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| 00:26.36 | platzhirsch | no news yet about a possible GSOC '12.. hmpf, still hope it will take it place this year |
| 00:37.07 | MatthewWilkes | !will there be | platzhirsch |
| 00:37.07 | gsocbot | platzhirsch: "will there be" is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpaQpyU_QiM |
| 00:37.40 | platzhirsch | MatthewWilkes: Hey, I didn't asked it straight away, whether it will take place or not :P! |
| 00:38.07 | MatthewWilkes | platzhirsch: huh? |
| 00:38.47 | platzhirsch | it seems this bot macro ist for people askin whether GSOC 2012 will take place |
| 00:39.27 | MatthewWilkes | platzhirsch: Yeah, seemed like you were fishing for info :) |
| 00:40.06 | platzhirsch | this question was asked way to often |
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| 12:11.49 | srijan02420 | Can anyone please tell me , how many people will gsoc take for wordpress? |
| 12:15.27 | blast007 | srijan02420: GSoC 2012 hasn't even been announced yet. and even if it was, that info wouldn't be known until closer to the final selections. |
| 12:15.52 | blast007 | not sure if that would be shared with the prospective students either. |
| 12:16.06 | srijan02420 | ok thanks!! |
| 12:19.43 | SeySayux | How long does a student have to "work" for the GSoC program? Does the contract list a start and end date of employment? |
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| 12:21.37 | Ivanovic | srijan02420: often the number of students is limited by the capacity the mentoring organizations (in your case wordpress) have |
| 12:22.00 | Ivanovic | srijan02420: so it makes sense to look at previous years to get an idea how many they handled then |
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| 12:22.43 | srijan02420 | Ivanovic ya i will see , thanks a lot |
| 12:24.17 | Ivanovic | though this does not guarantee several things |
| 12:24.23 | Ivanovic | 1) will there be a gsoc2012? |
| 12:24.29 | Ivanovic | 2) will wordpress participate? |
| 12:24.41 | Ivanovic | 3) can they handle the same amount of students as in previous years? |
| 12:25.06 | gevaerts | and 4) will they get the amount they ask for? |
| 12:25.25 | gevaerts | SeySayux: there are well defined begin and end dates |
| 12:26.00 | SeySayux | gevaerts: Can I see a sample contract somewhere? |
| 12:26.21 | gevaerts | I'm not sure what the actual paperwork looks like |
| 12:27.20 | gevaerts | As an indication, last year's terms of service are at 13:21:37 <Ivanovic> srijan02420: often the number of students is limited by the capacity the mentoring organizations (in your case wordpress) have |
| 12:27.33 | gevaerts | 13:22:00 <Ivanovic> srijan02420: so it makes sense to look at previous years to get an idea how many they handled then |
| 12:27.33 | gevaerts | oops |
| 12:27.35 | gevaerts | As an indication, last year's terms of service are at http://google-melange.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/tos |
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| 12:27.58 | gevaerts | The timeline is at http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/timeline and there's a FAQ at http://www.google-melange.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2011/faqs |
| 12:29.02 | SeySayux | gevaerts: I checked the timeline, I take it starts from "Students begin coding [...]" until "Firm pencils down [...]"? |
| 12:29.36 | SeySayux | Regulations in my country say I can only do student work for a maximum of 50 days, so I'd need to know how long GSoC takes if I want to participate. |
| 12:31.46 | gevaerts | There's not really a clear answer to that I think. GSoC doesn't have firm rules about how many hours you have to work, apart from vaguish things like "a full-time job" |
| 12:34.01 | SeySayux | GSoC is a little bit unique since it isn't a job you go to and work n hours per day, but instead one you can work on when you want/in your free time, so I can't really find much info on regulations. |
| 12:34.17 | gevaerts | Yes, it's a bit of an edge case in many respects |
| 12:34.29 | ojwb | it's pretty clearly more than 50 days though |
| 12:34.41 | ojwb | that's just over 7 weeks |
| 12:34.59 | ojwb | and the coding period is about 12 to 13 weeks |
| 12:35.00 | gevaerts | ojwb: that assumes 7 working days per week |
| 12:35.03 | thiago | don't think of GSoC as "work on your free time" |
| 12:35.10 | thiago | think of it as "main work, with flexible hours" |
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| 12:36.14 | SeySayux | Well, I still have university work in the mean time as well (lectures, exams, ...) -- I hope GSoC isn't too demanding for that? |
| 12:36.16 | ojwb | gevaerts: ah, true, though you'd only be able to do about 4 days a week |
| 12:36.21 | Ivanovic | 12 to 13 weeks with each 5 working days (meaning: as required effort assume a 40h week) |
| 12:36.35 | Ivanovic | so yeah, you are above the 50 days doing those calcs |
| 12:36.45 | Ivanovic | SeySayux: gsoc is basically a full time job |
| 12:37.03 | gevaerts | Of course it's entirely possible that gsoc2012 will be entirely different with one month tasks spread out over the southern hemisphere summer and flexible pass/fail handling, with a mentor summit in Zurich, and taking place in 2014... |
| 12:37.08 | thiago | at the very least, a full-time internship |
| 12:37.34 | gevaerts | SeySayux: try finding students from your country who have participated, and talk to them |
| 12:39.04 | SeySayux | gevaerts: I have a very tough time finding anyone or any resource on it. I asked the people at my university that are responsible for providing info about student job regulations, and they said they never head of GSoC and neither about anyone else that participated. |
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| 12:39.30 | Ivanovic | those at your university won't be able to tell you unless they had several students before |
| 12:39.46 | Ivanovic | you have to try to find *students* who participated |
| 12:40.55 | ojwb | there's a spreadsheet showing number of participants by country isn't there? |
| 12:41.04 | ojwb | by institution too IIRC |
| 12:41.37 | Ivanovic | ojwb: i remember that there was info like this once upon the time |
| 12:43.02 | SeySayux | If I have to ask every student in my university "did you participate in GSoC", that would be O(n). |
| 12:43.20 | thiago | if you leave a note somewhere public, it's O(1) |
| 12:43.33 | thiago | or O(n) but with n being the number of notes, not of students |
| 12:43.33 | thiago | :-) |
| 12:44.23 | SeySayux | And if I had to ask every student "Did you participate to GSoC under the new revised student work laws of 2012", it would essentially be reduced to O(1) as the answer would always be false. |
| 12:44.57 | gevaerts | the gsoc discuss list might be a good place to ask |
| 12:45.36 | thiago | if the laws changed this year, then no one will be able to answer |
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| 12:47.12 | SeySayux | Well, they didn't change that much. Only thing that changed are a few numeric constants, such as the amount of days you need to work and the amount of tax you need to pay. |
| 12:47.50 | thiago | ask your advisors and professors for a "3-month full-time internship" |
| 12:47.54 | thiago | they will be able to answer that |
| 12:49.55 | SeySayux | Hmmkay, I think I'll post a topic on our university's phpbb and send a mail to social security and finance dept of my country, they should be able to answer my questions (or so they claim on their website) |
| 12:56.10 | SeySayux | Thanks for the help everyone :) |
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| 15:22.12 | prafulla | how can i participate in gsoc as a student |
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| 15:24.52 | prafulla | how can i participate in google summer of code |
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| 15:29.15 | Triskelios | prafulla: wait for the announcement. there is no guarantee that GSoC will happen this year |
| 15:29.40 | Triskelios | also, look at last year's rules |
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| 15:37.14 | prafulla | okkk |
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