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| 00:00.25 | killerpro | theres no one there on that link |
| 00:00.31 | proudfoot | hahaha |
| 00:00.31 | ita | recommends "BuilDj: A build definition format for GNOME (mentor: AlbertoRuiz)" |
| 00:00.39 | proudfoot | cut and paste into your webbrowser |
| 00:00.43 | proudfoot | don't go into the channel. |
| 00:00.53 | killerpro | my bad...thanks |
| 00:01.09 | killerpro | but anyways i have seen the ideas list |
| 00:01.19 | killerpro | i wanna ask abt something |
| 00:01.42 | proudfoot | ...try #gnome? |
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| 00:02.56 | schumaml | sends killerpro to a german monastery where an abt can be found |
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| 00:03.48 | Landon | schumaml: so that's the mny compensation that we get with the tshirt this year? |
| 00:04.12 | Ophiuchi | zzzzbye |
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| 00:07.54 | socinfo | "next" is March 29th -- student applications are then officially opened, but you can talk to participating organizations now already :) |
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| 00:08.41 | proudfoot | !help |
| 00:08.41 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
| 00:08.47 | proudfoot | !advice |
| 00:08.47 | socinfo | "advice" is http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforStudents for students, http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/wiki/AdviceforMentors for mentors |
| 00:08.50 | proudfoot | !botabuse |
| 00:08.50 | socinfo | "botabuse" is (#1) Leave me alone! (also, you can play with me as much as you like in a private /query so as not to spam the channel), or (#2) When in a query with me, use whatis #gsoc <factoid> to get the best use., or (#3) You can also get a list of factoids with 'factoids search #gsoc *' and 'more' |
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| 00:14.01 | Botanic | is lh ever going to be around in here? Last seen : Mar 12 15:31:36 2010 (1 week, 0 days, 08:42:02 ago) |
| 00:14.06 | Botanic | =/ |
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| 01:25.26 | neptunepink | heh, Battle for Wesnoth |
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| 04:22.34 | shelan | Hi all |
| 04:23.12 | shelan | i have already submitted an idea to a community |
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| 04:30.33 | gralco | saying student applications are officially opened on March 29th, is this in reference to the applications being in consideration? |
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| 04:41.25 | scorche|sh | no, that means studetns can begin submitting their applications |
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| 06:26.22 | socinfo | "next" is March 29th -- student applications are then officially opened, but you can talk to participating organizations now already :) |
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| 06:31.06 | kage_ | anybody from omii-uk? |
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| 06:36.05 | avd | Is there any one interested in the idea https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PHOTARK-20 |
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| 06:36.34 | Dark_Shikari | try asking in the organization's channel |
| 06:37.13 | avd | ok |
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| 06:39.56 | bkbaba | when should you start interacting with the mentors for your project, i want to participate for a druapl project but the list isnt out yet nor do i have a proposal of my own |
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| 06:49.39 | enthus | lol.. |
| 06:51.07 | enthus | Can anyone tell me how to get the list of first time participating organizations in gsoc2010?or any socinfo command? |
| 06:51.18 | enthus | !list |
| 06:51.18 | socinfo | Error: "list" is not a valid command. |
| 06:51.58 | scorche|sh | i dont know if there is such a list...export both lists to a file and do a diff |
| 06:52.19 | scorche|sh | both lists being last year and this year |
| 06:53.23 | Dark_Shikari | diff oldlist newlist | grep + |
| 06:53.39 | Dark_Shikari | or wait, maybe swap those. |
| 06:53.47 | enthus | scorche|sh: k..i will try.. |
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| 06:54.59 | enthus | If anyone teaches this for bot(socinfo), it would be definitely help all... :-P |
| 06:55.21 | scorche|sh | teaches what to the bot? |
| 06:57.46 | enthus | a command like !neworg, which shows the link of all the newly participating orgs |
| 06:58.09 | scorche|sh | feel free to make such a link... |
| 06:58.43 | scorche|sh | is there a specific reason why you want new orgs? |
| 06:59.35 | enthus | like to know the new ones.. |
| 06:59.52 | scorche|sh | then do a diff.. |
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| 07:02.52 | jbourne | !gsoc |
| 07:02.52 | socinfo | Error: "gsoc" is not a valid command. |
| 07:03.02 | jbourne | !next |
| 07:03.03 | socinfo | "next" is March 29th -- student applications are then officially opened, but you can talk to participating organizations now already :) |
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| 07:26.36 | iamsumesh | Hi Everyone |
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| 07:42.26 | Guest68619 | hello |
| 07:42.50 | Guest68619 | any official representatives from GSoC around? |
| 07:43.37 | ojwb | Guest68191: i don't think so, but maybe someone here can help anyway |
| 07:44.51 | Guest68619 | well I was accepted as a GSoC mentor and they are sort of vague on how we should go about selecting students and letting them know about who we've slected |
| 07:46.08 | Guest68619 | also on if there's a limit to how many people we can select |
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| 07:52.00 | proudfoot | I assume theres some kind of online control panel to manage that |
| 07:53.11 | ojwb | Guest68191: the faq should help, but essentially it's up to the org how they pick the students they want |
| 07:55.06 | ojwb | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations explains how the student slots are allocated |
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| 07:57.27 | ojwb | and yes, there's a box in the org profile to specify how many you can handle (which doesn't need filling in yet, as you probably don't know yet) |
| 07:57.39 | ojwb | the admins have access to that |
| 07:57.46 | ojwb | org admins that is |
| 07:58.10 | Guest68619 | right, I just wasn't sure what to put there |
| 07:58.25 | Guest68619 | reading through that I see there's like a month or so before we have to nail things down |
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| 08:01.36 | ojwb | certainly a few weeks |
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| 08:52.32 | disismt | hi guys, did Chromium OS pull out? it is no longer mentioned in the accepted orgs list ... |
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| 09:00.07 | bnaik | anyone applying to freifunk? |
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| 09:09.19 | x` | hey guys, do you think there is anything in there for a ruby beginner willing to hack away through the summer? |
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| 09:11.59 | zubin71 | x`, http://tinyurl.com/yj42nqw |
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| 09:14.25 | x` | yeah i've been looking through the list for the past few days, thanks anyway |
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| 09:24.29 | bnaik | anyone know of any open source projects involving work in ad hoc networks? |
| 09:24.42 | bnaik | those that are not in the gsoc list ? |
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| 09:26.56 | bobbens | bnaik: you can always propose a project to an org if you do not find exactly what you want to do |
| 09:27.07 | bobbens | although unless it's very solid chances are you won't get it :) |
| 09:27.29 | bnaik | yeah that is there...but i wanted to get an ideas of current projects in the same field |
| 09:27.36 | proudfoot | bobbens, |
| 09:27.38 | proudfoot | bnaik, |
| 09:27.38 | proudfoot | err |
| 09:27.43 | proudfoot | you can try the OLPC project |
| 09:27.46 | proudfoot | that involves ad-hoc networks |
| 09:28.50 | bnaik | ohh..let me have a look |
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| 09:31.30 | bnaik | @padfoot: are you talking about the sugar labs project? |
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| 09:31.48 | Adityab | yes he is |
| 09:32.26 | proudfoot | yes |
| 09:32.47 | proudfoot | I'm not actually sure if it involves ad-hoc networking, but I know OLPC uses it. |
| 09:32.54 | proudfoot | that particular project might not though. |
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| 09:33.15 | proudfoot | also i'm not the dinosaur from the land before time :( |
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| 09:33.30 | bnaik | yeah..OLPC uses it |
| 09:33.37 | bnaik | i think ur talking about this? |
| 09:33.38 | bnaik | http://wiki.laptop.org/go/Mesh_Network_Details |
| 09:33.49 | proudfoot | yup |
| 09:34.27 | bnaik | it'd bee nice to get in touch with people who have worked in ad hoc networks |
| 09:34.47 | proudfoot | its a really cool problem too |
| 09:35.03 | bnaik | looks like it |
| 09:35.08 | proudfoot | with unreliable internet, and say if someone 20 points away from you but in your mesh has internet |
| 09:35.12 | proudfoot | how do you make that work, etc |
| 09:35.17 | bnaik | even the freifunk problems are good |
| 09:35.26 | proudfoot | try talking to them |
| 09:35.32 | proudfoot | I'm still trying to find a project I like |
| 09:35.37 | bnaik | yeah..will do that..after some research |
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| 09:37.06 | bnaik | best of luck with that |
| 09:37.07 | bnaik | :) |
| 09:40.05 | proudfoot | I don't know, does anyone else feel like they aren't competent enough for anything? |
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| 09:40.56 | bnaik | me |
| 09:40.58 | bnaik | :) |
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| 09:41.15 | bnaik | its jsut too much information..u kind of get overwhelmed |
| 09:41.29 | ChrisSalij | proudfoot : me too. But sure you'll feel like that until you actually do it... |
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| 09:42.40 | StevenC | which is, imho, the goal of the project... |
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| 09:43.09 | StevenC | getting people to do stuff rather then contemplating about whether it might be too difficult and/or overwhelming |
| 09:43.45 | _Samo | bnaik>anyone know of any open source projects involving work in ad hoc networks? = like distributed rendering? |
| 09:43.54 | bnaik | yeah |
| 09:44.01 | proudfoot | ohhhhh |
| 09:44.14 | proudfoot | i thought you meant like, wifi. |
| 09:44.24 | proudfoot | also, where is everyone from at this hour? |
| 09:44.30 | proudfoot | I'm from california |
| 09:44.32 | banjo | chromium-os is no more a selected org for gsoc 2010? |
| 09:44.35 | proudfoot | student in compsci at UCSD. |
| 09:44.36 | _Samo | bnaik you have several rendering projects on the list, such as Blender and Yafaray |
| 09:44.44 | StevenC | belgium here :) |
| 09:44.46 | banjo | It showed up in the list earlier, but now it doesnt show up |
| 09:44.47 | bnaik | see anything that involves computation over disstributed nodes, graph theory,etc |
| 09:44.55 | proudfoot | isn't there a distributed rendering program which uses blender? |
| 09:45.03 | _Samo | bnaiK: 3D rendering I mean |
| 09:45.11 | bnaik | ohh.not that |
| 09:45.32 | proudfoot | 3d rendering is kind of trivial to parrelize anyways |
| 09:45.40 | proudfoot | its not a complex problem |
| 09:45.47 | proudfoot | you just give a few frames to each server |
| 09:46.12 | proudfoot | OLPC might be your best bet. |
| 09:46.17 | StevenC | bnaik: you have the BlueZ project (as far as I know, a bluetooth PAN is also an ad-hoc network...) |
| 09:46.52 | bnaik | thanks for all the input guys |
| 09:46.54 | bnaik | :) |
| 09:47.40 | bnaik | how many here have already participated in Open Source projects before? |
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| 09:48.49 | Dark_Shikari | most gsoc applicants haven't |
| 09:48.56 | bobbens | really? |
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| 09:49.12 | kblin | the point is to get you started with open source |
| 09:49.12 | Dark_Shikari | yes |
| 09:49.19 | Dark_Shikari | if they had, there would be no purpose to gsoc |
| 09:49.23 | Adityab | This is supposed to be an initiation |
| 09:49.31 | kblin | it'd be kind of silly to require prior involement |
| 09:49.38 | Adityab | to get more students into FOSS |
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| 09:49.56 | bobbens | well prerequ is silly, but I thought most had at least dabbled lightly with it |
| 09:50.05 | bobbens | and goal was to get more commitment and familiarity |
| 09:50.32 | _Samo | proudfoot, there are several projects that never took off, and some proprietary ones as well, |
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| 09:50.47 | proudfoot | there was one big one i recall, which had some form of credit system |
| 09:51.01 | proudfoot | like, you got credits for how many hours your computer was working |
| 09:51.07 | proudfoot | and you could render your own projects with it. |
| 09:51.16 | proudfoot | forgot the name of it |
| 09:51.43 | bobbens | ah yeah, I remember that one |
| 09:51.46 | _Samo | Proutfoot, maybe you mean BURP = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_and_Ugly_Rendering_Project |
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| 09:52.07 | proudfoot | yup |
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| 09:52.21 | _Samo | proudfoot, after so many years it's still beta and it is not used massively yet |
| 09:52.35 | proudfoot | yeah |
| 09:52.47 | _Samo | proudfoot there are some proprietary projects as well |
| 09:52.49 | proudfoot | theres the complex problem, of, to render a scene, i need all the textures/models in it |
| 09:52.59 | proudfoot | which might be big |
| 09:53.07 | proudfoot | and you might not want me to have your models/maps/etc |
| 09:53.26 | _Samo | proudfoot, yes these are some of the drawbacks |
| 09:53.43 | _Samo | sending complex scenes around and sharing your work |
| 09:53.47 | proudfoot | did you work on any of these projects? |
| 09:54.00 | proudfoot | I used to love 3d animation when I was in high school |
| 09:54.06 | _Samo | nope, I work in the YafaRay engine |
| 09:54.16 | proudfoot | did some pretty decent things, won awards from autodesk |
| 09:54.19 | proudfoot | then went compsci |
| 09:54.20 | _Samo | *render engine |
| 09:54.25 | proudfoot | 3d artists pretty much make nothing |
| 09:54.36 | proudfoot | well, they do, but those that do are scary good |
| 09:54.45 | kblin | hehe |
| 09:54.47 | Dark_Shikari | was at autodesk HQ yesterday |
| 09:54.51 | proudfoot | orly |
| 09:54.59 | Dark_Shikari | yarly |
| 09:55.09 | Dark_Shikari | they're pretty cool beans. |
| 09:55.15 | proudfoot | i'd hope so. |
| 09:55.29 | proudfoot | did they offer you an internship? |
| 09:55.35 | kblin | so the licud installer asks for "origin of the keyboard".. that sounds silly. mine has a sticker saying "made in china", and the other one as well, and they still have different layouts |
| 09:55.35 | proudfoot | by now ds, you don't really need to interview for them |
| 09:55.42 | Dark_Shikari | potentially. I'm a bit annoyed, this would be like the 9th offer |
| 09:55.45 | proudfoot | haha |
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| 09:58.40 | _Samo | proudfoot, anyway we would welcome in our project someone working on distributed rendering in private intranets, |
| 09:58.57 | proudfoot | i thought that was more or less solved |
| 09:59.07 | proudfoot | like, from what i know, distributed rendering is fairly trivial |
| 09:59.12 | Dark_Shikari | it is. autodesk has rendering over 2000+ computers |
| 09:59.13 | _Samo | proudfoot, in our engine not yet |
| 09:59.19 | proudfoot | its nearly completely parrelizable |
| 09:59.21 | proudfoot | ah okay |
| 09:59.43 | Dark_Shikari | btw, autodesk's idea is apparently "it's better to give one user 10,000 computers for 4 seconds than 1 computer for a day" |
| 09:59.48 | bnaik | has anyone worked on TinyOS here? |
| 09:59.59 | _Samo | we find that small studios rendering with yafaray need tools like that |
| 10:00.02 | proudfoot | bnaik, check TinyOS's irc channel? |
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| 10:00.18 | proudfoot | _Samo, so how does one parrelize yafaray currently? |
| 10:00.20 | bnaik | that'll be about developing TinyOs |
| 10:00.27 | bnaik | i meant...using TinyOS in aproject |
| 10:00.35 | proudfoot | does he manually split it up into scenes? |
| 10:00.44 | proudfoot | and then divvy out the scenes manually? |
| 10:00.51 | _Samo | proudfoot, yafaray is parallelizable but using your cores |
| 10:00.58 | proudfoot | so not over a network |
| 10:01.06 | proudfoot | ah okay |
| 10:01.21 | _Samo | proudfoots, some rendering engines are trying a triple strategu now |
| 10:02.02 | _Samo | proudfoot, rendering with GPU cores, rendering with CPU cores and distributed rendering with cloud computing |
| 10:02.09 | _Samo | all at the same time |
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| 10:02.54 | proudfoot | seems interesting |
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| 10:22.22 | ar_gandhi | this is my first ever experiece with IRC |
| 10:22.36 | kblin | hi |
| 10:22.42 | ar_gandhi | hi |
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| 10:23.57 | ar_gandhi | so how do we go about using this chatroom? |
| 10:24.14 | StevenC | thinks that a good introduction to IRC wouldn't hurt on the GSoC pages... |
| 10:24.30 | ar_gandhi | :D |
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| 10:24.47 | StevenC | just chatting away really |
| 10:24.55 | ar_gandhi | of course |
| 10:24.56 | ar_gandhi | @StevenC that could work |
| 10:24.59 | ar_gandhi | i meant are mentors here |
| 10:25.06 | ar_gandhi | are only aspirants here |
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| 10:25.28 | StevenC | some of them are, but if you are looking for a specific project, you're far better off in their channel |
| 10:25.40 | StevenC | (if they have one, that is) |
| 10:25.41 | ar_gandhi | ah! |
| 10:26.15 | StevenC | what is your domain of intrest? |
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| 10:26.55 | ar_gandhi | i am intrested in dynamic web development |
| 10:27.37 | StevenC | I think that PHPMyAdmin was looking to upgrade some of their code to AJAX... |
| 10:27.40 | ar_gandhi | funny how they can be two seperate things |
| 10:27.40 | ar_gandhi | also image processing |
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| 10:27.57 | ar_gandhi | PHPMyAdmin |
| 10:28.08 | ar_gandhi | really! that's exciting :D |
| 10:28.15 | StevenC | ;) |
| 10:28.20 | ar_gandhi | what are you interested in? |
| 10:28.34 | StevenC | I'm more of a hardware guy to be honest |
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| 10:28.54 | StevenC | so not much for me to do around here... |
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| 10:29.14 | StevenC | although I'm looking into the beagleboard for the moment |
| 10:29.17 | ar_gandhi | wait! compiler design and everything will interest you right? |
| 10:29.32 | ar_gandhi | what's beagleboard? |
| 10:29.34 | StevenC | you mean GCC? |
| 10:29.48 | ar_gandhi | yep |
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| 10:30.02 | StevenC | erm, it's a development board for TI's OMAP3 ARM core + DSP processor |
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| 10:31.03 | ar_gandhi | i don't know much about specific processors, only have done course work on general processors |
| 10:31.25 | ar_gandhi | ARM will be the one that's being used in mobile devices these days right? |
| 10:31.32 | StevenC | jup, it is |
| 10:32.00 | StevenC | depending on what your courses were, you have worked on a 8086 |
| 10:32.04 | bobbens | iphone uses the same ic as the beagleboard iirc |
| 10:32.04 | StevenC | i presume? |
| 10:32.06 | bobbens | OMAP3530 |
| 10:32.08 | Dark_Shikari | prefers the OMAP4 |
| 10:32.12 | bobbens | (same with openpandora) |
| 10:32.22 | bobbens | Dark_Shikari: specs are insane, but I have yet to see devices with them yet :) |
| 10:32.35 | Dark_Shikari | I like the whole "order of magnitude faster" thing |
| 10:32.42 | ar_gandhi | yes 8086 |
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| 10:33.00 | bobbens | from what I've read about it, it looks really sick :) |
| 10:33.09 | StevenC | Dark_Shikari: I can't see the OMAP4 on TI's website... |
| 10:33.15 | bobbens | but it'll be a while until we see it, and the errata will probable make the OMAP3 errata look tiny :P |
| 10:33.28 | Dark_Shikari | StevenC: obviously, it's not out yet |
| 10:33.33 | ar_gandhi | *lost* |
| 10:33.35 | Dark_Shikari | not for public release at least |
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| 10:33.47 | StevenC | yeah sure, but there must be already some kind of announcement? |
| 10:34.02 | Dark_Shikari | http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/wtbu/wtbuproductcontent.tsp?templateId=6123&navigationId=12842&contentId=53247 |
| 10:34.44 | StevenC | oh, ok |
| 10:34.52 | StevenC | it's housed under wireless solutions |
| 10:35.21 | StevenC | was looking in the "processors" part of the site |
| 10:35.52 | ar_gandhi | how do u do the *StevenC was... part? |
| 10:36.04 | ar_gandhi | sorry it is too noob a question |
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| 10:36.12 | StevenC | just type "/me " and then your message |
| 10:36.19 | ar_gandhi | likes this |
| 10:36.26 | ar_gandhi | yey! |
| 10:36.37 | StevenC | :) |
| 10:36.44 | ar_gandhi | thanks :) |
| 10:36.46 | StevenC | np |
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| 10:37.54 | cemkadir86 | hi all , who is help me for omap3530 spi design with aptina image sensör ? |
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| 10:39.19 | StevenC | cemkadir86: could you rephrase that? |
| 10:39.22 | ar_gandhi | StevenC: can i ping you seperately, like a personal message? |
| 10:39.29 | StevenC | yeah sure |
| 10:39.44 | proudfoot | cemkadir86, wait what |
| 10:39.56 | StevenC | type "/msg 'nick' " and then the message |
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| 11:16.02 | AshishG | thanks to StevenC for the tip |
| 11:16.27 | AshishG | but any dynamic web development ppl here? |
| 11:17.36 | ThomasWaldmann | moin :) |
| 11:18.24 | AshishG | hi |
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| 11:19.49 | AshishG | ThomasWaldmann: What are you doing/ |
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| 11:24.44 | ThomasWaldmann | I'm MoinMoin Wiki org admin (and will also do mentoring). |
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| 11:26.09 | ThomasWaldmann | (but the word "moin" is just a general northern-german all-day greeting) |
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| 12:23.14 | neary | !next |
| 12:23.15 | socinfo | "next" is March 29th -- student applications are then officially opened, but you can talk to participating organizations now already :) |
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| 12:27.37 | AshishG | isn't happy with the internet here |
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| 12:29.38 | gitte | had substantial problems last night, because a crappy router just shut down... |
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| 12:38.26 | gitte | kblin: yes, as spearce mentioned on the gsoc mailing list, the backup admin (yours truly, pleasure to meet you) did not click away the 13+ notifications, and got the organization registered. |
| 12:38.49 | gitte | kblin: and the next thing I did (on a 10 byte/sec connection, no fun) was to invite him back as admin. |
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| 13:05.08 | gitte | kblin: hehe. But at least it is reliable. |
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| 13:17.15 | thiago_home | search the gsoc2009 website |
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| 13:38.35 | tonfa | hi! |
| 13:38.48 | pyav | @tonfa:hello |
| 13:38.50 | tonfa | I was wondering, is there some gsoc material available ? |
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| 13:39.03 | tonfa | to put at my university where I teach? |
| 13:39.27 | pyav | @tonfa:where do you teach? |
| 13:39.51 | pyav | @tonfa:and what material do you want? |
| 13:40.33 | ihalip | there are flyers and presentations |
| 13:41.05 | ihalip | tonfa: http://code.google.com/p/google-summer-of-code/downloads/list |
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| 13:42.07 | tonfa | pyav: french university |
| 13:42.13 | tonfa | ihalip: thanks! |
| 13:42.41 | ihalip | np |
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| 14:03.27 | ThomasWaldmann | some universities (or at least the related student hostels) seem to restrict to port 80 and 443 |
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| 14:04.11 | ThomasWaldmann | ... in india. and even that is rather instable so that web irc is a pain due to disconnects. :| |
| 14:04.12 | liquidmetal | ThomasWaldmann: true... a lot of people at my university cannot use irc... |
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| 14:05.41 | peppe | http://webchat.freenode.net/ ta-dah! |
| 14:06.05 | kblin | doesn't help if your connection is lousy |
| 14:06.08 | ojwb | "even that is rather instable so that web irc is a pain due to disconnects" |
| 14:06.14 | ojwb | as ThomasWaldmann just said |
| 14:06.23 | egns | ssh tunnel... |
| 14:06.35 | ThomasWaldmann | has just configured our project server's sshd to listen on 443 also |
| 14:06.36 | kblin | over an unstable connection? no fun |
| 14:06.38 | drt24 | ThomasWaldmann: the solution to this is for students of the university to run thier own server which gives students of the univesity shell accounts. |
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| 14:07.26 | kblin | ThomasWaldmann: well, there's worse, though |
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| 14:07.49 | kblin | last I head the great chinese firewall blocked access to appspot |
| 14:08.03 | drt24 | such as the OCF, SRCF and the SIPB |
| 14:08.37 | ThomasWaldmann | sshd and screen might remove some pain |
| 14:08.52 | drt24 | indeed |
| 14:10.33 | peppe | well, some time ago the sysadmin here configured the firewall to drop connections alive for more than XX seconds |
| 14:10.57 | egns | lol |
| 14:10.58 | egns | kill him. |
| 14:10.59 | kblin | ThomasWaldmann: true |
| 14:11.20 | kblin | peppe: 20 seconds is a pretty tight limit for web-apps as well ;) |
| 14:11.25 | peppe | so almost everything except web didn't work (websites using comets were a pain to use) |
| 14:12.08 | peppe | kblin: yeah, but even a couple of minutes makes web almost usable and everything else (SSH, etc) unusable at all |
| 14:12.26 | kblin | ThomasWaldmann: I was behind a setup like that in 2002. even with ssh/screen it was hard to do anything in the mornings and evenings |
| 14:12.44 | tonfa | peppe: can't you tweak your TCP stack to ignore the dropping ? |
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| 14:13.45 | peppe | tonfa: filtering was done on some firewall, not locally... :| |
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| 14:14.13 | kblin | ThomasWaldmann: we had a squid server that'd allow clients listed in it's config file outside. in the morning and evening people would use a web front-end to sign in and out of the system, each user causing a perl script or the like to add/remove the client's IP address from the config file and sending a SIGHUP to squid |
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| 14:14.38 | kblin | now imagine 3000+ people coming in to work at 9:00 and all signing up |
| 14:14.59 | drt24 | eww |
| 14:15.00 | gitte | whoa |
| 14:15.19 | tonfa | peppe: yes, but there's a trick to ignore the RST or something, I've read something like that for the chinese fw |
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| 14:16.05 | drt24 | tonfa: you would need both ends to ignore the RST, and even then the firewall could probabgly just drop all packets |
| 14:16.12 | peppe | tonfa: it doesn't reset the connection. it drops packet |
| 14:17.56 | kblin | it didn't help that squid was running on an old sunos box that was also a database server and spent around 20% of it's CPU time in IO wait |
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| 14:18.27 | kblin | shudders |
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| 14:18.37 | kblin | glad these times are over |
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| 14:43.58 | simplyBee | @everyone: suppose an organization A is allocated 5 slots and it has 15 projects listed on the web, how will it decide which to include on the main slot |
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| 14:45.05 | simplyBee | @everyone: is it decided on basis of requirement of organization or number of applicants to that project |
| 14:45.45 | thiago_home | the projects submitted aren't listed on the web |
| 14:45.57 | thiago_home | they are only available to mentors |
| 14:46.12 | thiago_home | the mentors will rank the proposals and choose which 5 they want to accept |
| 14:46.49 | simplyBee | so partly on basis of requirement and partly on basis of quality |
| 14:46.57 | simplyBee | thank you thiago_home |
| 14:47.00 | thiago_home | yes |
| 14:47.00 | kblin | really depends |
| 14:47.09 | thiago_home | but it really depends on the org |
| 14:47.23 | thiago_home | some will judge purely on quality of the submission |
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| 14:47.55 | kblin | I'd say we only have propsals we could use, so I'd put more weight on "quality" |
| 14:48.07 | kblin | where quality is a mixture of different factors.. |
| 14:48.23 | thiago_home | likelihood of the student finishing the job... |
| 14:48.42 | thiago_home | work is a summer job |
| 14:49.01 | thiago_home | I wouldn't accept a great proposal that is more "Weekend of code" |
| 14:49.06 | kblin | like the student's responsiveness, the student's likelyhood to finish the proposal, my estimation if the student might stick around with the project.. |
| 14:49.29 | meanburrito920_ | lets say we send in multiple applications. Do we get any sort of say in which one we would prefer? |
| 14:49.37 | meanburrito920_ | or is it decided by google? |
| 14:49.50 | ojwb | the orgs decide |
| 14:49.54 | ojwb | possibly asking you |
| 14:49.56 | meanburrito920_ | ok |
| 14:50.04 | kblin | neither, actually, what ojwb said :) |
| 14:50.04 | ojwb | but if you don't want to do the project, don't submit a proposal for it |
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| 14:50.42 | ojwb | google will resolve if the orgs can't agree, but they don't want to |
| 14:50.43 | Loic | Hello |
| 14:50.57 | zhengyang | hi, guys, any samples of gsoc proposals? how detail should we drill down? |
| 14:51.23 | kblin | in the last years, numerous students put their proposals online |
| 14:51.24 | ojwb | zhengyang: http://drupal.org/node/59037 |
| 14:51.36 | ojwb | that has a good example, and some general tips |
| 14:51.49 | zhengyang | thanks, i'll take a look at it |
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| 14:52.08 | infinity0 | lol "sell your idea" |
| 14:52.13 | ojwb | as kblin says, there are many other examples |
| 14:52.17 | mlankhorst | heu |
| 14:52.18 | infinity0 | the first 3 paragraphs are useless advice |
| 14:52.38 | zhengyang | lol |
| 14:52.48 | ojwb | infinity0: feel free to ignore them, but believe me, they aren't |
| 14:53.28 | thiago_home | infinity0: they're not useless |
| 14:53.31 | infinity0 | i'm not applying, and well ok i was a bit harsh |
| 14:53.37 | infinity0 | but they shouldn't be the top 3 |
| 14:53.37 | Loic | I'm interested by Tux4Kids but there are no precision how to contact us (IRC, Mailing list, ...) Do you have some idea? |
| 14:53.42 | SukhE | Selling the idea is one of the first things taught in management schools. |
| 14:53.56 | SukhE | It is important. |
| 14:53.57 | ojwb | the orgs want to pick student + project + mentor combinations likely to succeed |
| 14:54.02 | kblin | SukhE: no, as a manager you need to sell hot air |
| 14:54.07 | infinity0 | open source orgs aren't quite the same as corporate clients |
| 14:54.21 | kblin | infinity0: I still want a good ROI :) |
| 14:54.24 | SukhE | kblin: Heh. |
| 14:54.38 | zhengyang | but where can i find real past year proposal? |
| 14:54.58 | ojwb | zhengyang: there's one linked from that page |
| 14:55.49 | infinity0 | zhengyang: try looking in the previous year websites? i could be wrong but i thought google archived all past proposals |
| 14:55.55 | infinity0 | they are made public anyways |
| 14:56.04 | ojwb | not the full proposals |
| 14:56.11 | mlankhorst | woops |
| 14:56.25 | infinity0 | oh? shame, that |
| 14:56.38 | ojwb | but many are public elsewhere on the web |
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| 14:57.27 | kblin | I'd link my proposals, but the standards on what is required has changed quite a bit over the last years |
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| 14:58.08 | infinity0 | zhengyang: talk with a mentoring org about your proposal, they will give you very useful feedback |
| 14:58.29 | kblin | the drupal suggestions are really reasonable, though |
| 14:58.29 | infinity0 | the process isn't a single "apply and see what happens", you get a chance to refine your proposal until someone is happy with it |
| 14:58.41 | mlankhorst | Yeah it's nice :) |
| 14:58.43 | infinity0 | yeah |
| 14:58.55 | mlankhorst | but sadly wine has usually more spots available than there are good applies, kinda sad |
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| 14:59.22 | thiago_home | that reminds me to try iPassConnect under wine |
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| 14:59.32 | ojwb | infinity0: that depends on the org - some of the larger ones don't have the resources to respond to all the applications they get apparently |
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| 14:59.54 | infinity0 | oh right ok |
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| 15:00.09 | kblin | mlankhorst: convince alexandre to code wine in php and that'll change ;) |
| 15:00.20 | mlankhorst | haha |
| 15:00.26 | mlankhorst | we can't even use c++ |
| 15:00.27 | drt24 | eww |
| 15:00.30 | mlankhorst | I really wish we could.. |
| 15:00.39 | kblin | ew |
| 15:00.40 | ojwb | fork! |
| 15:00.41 | gitte | kblin: that might be easier than to convince him to state clearly for every patch why it was dropped. |
| 15:01.00 | mlankhorst | gitte: we have it automated now ;) |
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| 15:01.11 | mlankhorst | after aj crashed he pushed it to server side |
| 15:01.11 | kblin | gitte: yeah, sort of at least |
| 15:01.11 | thiago_home | mlankhorst: why not? Out of curiosity. |
| 15:01.18 | gitte | mlankhorst: too late for this here developer. Way too late. |
| 15:01.18 | mlankhorst | http://source.winehq.org/patches |
| 15:01.29 | mlankhorst | thiago_home: abi incompatibility :( |
| 15:01.50 | thiago_home | mlankhorst: between g++ versions? Or between wine libs and whatever comes out of Windows? |
| 15:02.14 | mlankhorst | abi differs between native and windows |
| 15:02.23 | thiago_home | ok, makes sense |
| 15:02.27 | thiago_home | but the ABI in C also differs |
| 15:02.31 | kblin | gitte: well, we live and learn I guess |
| 15:02.40 | mlankhorst | thiago_home: surprisingly, not that much :) |
| 15:02.41 | infinity0 | doesn't wine development just involve lots of tedious "try random thing and see if it works" monkey-coding :p |
| 15:02.45 | gitte | kblin: right. |
| 15:02.51 | infinity0 | no offense to the wine devs, that's just what windows is like (i hear) |
| 15:02.54 | thiago_home | mlankhorst: on 64-bit, the register passing order is different |
| 15:02.54 | gitte | kblin: and sometimes we even code while chatting ;-) |
| 15:03.04 | mlankhorst | thiago_home: __attribute__((ms_call)) |
| 15:03.12 | thiago_home | mlankhorst: oh, that's interesting :-) |
| 15:03.20 | mlankhorst | and all our calls have CDECL, STDCALL or WINAPI on them |
| 15:03.23 | mlankhorst | so we just add it |
| 15:03.27 | kblin | gitte: right, I'm currently switching Samba 3 to an experimental new build system |
| 15:03.36 | gitte | kblin: hopefully not CMake. |
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| 15:03.51 | mlankhorst | thiago_home: I worked on that gcc call :) |
| 15:04.14 | thiago_home | which reminds me I think I found a bug in ld yesterday |
| 15:04.16 | mlankhorst | thiago_home: it allowed me to run the first windows 64 program on wine, a mingw64 compiled pacman |
| 15:04.18 | thiago_home | I need to write a testcase |
| 15:04.37 | thiago_home | as for mingw... the gcc 4.4 one keeps crashing |
| 15:04.50 | Loic | Hello! is there anybody for Tux4Kids here? |
| 15:05.10 | mlankhorst | I had the mingw64 developer working on it interesting in writing ms_abi, and I provided him with testcases for it :) |
| 15:05.32 | thiago_home | mlankhorst: do you know how active the mingw community is? |
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| 15:06.58 | mlankhorst | thiago_home: not sure, wine doesn't interact with it much, we mostly use our own libs and headers, and just use mingw for the compiling and linking |
| 15:07.09 | thiago_home | same for us |
| 15:07.19 | thiago_home | but gcc 3.4 was far too old, so we had to upgrade to 4.4 |
| 15:07.27 | thiago_home | and then the problems started, because it crashes |
| 15:07.51 | mlankhorst | thiago_home: I mean, if you deleted all mingw libs, and headers, wine would still compile, it has its own crt files, import libs and everything |
| 15:08.11 | thiago_home | except if gcc crashes |
| 15:08.15 | thiago_home | then it doesn't compile :-) |
| 15:08.19 | mlankhorst | ;P |
| 15:08.33 | thiago_home | and that's our problem |
| 15:08.43 | mlankhorst | true |
| 15:09.25 | mlankhorst | there was an open source program that could isolate the testcase for you |
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| 15:09.49 | kblin | gitte: well, there's two proposals currently, cmake and waf |
| 15:09.59 | kblin | gitte: I'm playing with waf :) |
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| 15:10.42 | thiago_home | qmlruntime.cpp:1008: internal compiler error: Segmentation fault <--- current error |
| 15:10.55 | mlankhorst | I kinda forgot the name, but it allowed you to take a whole 100000 line program and it would reduce it to the minimum needed to reproduce the behavior :) |
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| 15:11.19 | mlankhorst | http://delta.tigris.org/ iirc |
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| 15:12.00 | thiago_home | looks at the other failures |
| 15:12.27 | thiago_home | undecipherable Symbian errors, Sun compiler complaining "there is extra text on this line" and HP-UXi complaining about a variable called m_volume |
| 15:13.38 | kblin | ain't cross-platform development fun? |
| 15:13.46 | gitte | kblin: just keep in mind that most solutions claiming to be superior to autoconf && make are everything but. |
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| 15:14.30 | kblin | gitte: well, we need a solution that can enforce some stricter checks on the build |
| 15:14.38 | thiago_home | learned not to call variables "sun" or "m_volume" |
| 15:15.12 | kblin | our current system is prone to linking objects multiple times, producing huge binaries, at least on samba4 |
| 15:15.31 | kblin | samba3 has less magic in the build system, so it does less weird stuff |
| 15:15.39 | mlankhorst | yeah, all those things you take for granted, like nameless unions, c99, time saving gcc attributes, etc all fly out of the window ;) |
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| 15:17.00 | gitte | kblin: right, but I had substantial problems with CMake on MSys/MinGW, so I would not recommend it. |
| 15:17.29 | gitte | kblin: even a strong proponent of CMake, who wanted to port Git to it, apparently gave up on getting it to run with MSys. |
| 15:17.31 | kblin | well "our software must run on windows" isn't too high a priority for samba :) |
| 15:17.36 | thiago_home | pushes a renaming of m_volume to m_vol |
| 15:17.57 | mlankhorst | but for wine it is in some cases :P |
| 15:17.59 | gitte | kblin: just saying. CMake has fans, but it also has shortcomings. |
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| 15:18.07 | kblin | rumour has it that windows already ships with sort of a CIFS server |
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| 15:18.27 | kblin | I'm told it's not too great but well integrated, a bit like solaris |
| 15:18.38 | mlankhorst | kblin: what about porting samba to wince? ;) |
| 15:18.56 | kblin | patches welcome :) |
| 15:19.06 | kblin | gitte: but thanks for the pointer in any case |
| 15:19.10 | gitte | kblin: you know, there have been requests to port rdesktop to Windows. |
| 15:19.11 | mlankhorst | nah, I'm not doing windows development.. |
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| 15:19.21 | mlankhorst | whistles |
| 15:19.38 | kblin | mlankhorst: wince doesn't really qualify as windows, does it? |
| 15:19.47 | mlankhorst | not sure |
| 15:19.59 | Hedgerow | Hello! |
| 15:20.02 | drt24 | kblin: with wombat and other frameworks can't time consuming tasks be done in a seprate process which reads from a shared database? |
| 15:20.04 | gitte | winces |
| 15:20.23 | thiago_home | if you have problems with cmake, contact the authors. They've been quite responsive to us. |
| 15:21.02 | Hedgerow | Hey, if I'm going to be graduating college in May, am I still eligible for Google summer of code? |
| 15:21.15 | gitte | thiago_home: the point is: when somebody asks me to change a working autoconf && make setup to a non-working CMake setup, I refuse. And I do not need to contact the CMake authors for that decision. |
| 15:21.21 | mlankhorst | Hedgerow: read faq, eligibility section |
| 15:21.25 | Hedgerow | I did |
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| 15:21.38 | drt24 | Hedgerow: if you are still in college on 26th April then yes you can aiui |
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| 15:21.47 | Hedgerow | Ok, thanks |
| 15:22.02 | kblin | drt24: it could. but that'd mean you need to start up _two_ programs |
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| 15:22.19 | drt24 | mm |
| 15:22.52 | kblin | and I'm currently using a sqlite backend, I don't think that supports locking |
| 15:23.00 | kblin | or concurrent access |
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| 15:23.28 | kblin | I you use threads, you can at least take care of that yourself |
| 15:23.38 | kblin | *If |
| 15:23.50 | drt24 | oh ok sqlite. |
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| 15:24.15 | kblin | arguably we could switch to a more capable database |
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| 15:24.32 | drt24 | postgresql++ :-) |
| 15:24.38 | kblin | but so far sqlite has worked just fine |
| 15:24.44 | drt24 | indeed |
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| 15:25.14 | kblin | hey madewokherd |
| 15:25.22 | madewokherd | hi kblin |
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| 15:36.27 | madewokherd | http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/mentoragmt <-- I'm a little confused by this, since I'm not "an organization or individual running an active and viable open source or free software project whose application ("Application") is approved by Google's Open Source Program Office" |
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| 15:52.23 | fabiosl | !next |
| 15:52.23 | socinfo | "next" is March 29th -- student applications are then officially opened, but you can talk to participating organizations now already :) |
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| 16:06.45 | headache | hello |
| 16:07.11 | headache | i've registered to GSoC site student applications start onnn 29 right? |
| 16:07.25 | thiago_home | !next |
| 16:07.25 | socinfo | "next" is March 29th -- student applications are then officially opened, but you can talk to participating organizations now already :) |
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| 16:09.59 | anth_x | ArthurLiu (re the list email): okay, that's a more concise way of putting it, sure. ;-) |
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| 16:12.56 | AshishG | !next |
| 16:12.56 | socinfo | "next" is March 29th -- student applications are then officially opened, but you can talk to participating organizations now already :) |
| 16:13.01 | AshishG | hmm |
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| 16:13.17 | AshishG | it works!! |
| 16:13.37 | smtms | AshishG, you are a rock star! |
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| 16:18.38 | pk__ | !next |
| 16:18.38 | socinfo | "next" is March 29th -- student applications are then officially opened, but you can talk to participating organizations now already :) |
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| 16:22.01 | Master_Chief | can anybody tell how to communicate with those orgs who don't have irc channel or mailing list |
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| 16:22.39 | pk__ | contact info on their web pages |
| 16:22.41 | smtms | Master_Chief, do they have websites? |
| 16:22.54 | smtms | Master_Chief, give an example of such uncommunicative org |
| 16:22.55 | Master_Chief | Yeah they have webistes |
| 16:23.11 | Master_Chief | thousand parsec , tux4kids |
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| 16:23.22 | pk__ | if they dont have website then obviously they couldn't have filled the form for mentorship |
| 16:23.33 | smtms | pk__, they could |
| 16:23.41 | smtms | pk__, you can create your ideas page in Melange |
| 16:23.51 | pk__ | ohhh ok |
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| 16:24.11 | Master_Chief | in case of thousand parsec i found the website but no contact infor |
| 16:24.14 | drt24 | Master_Chief: thousand parsec do have an irc channel |
| 16:24.15 | pk__ | Melange = the software used for making GSoc 's webserver? |
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| 16:24.23 | drt24 | I can't remember where it is now |
| 16:24.31 | drt24 | but it used to be on irc.worldforge.org |
| 16:24.51 | Juniz | there are some orgs still not filled up the profile, will that create any problem ? |
| 16:24.52 | drt24 | it might be on freenode somewhere |
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| 16:25.12 | Master_Chief | okay I'll try to find it |
| 16:26.00 | Master_Chief | and for newbies it is written on gsoc site to lurk around here, but how to use this medium effectively? |
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| 16:26.16 | Master_Chief | r there any private discussions going on which I can't see |
| 16:27.13 | drt24 | private discussions occur between individuals by the use of /msg nick message |
| 16:27.32 | kblin | Master_Chief: the Thousand Parsec people I know are from new zealand or australia, they're probably asleep right now :) |
| 16:28.46 | Master_Chief | One more thing which I wanted to ask in general is that the orgs give more preference to coding skills or interest in specific area or it is something else! |
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| 16:29.20 | gitte | Master_Chief: depends on the org. |
| 16:29.36 | Master_Chief | okay |
| 16:29.45 | gitte | Master_Chief: personally, I put a lot of emphasis in the openness and willingness to collaborate with others. |
| 16:30.12 | gitte | Master_Chief: there are others who require you to provide a little patch before they even look at your application. |
| 16:30.35 | gitte | Master_Chief: yet others are more easy-going, and it is enough to propose an interesting project. |
| 16:31.07 | Master_Chief | ok....thnx :) |
| 16:33.03 | kblin | Master_Chief: try #to |
| 16:33.05 | kblin | er |
| 16:33.07 | kblin | #tp |
| 16:33.21 | Master_Chief | yes i just found it thanks to google :D |
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| 16:33.28 | Master_Chief | and to you too |
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| 16:35.20 | headache | maybe the bar is above average |
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| 16:35.43 | headache | or you have a really good proposal worth your selection |
| 16:36.20 | headache | or you have excellent good coding skills so you're selected for an idea proposed for students |
| 16:37.09 | headache | because there are surely a lot of students who can apply for the same idea so discrimination is acted on coding skills |
| 16:37.21 | kblin | shrugs |
| 16:37.27 | blast007 | not always |
| 16:37.28 | headache | well selection is a more appropriate term |
| 16:37.37 | kblin | also depends on the project |
| 16:37.37 | gitte | headache: not only. GSoC is also about keeping people involved in the project _after_ money stops flowing. |
| 16:37.46 | kblin | right |
| 16:38.03 | blast007 | just because someone has coding skills doesn't mean they'll be a good choice |
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| 16:38.49 | gitte | blast007: exactly. Some lack the basic social skills to stop going into the wrong direction when the mentor tells them that they lost focus. |
| 16:38.56 | blast007 | yup :) |
| 16:39.04 | headache | well I realized this idea observing 3-4 projects |
| 16:39.33 | headache | and listening to 2 students experience, they were both accepted in GSoC 2009 |
| 16:41.25 | headache | gitte, it's difficult to evaluate human/social skills through Internet |
| 16:41.34 | kblin | true |
| 16:41.45 | headache | I can consider how a student is interested in project |
| 16:42.05 | gitte | headache: it is pretty safe to assume that the communication you have with them during the initial days will be just about what it will be later. |
| 16:42.08 | blast007 | headache: it does help to have an actual coversation with them though. |
| 16:42.12 | headache | by participating in mailing list, irc discussions |
| 16:43.25 | kblin | I agree with gitte. In my experience students who've shown problems in communicating with the mentors during the sign-up phase don't really pick up during later parts of the program |
| 16:43.59 | kblin | and by problems I don't mean a possible language barrier |
| 16:44.30 | gitte | Right. |
| 16:44.41 | kblin | more like ignoring advice like: "I think your proposal could use more thoughts on XYZ" or the like |
| 16:44.48 | gitte | Some students clearly do not intend to learn anything, because they know it all already. |
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| 16:45.11 | gitte | (Which is unfortunately also true of some mentors) |
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| 16:45.23 | drt24 | no one knows it all already. |
| 16:46.00 | drt24 | (though some people are insanely good) |
| 16:46.56 | blast007 | drt24: hehe, I think that was his point ;) only *they* think they know it all |
| 16:47.51 | drt24 | indeed |
| 16:48.05 | kimelto | morning! |
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| 17:06.48 | headache | well it's all so indeterministic |
| 17:07.00 | headache | :D |
| 17:07.09 | headache | i need some luck |
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| 18:00.29 | adifire | hey guys... |
| 18:00.44 | adifire | hope you all are havin gr8 time in gsoc.. |
| 18:00.47 | pitz | waddup adifire ? |
| 18:01.13 | adifire | i wanted to know if i can submit more than one application to the same org?? |
| 18:01.20 | anth_x | you can. |
| 18:01.36 | adifire | thanks anth_x |
| 18:01.56 | admishra | for same or for others also? |
| 18:02.30 | mmadia42 | both. |
| 18:03.12 | admishra | means we can apply for more then a single project of two differ org...!! |
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| 18:03.30 | mmadia42 | some organizations, such as Haiku suggest submitting a second proposal. This helps to give the organizations the ability to select the most promising students, as opposed to the most appealing project. |
| 18:04.32 | smtms | adifire, some orgs will not like it if you submit multiple proposals; ask yours about it |
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| 18:05.21 | admishra | mmadia42: ohk |
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| 18:25.54 | abhi_nav | just wanted to know what actually the gsoc is |
| 18:26.13 | enthus | !soc |
| 18:26.13 | socinfo | "soc" is http://code.google.com/soc/ |
| 18:26.14 | smtms | abhi_nav, you've read the answer to that question in the FAQ already? |
| 18:26.24 | enthus | !faq |
| 18:26.24 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 18:26.36 | abhi_nav | smtms: ok i read the faq first |
| 18:26.36 | enthus | abhi_nav: go through it |
| 18:26.42 | abhi_nav | enthus: hmm |
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| 19:22.50 | nikku | is there a seperate mailing list for Boost |
| 19:23.18 | smtms | nikku, dunno; have you checked their website? |
| 19:23.27 | nikku | ya |
| 19:23.36 | nikku | but even no link for mentors |
| 19:24.09 | nikku | even the mentor 's mail address is not given |
| 19:24.59 | smtms | nikku, http://www.boost.org/community/groups.html |
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| 19:25.50 | nikku | thans |
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| 19:25.54 | nikku | thanks |
| 19:26.15 | smtms | nikku, next time try to find what you are looking for by yourself |
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| 19:48.00 | Lunixed | When does a organization know, how many slots are alloted ? |
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| 19:50.00 | Ivanovic | finally? |
| 19:50.04 | Ivanovic | when all students are assigned |
| 19:50.15 | Ivanovic | that is: there are several steps: |
| 19:50.26 | Ivanovic | 1) right at the start the org states how many slots they desire |
| 19:50.54 | Ivanovic | 2) some time later on, depending on the number of applications the org received google does assign slot amounts to orgs |
| 19:51.19 | Ivanovic | (an org does not get more slots than asked for and IIRC unless asking for less every org at least gets 2 slots) |
| 19:51.51 | dnk-88 | Ivanovic: russia? |
| 19:51.52 | Lunixed | I see. . . |
| 19:51.55 | Ivanovic | after these preliminary numbers are done student proposals are rated and mentors assigned to the top X (where X is the current amount of slots) |
| 19:51.56 | Ivanovic | dnk-88: no |
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| 19:52.57 | Lunixed | Thanks Ivanovic :) |
| 19:53.06 | Ivanovic | the last step is resolution of duplicated students, this *can* change the slot numbers if an org does not get the desired student and say "our other proposals are not as good / we don't have mentors for other proposals", then an additional slot ends in the pool and is free for the asking (it can even be directly donated to other orgs) |
| 19:53.33 | Lunixed | Hmm . . . ok |
| 19:53.49 | Ivanovic | Lunixed: asking as mentor/admin or as student? |
| 19:53.56 | Lunixed | student |
| 19:54.06 | Lunixed | just curious |
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| 19:54.37 | Ivanovic | those orgs asking for "many" slots normally receive many proposals, too |
| 19:55.45 | Ivanovic | so in the end it is more like "4000 students applied, 1000 could be accepted (not sure about the numbers, they are *samples*)" -> 40 students applied for a project, the project gets 10 slots assigned |
| 19:56.22 | Lunixed | ya .. so basically the ratio remains same... |
| 19:56.27 | Ivanovic | exactly |
| 19:56.46 | Ivanovic | the only bounder in this case is: if the org can only manage lets say 5 students the org won't get more than 5 |
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| 19:57.53 | Lunixed | Hmm .. so also depends upon the number of mentors it has |
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| 19:58.54 | sxw | Yes. Although a mentor won't necessarily be interested / able to mentor projects across everything that an organisation does. |
| 19:59.37 | Ivanovic | exactly |
| 20:00.46 | Ivanovic | eg for us at wesnoth it is likely that we could get by far more slots than we can mentor (this year we don't have too many mentors and it looks like we will get many proposals again) |
| 20:00.49 | Lunixed | I see |
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| 20:05.46 | geoaxis | Ivanovic, won't you coordinate with Google that you wont need that many slots |
| 20:06.02 | Ivanovic | geoaxis: of course we communicate this to google |
| 20:06.21 | Ivanovic | geoaxis: it is just a matter that we *could* probably get more slots if we asked for me, that we just can't handle more than we ask for |
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| 20:07.35 | geoaxis | Ivanovic, i see |
| 20:07.41 | sxw | As a mentoring organisation, it's more rewarding having fewer students, getting good work from them, and feeling you've been able to support them along the way. Quality, not quantity is what counts! |
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| 20:07.56 | Ivanovic | sxw: sure |
| 20:08.26 | Ivanovic | though it is hard to select among the huge amount of good proposals you normally get |
| 20:09.00 | Ivanovic | some very good proposals can not be accepted not because the idea was not good, but because we can't mentor all the good ones that we would love to |
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| 20:44.47 | enthus | !next |
| 20:44.47 | socinfo | "next" is March 29th -- student applications are then officially opened, but you can talk to participating organizations now already :) |
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| 21:15.12 | x` | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:15.14 | x` | hehehe |
| 21:15.45 | x` | just thought i'd share :) |
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| 21:17.50 | xnox | x`: yap that's funny =) |
| 21:17.54 | xnox | read it the other day ;-) |
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| 22:41.35 | MatthewWilkes | evenin' all |
| 22:41.44 | Landon | afternoon |
| 22:43.02 | rahul | moring |
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| 22:53.12 | sccluisx | hi everybody |
| 22:53.24 | rahul | hello |
| 22:54.25 | sccluisx | im just wondering i dont understood very well should i travel to the place wher the mentors are? |
| 22:54.37 | Landon | you stay at home |
| 22:54.50 | Landon | and use the power of the internet |
| 22:55.17 | sccluisx | so i have another question about how many time is the ideal needed to participate |
| 22:56.28 | Landon | full time job ideally |
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| 22:58.13 | sccluisx | ok, so if im still at classes during most of the soc i shouldnt participate? |
| 22:58.16 | pygi | Landon is local GSoC resident expert :D |
| 22:58.47 | Landon | runs |
| 22:59.00 | pygi | Landon, why? :D |
| 22:59.07 | sccluisx | around 3-4 hours daily more in weekends to SoC y not enogh? |
| 22:59.14 | danderson | no. |
| 22:59.26 | danderson | well, maybe, if you're highly productive |
| 22:59.29 | Landon | sccluisx: it really depends, is it just one class? otherwise you might want to consider focusing on school. soc is a lot of work |
| 22:59.30 | danderson | but SoC is a full time job. |
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| 23:00.38 | ihalip | !next |
| 23:00.39 | socinfo | "next" is March 29th -- student applications are then officially opened, but you can talk to participating organizations now already :) |
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| 23:13.32 | Landon | hello [m_harrison] ! |
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| 23:18.23 | [m_harrison] | Landon, what is this I don't even |
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