 | cool |
| 02:02.06 | huhlig | and I was going to toss linux on it as well |
| 02:02.14 | huhlig | but I wanted a Personal Data server first |
| 02:02.24 | mzb_d800 | if he sends me one of those I should be able to get RR working on it ;) |
| 02:02.35 | huhlig | I figured the flagship product would be best |
| 02:02.44 | huhlig | I cant ship you mine but I am more then willing to help |
| 02:02.47 | mzb_d800 | going to be addind "install to flash" option in next version |
| 02:02.54 | mzb_d800 | s/addind/adding/ |
| 02:03.14 | huhlig | ok that is mildly anoying |
| 02:03.26 | mzb_d800 | delay on attempt to play sound? |
| 02:03.33 | huhlig | no |
| 02:03.35 | huhlig | ibot |
| 02:03.39 | mzb_d800 | heh |
| 02:03.43 | huhlig | 21:30 1207 Files |
| 02:03.49 | mzb_d800 | I could have just avoided the last "/" |
| 02:03.51 | mzb_d800 | ;) |
| 02:03.54 | huhlig | heh |
| 02:03.59 | mzb_d800 | *sigh* a long one ... shame |
| 02:04.00 | huhlig | s/heh/heh |
| 02:04.06 | mzb_d800 | :) |
| 02:04.19 | mzb_d800 | s/:)/:( |
| 02:04.21 | mzb_d800 | s/:)/:(/ |
| 02:04.29 | huhlig | mine eyes |
| 02:04.34 | mzb_d800 | lol |
| 02:04.39 | huhlig | the goggles they do nothing |
| 02:05.03 | mzb_d800 | like the whirlygig? (you can see why it needs to be slightly entertaining;) |
| 02:05.23 | huhlig | what whirlygig |
| 02:05.36 | mzb_d800 | "progress indicator" |
| 02:05.47 | mzb_d800 | turns around and changes shape |
| 02:06.03 | huhlig | you mean the little dinky red /-\| |
| 02:06.09 | mzb_d800 | yep |
| 02:06.11 | huhlig | ahh |
| 02:06.18 | huhlig | its not really doing much |
| 02:06.30 | huhlig | better if a line below it counted the total files |
| 02:06.36 | huhlig | [****************----------] |
| 02:06.43 | huhlig | [****************----------] 69% |
| 02:06.54 | mzb_d800 | hoping to have progress bars in next version ... all depends if I can fit ncurses and libc |
| 02:07.11 | huhlig | ahh |
| 02:07.16 | huhlig | what are you using now? |
| 02:07.25 | huhlig | I thought the whirlygig was ncurses |
| 02:07.26 | mzb_d800 | ash |
| 02:07.30 | mzb_d800 | nope |
| 02:07.34 | huhlig | hmm |
| 02:07.40 | mzb_d800 | ash and escape sequences |
| 02:07.43 | huhlig | if it can do the whirlygig |
| 02:07.51 | huhlig | it should be able to do progressbar |
| 02:07.56 | mzb_d800 | yes ... I know a little more about piping now ... so should be able to do more |
| 02:08.08 | mzb_d800 | (pv might come in handy;) |
| 02:08.11 | huhlig | 25:00 1207 Files |
| 02:08.16 | mzb_d800 | gee |
| 02:08.34 | huhlig | loadavg 2.04 2.14 2.07 |
| 02:08.43 | mzb_d800 | at least it's busy :) |
| 02:08.47 | huhlig | 10-60 min |
| 02:08.49 | huhlig | I love it |
| 02:09.04 | huhlig | my SD must really really suck |
| 02:09.08 | mzb_d800 | h2200 can do <6 mins on a good day |
| 02:09.14 | huhlig | wierd |
| 02:09.29 | huhlig | I picked up the hx4700 cause it was the fastest unit HP has put out |
| 02:10.01 | huhlig | supposedly |
| 02:10.50 | mzb_d800 | prob driver-related |
| 02:11.06 | Kevin2 | mzb_d800: Sorry - got pulled off to a phone conversation. So, I just need to build two kernel images (one normal familiar one, and one for RR) - but do I need to customize RR in any way? It doesn't care what device I have? |
| 02:11.12 | mzb_d800 | hx4700 is pretty mean machine ... esp when you get linux onto it ;) |
| 02:11.33 | huhlig | mzb_d800, well, im glad I got the right unit |
| 02:11.35 | huhlig | ahh |
| 02:11.41 | huhlig | 27:31 Files 1334 |
| 02:11.46 | huhlig | still not done though |
| 02:12.10 | mzb_d800 | Kevin2: no ... I don't think RR will need to be customised .... might be an issue with framebuffer (resolution related) ... but should be ok |
| 02:12.23 | mzb_d800 | huhlig: shouldn't be long now |
| 02:12.31 | huhlig | ok |
| 02:12.36 | huhlig | how many files are there |
| 02:12.47 | Kevin2 | Okay, that is easier than I thought. |
| 02:14.02 | mzb_d800 | huhlig: not sure ... but there's usually a long(ish) pause before final burst |
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| 02:14.47 | mzb_d800 | I had to use sync option due to buffering problems (I think related to the fact I was using initrd+tmpfs) |
| 02:14.57 | huhlig | 30:01 1334 Files |
| 02:15.33 | Kevin2 | mzb_d800: BTW, have you thought of using one of the later versions of haret? We've added a bunch of new features to it. Notably, the ability to link a kernel/initrd/startup.txt into a single exe. |
| 02:16.13 | mzb_d800 | I'm planning that for next release to avoid certain issues |
| 02:16.50 | mzb_d800 | I also want to do a couple of dialog windows and (possibly) offer to execute backup process before haret-proper is executed |
| 02:19.23 | mzb_d800 | ok, brb5 |
| 02:19.37 | huhlig | k |
| 02:19.39 | mzb_d800 | almost hit pumpkin hour ;) |
| 02:19.46 | huhlig | 33:50 Files 1334 |
| 02:19.57 | mzb_d800 | gee |
| 02:20.41 | huhlig | willakers batman? |
| 02:22.48 | mzb_d800 | heh, yeah |
| 02:23.13 | mzb_d800 | hopefully won't be as long as some of psokolovsky's tests on h4100 |
| 02:23.18 | mzb_d800 | (60 mins) |
| 02:24.09 | huhlig | 37:05 Files 1334 |
| 02:26.06 | mzb_d800 | ok, I have to show baby girl and have a shave |
| 02:26.25 | mzb_d800 | (I'll get in big trouble otherwise;)) |
| 02:26.40 | mzb_d800 | bbl |
| 02:28.12 | huhlig | ok |
| 02:28.19 | huhlig | I will give you the final results when they come up |
| 02:33.08 | huhlig | 44:00 Files 2433 |
| 02:40.38 | huhlig | woo |
| 02:41.22 | huhlig | 50:00 Files 2637 |
| 02:41.41 | huhlig | I think I might beat psokolovsky's record |
| 02:46.43 | huhlig | 54:00 Files 2999 |
| 02:52.11 | huhlig | 58:00 Files 31:56 |
| 02:52.13 | huhlig | 58:00 Files 3156 |
| 02:54.55 | huhlig | mzb_d800, 60:00 Files: 3284!!!! Still going |
| 02:56.38 | huhlig | 60m58s Files 3441 |
| 02:56.44 | huhlig | Expansion complete |
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| 03:09.56 | huhlig | mzb_d800, Audio doesnt work, LED Tests dont work |
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| 04:00.48 | UhligH__ | wow |
| 04:00.52 | UhligH__ | gpe is incredibly slow |
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| 04:05.28 | mzb_d800 | huhlig: audio + leds are known issue from RR |
| 04:05.51 | mzb_d800 | huhlig: speed might be affected by card |
| 04:06.30 | mzb_d800 | time to clean loungeroom and cut spuds |
| 04:06.31 | mzb_d800 | bbl |
| 04:15.58 | huhlig | mzb_d800, ok, I tap on a folder it works |
| 04:16.05 | huhlig | I tap on an icon and it never starts |
| 04:27.14 | mzb_d800 | strange |
| 04:27.58 | huhlig | yea |
| 04:28.01 | huhlig | you got a second |
| 04:28.07 | mzb_d800 | but at least you have a platform that *should* make it easier to install linux to flash (imo) ... lot easier when you have usbnet working (to a linux host) |
| 04:28.08 | huhlig | or is the bbq starting |
| 04:28.11 | huhlig | true |
| 04:28.18 | mzb_d800 | err ... couple of minutes I guess |
| 04:28.24 | huhlig | if not then not |
| 04:28.33 | huhlig | what can I do to test |
| 04:28.37 | huhlig | and find out whats not working |
| 04:29.14 | mzb_d800 | kernel & rootfs are pretty old ... better to get on with flashing, setup network, update ... and get ready for familiar 0.9.x :) |
| 04:29.16 | huhlig | windows is running about 10x |
| 04:29.22 | huhlig | ok |
| 04:29.45 | mzb_d800 | (you'll need to be familiar with 0.8.4 to make "qualitative" assessment of 0.9.x;) |
| 04:29.48 | huhlig | I cant open any applications |
| 04:29.59 | mzb_d800 | hmmm ... not sure why |
| 04:30.19 | huhlig | booting linux again |
| 04:30.23 | huhlig | it boots nice and fast |
| 04:30.24 | mzb_d800 | maybe you've started off a task and it's hanging .. try reboot :) |
| 04:30.32 | huhlig | just did |
| 04:30.34 | mzb_d800 | k |
| 04:30.47 | huhlig | althought the icons look horrid |
| 04:30.51 | huhlig | couldnt load firmware |
| 04:30.52 | mzb_d800 | get usbnet working |
| 04:30.56 | huhlig | acx |
| 04:30.59 | huhlig | acx-mem |
| 04:31.01 | mzb_d800 | =wifi |
| 04:31.03 | huhlig | and wlangen.bin |
| 04:31.06 | huhlig | ok |
| 04:31.08 | mzb_d800 | see the mailing list |
| 04:31.40 | huhlig | I also have to note the unit is REALLY HOT |
| 04:32.10 | mzb_d800 | probably running flat out trying to open 100 apps ;) |
| 04:32.21 | huhlig | ok |
| 04:32.26 | huhlig | I have a terminal |
| 04:32.43 | mzb_d800 | now read through the usbnet wiki page and get that going |
| 04:32.51 | mzb_d800 | (you *will* need network;) |
| 04:33.10 | mzb_d800 | [ie. what's the use of an un-networked *nix machine ;) ] |
| 04:33.20 | huhlig | ok |
| 04:33.24 | huhlig | heh |
| 04:34.02 | mzb_d800 | you also need ssh -X session to setup sylpheed email |
| 04:34.12 | mzb_d800 | (options page is too big for screen) |
| 04:34.27 | mzb_d800 | although ... I don't remember if that's such a problem with the hx4700 |
| 04:34.57 | mzb_d800 | time for me to pull my finger out ... g/f has arrived home from work ... visitors pending |
| 04:35.02 | huhlig | 640x480 resolution |
| 04:35.05 | huhlig | ok |
| 04:35.07 | huhlig | ttyl |
| 04:35.14 | mzb_d800 | err ... 480x640 ;) |
| 04:35.23 | mzb_d800 | bbl |
| 04:35.23 | huhlig | well yea |
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