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| 00:13.18 | Marex | aquadran, hi, are you around? |
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| 03:27.26 | reyawn | hello all |
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| 12:44.13 | jsizzle | greets, is there a specific image of 0.8.4 for the h3700? when I download from the website it keeps giving me h2200 is that the same? |
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| 12:57.59 | jsizzle | boy you guys talk alot, shut up for a minute so I can catch up on all this chat :) lol |
| 12:58.44 | spaceinvader | hah |
| 13:07.31 | jsizzle | so I guess this channel doesn't really offer any kind of support or conversation or anything else other than idling ppl eh |
| 13:08.50 | spaceinvader | stuff happens sometimes |
| 13:08.52 | hrw | jsizzle: you are asking about familiar which not all people here use. |
| 13:09.08 | hrw | jsizzle: there was #familiar channel but I do not know does it still exists |
| 13:09.11 | spaceinvader | jsizzle: oh i didnt see your question |
| 13:09.15 | spaceinvader | its #handhelds-familiar |
| 13:09.23 | spaceinvader | hang on |
| 13:10.06 | jsizzle | thx I'll check out familiar-handhelds then I guess |
| 13:10.09 | spaceinvader | jsizzle: http://handhelds.willowisp.net/download.html |
| 13:10.13 | jsizzle | hrw: what do you use? |
| 13:10.16 | spaceinvader | its the beta site, it works better |
| 13:10.40 | spaceinvader | http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.8.4/install/dlget.php?rel=v0.8.4&ipaq=h3700&boot=gpe |
| 13:10.51 | spaceinvader | change gpe to opie or whatever if you wish |
| 13:11.24 | hrw | jsizzle: Angstrom, Poky - depends on device |
| 13:11.47 | jsizzle | I have an old ipaq h3700, what would you use on that? |
| 13:12.08 | hrw | jsizzle: my devices never was supported by familiar |
| 13:12.14 | hrw | jsizzle: I am not familiar with ipaqs |
| 13:12.21 | jsizzle | I've always used familiar just because its the only thing I knew of that would run on it other than M$ crap |
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| 14:42.16 | reyawn | good morning all |
| 14:45.56 | non-sense | mornin |
| 14:51.46 | reyawn | hmm |
| 14:51.50 | reyawn | two gpes? |
| 14:52.14 | non-sense | ¯\(°_O)/¯ |
| 14:53.55 | reyawn | I mean, there is a gpe @ linuxtogo.org and a gpe @ handhelds.org |
| 14:54.17 | reyawn | the same project, but it looks like they moved...not sure what this all means, since I have been doing everything off of the handhelds.org site |
| 14:58.19 | non-sense | iphone has 80gb =o |
| 14:58.21 | non-sense | http://feeds.engadget.com/~r/weblogsinc/engadget/~3/128080674/ |
| 14:58.40 | hrw | reyawn: GPE moved from hh.org to ltg over year ago |
| 14:59.21 | reyawn | hrw: thanks, I'm trying to figure everything out as a new user |
| 15:00.01 | reyawn | I've been running linux for a few years, but just this past weekend picked up an hp 5450 out of curiosity about the project |
| 15:00.48 | reyawn | seems like a sensitive subject though... |
| 15:01.43 | pH5 | reyawn: read http://www.linuxtogo.org/word-twisting-trademark-issue-continued, http://blog.russnelson.com/opensource/ownership-issue.html, etc. for the whole soap opera. |
| 15:08.35 | reyawn | pH5: thanks...interesting read there |
| 15:10.03 | reyawn | obviously, the community as users and developers want something that works best for the project as a whole, although I can totally see the whole ownership thing being an issue if you really spent alot of time on it and consider it a pet project (I am actually going to be meeting with a bunch of people today and discussing this over a website engine that I developed and want to open source) |
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| 17:09.51 | StylusEater_Work | has anyone gotten a linux/bsd kernel to boot on a handspring visor deluxe? |
| 17:15.19 | psokolovsky | StylusEater_Work: impossible |
| 17:23.01 | StylusEater_Work | not enough ram? |
| 17:23.20 | psokolovsky | no MMU, first of all |
| 17:27.40 | StylusEater_Work | ah. |
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| 17:47.25 | victor_rx1950 | psokolovsky: ole! =] /me again in business |
| 17:48.04 | psokolovsky | victor_rx1950: cool! please test rx1950_static_defconfig ;-) |
| 17:50.24 | victor_rx1950 | psokolovsky: bluetooth on rx1950??? |
| 17:51.02 | psokolovsky | victor_rx1950: what you mean? it is enabled in that defconfig? just ognore it for now please |
| 17:51.43 | victor_rx1950 | psokolovsky: yep, i disable it |
| 17:52.09 | psokolovsky | victor_rx1950: please don't, test that defconfig as is, that's important |
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| 18:07.40 | victor_rx1950 | psokolovsky: test with GUI, or just initrd? |
| 18:08.08 | psokolovsky | victor_rx1950: ideally, with gui too, but at least bootability |
| 18:12.53 | victor_rx1950 | psokolovsky: http://pastebin.ca/590637 |
| 18:14.26 | psokolovsky | victor_rx1950: well, so somethings with mmc ;-( |
| 18:20.33 | victor_rx1950 | psokolovsky: what for created rx1950_static? |
| 18:20.44 | rmoravcik | victor_rx1950: i will prepare new s3c-mci driver for hh.org cvs kernel tomorrow |
| 18:21.46 | victor_rx1950 | rmoravcik: old driver works correct |
| 18:22.10 | psokolovsky | victor_rx1950: *_static_defcongif's are automatically generated by defconfigman. they will be also basis for adding machine to OE, so it's good idea to amke sure they work ok |
| 18:22.21 | rmoravcik | victor_rx1950: i don't know, i can't test is, because rx3000 is using asic3_mmc |
| 18:22.33 | victor_rx1950 | rmoravcik: and what for new driver? |
| 18:23.35 | rmoravcik | victor_rx1950: it has dma support and it is maintained by h1940 and openmoko guys |
| 18:24.14 | rmoravcik | victor_rx1950: the old one is not maintained by author yet |
| 18:29.52 | victor_rx1950 | rmoravcik: good =] |
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| 19:26.41 | Bushmill1 | can i somehow turn the cursor permanently on (kdrive/h3900/familiar v0.84), for use with a mouse? |
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| 22:27.09 | OldSchoolNinja | Hello all. I'm trying to install/use Familiar on my iPaq 5550. I've made it to the actual boot process, but it just hangs at the "Please wait: booting" screen. I've let it sit overnight to make sure it wasn't just taking it's time, to no avail. I've also rebooted several times. I have a log file from the serial console. Any help would be appreciated. (Sorry for the text dump, just trying to be descriptive :) |
| 22:33.36 | psokolovsky | OldSchoolNinja: try to post log on pastebin |
| 22:39.05 | OldSchoolNinja | Ok, I posted it |
| 22:42.53 | psokolovsky | cool |
| 23:00.04 | OldSchoolNinja | psokolovsky: Any ideas (if you were looking at it)? |
| 23:00.12 | mmp | OldSchoolNinja: btw, where is the dump? :) |
| 23:00.29 | OldSchoolNinja | Hey mmp! It's here: http://pastebin.com/937091 |
| 23:00.42 | mmp | Sorry I ran away last time, I had some school things to do next day... |
| 23:00.46 | OldSchoolNinja | No worries |
| 23:00.56 | OldSchoolNinja | At least we made some progress on getting a log |
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| 23:02.15 | mmp | hmm, and it just stops there? |
| 23:02.19 | OldSchoolNinja | Yep |
| 23:02.20 | mmp | Any SD card inserted? |
| 23:02.23 | OldSchoolNinja | Yea |
| 23:02.35 | mmp | maybe try to remove it, just a guess... |
| 23:02.46 | OldSchoolNinja | Worth a shot |
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| 23:05.04 | OldSchoolNinja | Stops at the same place. |
| 23:06.06 | mmp | hmm, so let's summarize |
| 23:06.13 | mmp | it definitely initializes kernel correctly |
| 23:06.14 | OldSchoolNinja | ok |
| 23:06.28 | mmp | starts userspace and some initscripts |
| 23:07.54 | mmp | OldSchoolNinja: you might try to boot to single user mode and see what happens... |
| 23:08.16 | OldSchoolNinja | How would I do that? |
| 23:09.15 | mmp | err, not single user, I meant to start just shell instead of /sbin/init |
| 23:09.32 | OldSchoolNinja | Ok, same question :) |
| 23:09.55 | mmp | you need to change linuxargs, change init= to init="/bin/busybox sh" |
| 23:10.02 | OldSchoolNinja | alright |
| 23:10.04 | mmp | or something like that, I don't quite remember:) |
| 23:10.10 | OldSchoolNinja | lol |
| 23:10.29 | mmp | that should bring up at least the shell.. |
| 23:11.48 | mmp | btw, I'm not sure - if the booting stops in userspace, depending on what happens, you might be able to cancel running command by pressing ctrl-c... |
| 23:12.17 | OldSchoolNinja | well here we go |
| 23:12.50 | OldSchoolNinja | lol, stopped in the same place... |
| 23:13.08 | mmp | err, with init="/bin/busybox sh" ? |
| 23:13.48 | OldSchoolNinja | hmm, doesn't look like it worked... |
| 23:13.54 | mmp | that should not happen, unless I messed something up |
| 23:13.56 | mmp | :) |
| 23:14.17 | mmp | give me few seconds |
| 23:14.51 | OldSchoolNinja | looks like it, after I entered the set command, it tried to set init to /bin/busboot |
| 23:14.55 | OldSchoolNinja | kinda weird |
| 23:16.25 | OldSchoolNinja | ok, I'm pretty sure I screwed it up last time. Trying again. |
| 23:16.42 | OldSchoolNinja | Nope, same effect. |
| 23:19.14 | mmp | hmm... |
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| 23:25.19 | mmp | OldSchoolNinja: maybe try "init=/bin/busybox sh" |
| 23:25.39 | OldSchoolNinja | alright |
| 23:26.05 | mmp | but I'm getting some very interesting errors I've not seen before |
| 23:26.17 | OldSchoolNinja | ...cool? |
| 23:26.18 | OldSchoolNinja | lol |
| 23:27.22 | OldSchoolNinja | ooh, bash prompt |
| 23:27.24 | OldSchoolNinja | :) |
| 23:28.38 | mmp | hmm, positive:) |
| 23:29.17 | mmp | now you can try to load the modules from log manually and see what happens |
| 23:29.48 | mmp | you can also do dmesg -n 8 before that, so you will see everything neccessary... |
| 23:30.08 | OldSchoolNinja | ok, how do I load them manually? |
| 23:30.28 | mmp | modprobe modulename, e.g. modprobe h5400_asic |
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| 23:31.58 | mmp | but, honestly, I have no idea why it just stops working... |
| 23:32.05 | mmp | that should not happen... |
| 23:32.43 | mmp | OldSchoolNinja: one more thing, try loading usb-ohci and at76c503-rfmd |
| 23:32.51 | mmp | I'm really curious what will happen |
| 23:32.58 | OldSchoolNinja | Ugh, I can't really read the log to load the modules I need |
| 23:33.10 | OldSchoolNinja | It's got those boxes that are broken characters or whatever |
| 23:33.33 | mmp | hmm, any way, please try the two I suggested above |
| 23:33.52 | mmp | But it's again just a guess |
| 23:34.00 | OldSchoolNinja | just type modprobe usb-ohci and then modprobe at76c503-rfmd |
| 23:34.01 | OldSchoolNinja | ? |
| 23:34.06 | mmp | yes |
| 23:34.15 | mmp | I hope:) |
| 23:34.23 | OldSchoolNinja | ok, modprobe worked |
| 23:34.27 | OldSchoolNinja | er, usb one worked |
| 23:34.55 | OldSchoolNinja | and the other one worked as well |
| 23:35.09 | mmp | no suspicious messages or freeze? |
| 23:35.20 | OldSchoolNinja | nope |
| 23:35.38 | OldSchoolNinja | back to the prompt in under a second each time |
| 23:35.42 | mmp | ok, let's continue |
| 23:35.47 | mmp | modprobe h3600_asic_battery |
| 23:36.08 | OldSchoolNinja | good |
| 23:36.38 | mmp | modprobe usb-eth |
| 23:36.52 | OldSchoolNinja | good |
| 23:36.58 | mmp | and modprobe apm |
| 23:37.07 | OldSchoolNinja | good |
| 23:38.47 | mmp | hmm, now this is weird |
| 23:38.58 | OldSchoolNinja | Something should've broken, eh? |
| 23:39.03 | mmp | yes |
| 23:39.06 | OldSchoolNinja | hmm |
| 23:41.07 | mmp | btw, when you boot your ipaq normally and it freezes - after typing something, do you see echo in terminal? |
| 23:41.36 | OldSchoolNinja | I don't *think* so, but I don't recall. |
| 23:43.24 | mmp | after kernel is initialized, it should do echo on console... |
| 23:43.34 | OldSchoolNinja | It might, I really don't remember. |
| 23:43.53 | OldSchoolNinja | though I would think if it's actually freezing, that it might not echo |
| 23:44.00 | OldSchoolNinja | I could be wrong. |
| 23:44.07 | OldSchoolNinja | I'm not really used to Linux freezing :) |
| 23:44.13 | mmp | :) |
| 23:44.45 | mmp | my idea for now is - if it is just some bug in boot scripts, or some random userspace program doesn't end, you should see the echo |
| 23:45.05 | OldSchoolNinja | Ok |
| 23:45.20 | OldSchoolNinja | Should I reboot from the console and test the theory? |
| 23:45.24 | mmp | if you can't see it, it is possible that something happened to kernel |
| 23:45.44 | mmp | yes:) |
| 23:45.48 | mmp | let's see what happens |
| 23:46.36 | OldSchoolNinja | lol, there is no shutdown command, for some reason |
| 23:46.46 | OldSchoolNinja | but it gives me usage parameters |
| 23:47.28 | mmp | try just reboot -f |
| 23:47.33 | mmp | it might work... |
| 23:47.37 | OldSchoolNinja | nice |
| 23:47.38 | mmp | or might not? :) |
| 23:47.39 | OldSchoolNinja | it did |
| 23:48.03 | OldSchoolNinja | gah, but now I don't get my console log |
| 23:48.09 | mmp | but use the '-f' parameter only when really neccessary |
| 23:48.39 | OldSchoolNinja | ok, so the backlight coming on seems to correspond to that last line where the freeze occurs, btw. And there's no echo from the console when I type |
| 23:49.06 | OldSchoolNinja | Though, could that be because the console parameter is wrong? |
| 23:49.11 | mmp | ok, so we can state that Bad Thing (tm) probably happened |
| 23:49.17 | mmp | might... |
| 23:49.18 | OldSchoolNinja | yes |
| 23:49.21 | OldSchoolNinja | ok, let me try |
| 23:49.37 | mmp | if you did not set the console correctly, there will be no echo:) |
| 23:49.57 | OldSchoolNinja | that makes me a sad panda |
| 23:50.58 | OldSchoolNinja | ok, console is right this time, but still no echo after Bad Thing |
| 23:51.37 | OldSchoolNinja | On a side note, ctrl-c doesn't skip the Bad Thing (figured I'd try, though it's probably a bad idea) |
| 23:51.42 | OldSchoolNinja | ;) |
| 23:52.18 | mmp | ok, here are some things I have on my mind |
| 23:52.35 | mmp | you can try to disable module loading step by step, probably starting with h5400_asic |
| 23:52.50 | mmp | and see whether it helps |
| 23:52.59 | OldSchoolNinja | sounds painful |
| 23:53.03 | mmp | again, it might or might not work |
| 23:53.29 | mmp | I also wonder whether there is some module which has just loaded silently. |
| 23:53.38 | OldSchoolNinja | Seems possible. |
| 23:53.57 | *** join/#handhelds jg (n=jg@c-069-063-212-182.sd2.redwire.net) |
| 23:55.23 | OldSchoolNinja | Well, I'm willing to try whatever you think might help. At this point, it's just a fancy paperweight to me, unless I roll back to Windoze. |
| 23:55.56 | mmp | OldSchoolNinja: well, I'm running out of ideas, except for brute force ones, like 'try to load all modules and see what happens'... |
| 23:56.28 | OldSchoolNinja | How many modules would that be? |
| 23:57.08 | mmp | I have no idea - I don't have familiar on my PDA, so I can't count them easily |
| 23:57.20 | OldSchoolNinja | Hmm |
| 23:57.25 | OldSchoolNinja | Is there another linux option? |
| 23:57.40 | mmp | OldSchoolNinja: stable&working - currently no.. |
| 23:57.47 | OldSchoolNinja | :\ |
| 23:57.59 | mmp | I have 2.6 kernel, which seems to run fine for some basic things |
| 23:58.08 | mmp | with angstrom distro |
| 23:58.46 | mmp | but 'basic' means that you need to activate wifi manually, buttons don't work the way you would expect, some sound problems etc. |
| 23:59.20 | OldSchoolNinja | ugh |
| 23:59.43 | OldSchoolNinja | What're the odds that trying an older version of Familiar might help? |