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| 00:28.36 | groundnuty | there will be a nitification in the event if proposal gets rejected? |
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| 00:32.52 | teepee | groundnuty: i guess the announcement on april 21st will cover that |
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| 00:38.43 | thiago | groundnuty: yes, on April 21st |
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| 02:56.36 | Lyude | How long does it usually take for most organizations to look over the proposals they got? |
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| 02:57.32 | meflin | it depends ... students are informed on the date in the timeline now mater how long it takes |
| 02:58.12 | Lyude | Oh, so I only get informed once the time for them to select who gets in passes? |
| 02:58.27 | meflin | yes |
| 02:58.34 | meflin | !next |
| 02:58.36 | gsocbot | meflin: "next" is Students for Google Summer of Code 2014 will be announced on 21 April, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
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| 05:33.02 | Paramvir | any tips to increase chances of selection |
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| 05:34.49 | stqism | Paramvir: Talk to your applied orgs |
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| 05:35.32 | Paramvir | emailed and sent messages on irc, no reply yet :-/ |
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| 05:38.31 | olly | Paramvir: work on patches to fix some bugs or related to your project, especially if you haven't already |
| 05:39.40 | lucif3r | Heard that student participation in GSoC 2014 was lower compared to last year. |
| 05:40.18 | olly | !numapps | lucif3r |
| 05:40.18 | gsocbot | lucif3r: "numapps" is In 2014, 4420 students submitted 6313 proposals. 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 177/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
| 05:40.40 | olly | so it seems you heard wrong, by either measure |
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| 05:41.36 | lucif3r | looks like 2012 was the crowdest ! |
| 05:42.03 | olly | 4420 > 4258 |
| 05:42.48 | lucif3r | I mean the number of proposals 6685 > 6313 |
| 05:42.51 | olly | i forget which year the max number of proposals was reduced from 20 to 5, but that cut out a lot of junk proposals getting sent to 20 orgs |
| 05:43.06 | olly | but if it was 2013, that could explain that |
| 05:43.30 | olly | generally students seem to have got the message that 1 or maybe 2 good proposals is better than more weak ones |
| 05:43.36 | lucif3r | true that .. But this year also I remember reading a student can submit up to 20. Is it cut short to 5 ? |
| 05:43.52 | olly | it's been 5 this year and last at least |
| 05:46.31 | olly | just checked, it was 20 in 2012 |
| 05:46.56 | olly | and 5 in 2013 |
| 05:47.06 | lucif3r | yeah. and it was 5 this year. That explains a lot |
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| 12:29.46 | anth_x | as an org admin, is it possible to see what ratings other mentors have given a proposal? |
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| 12:31.20 | relucri | as student instead ? is possible to see ratings ? |
| 12:32.11 | olly | anth_x: sadly no |
| 12:32.38 | olly | you only see the total score, how many have scored it, and the average |
| 12:32.45 | olly | no indication of who (aside from yourself) |
| 12:32.57 | olly | I believe I saw an open ticket for it |
| 12:33.36 | anth_x | thanks. there are one or two surprising numbers i'd like to inquire about, but no big deal. |
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| 12:34.51 | olly | not seeing a ticket currently |
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| 12:35.59 | anth_x | where do tickets live? |
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| 12:37.07 | olly | http://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list |
| 12:37.22 | olly | i wonder if there's a factoid |
| 12:37.23 | olly | !bugs |
| 12:37.24 | gsocbot | olly: "bugs" is http://tinyurl.com/new-issue |
| 12:37.53 | olly | hmm, i feel the issue list is more useful |
| 12:37.57 | olly | !forget bugs |
| 12:37.58 | gsocbot | olly: The operation succeeded. |
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| 12:38.29 | olly | !learn bugs as https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list |
| 12:38.30 | gsocbot | olly: "bugs" is https://code.google.com/p/soc/issues/list |
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| 12:38.52 | olly | at least makes it easier to see if it's already filed |
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| 12:40.54 | olly | relucri: students can't see their ratings |
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| 12:41.11 | Niharika | We can´t sort them by dates, I see. |
| 12:41.17 | olly | they're just a tool for the org to use anyway |
| 12:41.17 | relucri | thanks olly :) |
| 12:41.29 | olly | and some orgs don't set them at all |
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| 12:41.47 | olly | Niharika: proposals or bugs? |
| 12:41.54 | Niharika | Bugs. |
| 12:42.02 | olly | "ID" is date order |
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| 12:42.41 | olly | since the bugs are numbered sequentially in the order they were opened |
| 12:42.55 | Niharika | olly: Oh, okay. Cool. |
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| 12:43.02 | olly | you can't sort by the star column though |
| 12:43.52 | olly | are "Open and starred by me" at least lets you see those |
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| 12:44.56 | anth_x | olly: awesome, thanks. |
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| 12:45.23 | anth_x | seems like you keep having the answers to my questions. super helpful. :-) |
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| 12:45.52 | olly | np |
| 12:45.56 | anth_x | here, have a cupcake i made. :-) |
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| 13:17.56 | ariz | hello |
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| 13:18.27 | ariz | when will the results of gsoc accepted students be announced? |
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| 13:20.20 | kodapad | ariz: !timeline |
| 13:20.35 | kodapad | Uh doesn't work anymore? |
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| 13:21.00 | teepee | channel topic :) |
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| 13:32.34 | KolibriOS|yogev | !timeline |
| 13:32.34 | gsocbot | KolibriOS|yogev: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
| 13:32.46 | KolibriOS|yogev | !timeline | ariz |
| 13:32.47 | gsocbot | ariz: "timeline" is http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/events/google/gsoc2014 |
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| 13:32.52 | KolibriOS|yogev | works for me :-) |
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| 13:51.01 | ariz | thank you |
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| 13:56.36 | rkmohapatra | i want to know for what purpose this time is given for (21 - 7) |
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| 13:59.20 | rick_h_ | rkmohapatra: it's time for mentoring orgs to go through all the awesome proposals and score, comment, and discuss them. |
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| 14:00.07 | rkmohapatra | discuss with themselves or with the student |
| 14:00.26 | rick_h_ | rkmohapatra: both if required. If they have questions or need more details they can request that from the students |
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| 14:01.12 | rkmohapatra | so we need to be in irc |
| 14:01.38 | rick_h_ | well it's always a good idea because it's great community involvement. However, if you submitted an application I'm sure they've got a few ways to contact you for details |
| 14:02.03 | rkmohapatra | hmmm rt |
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| 14:02.09 | rkmohapatra | thanx |
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| 14:02.33 | perepujal | rkmohapatra: mentors evaluate applications, but also evaluate other things |
| 14:02.56 | perepujal | like community involvment, code in bug fixes and so on |
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| 14:44.52 | patrickg | the preamble of https://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2014/org_admin_agreement is weird. how are mentors supposed to have "legal authority to bind mentor organization"? |
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| 14:54.31 | KolibriOS|yogev | patrickg: It's the same agreement for mentors and org.admins, you can ignore the org.admin part. |
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| 15:01.37 | patrickg | KolibriOS|yogev: I'm org-admin, but one of our would-be mentors has concerns since this part (and others like it) doesn't explicitely apply to org-admins only |
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| 15:02.37 | KolibriOS|yogev | patrickg: That's the answer that was given on this channel by carols - the text is the same, mentors can ignore the org.admin part. I am just quoting :-) |
| 15:02.52 | patrickg | KolibriOS|yogev: ok, thanks :) |
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| 15:23.40 | Jugo-igor | hi, I'm just curious - why is the "Community bonding soon" perios so long? =) |
| 15:24.01 | Jugo-igor | period* |
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| 15:25.15 | LuchFilip | Jugo-igor: "We got some great feedback from our students and mentors last year that three months is often too little time to read necessary documentation, write code and participate in the organization's community in-depth. Since our not so secret desire is for our students to stick around and keep contributing to their organization's code base long after the program ends, we figured we'd give you some extra time to get up to |
| 15:25.16 | LuchFilip | speed on the community side." |
| 15:25.23 | LuchFilip | http://googlesummerofcode.blogspot.com/2007/04/so-what-is-this-community-bonding-all.html |
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| 16:23.43 | gsocbot | one_more_minute: "next" is Students for Google Summer of Code 2014 will be announced on 21 April, 2014 at 19:00 UTC |
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| 16:52.58 | ishitva | Hello . I want to ask , now that we have submitted our application to the organization , what are we supposed to do till the selection results are declared ? |
| 16:53.36 | mbalmer | wait? |
| 16:53.37 | AI0867 | further get to know the org and codebase? |
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| 16:54.57 | ishitva | Oka |
| 16:54.59 | ishitva | Okay* |
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| 17:07.10 | chomu | wen is the community bonding period? |
| 17:08.39 | AI0867 | chomu: officially, when students are accepted, but you can start now |
| 17:08.59 | chomu | oh |
| 17:09.00 | chomu | ok |
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| 17:28.06 | captn3m0 | !numapps |
| 17:28.07 | gsocbot | captn3m0: "numapps" is In 2014, 4420 students submitted 6313 proposals. 190 of 371 mentoring orgs were accepted. 2013: 177/417 orgs; 4144 students submitted 5999 proposals, of which 1192 were accepted. 2012: 180/406 orgs; 1212/6685 proposals (by 4258 students). 2011: 175/417 orgs; 1116/5474 proposals (by 3731 students). 2010: 151/367 orgs; 1026/5539 proposals (by 3464 students) |
| 17:29.03 | TheCommieDuck | That's kinda uncanny |
| 17:29.33 | TheCommieDuck | 2013-2014 there were 394 more students and 314 more proposals..which is pretty close |
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| 19:15.15 | riteshkarval | how mentors choose the best proposal?? |
| 19:15.30 | stqism | Depends on the org |
| 19:15.32 | waldi | ask them |
| 19:15.35 | mbalmer | by rolling a dice? |
| 19:15.41 | stqism | Totally! |
| 19:16.46 | riteshkarval | during the proposal time, mentors contact me, but now they are not contacting so what can I mean this? |
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| 19:16.54 | gevaerts | They look at the proposals, then they think about it, and then they say "That one's the best!" |
| 19:17.13 | gevaerts | It doesn't have to mean anything |
| 19:17.41 | gevaerts | First of all some of them may have waited until the end of applications before even looking |
| 19:18.07 | riteshkarval | it is possible that mentors does not communicate you before final announcement of candidates? |
| 19:18.16 | gevaerts | It's possible |
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| 19:18.52 | stqism | I don't want any of my mentors reaching out to students before the deadline |
| 19:19.03 | riteshkarval | gevaerts: but the application time is over, and now what can I do to make my chance much more |
| 19:19.07 | stqism | I'm sure other orgs have some policy like that too |
| 19:19.18 | gevaerts | riteshkarval: continue interacting with the organisation |
| 19:19.23 | stqism | ^ |
| 19:19.33 | gevaerts | That's *always* the right thing to do |
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| 19:20.17 | riteshkarval | gevaerts: but there is no reply on their IRC channel, then what i do, can I mail them? |
| 19:20.44 | gevaerts | Not all organisations use irc a lot |
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| 19:21.07 | riteshkarval | so what can i do, other than mail? |
| 19:21.25 | gevaerts | Do they use a mailing list? Are you subscribed to that? |
| 19:21.41 | KolibriOS|yogev | stqism: I am exactly the opposite, I want mentors to interact with potential students to see how they manage. |
| 19:21.43 | gevaerts | Also, make sure your interactions are interesting to them. Don't talk about the weather, talk about the code you're working on |
| 19:22.01 | gevaerts | Well, if the code deals with the weather, you can talk about that :) |
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| 19:22.48 | stqism | KolibriOS|yogev: It's one thing when a student reaches out, but I don't want mentors contacting students and telling them that they'll get chosen/etc |
| 19:23.11 | gevaerts | stqism: well, they shouldn't be saying that at all... |
| 19:23.34 | gevaerts | Not before the application deadline, but not before the announcement of selected projectsn either |
| 19:23.38 | KolibriOS|yogev | stqism: Oh, not in that meaning. I mean mentors giving feedback to students on their proposal and their qualification tasks. |
| 19:23.54 | riteshkarval | gevarts:and one thing more, in a proposal I got some task to do, but I am too much busy in my semester, then what I do, i want to do the project in summer, but now I have no time to do something |
| 19:23.59 | KolibriOS|yogev | stqism: I expect my mentors to do that. |
| 19:24.22 | gevaerts | riteshkarval: this is going to sound like a broken record, but "talk to them" |
| 19:24.53 | riteshkarval | gevaerts: but I can't play with my degree also |
| 19:25.07 | gevaerts | riteshkarval: what do you want us to say? |
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| 19:26.12 | riteshkarval | gevaerts:if I do something other than my semester assignments and exams, then I can lose my Master's degree |
| 19:26.27 | gevaerts | Yes |
| 19:26.54 | PlkMndy | it would have been a good idea to warn about this in your application, and anticipate and interact with the org during and before the application period |
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| 19:27.13 | PlkMndy | now all you can do is send them a mail to tell them you are not very available |
| 19:27.20 | gevaerts | So if you think you have a convincing argument not to do their qualification task and get selected anyway, guess who you should tell about it? |
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| 19:39.05 | Arius51 | Hi guys, We have reach the application deadline or we reach only the registration deadline ?? |
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| 19:40.34 | gevaerts | The timeline says "Student application deadline". I don't know what that means |
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| 19:41.24 | Arius51 | Ok, thanks |
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| 19:43.16 | sinhayash | gevaerts count? |
| 19:43.30 | gevaerts | lost that a while ago |
| 19:43.59 | meflin | my guess is 19.5 but I've not reviewed very moment |
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