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| 14:53.05 | ambarpal | I have a query regarding compiling brlcad using gcc |
| 14:53.56 | MatthewWilkes | ambarpal: So ask brlcad about it |
| 14:53.59 | blast007 | ambarpal: try asking on the #brlcad channel |
| 14:54.13 | ambarpal | ok thankyou |
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| 14:59.43 | ambarpal | no one is responding on the #brlcad channel can someone help me with compiling brlcad with gcc |
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| 15:01.06 | MatthewWilkes | ambarpal: Then wait |
| 15:01.29 | MatthewWilkes | ambarpal: You wouldn't go into a shop and ask for help with your credit card because the line at the bank was too long, would you? |
| 15:01.44 | MatthewWilkes | This channel is about GSoC and GCI, not technical help for the projects participating |
| 15:02.05 | JordiGH | General savoire-faire... |
| 15:02.42 | ambarpal | haha ok then i will wait for a response on #brlcad |
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| 15:02.51 | JordiGH | ambarpal: What the hell, it's a slow morning at work, I'll go help. |
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| 15:03.38 | thebolt | MatthewWilkes: :) |
| 15:04.22 | MatthewWilkes | hi thebolt |
| 15:04.42 | JordiGH | MatthewWilkes: I don't think that's a very valid analogy. Unlike the shop, many of us can probably figure out how to compile brlcad. I prefer channels without an active topic police, even though I recognise this has one. |
| 15:05.21 | MatthewWilkes | JordiGH: One of the aims of these programs is to get people involved with the participating communities, not to create a newbie-friendly helpdesk |
| 15:05.44 | MatthewWilkes | It's our responsibility to not let our helpfulness undermine that |
| 15:05.46 | JordiGH | Sure, but there isn't a GSoC going on right now, and getting people involved may help if you at least help them compile it. |
| 15:06.07 | MatthewWilkes | JordiGH: There's a GCI though. |
| 15:07.13 | JordiGH | Ah, I see. |
| 15:07.21 | JordiGH | So this is a task specifically about how to do it. |
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| 15:30.59 | brlcad | heh, thanks JordiGH |
| 15:31.39 | brlcad | his patience lasted all of 5 minutes |
| 15:35.25 | JordiGH | brlcad: My patience? |
| 15:35.47 | brlcad | the student has an uphill battle -- the task is compiling brl-cad using latest gcc trunk (4.8) sources and he got stuck asking which file he needs to compile |
| 15:36.06 | brlcad | JordiGH: no, the student's, yours was great -- thanks for trying to help |
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| 15:39.01 | JordiGH | brlcad: Out of curiousity, is the issue that the newest gcc is more strict about what kind of code it accepts? |
| 15:39.18 | JordiGH | The gcc devs keep adding more and more checks for things that should have never compiled but did. |
| 15:40.10 | brlcad | JordiGH: yeah, as of around the gcc 4.6 line there's been infrastructure in place for doing much better checks for problems and they've continued to add them through the 4.7 and 4.8 line |
| 15:40.26 | brlcad | especially turning up optimization and warning flags |
| 15:40.45 | JordiGH | I'm really liking how gcc is turning out. |
| 15:40.51 | brlcad | we compile strict and clean with nearly every warning enabled, so that task aims to head up any that we haven't seen yet |
| 15:42.05 | brlcad | there was a great session at the mentor summit where I talked some about that and other code hardening resources |
| 15:42.36 | JordiGH | Isn't hardened code also more brittle? ;-) |
| 15:42.40 | JordiGH | I suppose not if you anneal it... |
| 15:42.44 | JordiGH | Forged code! |
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| 16:17.57 | Guest64050 | i would like to know how to understand the concept of gsoc??? |
| 16:18.17 | Guest64050 | any help is of great importance |
| 16:19.09 | Guest64050 | pls |
| 16:20.34 | JordiGH | What do you want to know????????? |
| 16:20.44 | JordiGH | pls |
| 16:21.11 | Guest64050 | i went through some of the projects |
| 16:21.26 | Guest64050 | but could not understand |
| 16:21.54 | Guest64050 | which of them were of my level to understand |
| 16:22.31 | JordiGH | So you want to know what projects you could participate in? What are your current interests? Beyond programming languages, what do you like to do with computers? |
| 16:23.22 | Guest64050 | i like to explore new softwares but have never been into the source code of those |
| 16:23.38 | JordiGH | Which software do you like to explore? |
| 16:24.14 | Guest64050 | i am new to linux operating system |
| 16:24.32 | Guest64050 | so in a way i am new to the open soyrce softwares |
| 16:24.37 | Guest64050 | *source |
| 16:25.08 | JordiGH | Well, there is free software that runs on other operating systems. |
| 16:25.24 | JordiGH | You don't have to run a free OS to have some experience with free software. |
| 16:25.35 | Guest64050 | i have used openoffice |
| 16:25.41 | Guest64050 | for example |
| 16:26.02 | JordiGH | Do you like it? Do you want to improve it? |
| 16:26.03 | Guest64050 | but its functionality compared to libreoffice is lesser |
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| 16:26.36 | JordiGH | LibreOffice is a fork of it. Some people didn't like how OpenOffice.org was being developed, so they took the code and modified it their own way. |
| 16:27.53 | Guest64050 | actually as per how i found there were certain flaws that came while viewing the presentations compared to libreoffice |
| 16:28.19 | Guest64050 | like missing of certain components of the slides |
| 16:28.24 | JordiGH | So Libreoffice is written in Java and C++, if memory serves. It's also quite a large codebase. Do you think you would like to help them make it better? |
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| 16:29.18 | Guest64050 | the best part is that i have been learning java for quite a time now and i am quite proficient in it |
| 16:29.28 | JordiGH | Do you know much about Microsoft Office formats? A lot of the problems that LibreOffice has viewing presentations stem from interpreting those formats. The old binary .doc, .xls, and .ppt formats are documented online, but it's very common now to see OOXML formats instead. |
| 16:29.29 | Guest64050 | that interests me |
| 16:30.06 | Guest64050 | i have to go through it deeper to understand it |
| 16:30.30 | Guest64050 | i am familiar with .doc. .ppt .xls |
| 16:30.43 | JordiGH | Guest64050: If you are optimistic that GSoC 2013 happening, you might want to get involved with LibreOffice right now and see what sort of things they need help with. You should start with acquiring the source and compiling it yourself. |
| 16:31.31 | JordiGH | Guest64050: You are? You know how the binary format is laid out? It's actually very interesting. It's based on implementing a wrapper format that sort of looks like a filesystem and parts of it (text, images, cells) are sort of like files. |
| 16:31.36 | Guest64050 | i also want to understand about the bug detection and debugging part in a software |
| 16:32.06 | Guest64050 | nd also about the patching method |
| 16:33.12 | Guest64050 | i have been working currently in binary file system in my undergraduation course |
| 16:33.18 | Guest64050 | in java |
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| 16:34.02 | JordiGH | In India or Pakistan, probably. |
| 16:34.51 | Guest64050 | i am a 2nd year student of B.E.computer science from BITS Pilani Goa India |
| 16:35.32 | JordiGH | I wonder why we seem to get far fewer grad students doing GSoC. Too busy not doing their theses, I guess. |
| 16:36.28 | Guest64050 | well multitasking is prominent in Indian students!!! |
| 16:36.28 | Guest64050 | i guess |
| 16:37.13 | Guest64050 | can you pls tell me about the bug tracking and patching part in a software? |
| 16:37.43 | Guest64050 | which way to go through the source code?? |
| 16:38.32 | JordiGH | All software? Or just Libreoffice? |
| 16:38.41 | JordiGH | If it's the former, that's a pretty tall order. |
| 16:39.37 | Guest64050 | well in general....cause i have came across a project called BuildBot and that interests me |
| 16:40.14 | JordiGH | I can't answer that better than Wikipedia can: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bug_tracking |
| 16:40.25 | JordiGH | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_patch |
| 16:41.24 | Guest64050 | ok i wil go through it...if i need any more help can i approach you again?? |
| 16:41.49 | JordiGH | I'd rather not be specifically the one who will guide you through everything, but you're free to ask here again. |
| 16:42.16 | Guest64050 | ok thanks for the help |
| 16:42.45 | Guest64050 | and does the participanting organizations remain almost same every year? |
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| 16:43.15 | JordiGH | There is a strong correlation, but remember there's no guarantee that there even will be a GSoC in 2013. Google might decide to not do it. |
| 16:44.35 | Guest64050 | ok but if i want to contribute to the open source society on my interest based project |
| 16:44.44 | Guest64050 | can i pursue that? |
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| 16:45.02 | JordiGH | Sure, you don't need google to contribute to free software. |
| 16:45.16 | Guest64050 | ya ok |
| 16:45.27 | Guest64050 | thank you so much for your help |
| 16:45.30 | JordiGH | There isn't really a society, by the way. |
| 16:45.34 | JordiGH | Sure, no problem. |
| 16:46.09 | DevJ | How many tasks you guys have done? |
| 16:47.10 | JordiGH | So how did GSoC get so famous in India? |
| 16:47.16 | JordiGH | I find this so interesting. We have such a large amount of interested Indian students, and I feel a great cultural gap with respect to them. |
| 16:47.28 | JordiGH | As if they were speaking a completely different language, even though it's English. |
| 16:48.02 | gevaerts | has doubts about being familiar with doc, xls, and ppt, but needing help with bug trackers |
| 16:48.25 | MatthewWilkes | gevaerts: We all did. |
| 16:48.34 | JordiGH | I don't think I was able to communicate much of value to that person. |
| 16:48.55 | MatthewWilkes | (S)he meant (s)he'd used those file types before |
| 16:49.09 | gevaerts | Yes, likely |
| 16:49.11 | nihathrael | JordiGH: I feel the same, I think a lot of universities endorse it in india |
| 16:49.22 | nihathrael | in contrast to western unis where it really doesn't fit the schedule at all |
| 16:50.53 | JordiGH | nihathrael: I get a little... annoyed? burnt out? by these scores of Indians, but there's talent to be found everywhere, and I try to stick by my maxim that motivation and dedication are more important than knowledge or intelligence. |
| 16:52.10 | nihathrael | yea I know what you mean, it takes a lot of energy to explain stuff to people with a completely different background. It can be quite rewarding, but obviously also very frustrating |
| 16:54.04 | gsathya | JordiGH: There's lots of reasons for GSoC being famous in India. |
| 16:54.10 | JordiGH | One thing I don't get (are you Indian yourself?) are the apparent levels of politeness. "Sir, how do i participate in GSoC??? pls respond" |
| 16:55.00 | JordiGH | Reminds me of http://xkcd.com/75/ |
| 16:55.08 | gsathya | JordiGH: For starters, interns in India get paid less than 1/5th of what GSoC pays. Remote work, supposed brand value, et all help. |
| 16:55.46 | JordiGH | gsathya: Sure, but this is true of most of the world outside Angloamerica and Europe. Why India? |
| 16:56.05 | gsathya | China's blocked GSoC? |
| 16:56.11 | JordiGH | Oh, it has? |
| 16:56.59 | nihathrael | we haven't seen any chinese students/applications, but neither have we seen exactly many contributions in general from china |
| 16:57.00 | gsathya | I don't know. I'm just being silly. But, we do have a lot of highly competitive engineering students here. |
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| 16:57.28 | MatthewWilkes | gsathya: Yeah, all of app engine is blocked in china |
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| 16:57.41 | gsathya | Ah. |
| 16:57.54 | JordiGH | So it's like the guy says in Life of Pi? |
| 16:58.04 | JordiGH | Maybe it's just true that all Indians are born engineers? ;-) |
| 16:58.27 | nihathrael | they sure as hell know how to study a lot, I notice that at the uni every day |
| 16:58.38 | nihathrael | same for the chinese though |
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| 16:58.46 | nihathrael | only the germans are super lazy :P |
| 16:58.47 | JordiGH | Probably due to overpopulation. |
| 16:59.01 | JordiGH | And does Germany still have negative population growth? It did for a while. |
| 17:02.02 | nihathrael | yea, still does I think |
| 17:02.25 | nihathrael | Getting kids is quite unpopular at the moment it seems |
| 17:02.33 | nihathrael | everyone wants to make a great carrier and such |
| 17:03.05 | scorche|sh | wouldnt mind having a great aircraft carrier |
| 17:03.44 | |Kev| | I think I'd quite like a small aircraft carrier. Maybe one that could fit in the bath. |
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| 17:04.46 | scorche|sh | those are easy to get though |
| 17:04.55 | scorche|sh | i can imagine doing a lot of fun things with a big one |
| 17:05.03 | scorche|sh | just need to get funding for fuel and such... |
| 17:06.19 | nihathrael | I see what you did there :) |
| 17:06.53 | nihathrael | but I guess you know what I ment |
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| 17:08.01 | nihathrael | meant* |
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| 19:18.38 | Darrel | .. |
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| 19:37.03 | Lennie | yeah :P, nasty command Darrel ^_^ |
| 19:38.03 | Darrel | :) Had to explain in 20 channels what the heck is going on :) |
| 19:38.20 | JordiGH | Did you use /wallchan again? |
| 19:39.29 | Darrel | Nope :P |
| 19:40.56 | Lennie | I actually used /wallchan on another server but apparently it sends to all my connected servers :P |
| 19:41.44 | Darrel | Yeah, I used it in Rizon - it spammed everywhere :) |
| 19:42.15 | JordiGH | test |
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