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01:22.48erlehmann!help
01:22.48socinfo"help" is (#1) !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax, or (#2) Please issue these commands in pm, to find out how simply type: /msg socinfo help
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11:37.17erlehmannproof of enrollment is sent.
11:37.40erlehmanni hope it was in time. UTC is like 11:37 now ?
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11:39.04erlehmanncrap, mailserver fail
11:42.13r0bby|androidWhy'd you wait?
11:43.28r0bby|androidIt's not 2359UTC
11:43.54r0bby|androidYou're fine
11:46.03r0bby|android1145UTC currently (in the morning)
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13:00.58erlehmann1300UTC
13:01.00erlehmanni am fine !
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13:53.58ALRHi, all.  I'm admittedly a bit behind on current status.  Is it too late to announce new projects for this season?
13:54.49ALRI'd like to throw http://jboss.org/shrinkwrap into the mix.  It's Java-based, and has no dependencies aside from the platform libraries.
13:57.01dwins!schedule
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13:57.10dandersonwhat?
13:57.25dandersonwhat do you mean "new projects"
13:58.40ALRdanderson: Support students, provide tasks, targeted towards our open-source project.
13:58.56ojwbALR: you're either a few months late, or many months early
13:59.30ALRojwb: :) That's what I'd suspected.
13:59.45ALRThanks guys.
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15:08.57merwok!extension
15:08.57socinfo"extension" is The deadline WAS NOT extended and WILL NOT be. Not even for you.
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15:30.50merwokHey people, does Carol send back an email acknowledging she got the papers ok?
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15:53.58rohitrmerwok: She does send an email saying that she got the papers. If you have just sent your documents I would advise you to wait for some time for the acknowledgment mail.
15:54.39merwokThanks, that’s the reply I was hoping for :)
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15:58.08merwokAnd of course, the digest email just came in and answered my question.
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16:21.53thebolthi carols
16:22.00carolshey thebolt
16:22.05carolshappy friday
16:22.22merwokHappy friday, pasta for everyone \o/
16:22.43merwok(Friday is the holy day for believers in the Flying Spaghetti Monster)
16:22.44theboltyou too.. not that it makes any difference though :P
16:23.48carolsit makes a difference to me. its my last day of work until monday :-)
16:23.57KosmaFriday > Monday
16:23.58Kosma:)
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16:25.01theboltcarols: good for you :) I'll work tomorrow as well, then take sunday off (going to some museums with a friend)
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16:25.59merwokKosma, you’re so right. This whole week has been like an unending Monday for me, I hated it.
16:26.02rohitrwaves at carols.
16:26.16theboltmerwok: ouch
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16:26.34rohitrmerwok: Isnt every week like that ?? :-)
16:26.55merwokrohitr, normally Mondayness lasts only one to two days.
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16:28.49carolswaves at rohitr
16:28.59carolsthebolt: sounds very nice :-)
16:29.17rohitrmerwok: ahh then I am alone, I guess. I have a class at 7 am every morning. And since I am the only student in class, I *have* to show up, on time. :-| For me 'Mondayness' lasts the week.
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16:29.44rohitrcarols, I hope you are not drowned in last minute submissions.
16:29.51merwokhides
16:29.55Kosmatalk about drowning...
16:30.02Kosmaa flood wave is approaching my city
16:30.05carolsrohitr: nah, its actually not as bad today as it has been the last couple days
16:30.46KosmaI won't drown, probably, but losing electricity and internet connection is very probable
16:30.46rohitrouch! I sent my docs, the day before yesterday. Sorry, I should have sent them before. :)
16:31.23carolsrohitr: no worries. that's why there
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16:31.26carols's a deadline
16:32.15merwokrohitr, logic points you should have sent them *after*, since Carol says it’s not as bad today as the last days. (:
16:32.56carolsyou know what, its the same amount of work for me checking them no matter what day you submit them :-)
16:33.08rohitrmerwok: Not logic, but 'hindsight' perhaps. Logic(rather past experiences) would have shown that last minute submissions number the most.
16:33.41merwokYou didn’t get my twisted logic. :)
16:34.02carolssips some more coffee in the hopes of understanding things better
16:34.40rohitrcarols, I can only imagine. 1025 sets of documents to process!!! TBRH I could never do that.
16:34.52rohitrmerwok: Perhaps.:)
16:35.03carolsrohitr: i love my job. its the best one at google. processing docs is but a small part of it. :-)
16:35.59rohitrcarols: Of course. I would love to work at Google too. (Anyone listening ;)
16:36.10carolsrohitr: we're always listening ;-)
16:36.50merwokI’m secretary of my volunteer association, I’ve had to contact dozens of people for a meeting, culminating with having to reach more than a hundred people to hold our yearly meeting. That was fun and painful :)
16:37.26carolsbesides, i get to interact with every student participating in GSoC this year. that's pretty cool. :-)
16:37.34merwokI prefer the bookkeeping. Documents are nice. Working in a small team is great. More than four people is trouble :)
16:38.02rohitrWe love talking with you , carols. :-)
16:38.19carolsrohitr: awwww thanks. :-)
16:39.15rohitrmerwok: I did some marketing for my college event, and trust me I made so many mistakes with keeping records, it was painful.
16:39.56merwokcarols, I’d enjoy cookies more so than talking.
16:41.00carolstrundles off to find some cookies
16:41.11merwokrohitr, want some fun? The database used to keep track of members of the association was a bloody spreadsheet (closed format at that), so I had to screen four hundred lines to get the current members.
16:41.24merwokYay for export to CSV and Python \o/
16:41.32rohitrOuch!! Not me, carols. I enjoy real talking more than virtual cookies ;)
16:41.45rohitrmerwok: How about paper records. ;-)
16:41.45carolsrohitr: everyone's got their preferences ;-)
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16:45.44ajuonlinecarols: i can haz chocolates?
16:45.55carolsserves ajuonline some chocolates
16:45.56carols:-)
16:46.27mlankhorsthands out stroopwafels
16:46.28ajuonlinecarols: thanks! good morning :)
16:46.37carolsajuonline: good morning to you too :-)
16:46.43carolsmunches some stroopwafels
16:46.46carolsthanks mlankhorst!
16:47.01ajuonlinehttp://twitpic.com/1ppzzw
16:47.15mlankhorstoff to bed for a bit, collapsing
16:47.39ajuonlinemlankhorst: sleep wellz!
16:47.51ajuonlinewill collapse as well soon
16:48.03carolssleep well mlankhorst
16:55.48merwokrohitr, don’t tell me about paper records! I’ve got a pile of papers that date to the first years of my association to sort.
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17:05.18Landonnotes $10 ebooks at oreilly
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17:09.11merwokGood $appropriate_part_of_day everyone.
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17:09.58mkarnickimerwok: you can just say 'goodmorning (UGT)' (universal greeting time ;) )
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17:10.08mkarnickiI heard that lately, lovely idea :D
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17:11.27mkarnickigotta go now, c u guys
17:11.32mkarnickiwent away for now
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17:17.45krkhancarols: i had submitted foreign cert form and proof of enrollment few weeks back. however i just got to know i might have to visit china next month. do i have to submit something else?
17:18.17carolskrkhan: will you be in the US at all?
17:18.30krkhancarols: no chance at all
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17:18.48carolskrkhan: then you're fine, the foreign cert form is all you need
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17:19.37krkhancarols: okay, thanks
17:19.42theboltkrkhan: nice, where in china? i hope to get to the mainland somewhen during next winter
17:19.46carolsyw
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17:20.12ajuonlineanyone in bulgaria?
17:20.23ajuonlinethebolt: are you _still_ in .tw?
17:20.30krkhanthebolt: shenzhen. where will you be
17:20.31theboltajuonline: no, but i will go back in october :)
17:20.46theboltajuonline: october to.. wlel, indefinitely :P
17:21.00ajuonlinefor good?
17:21.12ajuonlinesettling there or what? :D
17:21.14theboltkrkhan: well, I most probably have to go to HK for a visa-run or two during the next year, but hope to be able to go to other places as well
17:21.31theboltajuonline: nah, but until I have to move for not being able to support myself or getting bored with it :P
17:21.44ajuonlineok ok
17:21.53theboltajuonline: but I haven't set any limit right now.. right now it feels like a 3ish years or so, but we have to see
17:22.03krkhanthebolt: i've not been to shenzhen yet but i guess it's pretty close from HK
17:22.48theboltkrkhan: the closest you can get actually :P
17:24.37theboltkrkhan: going for work, study or pleasure?
17:24.48theboltajuonline: but there are worse places in the world to settle ;)
17:24.57ajuonlinethebolt: like?
17:25.22theboltajuonline: well, given i only lived here and there I can only guess
17:25.44theboltbut I would guess western mainland china is worse in many ways.. Iraq etc :P
17:25.59ajuonlinelol
17:27.31theboltnah, but it is a nice place :-)
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17:31.55krkhanthebolt: going for vacations actually. although i've never been to china so i fear the language barrier will ruin any opportunities of enjoyment
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17:34.28ChainsawYou'd be surprised how much you can communicate with just hand gestures and concentration.
17:35.00theboltyea
17:35.38thebolti didn't know _any_ mandarin when i moved to taiwan first time.. now true I quickly got some friends at uni there who helped me.. but even when you are on your own hands and some english will get you far
17:35.58theboltespecially in a place like Shenzhen I would imagine it works pretty well with english actually :P
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17:37.05ChainsawNot to mention, if you look out of place and lost, people will walk up and help.
17:37.07ChainsawIt's human nature.
17:37.27theboltChainsaw: except around here.. here people will ignore you and walk away, I am sorry to say :(
17:37.43Chainsawthebolt: That's not what I'm used to. Where is that?
17:37.48theboltChainsaw: Sweden
17:38.06theboltChainsaw: and well, it is imo worse here than many other places in the world
17:38.17Chainsawthebolt: Hm, okay. The Swedish people that I've met in Ireland and the UK have been very friendly.
17:38.26theboltthey/we are friendly
17:38.33theboltbut in public pretty closed-in
17:38.41theboltyou don't talk to strangers on the bus/train etc
17:38.48ChainsawRight.
17:39.07theboltTakes a while to get used to when I visit US and similar places ;)
17:39.27ChainsawSuch chatterboxes, yeah ;)
17:39.36thebolthehe
17:40.20theboltwell, being a westerner in Taiwan you stand out pretty much everywhere.. guess that makes it a bit hard to give a truly objective picture of how it is there
17:40.40ChainsawI'm tall even for a westerner.
17:40.49ChainsawSo yes, I felt out of place even in Dublin.
17:40.58ChainsawBarely managed to fold myself into the bus seats for example.
17:41.03theboltwell, i was not only refering to height, but being white etc ;)
17:41.17thebolthehe, bus seats in taiwan are twice the size of swedish ones, at least on intercity-buses :)
17:41.24ChainsawSure, but height is a factor when it comes to standing out in a crowd though.
17:41.34thebolttrue
17:44.34krkhanin china, people are mostly unable to help too. very few people understand english at all. so if you're lost there, i don't think anyone from public will be able to offer immediate help
17:45.19theboltkrkhan: well, my experience from taiwan is that many people (on the street, in shops etc) does not speak a word english (even if they understand a little bit).. but they will try their very best to help you anyhow :)
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17:45.50theboltbut yea, if you are going somewhere it helps to have a map with names in chinese characters as well as a small sketch-book :)
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17:53.03theboltkrkhan: i think you will do just fine and have a great time there :)
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17:57.06krkhanthebolt: thanks. i hope your trip to HK goes smooth as well
17:57.07edufelipeHi folks! Can someone try to download the Foreign Certification Form and see if it works?
17:57.29theboltkrkhan: well, first I have to get myself back to Taiwan ;)
17:57.43edufelipeI'm asked to login with my @google.com email (which I obviously don't have)
17:58.09carolsedufelipe: you should be able to get it here: http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/downloads/list
17:58.18carolsedufelipe: first doc in the list
17:58.50edufelipecarols: Thanks so much!
17:58.54carolsedufelipe: yw
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18:00.04edufelipecarols: I was also unable to get an english version of the proof of enrollment, and some people on the list told me that I could translate it myself and attach it. Any guidelines?
18:00.14carolsedufelipe: that's fine.
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18:08.48robbyoconnorI will *NEVER* understand what makes people stall on submitting tax/proof of enrollment
18:09.07adifirenods in agreement
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18:21.15lolfrenzrobbyoconnor, similarly, I don't understand how people can look so dumb on the ml
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18:22.34h4xordoodyeah u right frankly speaking i never followed that mailing list :)
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18:23.18mkarnickii filter 98% of the list content, and I'm happy with it :)
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18:24.22robbyoconnorlolfrenz: I dont even read 99% of it
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18:26.07lolfrenzme neither, I only read carol's mails which do not start with Re:
18:26.18lolfrenzsimplest filter :)
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18:34.55promulololfrenz: you just showed me the holy grail... I'll make this filter right now :)
18:35.27Catfish_Manpromulo, lolfrenz: whitelisting other @google.com addresses could be handy too
18:35.57promuloyeah, you're right, Catfish_Man
18:36.09promulothanks for the tip
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18:45.21h4xordoodwhen do we receive our google parcel ?
18:45.38h4xordoodits 22 may on 24 we start coding
18:45.51h4xordoodhas started coding already
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19:47.50MatthewWilkeshi everyone! :)
19:48.36carolshey MatthewWilkes
19:51.29MatthewWilkescarols: I just spent the day strolling around hyde park enjoying the sun and discussing Church-Turing thesis.  Awesome day.
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19:52.26carolsMatthewWilkes: wow, im suddenly a little jealous. all i've done today is look at tax forms and email with lawyers :-)
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19:55.25robbyoconnorcarols: you actually look at our tax forms?
19:55.32carolsrobbyoconnor: every single one
19:55.38robbyoconnorouch
19:56.06robbyoconnortaking note of our SSN in case you need to go on the lamb?
19:56.07robbyoconnor:)
19:56.10robbyoconnor:>
19:56.30carolsrobbyoconnor: never. i wouldn't even joke about that
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19:57.46MatthewWilkesYeah, data protection fails are really serious.  I've heard tell of people that were caught using membership databases with some personal info for trying to find a girlfriend.  Had to get the police involved.
19:58.17mlankhorstcarols: ouch..
19:58.25mlankhorstthat's a lot of forms
19:58.42carolsMatthewWilkes: its no joke. ive been entrusted with people's lives. i take that very seriously.
19:58.45Landonthat's almost worse than reading every mail on the mailing list
19:58.51carolsmlankhorst: eh, its all in the job description ;-)
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19:59.33mlankhorstcarols: btw, got a spare parcel for a mentor? :>
19:59.44carolsmlankhorst: spare parcel?
19:59.50MatthewWilkeswhereas our national insurance numbers are nowhere near as important
19:59.56mlankhorstnah just kidding
20:00.02MatthewWilkesoh no! you can pay voluntary tax contributions on my behalf!
20:00.08robbyoconnorwhen should I get my welcome package :D
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20:00.22carolsrobbyoconnor: you'll get a tracking number :-)
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20:00.58rohitr....soon?? ;-)
20:01.20carolsrohitr: i sure hope so.
20:02.01robbyoconnorI haven't gotten it yet!
20:02.30robbyoconnorcommunity bonding period is over (weekends don't count) :)
20:02.57rohitrthey will be delayed for India in any case. We have a wonderful and "very efficient" (and also incorruptible) customs department.
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20:04.40robbyoconnorrohitr: you mean *INCREDIBLY* corrupt right?
20:04.53robbyoconnorthanks <insert diety here> that he lives within the US
20:04.55robbyoconnor:)
20:05.53gevaertswonders what robbyoconnor's diet has to do with this
20:06.19SukhEHe meant 'deity'.
20:06.33SukhE:)
20:06.34schumamla diety could be a very thin god
20:06.45SukhEschumaml: Haha.
20:06.53rohitrlol
20:07.08rohitranorexic God
20:07.09mlankhorstdiet light!
20:07.36mlankhorstfor those who cannot take a real diet
20:07.57mlankhorstwould that make diet light have more calories than a regular diet?
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20:08.37carolsmumbles about colloquy
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20:08.44MatthewWilkesrohitr: I'm curious, what on earth does anorexia have to do with dieting?
20:08.52MatthewWilkes;)
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20:25.21robbyoconnorI spelled it wrong didn't I?
20:25.33robbyoconnordeity*
20:25.38rohitrMatthewWilkes: I think you are being pedantic. ;-) Okay 'anorexia nervosa' would make you happy? BTW, I can always hide behind the that English is not my first language. :-)
20:25.57robbyoconnorrohitr: pssh
20:26.04robbyoconnorenglish > *
20:26.10robbyoconnorlearn it and learn it good.
20:26.26thiago_homehops over to engrish.com
20:27.31rohitrfollows thiago
20:27.32MatthewWilkesrohitr: No, I mean that anorexia is a disease that leads to unhealthily low weights and other health issues expressed by not eating sufficiently whereas dieting is the process of designing a different set of food intake to reduce weight and/or improve health
20:28.00thiago_homeor don't get you killed
20:28.03thiago_homecf. diabetes
20:28.32MatthewWilkesyeah, I reckon that comes under 'improve health'
20:31.00Catfish_Mancarols: colloquy? pfft :P
20:31.07kblinevening folks
20:31.11carolsCatfish_Man: hey, im using a mac ;-)
20:31.16carolsevening kblin
20:31.21Catfish_Mancarols: I'm using Adium for irc :)
20:31.26kblincarols: Catfish_Man thinks... yea
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20:31.30carolsCatfish_Man: to each his own ;-)
20:31.39Catfish_Manso because of my obvious bias, I can't recommend colloquy ;)
20:33.42kblinsshs into a linux machine to use irssi when on a mac ;)
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20:34.31carolskblin: that sure sounds like a lot of work ;-)
20:34.54kblincarols: dunno, do that when on other systems as well
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20:35.23kblinit's on a server that's running 24/7
20:35.35edufelipe<3 carols
20:35.57edufelipecarols: Thanks a lot for answering so quickly.
20:36.02mlankhorstcarols: why not linux though?
20:36.07carolsedufelipe: yw
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20:36.41carolsmlankhorst: i have a linux machine too, at home. this is the one I use at work, I'm more productive on a mac
20:37.06mlankhorstah, I have the opposite :)
20:37.15carolsmlankhorst: to each their own :-)
20:37.38mlankhorstI use mac in the rare event I have to test something on it, but the keybindings and their terminal app *shiver*
20:37.51Catfish_Manmlankhorst: the emacs keybindings in every text field throw you off? ;)
20:37.56Catfish_Manhehehe. I'm bombarding the new intern here with stuff to read. It's fun
20:38.19kblinCatfish_Man: emacs keybindings?
20:38.23kblinI knew it...
20:38.45kblinOSX is a shiny frontend to emacs
20:38.49Catfish_Manheh
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20:39.18carolssteps away from the discussion she sees leading to emacs vs. vi
20:39.19carols:-)
20:39.49MostAwesomeDudeHey guys, I use nano.
20:39.58mlankhorstwell, that lightning rod helped
20:40.15mlankhorstbut I use kate, woei
20:40.15Catfish_Manmlankhorst: heh. You saw through me there
20:40.58Landonspeaking of vim... /me kicks oreilly
20:41.11Landonanyone else jump on the oreilly ebook offer today?
20:41.42summatusmentiswhat offer?
20:41.48rohitrhey I am new, and I was wondering, "what do real programmers use?"
20:42.07Catfish_Manrohitr: whatever gets the job done
20:42.16Landonsummatusmentis: $10 ebooks
20:42.18Catfish_Manrefuses the bait
20:42.22Landonfor every ebook
20:42.34Landonbut the site is crawling in pain right now :P
20:42.44Landonat least, the checkout
20:43.01mlankhorstsince every programmer has its own style, everyone should decide for themselves what to use to get the job done :)
20:43.30summatusmentisLandon: oh, intriguing
20:43.32schumamlunless they work in a project that dictates a certain style
20:43.36rohitrtries again.
20:43.46rohitrbut what should I start to learn?
20:44.09mlankhorstyour choice
20:44.11Landonsummatusmentis: yeah, I got a handful of books, but they haven't appeared for me to download yet :\
20:44.12kblinrohitr: a powerful editor
20:44.23mlankhorstwhich leaves out nano *runs*
20:44.31kblinrohitr: hang on let me look up that quote
20:44.39Catfish_Mankblin: ed!
20:44.49mlankhorstCatfish_Man: You are not a deity :)
20:45.05kblinCatfish_Man: personally I use butterflies
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20:45.47gevaertskblin: but do you use emacs to control them?
20:45.54kblingevaerts: no
20:46.02kblingevaerts: I'm not that geeky
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20:46.38Landonthe captain planet keybinding?
20:46.54kblinrohitr: So the best editor advice I've read so far is from "Power Editing" in "The Pragmatic Programmer"
20:47.14schumamlrohitr: for starters, you could check if you're compatible with emacs
20:47.26kblinrohitr: So pick a single editor and use it well
20:47.42kblinmake sure it's available on all the platforms you usually work on
20:48.01kblinemacs, vim and a couple of others fall into that category
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20:48.58kblinYou want an editor that is configurable, extensible and programmable, and of course it's nice to have syntax highlighting, auto-indenting and autocompletion
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20:50.08Landonsyntax highlighting is almost a must, unless you're some sort of programming god :)
20:50.16Gary_Banyone know any companies that do lots of high land 2 mobilecalls apart from call centers?
20:50.46rohitrkblin: Thanks. I really need to check out the Pragmatic Programmer. Looks interesting
20:51.11Catfish_Mankblin: I'm hoping that clang's libindex will make good C/C++/ObjC autocomplete and syntax coloring much easier to do for editors :)
20:51.39Catfish_Mansaw a hacked up vim using it already
20:52.12kblinCatfish_Man: I don't write editors, so I don't care, but of course I'd be glad if my vim gets even better at this
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20:53.36Catfish_Mankblin: basically it'd support "normally hard" things like autocompleting through smart pointers and preprocessor macros, and good scope-awareness
20:54.02kblinnice
20:54.27kblinthat sounds like it'd get to an intelli-sense-like level, I think
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20:54.42Catfish_Manthat's the hope yeah :D
20:55.45kblinthat'd be pretty cool.. like all the features from VS that are useful without the pain of having to code on windows
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20:57.48Catfish_Manmlankhorst: it should be "usable" as of llvm 2.7 (which is out). I don't know if it's completely tested and such yet
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20:59.53mlankhorsttempting..
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