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| 01:05.51 | socinfo | "soc" is http://code.google.com/soc/ |
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| 02:20.00 | skbohra_ | good time zone ! |
| 02:20.13 | skbohra_ | its morning here ;) |
| 02:22.21 | creek23 | morning here too... 10:22am |
| 02:24.34 | Conan_Kudo | it's still yesterday here |
| 02:25.02 | Conan_Kudo | 8:24pm (PM8:24/20:24) |
| 02:25.24 | creek23 | Conan_Kudo: haha! |
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| 02:26.49 | Conan_Kudo | I'm eagerly awaiting the email from Google about my org's GSoC application |
| 02:27.01 | creek23 | wants to fly where Conan_Kudo is at to re-live the yesterday once again... :) |
| 02:27.02 | Conan_Kudo | first time my org is participating in it :) |
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| 02:28.38 | creek23 | hopes that new and small FOSS groups should have the greater slots than established FOSS groups with big companies backing-up the their project. |
| 02:29.07 | creek23 | * backing-up their |
| 02:30.04 | Dark_Shikari | that doesn't really make sense |
| 02:30.10 | Catfish_Man | creek23: small projects are extremely unlikely to have 20 mentors :P |
| 02:30.10 | Dark_Shikari | small groups don't have the resources to handle tons of slots ;) |
| 02:31.10 | creek23 | not talking about student slots |
| 02:31.44 | Dark_Shikari | org slots? |
| 02:31.48 | Dark_Shikari | well obviously small projects get more org slots |
| 02:31.49 | Dark_Shikari | there are _more of them_ |
| 02:31.50 | creek23 | meant something like: out of 150 orgs, 90 are small orgs |
| 02:32.24 | creek23 | I see. |
| 02:32.28 | ojwb | well, it probably depends what you mean by "small", but I suspect that's not a long way off the mark |
| 02:32.56 | creek23 | small like less popular orgs |
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| 02:37.35 | ojwb | how do you define "less popular"? |
| 02:37.56 | ojwb | Ubuntu seems pretty unpopular right now... |
| 02:37.59 | Dark_Shikari | lol |
| 02:38.28 | creek23 | ojwb: you still know Ubuntu, right? |
| 02:38.37 | Conan_Kudo | basically, unknown projects |
| 02:38.39 | Conan_Kudo | like mine |
| 02:38.43 | ojwb | just did a quick count, and using one of the later slot allocation counts from last year, 88 orgs had 5 or fewer slots |
| 02:38.48 | ojwb | which is one measure of "small" |
| 02:38.53 | ojwb | and an easy one to count |
| 02:39.02 | Catfish_Man | creek23: part of the point of GSoC is to get students involved in existing open source communities |
| 02:39.07 | Dark_Shikari | and that doesn't count small orgs with umbrella organizations |
| 02:39.08 | ojwb | indeed |
| 02:39.14 | Catfish_Man | if the project is so small nobody has ever heard of it, is there a community to be involved in? |
| 02:39.27 | jcreigh | is there an algorithm for slot allocation, or is it just done on an ad-hoc basis? |
| 02:39.33 | Conan_Kudo | probably ad-hoc |
| 02:39.37 | ojwb | a successful experience is the real aim |
| 02:39.42 | Dark_Shikari | jcreigh: in general projects get what they want |
| 02:39.52 | Dark_Shikari | later on, projects that don't need as many slots give some up |
| 02:39.55 | Dark_Shikari | and other slots who need more get extra |
| 02:39.57 | ojwb | there's a document describing how slot allocation works |
| 02:40.27 | edsiper | ojwb, where ? |
| 02:40.37 | ojwb | !slots |
| 02:40.37 | socinfo | "slots" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/program/google/gsoc2009/studentallocations |
| 02:40.47 | ojwb | that's probably it |
| 02:41.04 | edsiper | reading page |
| 02:41.43 | jcreigh | okay, so it's basically how many applications, and then tweaked from there according to some sensible guidelines. |
| 02:42.00 | ojwb | yes |
| 02:43.02 | ojwb | if this is your first time, think hard about how many slots you can realistically handle |
| 02:43.20 | ojwb | it's better to take a slot or too fewer and concentrate on doing a better job with the students you have |
| 02:43.39 | ojwb | and from a selfish point of view, if you do badly, you're less likely to be accepted in future years |
| 02:44.04 | ojwb | actually, think hard about it even if this is your 6th time |
| 02:44.10 | ojwb | but I'd hope you know that by then |
| 02:45.04 | Conan_Kudo | realistically, I'm hoping for just 1-2 slots |
| 02:45.17 | Conan_Kudo | with as few mentors as my project has, there is no way we could do more |
| 02:45.24 | ojwb | if it is as past years, you'll get at least 2 if accepted |
| 02:45.33 | ojwb | if you want 2 that is |
| 02:45.36 | Dark_Shikari | and if you have extra, you can give up extra |
| 02:45.52 | Conan_Kudo | really, I just want two |
| 02:46.05 | Dark_Shikari | as I said, if you have any more than 2, you can give them away |
| 02:46.11 | Dark_Shikari | so no issue. |
| 02:46.12 | Conan_Kudo | maybe next year, my project could aim for 3 |
| 02:46.15 | Conan_Kudo | ahh ok |
| 02:47.16 | Conan_Kudo | using more slots next year depends entirely on the number of available mentors next year |
| 02:47.39 | Conan_Kudo | I'm trying to maintain 1-1 mentor-slot |
| 02:47.43 | Conan_Kudo | which seems optimal for now |
| 02:49.50 | Dark_Shikari | 1-1 is a good idea generally |
| 02:49.58 | Dark_Shikari | unless a mentor has a _lot_ of time or very self-motivated students |
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| 02:50.49 | scorche | 2-1 is generally a good idea too ;) |
| 02:51.08 | Conan_Kudo | or if you have a lot of easy projects, then you can stretch it a bit |
| 02:52.50 | Conan_Kudo | Half of the student project ideas are rated less than 5 on a scale of 1 to 10 |
| 02:53.44 | Conan_Kudo | one project is rated 9 out of 10 |
| 02:53.52 | Conan_Kudo | another is rated 8 out of 10 |
| 02:54.12 | Conan_Kudo | the rest above 4 are rated 6 out of 10 |
| 02:55.12 | ojwb | you may find the students tackling the easier projects require more mentoring work |
| 02:55.33 | ojwb | certainly I wouldn't assume anything about the time required from how hard you rate the project |
| 02:55.39 | Conan_Kudo | of course not |
| 02:56.23 | Conan_Kudo | one idea is considered easy to implement, but would take a long time to put it together |
| 02:56.48 | Conan_Kudo | in case you're wondering, that idea is the development of an online IME plugin |
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| 02:57.03 | ojwb | that isn't what I meant |
| 02:57.25 | Conan_Kudo | well, i'm not quite finished explaining |
| 02:57.34 | Dark_Shikari | it's like the olympics |
| 02:57.36 | Dark_Shikari | 7.5/10! |
| 02:57.38 | Dark_Shikari | 8.5/10! |
| 02:57.46 | Conan_Kudo | implementing something like that requires knowledge and skill with handling inputs and outputs |
| 02:57.53 | ojwb | some students need a lot more mentoring because you need to teach them a lot of the skills |
| 02:58.00 | Conan_Kudo | right |
| 02:58.02 | Dark_Shikari | Conan_Kudo: well I would say there are three dimensions to difficulty |
| 02:58.15 | Dark_Shikari | 1) level of skill required in some particular categor(y|ies) |
| 02:58.18 | Dark_Shikari | 2) amount of work required |
| 02:58.24 | ojwb | there's a lot of experience difference between a 1st year and a post grad student |
| 02:58.24 | Dark_Shikari | 3) difficulty |
| 02:58.32 | ojwb | and some have contributed to open source already |
| 02:59.04 | Dark_Shikari | ojwb: from experience, I would say there is basically no correlation between age of student and quality of student or skill of student. |
| 02:59.09 | Dark_Shikari | then again I only have a few data points. |
| 02:59.14 | Conan_Kudo | I don't know if I'd agree with #3 because that's a bit ambiguous |
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| 02:59.40 | Dark_Shikari | Conan_Kudo: well what I mean is for example |
| 02:59.51 | Dark_Shikari | 1) a project might require special skills (e.g. assembly coding, kernel hacking) |
| 02:59.58 | Dark_Shikari | 2) how much actual work you have to do to finish it |
| 03:00.01 | Dark_Shikari | 3) how "tricky" the project is |
| 03:00.05 | Conan_Kudo | ahh |
| 03:00.07 | Dark_Shikari | you can have a project that requires lots of work, but isn't "tricky" |
| 03:00.08 | Conan_Kudo | I agree then |
| 03:00.15 | Dark_Shikari | and you can have a project that is very tricky, but doesn't require that much work |
| 03:00.18 | Conan_Kudo | right |
| 03:00.26 | Conan_Kudo | the IME one has 1 and 3 in spades |
| 03:00.36 | ojwb | Dark_Shikari: well, there's certainly a lot of experience difference between students |
| 03:00.40 | Dark_Shikari | ojwb: oh yes |
| 03:00.45 | Dark_Shikari | it's just not correlated with age too much =p |
| 03:00.53 | ojwb | the ones I've noticed were across the age range |
| 03:00.54 | Dark_Shikari | Conan_Kudo: we have a project that has 1, 2, and 3 in spades |
| 03:01.07 | Conan_Kudo | oh? |
| 03:01.12 | Dark_Shikari | It's so scary that it has $10-20k bounty money on it and nobody has done it yet =p |
| 03:01.27 | Dark_Shikari | ... including myself |
| 03:01.33 | Dark_Shikari | so probably nobody will pick it. |
| 03:01.37 | Conan_Kudo | O.O |
| 03:01.38 | Dark_Shikari | But maybe we can use it to scare people |
| 03:02.04 | Conan_Kudo | Nani? ¿Qué? What is it? |
| 03:02.10 | ojwb | things are often less scary if you don't know they are supposed to be hard |
| 03:02.26 | ojwb | so just give it a 3.5/10 rating and see |
| 03:02.36 | Dark_Shikari | lol |
| 03:02.42 | Dark_Shikari | ojwb: well we do have one advantage for that particular project |
| 03:02.48 | Dark_Shikari | someone already wrote a mostly-working patch for it |
| 03:02.58 | Dark_Shikari | its just that they were such horrific programmers that the patch was unusable garbage. |
| 03:03.05 | Dark_Shikari | Let's just say it was bought via outsourcing. |
| 03:03.18 | Dark_Shikari | And the company that paid for it is probably never going to do that again =p |
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| 03:08.34 | Conan_Kudo | well, our 9/10 project does have some old code floating around in the Mercurial repository |
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| 03:09.10 | Conan_Kudo | it just hasn't been touched in so long that it doesn't work at all with the latest version of our software |
| 03:10.14 | Dark_Shikari | yup. everyone has that old cruft :/ |
| 03:10.29 | Conan_Kudo | the mentor for that project prefers that it be rewritten from scratch, so I didn't mention it in the Ideas page |
| 03:10.41 | Conan_Kudo | I honestly doubt a student will want to take up that idea |
| 03:10.57 | Conan_Kudo | the other high rated idea is an Akismet plugin |
| 03:11.16 | Conan_Kudo | the 9/10 idea was a forum plugin |
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| 03:12.51 | Conan_Kudo | I seriously doubt either of them will be taken up by a student |
| 03:13.50 | Conan_Kudo | I'd personally like the Akismet plugin to be taken up |
| 03:13.54 | Conan_Kudo | but I doubt it will happen |
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| 03:15.47 | Conan_Kudo | one low rated plugin is to invent wikitext syntax that lets ruby characters be used easily |
| 03:15.55 | Conan_Kudo | another is implementing RTL support |
| 03:16.02 | Conan_Kudo | ... well, they aren't plugins |
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| 03:20.54 | Conan_Kudo | our project's Mercurial repository has a lot of old, rarely touched code |
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| 03:21.19 | Conan_Kudo | probably most of it no longer works with the latest version of our software |
| 03:21.22 | Dark_Shikari | <troll>Well, that's because nobody wants to use mercurial</troll> |
| 03:21.46 | Conan_Kudo | <trollback>The same could be said for Bazaar</trollback> |
| 03:21.55 | Dark_Shikari | that's not a troll, that's accurate |
| 03:22.03 | Conan_Kudo | XD |
| 03:22.20 | Conan_Kudo | I was going to put Git instead |
| 03:22.34 | Conan_Kudo | but I realized with so many Unix people here, that might not be so smart |
| 03:22.45 | Dark_Shikari | The difference is people actually use git |
| 03:22.47 | Dark_Shikari | runs |
| 03:23.55 | Conan_Kudo | I hate it when people say that Git has true Windows support when it doesn't |
| 03:24.07 | Dark_Shikari | works fine here. |
| 03:24.20 | Conan_Kudo | msysGit uses MSYS Cygwin to work |
| 03:24.20 | Dark_Shikari | I've been using it for almost two years now =p |
| 03:24.24 | Dark_Shikari | but I don't use msysgit |
| 03:24.30 | Conan_Kudo | what do you use? |
| 03:24.30 | Dark_Shikari | I use cygwin, like any sane person who uses windows |
| 03:24.42 | Conan_Kudo | did I say they were sane people? |
| 03:24.54 | Dark_Shikari | doesn't really matter, I don't care about insane people |
| 03:24.57 | Dark_Shikari | if it works on cygwin, it works on windows |
| 03:25.01 | Conan_Kudo | heh |
| 03:25.09 | Conan_Kudo | I just use Mercurial to manipulate Git repos |
| 03:25.22 | Dark_Shikari | real programmers manipulate git repos with netcat. |
| 03:25.22 | Conan_Kudo | since Mercurial has an extension that can do it without Git being installed at all |
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| 03:48.12 | creek23 | agrees at --> (11:24:03 AM) Conan_Kudo: I hate it when people say that Git has true Windows support when it doesn't |
| 03:48.35 | Conan_Kudo | creek23: glad to see you agree :) |
| 03:48.46 | Conan_Kudo | I almost never recommend using Git to people who ask me what SCM to use |
| 03:48.53 | Conan_Kudo | because Git isn't truly cross platform |
| 03:50.33 | Dark_Shikari | what isn't cross platform about it? |
| 03:50.48 | Dark_Shikari | just because it doesn't compile in msvc doesn't make it not cross platform |
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| 03:51.16 | Dark_Shikari | ffmpeg and mplayer don't work in MSVC, but they certainly are "cross-platform" |
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| 03:52.04 | kimelto | git is a pain in the arse on windows |
| 03:52.23 | kimelto | but who uses windows for devel anyway? :) |
| 03:52.32 | Dark_Shikari | I don't get peoples' complaints |
| 03:52.36 | Dark_Shikari | I use windows, I've used git for 2 years |
| 03:52.37 | Dark_Shikari | it works just fine |
| 03:52.39 | Dark_Shikari | no harder than svn |
| 03:52.51 | Dark_Shikari | I have not noticed one iota of difference between windows and linux for git |
| 03:52.55 | Dark_Shikari | so I have no idea what people complain about |
| 03:54.00 | kimelto | a lot i/o errors when checkout ing a big working copy |
| 03:54.23 | Dark_Shikari | dunno, never seen that |
| 03:54.30 | Dark_Shikari | the only issues I've seen are the same ones svn has |
| 03:54.35 | Dark_Shikari | i.e. unable to checkout files containing the word "CON" |
| 03:54.42 | Dark_Shikari | (thanks, DOS!) |
| 03:55.19 | Conan_Kudo | Dark_Shikari: I don't use MSVC to compile Windows apps |
| 03:55.21 | Conan_Kudo | I use GCC |
| 03:55.26 | Dark_Shikari | same. |
| 03:55.53 | kimelto | Dark_Shikari: you cant checkout a file name CONTENT for example? weird. |
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| 03:56.06 | Dark_Shikari | kimelto: I remember something like that |
| 03:56.08 | Dark_Shikari | or maybe it was like con.html |
| 03:56.34 | Conan_Kudo | but git on Windows is considerably slower, cannot seem to maintain integrity very well, and is bound by the weirdness of MSYS on Windows (especially in regards to filename rules and file locking) |
| 03:56.49 | Conan_Kudo | the MSYS weirdness also applies to Cygwin |
| 03:56.54 | Dark_Shikari | well of course it's slower |
| 03:56.58 | Dark_Shikari | so is configure, so is everything |
| 03:57.00 | Dark_Shikari | that's hardly git's fault |
| 03:57.03 | Conan_Kudo | I know |
| 03:57.09 | Conan_Kudo | but it is also git's fault |
| 03:57.14 | Dark_Shikari | configure takes longer to run on windows 7 than make |
| 03:57.35 | Dark_Shikari | and honestly, one extra second during a rebase is not a big deal |
| 03:57.41 | Conan_Kudo | try six or seven |
| 03:57.45 | Dark_Shikari | works fine here :/ |
| 03:57.50 | Conan_Kudo | meh |
| 03:58.13 | Conan_Kudo | I try to avoid Git, and I've largely managed to succeed |
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| 03:58.32 | Dark_Shikari | it's still faster than svn |
| 03:58.35 | Dark_Shikari | by about a factor of 10 |
| 03:58.45 | Dark_Shikari | and honestly, after 10 times faster than svn I don't really care |
| 03:59.11 | Conan_Kudo | almost all DVCSes are multiple factors faster than SVN |
| 03:59.23 | Dark_Shikari | except bzr |
| 03:59.33 | Conan_Kudo | the only ones that aren't are bzr and monotone |
| 04:01.02 | Conan_Kudo | accessing and maintaining code from git repositories doesn't bother me because Mercurial can do it without Git installed |
| 04:01.21 | Conan_Kudo | it just bothers me when people state that Git is cross platform when it isn't |
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| 04:01.30 | Dark_Shikari | "it's a bit slower on one platform" does not mean it's not cross platform |
| 04:01.39 | Dark_Shikari | Firefox is a dog's bollocks on linux, but it's still cross platform |
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| 04:02.17 | Dark_Shikari | also, "cross-platform" does not mean "supports every platform known to man" |
| 04:02.19 | Dark_Shikari | IMO, "supports posix" is enough |
| 04:04.04 | jcreigh | doesn't Windows have some sort of official POSIX (ie, not Cygwin) compatibility layer? |
| 04:04.19 | Dark_Shikari | yes. it returns ENOTIMPLEMENTED for every function ;) |
| 04:04.55 | creek23 | Dark_Shikari: do you have a copy of winsock2.h. not the one bundled with mingw. |
| 04:05.15 | Dark_Shikari | dunno, google it? |
| 04:05.18 | Conan_Kudo | creek23: you can probably use the one that comes with Wine |
| 04:05.34 | Conan_Kudo | I've used Wine PSDK headers to compile windows software before, it does work |
| 04:05.41 | creek23 | Conan_Kudo: it's the same that comes with mingw. |
| 04:05.48 | Conan_Kudo | I don't think so |
| 04:06.03 | creek23 | it says so in mingw's winsock2.h |
| 04:06.09 | Conan_Kudo | oh... |
| 04:06.21 | Conan_Kudo | what revision of Wine's winsock2.h though? |
| 04:06.30 | creek23 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:06.38 | Conan_Kudo | that's it? |
| 04:06.44 | Conan_Kudo | it doesn't say what version? |
| 04:06.51 | Conan_Kudo | why do you need a new winsock2.h anyway? |
| 04:07.55 | ojwb | Microsoft's POSIX subsystem really only exists so organisations which need to be able to tick a "POSIX" box to buy can buy |
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| 04:09.02 | Conan_Kudo | in general, if you want "real" POSIX in Windows, you need Cygwin |
| 04:09.54 | jcreigh | Yeah, I've never heard of a project saying, "sure, you can just use the POSIX layer". They always recommend Cygwin if there's not a native port yet. |
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| 04:11.51 | Conan_Kudo | but because of the way Cygwin works, there is a lot of weirdness when dealing with files |
| 04:12.28 | Conan_Kudo | one example is file locking |
| 04:12.41 | Conan_Kudo | in Windows, the Win32 API mandates file locking |
| 04:12.55 | Conan_Kudo | POSIX only advises to use file locking |
| 04:13.02 | Conan_Kudo | some programs don't handle this very well |
| 04:13.14 | jcreigh | What do you mean, it mandates it? |
| 04:13.19 | jcreigh | open files are automatically locked? |
| 04:13.21 | Conan_Kudo | yes |
| 04:13.47 | jcreigh | hmm. I've sometimes thought that would be a more reasonable default. |
| 04:13.53 | Conan_Kudo | it is |
| 04:14.06 | Conan_Kudo | but I think the reason for that was networking |
| 04:14.26 | Conan_Kudo | you were never really sure who was accessing what, so by default POSIX doesn't mandate file locking |
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| 04:15.07 | Conan_Kudo | even though Windows mandates file locking, it overlooks that with network shares |
| 04:15.12 | Conan_Kudo | for that reason |
| 04:15.23 | Dark_Shikari | windows file locking is blegh |
| 04:16.35 | jcreigh | blegh? |
| 04:17.32 | sreich2 | horrible |
| 04:18.02 | sreich2 | the worst idea ever of a file structure |
| 04:18.46 | sreich2 | files shouldn't be mandatorily locked. it should be up to the application to decide what it wants to do, and what it *should* do if and when the file changes |
| 04:20.01 | sreich2 | anyone who has programmed in linux for a short while will realize how much better it is without locking. i.e. recompiling doesn't require you to kill every process spawned from that binary |
| 04:20.12 | sreich2 | which is perfect for debugging purposes.. |
| 04:20.27 | Conan_Kudo | the funny thing is that NT itself is just like POSIX in that way |
| 04:20.46 | Conan_Kudo | it doesn't mandate locking files |
| 04:20.54 | Conan_Kudo | it delegates that to the API |
| 04:20.57 | sreich2 | and the windows file locking is very excessive too. i.e. if a file is opened somewhere, e.g. you can't open it in a text editor until it is closed |
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| 04:21.53 | sreich2 | Conan_Kudo: really? that's interesting..at what level is it required? |
| 04:22.09 | Conan_Kudo | in the case of Windows NT |
| 04:22.17 | Conan_Kudo | win32k.dll is the one that specifies it, I believe |
| 04:23.21 | Gangahar | -? |
| 04:25.09 | Conan_Kudo | I'm a bit rusty on my NT architecture knowledge, but I think it works somewhat like this |
| 04:25.38 | jcreigh | so, in unix terms, that would be kind of like if the kernel didn't enforce something, but libc did? |
| 04:25.46 | Conan_Kudo | yeah |
| 04:26.22 | Conan_Kudo | win32k.dll is the DLL that tells NT kernel that the Win32 API exists and how to manage it in terms of NT's internal API |
| 04:26.39 | Conan_Kudo | from there, you have a whole bunch of other DLLs that link into it |
| 04:26.47 | Conan_Kudo | and that makes up the lowest level of Win32 API |
| 04:27.59 | Conan_Kudo | the reason the Win32 API mandates it is because it inherits from DOS |
| 04:28.35 | Conan_Kudo | all OSes that descend from DOS have this problem |
| 04:28.52 | sreich2 | is it actually DOS at it's core, or is that just gone now? |
| 04:28.56 | Conan_Kudo | that's gone |
| 04:29.06 | Conan_Kudo | but the DOS heritage (design choices and stuff) is still there |
| 04:29.10 | Ori_B | sreich2: that was the Win9x series |
| 04:29.19 | sreich2 | I see |
| 04:29.33 | sreich2 | why is it called win32? does this change to e.g. win64? |
| 04:29.50 | Ori_B | sreich2: because it's the successor of Win16 |
| 04:29.50 | Conan_Kudo | because the original API was called the WinAPI |
| 04:29.58 | Conan_Kudo | and that API was 16-bit |
| 04:30.03 | Ori_B | or.. yeah. Conan_Kudo has this covered better than I do :P |
| 04:30.08 | sreich2 | ah, creativity :) |
| 04:30.09 | Ori_B | is a Unix guy through and through |
| 04:30.17 | sreich2 | too |
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| 04:30.28 | sreich2 | albeit, inexperienced at best |
| 04:30.41 | Conan_Kudo | because the switch from 16-bit to 32-bit was such a big deal (a buzzword if there was one then), Microsoft adopted the monkier of Win32 for the 32-bit API |
| 04:30.44 | Ori_B | I'd like to think I've got reasonable experience :) |
| 04:31.17 | Conan_Kudo | and nicknamed the WinAPI the Win16 API |
| 04:31.18 | Dark_Shikari | and then they moved it to 64-bit |
| 04:31.21 | Dark_Shikari | and didn't change the variable names |
| 04:31.22 | Ori_B | sreich2: anyways, MS seems to be calling the 64-bit version of the API 'Win64' |
| 04:31.25 | Dark_Shikari | despite using hungarian notation |
| 04:31.26 | Ori_B | at least in some of their docs |
| 04:31.49 | Conan_Kudo | officially and formally, the "Windows API" refers to the 16-bit one |
| 04:31.57 | sreich2 | oh yeah. hungarian notation. I despise it now :) |
| 04:32.03 | Conan_Kudo | but informally and commonly, that is the 32-bit one |
| 04:32.21 | Conan_Kudo | the insanity with 64-bit is that the API didn't actually change all that much between 32-bit and 64-bit |
| 04:32.26 | Conan_Kudo | only datatype sizes |
| 04:32.46 | Conan_Kudo | a few functions here and there were dropped or reworked, but overall the API remained the same |
| 04:32.56 | sreich2 | how is that insane? |
| 04:33.09 | Dark_Shikari | Conan_Kudo: except that horrible horrible mangling of the ABI |
| 04:33.14 | Dark_Shikari | with the intent to fuck up everyone |
| 04:33.16 | Conan_Kudo | Exactly |
| 04:33.20 | Catfish_Man | sreich2: not taking advantage of a forced abi compat break to deprecate things |
| 04:33.42 | Catfish_Man | compatibility breaks are beautiful rare gems |
| 04:33.46 | Conan_Kudo | so applications began failing to compile or run left right and center |
| 04:33.50 | Dark_Shikari | the win64 ABI is one of the single most obnoxious technical things microsoft ever did |
| 04:34.01 | Dark_Shikari | "let's pick a totally different ABI from every other OS, for NO REASON!" |
| 04:34.03 | sreich2 | but wouldn't this make it more painful for applications to run against it? |
| 04:34.16 | Conan_Kudo | the odd thing is that 9 times out of 10, the applications compiled successfully |
| 04:34.23 | Dark_Shikari | compiled |
| 04:34.25 | Dark_Shikari | But ran? |
| 04:34.29 | Conan_Kudo | once they ran, you basically were in for hell |
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| 04:35.00 | Conan_Kudo | because of ABI mangling, datatype breakages, function prototype changes, etc. |
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| 04:35.32 | Conan_Kudo | and Microsoft didn't bother to specify a process to force API/ABI deprecation in Win32 API |
| 04:35.59 | Conan_Kudo | they were almost forced to when Sun attempted to get the Win32 API pushed through as an ISO standard |
| 04:36.18 | Conan_Kudo | but Microsoft paid off a lot of people in the ISO committees to destroy Sun's attempts |
| 04:36.30 | sreich2 | what do you mean, push it through as an ISO standard? |
| 04:37.07 | Conan_Kudo | Way back in the mid 90s, Sun attempted to get the Win32 API standardized so that they wouldn't have to fear breakages with their source level compatibility API they included with Solaris |
| 04:38.04 | sreich2 | how was it not standardized to begin with? |
| 04:38.06 | Ori_B | Conan_Kudo: so kind of like an ancient source-level version of WINE? |
| 04:38.09 | Conan_Kudo | yeah |
| 04:39.07 | Conan_Kudo | today Wine is both a source level and binary level Win32 API compatibility layer |
| 04:40.12 | Conan_Kudo | projects like ReactOS borrow Wine Win32 headers to generate FOSS Win32 SDKs so that Win32 code can be compiled in GCC and other open source compilers |
| 04:42.20 | sreich2 | Conan_Kudo: how was the Win32 API not standardized? |
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| 04:42.43 | Conan_Kudo | Microsoft is the only author of the API, they can do whatever the fuck they want with it, without notice |
| 04:43.02 | sreich2 | right. well, that's pretty much what closed source is |
| 04:43.16 | Ori_B | well, that's pretty much what all code is. |
| 04:43.25 | Ori_B | *looks at the linux kernel module API* |
| 04:43.34 | Conan_Kudo | going through the standardization process means guaranteeing a baseline API that wouldn't change |
| 04:44.06 | Conan_Kudo | I'd argue that the Linux kernel needs a stable module ABI, but so far, things have worked out well for it |
| 04:44.21 | Conan_Kudo | I personally still think it needs one, but meh |
| 04:44.21 | Catfish_Man | yeah, I certainly had few qualms about screwing over people relying on Adium's API for 1.4 |
| 04:44.29 | sreich2 | what are their policies on ABI? |
| 04:44.38 | Conan_Kudo | break break break |
| 04:44.43 | Catfish_Man | it was like "inconvenience some people in exchange for fixing huge core architectural issues? ok!" |
| 04:44.45 | kimelto | :> |
| 04:44.57 | Conan_Kudo | ABI has never been well cared for by programmers |
| 04:45.11 | sreich2 | because it's a pain in the ass to actually achieve :p |
| 04:45.15 | Catfish_Man | Conan_Kudo: it's a lot bigger concern for me at work |
| 04:45.15 | Ori_B | stable ABIs are a real drag. |
| 04:45.22 | Catfish_Man | binary compat breaks are *not* ok |
| 04:45.32 | Conan_Kudo | I know |
| 04:45.50 | Ori_B | if you can avoid exposing one, it's a good idea... |
| 04:45.51 | Catfish_Man | wish they were. There's a lot of stuff we'd love to do |
| 04:45.54 | Conan_Kudo | I deal with them a lot while attempting to test my project on several different platforms |
| 04:45.56 | kimelto | Catfish_Man: thats the purpose of the -STABLE branches of FreeBSD, no ABI changes :) |
| 04:46.11 | kimelto | Conan_Kudo: actually |
| 04:46.23 | sreich2 | well..with the Linux kernel, when are they allowed to break it? whenever? when does it tend to occur? |
| 04:46.26 | Catfish_Man | kimelto: yeah... we basically don't ever get to break compat. The only exceptions are things like the 32->64 bit transition |
| 04:46.27 | Conan_Kudo | FreeBSD is the only project that I know of that has ABI stabilization down to a science |
| 04:46.40 | Ori_B | sreich2: it happens whenever a developer feels like it, more or less. |
| 04:47.08 | Ori_B | they don't make any guarantees, and the interfaces come and go constantly. |
| 04:47.11 | Conan_Kudo | sreich2: Linus himself scoffed at ABI compatibility, and I think one time he was asked about it, he purposely broke it with a trivial change to the kernel |
| 04:47.19 | sreich2 | well, at least we can be more innovative that way, less cruft in places :) |
| 04:47.26 | sreich2 | Conan_Kudo: haha |
| 04:47.36 | Catfish_Man | kimelto: in particular, the fragile base class problem is enormous amounts of suck for us |
| 04:47.43 | Ori_B | the Linux view is that the drivers should live in the tree whenever possible. |
| 04:47.44 | Catfish_Man | can't change ivar layouts, some of which were defined in like 1990 |
| 04:48.11 | Conan_Kudo | however, the application ABI is probably more stable than any other kernel->userland ABI |
| 04:48.17 | Ori_B | and that way the drivers get updated in lockstep. |
| 04:48.22 | Ori_B | yes; in Linux, userspace a |
| 04:48.26 | Ori_B | yes; in Linux, userspace ABI is sacred. |
| 04:48.48 | Conan_Kudo | and yet... |
| 04:48.51 | Ori_B | but drivers/modules... hah, good luck if it keeps working more than 3 or 4 versions down the line. |
| 04:48.56 | Ori_B | shrugs. |
| 04:49.08 | Conan_Kudo | good luck if it works *one* version down the line |
| 04:49.10 | Ori_B | I should be getting work done. |
| 04:50.50 | Conan_Kudo | though I really shouldn't talk |
| 04:50.59 | Conan_Kudo | my project regularly breaks API compatibility with itself |
| 04:51.11 | Conan_Kudo | though we are heading towards stabilization now |
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| 10:20.10 | vips | hello everyone |
| 10:23.03 | araujo | hi |
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| 10:23.46 | vips | arajuo, M here first time. Dont people here talk publicly? |
| 10:24.40 | ojwb | we're enjoying the calm before the storm |
| 10:24.51 | ojwb | before the *next* storm, really |
| 10:25.06 | Ivanovic | talking is overrated anyway! |
| 10:25.06 | vips | storm?? |
| 10:25.08 | Ivanovic | ;) |
| 10:25.29 | Ivanovic | the next storm is the announcement of accepted orgs |
| 10:25.32 | dhaun | !next |
| 10:25.33 | socinfo | "next" is March 18th ~19:00 UTC: List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2010 site. |
| 10:25.46 | Ivanovic | since this also includes those orgs that are not accepted asking for the reason |
| 10:26.10 | vips | on what basis students are selected? |
| 10:26.32 | Ivanovic | depends completely on the project that mentors! |
| 10:26.59 | Pragu | sorry to interrupt, that means the mentors pick the students? |
| 10:27.22 | Ivanovic | Pragu: almost |
| 10:27.22 | ojwb | well, the orgs do |
| 10:27.31 | Ivanovic | the mentors are part of the orgs |
| 10:27.32 | ojwb | it depends on the org exactly how |
| 10:27.44 | ojwb | but it's generally the admins with at least some input from the mentors |
| 10:27.47 | Ivanovic | but how the mentors are assigned to the students is a matter for the orgs |
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| 10:28.04 | vips | on what basis....previous project experience? What is the general trend? and how much applications does google receive from students? |
| 10:28.05 | Pragu | ok, have you done it in the previous years? |
| 10:28.19 | Ivanovic | eg at wesnoth everyone directly related to SoC (that is mentors and admins) do rate all proposals leaving comments (public and private) |
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| 10:28.53 | vips | M new this year |
| 10:28.54 | Ivanovic | later on we have some discussion which ones are the best proposals / the most likely students to implement their proposals *and* stay afterwards |
| 10:29.20 | Pragu | i'm also new, btw vips sorry for interupting your questions |
| 10:29.42 | araujo | vips, people do talk here , sometimes just bit quiet around, and yes, soon storms will arrive :) |
| 10:29.46 | Ivanovic | things like "is the student able to work on his own" does matter but also "is the student able to communicate well with us" (really important!) |
| 10:30.17 | Ivanovic | though the selection criterias (and how they are weighted!) do vary from org to org |
| 10:31.23 | Pragu | students can apply starting the 29th right? |
| 10:32.06 | vips | I need to gather more information before I put questions here. thanks for now. |
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| 10:34.08 | peque | hi all :) |
| 10:34.38 | peque | how can I know which projects are accepted in this year GSOC? |
| 10:35.20 | peque | is there a list or something? |
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| 10:37.31 | ojwb | !next |
| 10:37.31 | socinfo | "next" is March 18th ~19:00 UTC: List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2010 site. |
| 10:37.37 | ojwb | peque: it's announced then ^^^ |
| 10:38.23 | peque | oks, didn't see that :S |
| 10:38.27 | peque | thanks :) |
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| 10:51.09 | stavrob | hey guys. im looking for a gsoc project that is video/media/graphics related. I found one on the gstreamer website about implementing vdpau that looked perfect but it seems somebody else who already wrote a bit of it is applying for that |
| 10:51.16 | stavrob | anyone got any pointers? |
| 10:51.36 | skbohra_ | !anyone |
| 10:51.36 | socinfo | "anyone" is Instead of looking for mentors from specific projects here, you will likely get much better results by speaking to that mentoring organization themselves. You can find the org's contact info by clicking on their name in the list at: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 10:51.37 | Dark_Shikari | ffmpeg, x264, videolan |
| 10:51.56 | peppe | stavrob: try asking on gstreamer mailing lists or on its IRC channel (if it has one). if gstreamer is already "taken", consider applying for ffmpeg, or VLC, or mplayer... :) |
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| 10:51.57 | Dark_Shikari | vdpau support has already been done in libavcodec, a gstreamer implementation will probably consist largely of copy-pasting C code |
| 10:52.39 | stavrob | Dark_Shikari: well its irrelevant anyway as someone else is already applying to do it |
| 10:53.41 | peppe | stavrob: if you fear that, be sure to have a plan B (and a plan C). you can submit up to twenty applications... |
| 10:53.44 | Dark_Shikari | http://wiki.videolan.org/SoC_2010 |
| 10:53.48 | Dark_Shikari | http://wiki.videolan.org/SoC_x264_2010 |
| 10:54.03 | Dark_Shikari | http://wiki.multimedia.cx/index.php?title=FFmpeg_Summer_Of_Code_2010 |
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| 11:02.30 | Ivanovic | stavrob: per project idea usually at least 3 people do apply, normally *by far* more |
| 11:05.19 | ojwb | Ivanovic: I think that's probably quite variable - certainly for SWIG we didn't see that many applicants for most ideas |
| 11:05.46 | Ivanovic | okay, i am talking about the amount of student proposals we got at wesnoth |
| 11:05.56 | Ivanovic | and yeah, all were different, at least in the details |
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| 11:06.56 | ojwb | probably also depends how long your ideas list is! |
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| 11:09.28 | ReDucTor | difficulty would play a big part to |
| 11:09.38 | peppe | and the visibility your project has, and the difficulty in implementing that idea, and the moon phase |
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| 11:20.24 | Ivanovic | peppe: visibility for all projects in SoC is rather high |
| 11:20.41 | Ivanovic | ojwb: yeah, it does depend on the length of the idea list |
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| 11:35.53 | gunji | any distributed computing based projects in gsoc |
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| 11:42.58 | welterde | depends on what you mean by that |
| 11:45.09 | gunji | welterde: Please elborate |
| 11:47.15 | welterde | gunji: wether you want to distribute some task like rendering of some film or so on a set of trusted computing nodes, or on a set of untrusted nodes, etc. |
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| 11:48.28 | gunji | Do u knw projects in any form distributed |
| 11:50.07 | welterde | so.. non-computing related projects as well? |
| 11:50.28 | welterde | like networks used for anonymous communication? |
| 11:51.31 | casinaroyale | welterde, looks interesting to me. Go on if you know some |
| 11:52.05 | welterde | ok... my project is a great example then ;-) |
| 11:52.51 | welterde | is from I2P, which is an network like TOR, but unlike it, we focus on internal communication |
| 11:53.00 | welterde | (ie. it's a closed network) |
| 11:54.41 | casinaroyale | welterde, What is I in I2P? |
| 11:54.43 | smtms | welterde, isn't that too easy problem to solve? |
| 11:55.18 | welterde | casinaroyale: I2P as in I^2P or Invisible internet project :) |
| 11:55.27 | welterde | smtms: why should it be easy? |
| 11:55.52 | smtms | closed network sounds easy to me |
| 11:56.08 | welterde | here is the ideas list if you are interested: https://trac.i2p2.de/wiki/gsoc/ideas |
| 11:56.31 | welterde | closed not as in you have to know someone to join |
| 11:56.39 | welterde | in that sense it's open |
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| 11:57.05 | welterde | but closed as in, outproxy's like Tor has, are not an integral part of i2p |
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| 12:00.07 | welterde | smtms: so.. still sounds easy? |
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| 12:01.48 | gunji | welterde: what is your project , i got disconnected :( |
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| 12:02.39 | welterde | I2P - http://www.i2p2.de/ - https://trac.i2p2.de/wiki/gsoc/ideas |
| 12:04.01 | welterde | smtms: problem is that we don't have too much peer review yet.. so it's difficult to tell, wether we have done everything correctly.. |
| 12:04.04 | gunji | il go through them |
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| 12:06.53 | WinterMute | hmm |
| 12:07.12 | WinterMute | what's the point of cacert.org if browsers don't trust the certs? |
| 12:07.42 | welterde | WinterMute: still a bit better than self-signed |
| 12:08.01 | gunji | ya , browser dont trust i2p2 ideas page certi |
| 12:08.30 | WinterMute | doesn't it look the same as self signed from a user perspective? |
| 12:09.00 | welterde | they could verify it with cacert, if they really wanted.. |
| 12:09.02 | gunji | WinterMute: Ya |
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| 12:09.30 | gunji | welterde: Thats a bit long process |
| 12:09.31 | ojwb | debian trusts cacert by default |
| 12:09.45 | ojwb | i think some other distros do too |
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| 12:13.30 | welterde | http://wiki.cacert.org/InclusionStatus |
| 12:16.59 | welterde | gunji: so.. interested? :) |
| 12:17.44 | gunji | ya , a bit , will need to go through whole before commiting |
| 12:18.02 | welterde | cool :) |
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| 12:22.56 | spectie | !timeline |
| 12:22.56 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
| 12:23.00 | spectie | !next |
| 12:23.00 | socinfo | "next" is March 18th ~19:00 UTC: List of accepted mentoring organizations published on the Google Summer of Code 2010 site. |
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| 12:23.30 | welterde | casinaroyale: interested as well? ;) |
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| 12:24.10 | casinaroyale | welterde, looking into it |
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| 12:24.52 | SukhE | welterde: Any C++ projects or all Jva? |
| 12:24.58 | SukhE | s/Jva/Java |
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| 12:27.55 | welterde | SukhE: there is libjbigi for example |
| 12:29.10 | welterde | SukhE: http://www.i2p2.de/jbigi.html <- afair needs quite a bit of improvement.. |
| 12:29.23 | SukhE | Yup. I am looking at it. |
| 12:29.53 | SukhE | Oops. It appears the link is down. |
| 12:30.03 | welterde | the link i just gave you? |
| 12:30.07 | gunji | welterde: me to in favour of C/C++ then java |
| 12:30.15 | SukhE | Works. |
| 12:31.17 | welterde | of course there is always the possibilty to develop your own application in any language of your liking |
| 12:32.51 | welterde | only problem currently is that there is no I2CP library for C/C++ yet |
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| 12:33.28 | gunji | welterde: :( . can we talk on #i2p |
| 12:34.05 | welterde | i am there :) |
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| 12:34.15 | welterde | (welt is me as well) |
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| 12:54.58 | SRabbelier | !timeline |
| 12:54.59 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 13:02.32 | bans_ | any project which are in C ?? |
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| 13:02.36 | bans_ | or C++ |
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| 13:06.07 | gack | ideas in network security ?? |
| 13:06.43 | jaideep | gack: NMap, Umit |
| 13:07.11 | gack | gack: anything else ? |
| 13:07.15 | Lunixed | !help |
| 13:07.15 | socinfo | "help" is !next, !faq, !advice and !wiki. !botabuse tells you about private query syntax |
| 13:08.32 | jaideep | is the delicious link still working for the categorize lists ?? |
| 13:10.44 | gack | jaideep ? |
| 13:11.19 | jaideep | yup |
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| 13:15.08 | ojwb | jaideep: I'd imagine so, but it will still be last year's orgs as this year's haven't been announced yet |
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| 13:16.18 | jaideep | ojwb: please can u give me the link :) |
| 13:16.40 | schumaml | !orgsbylang |
| 13:16.40 | socinfo | "orgsbylang" is The 2009 list is work in progress: http://delicious.com/gsoc2009/bundle:Languages |
| 13:16.54 | jaideep | thanks schumaml :) |
| 13:17.51 | peppe | cool |
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| 13:20.54 | schumaml | I assume it will be mostly correct for any org that'll be accepted again |
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| 14:53.46 | *** topic/#gsoc by kblin -> Google Summer of Code 2010 is On! - Mentoring Orgs announced 18th March ~19:00 UTC - File Feature Requests & Bugs at http://bit.ly/a5tD87 - Read the FAQs: http://bit.ly/9q41Ey - Consider Hosting a GSoC Info Session: http://bit.ly/amIwdd - We need flyer and presentations translations, videos too! |
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| 15:05.19 | sahilsk | hi |
| 15:05.49 | sahilsk | can anyone here tell me the various project under gsoc under which i can apply? |
| 15:06.19 | Jeff_S | sahilsk: the mentor orgs just finished the application process; it has not been decided yet for this year who will participate |
| 15:06.37 | Jeff_S | sahilsk: however, if you look at the list of orgs from last year, that should give you a good idea |
| 15:06.43 | Jeff_S | !timeline |
| 15:06.43 | socinfo | "timeline" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#timeline |
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| 15:25.30 | anirudh | its better to discuss the ideas with the mentoring org before applying right? |
| 15:27.46 | smtms | right |
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| 15:37.47 | Monu | hello everyone!! I am participating in GSoC for first time.Can you suggest me some projects.I'm 3rd year CSE student. |
| 15:40.05 | Conan_Kudo | Monu, the GSoC hasn't announced which organizations made the cut quite yet |
| 15:40.07 | edsiper | Monu, Organizations are under revision process, there's no organization approved yet, we (as organization) will get the results on March 18th |
| 15:40.33 | Conan_Kudo | edsiper, I was under the impression it was _no later_ than March 18 |
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| 15:40.50 | edsiper | Conan_Kudo, me too, but that's the deadline :) |
| 15:41.12 | Conan_Kudo | nods in agreement |
| 15:41.14 | edsiper | I'm prepared for March 18, if the results are ready sooner would be great :D |
| 15:41.22 | Conan_Kudo | same here |
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| 15:41.36 | peppe | patience, people, patience |
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| 15:42.09 | edsiper | Monu, in any case, there's a lot of organization that you can be sure in 90% that will be part of the process as Google, Gnome, Linux Foundation... |
| 15:42.23 | edsiper | they have the ideas list available |
| 15:42.32 | sreich | thinks there must be a disease-bearing-virus that prevents people from reading FAQs |
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| 15:42.44 | Conan_Kudo | you can also Google for Ideas lists for 2010 |
| 15:42.51 | adifire | nods |
| 15:43.00 | Conan_Kudo | though I don't think that my project's list actually shows up |
| 15:43.05 | Conan_Kudo | which is weird |
| 15:43.17 | edsiper | Conan_Kudo, what's your org ? |
| 15:43.18 | Conan_Kudo | because our site uses Google sitemaps to make sure stuff like that is indexed |
| 15:43.23 | Conan_Kudo | Enano CMS project |
| 15:43.34 | edsiper | enano = little guy ? |
| 15:43.45 | Conan_Kudo | http://enanocms.org/Summer_of_Code_2010_Ideas |
| 15:43.47 | Conan_Kudo | yeah :) |
| 15:43.50 | edsiper | nice |
| 15:44.03 | edsiper | are you from a spanish country language ? |
| 15:44.07 | Conan_Kudo | nope |
| 15:44.16 | Conan_Kudo | we chose the name after finding out four previous names we chose were owned by companies |
| 15:44.19 | edsiper | the hat in the logo looks like mexican |
| 15:44.34 | Conan_Kudo | I was in Spanish class in high school when we chose the name and logo ;) |
| 15:44.44 | edsiper | cool |
| 15:44.46 | Conan_Kudo | I suggested the name |
| 15:45.00 | Conan_Kudo | and since it was the only one not being used in its category at the time... we kept the name |
| 15:45.33 | edsiper | i'm from a spanish country, my org name is in english "monkey", i'm wondering why i didn't choose the spanish word: mono |
| 15:45.34 | Conan_Kudo | blinks |
| 15:45.50 | Conan_Kudo | maybe because that project exists? |
| 15:45.58 | edsiper | monkey was created on 2001 |
| 15:46.09 | Conan_Kudo | which was before Mono... gotcha |
| 15:46.15 | edsiper | that's right |
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| 15:46.51 | dhaun | Conan_Kudo: an Akismet plugin as a GSoC project? shouldn't that be done in a few days? |
| 15:46.59 | Conan_Kudo | hell if I know |
| 15:47.06 | Conan_Kudo | I'm not the one that rated that project |
| 15:47.09 | edsiper | there're a couple of cool names on projects, a guy from Chile created Kopete, the IM client for KDE, the name is a slang in our country for drinks |
| 15:47.28 | Conan_Kudo | the mentors rated the items |
| 15:47.50 | Conan_Kudo | I think it's rated so high because of how deep the integration has to go |
| 15:47.52 | dhaun | Conan_Kudo: k, just wondering; I wrote one for our project - took me a weekend ⦠|
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| 15:48.21 | Conan_Kudo | well, it is a project on there |
| 15:48.51 | Conan_Kudo | if you want to do it, start hanging around in our project IRC channel and stuff |
| 15:48.56 | dhaun | admittedly, we had the spam filtering infrastructure already in place |
| 15:49.13 | dhaun | Conan_Kudo: sorry, I plan to be a mentor, if Google chooses us again :) |
| 15:49.23 | Conan_Kudo | ahh ok |
| 15:49.37 | Conan_Kudo | what's your org? |
| 15:49.51 | dhaun | Geeklog - yet another CMS ;-) |
| 15:50.16 | Conan_Kudo | ahh, I know that one |
| 15:50.26 | Conan_Kudo | a lot of Fanfiction sites use it |
| 15:50.39 | Monu4 | i visited this link https://http://enanocms.org/summer_of_code_2010_ideas but it doesnt exists.I thought i will get som ideas but my bad luck :( |
| 15:50.42 | lut4rp | the Anjuta IDE for GNOME was actually named after the lead developer's girlfriend/wife :) |
| 15:51.06 | Conan_Kudo | Monu4, case sensitive, and it isn't https |
| 15:51.32 | thebolt | lut4rp: there worse ways to name a project |
| 15:51.42 | Monu4 | ohkk conan_kudo... i guess i hv nt taken care of cases.. leme try it agn |
| 15:51.45 | Conan_Kudo | Monu4: http://enanocms.org/Summer_of_Code_2010_Ideas |
| 15:51.51 | lut4rp | thebolt, lol :P |
| 15:52.01 | thebolt | lut4rp: i'm thinking about adopting my gfs initials for a part of a company name.. my initials don't make that good combination ;) |
| 15:52.01 | Conan_Kudo | lut4rp: I heard about that |
| 15:52.13 | lut4rp | thebolt, :D |
| 15:52.20 | lut4rp | thebolt, btw, OHAI! |
| 15:52.21 | Conan_Kudo | wasn't one of the GNU project almost named like that? |
| 15:52.29 | Conan_Kudo | s/project/projects/ |
| 15:52.33 | thebolt | lut4rp: a certain company in redmond would probably be mad if i used MS <something> ;-) |
| 15:52.39 | edsiper | Monu4, what type of project are you looking for ? which technologies related ? |
| 15:52.45 | lut4rp | thebolt, rofl |
| 15:52.50 | lut4rp | Indeed :) |
| 15:52.52 | anirudh | thebolt lol |
| 15:53.02 | thebolt | not my fault my parents named me that way ;) |
| 15:53.19 | Monu4 | it worked |
| 15:53.22 | Monu4 | :) |
| 15:53.39 | thebolt | (LCP on the other hand, apart from being a type of mathematical problems seems to be pretty free in company-name-space ;) |
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| 15:56.18 | Monu4 | how much mentor helps in designing any project? |
| 15:56.55 | Conan_Kudo | as much as a student needs, as I understand it |
| 15:57.11 | spectie | yep |
| 15:57.55 | Conan_Kudo | theoretically, if a student doesn't want help, mentors don't have to force help on to them |
| 15:58.11 | Conan_Kudo | but mentors need to be prepared to expect the student to need a lot of help |
| 15:58.19 | sreich | but they can force help if they want to ;-) |
| 15:58.49 | Conan_Kudo | true, but that isn't a good way to build mentor-student relationships ;) |
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| 15:59.51 | peppe | this is going to end like the karate kid |
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| 16:01.38 | WinterMute | isn't LCP some kind of drug? |
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| 16:02.28 | sreich | I guess you're thinking of LSD |
| 16:03.36 | lut4rp | Berkeley++ |
| 16:03.37 | lut4rp | :) |
| 16:04.01 | peppe | that sounds like mistaking "thumbtacs" for "tampax" |
| 16:04.24 | sreich | same concept |
| 16:04.32 | thebolt | WinterMute: LCP is a number of things ;) |
| 16:05.57 | thebolt | WinterMute: but yea, still looking for a name, preferably a "nonsense" word ;) |
| 16:06.35 | sreich | lsdjkfklj |
| 16:06.45 | sreich | I don't think that one is taken.. (yet) |
| 16:07.22 | thebolt | haha |
| 16:07.31 | thebolt | should be pronouncable and also sound like a real thing ,) |
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| 16:15.43 | Conan_Kudo | Janken! |
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| 18:20.34 | ThomasWaldmann | moin |
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| 18:27.11 | MrBlueSky | Hi! I've got a question about this on the GSoC FAQ: "For all students, we will need a transcript/proof of enrollment in school. Transcripts do not need to be official.". Does this mean that GSoC students must also be enrolled in a college? |
| 18:27.42 | Dark_Shikari | or a similar educational program, yes |
| 18:28.27 | MrBlueSky | I'm finishing my last year of high school right now. Could that count? |
| 18:28.41 | Dark_Shikari | Should work |
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| 18:28.49 | MrBlueSky | great, thanks! (: |
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| 18:29.19 | JonathanFrias | hey guys I've just heard about this program and i would like to be a part of it. I've signed in at the soc site. What should i do now? I'm in high school. |
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| 18:30.34 | anth | are you 18, or will you be by april? |
| 18:30.49 | JonathanFrias | no. |
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| 18:31.12 | Dark_Shikari | then you're out of luck. |
| 18:31.12 | JonathanFrias | anth: no |
| 18:31.14 | anth | unfortunately, you won't be able to participate as a student. |
| 18:31.19 | JonathanFrias | oh |
| 18:31.21 | JonathanFrias | :( |
| 18:31.25 | Dark_Shikari | But of course you can participate without being a student. |
| 18:31.30 | Dark_Shikari | You just don't get a fancy T-shirt. |
| 18:31.37 | Dark_Shikari | (or $5000) |
| 18:31.46 | JonathanFrias | :( |
| 18:31.55 | JonathanFrias | so what could i do? |
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| 18:32.29 | JonathanFrias | wait i am a student though |
| 18:32.32 | thebolt | grow another year older and wiser.. and start contributing to some project you like |
| 18:32.34 | JonathanFrias | i just said im in high schoool |
| 18:32.36 | sreich | not a college student |
| 18:32.59 | anth | i don't believe college, per se, is the important part (although that's the expectation). you have to be over 18. |
| 18:33.03 | sreich | it doesn't apply to highschool students who are not enrolled in a college and are not 18 by april |
| 18:33.11 | anth | (and a student *somewhere*) |
| 18:33.31 | sreich | anth: highschool would work then? |
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| 18:33.59 | arun_ | from the faq: "As long as you are enrolled in a college or university program as of April 26, 2010, you are eligible to participate in the program. " |
| 18:34.10 | sreich | right |
| 18:34.13 | anirudh | just a question. how does google benefit from this? |
| 18:34.21 | anth | that certainly implies not. |
| 18:34.23 | sreich | i.e. not just a student in highschool |
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| 18:34.28 | JonathanFrias | publicity? |
| 18:34.29 | sreich | anirudh: nothing really |
| 18:34.38 | anth | anirudh: gets people working on open source projects. |
| 18:34.44 | anth | what's good for everyone is good for google. |
| 18:34.46 | sreich | other than good PR and helping the FOSS community |
| 18:34.57 | anirudh | i see... |
| 18:39.29 | ThomasWaldmann | anirudh: google uses a lot of FOSS, not necessarily the stuff they have in SOC, though |
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| 18:43.33 | smtms | more FOSS is good weapon against the monopoly of certain other company |
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| 18:44.42 | danderson | anirudh: a couple of things. |
| 18:45.07 | danderson | 1) Google uses FOSS extensively. Therefore, encouraging and developing the FOSS world is to our advantage. |
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| 18:46.26 | danderson | 2) If it makes just one future hacker become better at what she does for a couple of months, instead of flipping burgers with zero knowledge gain, that's a win (consider it a long-term investment in having more skilled developers in the world) |
| 18:47.38 | danderson | 3) It brings pretty good karma, no doubt about that (then again, given the millions the program costs, if there were only this factor, it would be a really really expensive marketing campaign) |
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| 18:59.05 | MrBlueSky | I just got back from lunch and noticed that arun_ said that you must be enrolled in a college or uni program. Like I said, I'm 18 and in high school. I'm planning on enrolling in a local community college during the summer, but not by April 26. So does this mean that I'm disqualified? |
| 18:59.24 | Dark_Shikari | no |
| 18:59.49 | danderson | !faw |
| 18:59.49 | socinfo | Error: "faw" is not a valid command. |
| 18:59.51 | danderson | gah |
| 18:59.53 | danderson | !faq |
| 18:59.53 | socinfo | "faq" is http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs |
| 19:00.31 | danderson | Dark_Shikari: that's incorrect |
| 19:01.04 | danderson | MrBlueSky: unfortunately, that would mean you're disqualified. You need to be enrolled (just a confirmation of enrollment, the classes don't need to have started or anything) by the cutoff date |
| 19:01.17 | Dark_Shikari | ahhh, ok |
| 19:01.23 | Dark_Shikari | so you have to be enrolled, but classes don't have to be started |
| 19:01.49 | danderson | you need to have some kind of letter/confirmation saying that you are going to be a student at $some_place |
| 19:01.59 | danderson | and you need to have that by 26th April |
| 19:02.26 | sreich | MrBlueSky: if you don't mind me asking, how much hacking experience do you have? |
| 19:03.13 | danderson | MrBlueSky: hope that helps, and very sorry if that places you on the wrong side of the deadline for this year - It sucks, but we have to draw the eligibility line somewhere :( |
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| 19:03.32 | MrBlueSky | danderson: It's cool. It just means I need to apply for college now. |
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| 19:03.53 | sreich | shouldn't you have done that before anyways? :p |
| 19:04.00 | danderson | ah, that's the word I was looking for |
| 19:04.01 | danderson | "accepted" |
| 19:04.31 | danderson | to be eligible, you must be enrolled or accepted into an accredited institution (which includes college) |
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| 19:04.50 | JonathanFrias | hey i've been accepted into college for the fall, but will not be 18 by april. I'm in high school. what does that mean for me? |
| 19:04.51 | danderson | in your case, that would probably be accepted, with some acceptance letter from the college |
| 19:05.06 | danderson | You must be 18 years of age or older by April 26, 2010 to be eligible. |
| 19:05.30 | danderson | unfortunately, that's another one of those hard limits :( |
| 19:05.36 | sreich | unless of course your birth certificate gets a little..er...smudged.. ;-) |
| 19:05.53 | danderson | (that one is mostly due to employment law requirements) |
| 19:05.54 | JonathanFrias | lol |
| 19:06.04 | JonathanFrias | now where was that card |
| 19:06.05 | danderson | um, yeah, don't do that |
| 19:06.14 | MrBlueSky | sreich: I started with php about 4 years ago. I made a few interactive websites and later switched to python. I've done a lot of playing around in pygame and I've helped work on http://tasp.cc, a website for artists that is WIP. I've made chat bots and played with genetic algorithms. I'm now learning haskell and am just getting into monads. |
| 19:06.16 | danderson | very bad idea for so many reasons :) |
| 19:06.31 | sreich | danderson: fun ruiner! :) |
| 19:06.44 | JonathanFrias | lol i know! |
| 19:06.47 | sreich | heh, wouldn't that be unfortunate if an applicee's birth date was Aprile 25th or so.. :D |
| 19:06.58 | sreich | er.. -e |
| 19:07.17 | danderson | MrBlueSky: you should indeed apply. That kind of resume before college is pretty neat. |
| 19:07.24 | sreich | MrBlueSky: cool |
| 19:07.47 | danderson | !orgs |
| 19:07.47 | socinfo | "orgs" is 367 orgs applied for GSoC 2010. List of accepted orgs to be published March 18 ~19:00 UTC. In the meantime, check the list of orgs from 2009: http://socghop.appspot.com/program/accepted_orgs/google/gsoc2009 |
| 19:08.09 | MrBlueSky | It's just kind of weird that high school isn't counted as an accredited institution to me. |
| 19:08.21 | MrBlueSky | I mean I'm even getting college credits in it |
| 19:08.29 | MrBlueSky | at least one or two |
| 19:08.37 | sreich | same |
| 19:09.00 | danderson | yes, it is. We have to draw the line somewhere, unfortunately things can suck near the line. |
| 19:09.29 | danderson | MrBlueSky: if you're getting college credits, are you enrolled in a pre-university educational program? |
| 19:09.42 | danderson | because if so, proof of enrollment in that is also valid. |
| 19:09.50 | MrBlueSky | If AP classes count |
| 19:09.55 | danderson | see http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#student_eligibility |
| 19:10.17 | danderson | MrBlueSky: can you define AP? We appear to be from different cultures, and I don't know your educational system :) |
| 19:10.50 | danderson | ah, advanced placement, apparentl. |
| 19:10.52 | danderson | +y |
| 19:11.06 | MrBlueSky | They're classes that are generally accepted by US colleges as college credits |
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| 19:12.32 | danderson | MrBlueSky: Googleing arround suggests that AP may be an instance of pre-university program |
| 19:13.22 | Dark_Shikari | dunno, all the schools I applied to only accepted them as placement, not credit |
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| 19:13.44 | danderson | I'll ping lh about it to confirm. But either way, if you have no reason to delay applying to college, an acceptance letter from them is definitely valid. |
| 19:14.03 | MrBlueSky | Alright, I think I'll try to go about that as soon as possible |
| 19:14.14 | MrBlueSky | Thanks for the help, I've g2g |
| 19:14.43 | sreich | how exactly do you verify that I've been accepted or whatever. It's to a community college, but I think I *may* have thrown it out |
| 19:14.49 | sreich | looks around suspiciously |
| 19:15.22 | danderson | "You should be prepared, upon request, to provide Google with transcripts or other documentation from your accredited institution as proof of enrollment or admission status." |
| 19:15.23 | sreich | by verify, I mean verify to google, of course |
| 19:15.25 | danderson | from the FAQ |
| 19:15.32 | sreich | *cough* |
| 19:15.54 | holger_ | faxing your student id card used to be enough though |
| 19:15.54 | danderson | this sort of thing can easily be obtained from the school administration. |
| 19:16.33 | danderson | go to them, say someone wants proof that you're enrolled, they should have a form letter stating that much that they stamp with something Official |
| 19:16.54 | sreich | when could I expect to be requested for it? |
| 19:16.54 | danderson | or just request your transcript to date, that also works |
| 19:17.13 | sreich | what do you mean? |
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| 19:17.53 | danderson | ask your university/institution to print out a list of the courses you've completed and are currently enrolled in |
| 19:18.17 | danderson | it's also pretty usual for them to provide students with an Official copy of what they're doing/have done |
| 19:18.17 | sreich | ok |
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| 19:18.44 | danderson | and providing the proof happens after you've been accepted into the program |
| 19:19.05 | danderson | so, somewhere between 26th April and 24th May. |
| 19:19.40 | danderson | on the 24th Google starts sending out initial payments, but you have to provide proof of enrollment and some tax form before you get the money |
| 19:21.36 | sreich | ah okay, cool |
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| 19:22.18 | danderson | so, you have plenty of time, and for now you should focus on (a) actually being eligible (eg. signing up for college) and (b) getting accepted :) |
| 19:22.51 | sreich | already happened |
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| 19:23.06 | sreich | have been studying the code lately |
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| 19:51.35 | pitz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:51.37 | pitz | err |
| 19:51.48 | pitz | sorry :( |
| 19:52.54 | edsiper | ups |
| 19:52.55 | edsiper | :) |
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| 19:55.11 | cloder | hi |
| 19:55.33 | BarryCarlyon | makes green tea |
| 19:55.33 | edsiper | hi cloder |
| 19:55.55 | cloder | i'm trying to find out if google would consider extending the deadline for organization applications to gsoc |
| 19:56.12 | cloder | deadline was friday and we couldn't get ours done in time :( |
| 19:56.29 | danderson | nope, sorry. |
| 19:59.35 | edsiper | don't think so |
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| 20:02.27 | spectie | cloder, bad luck |
| 20:02.30 | spectie | cloder, try again next year |
| 20:02.47 | spectie | there was a mailing list post about it |
| 20:02.53 | spectie | let me see if i can find it |
| 20:03.24 | spectie | https://groups.google.com/group/google-summer-of-code-discuss/browse_thread/thread/a1a122d169998668 |
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| 20:06.29 | danderson | spectie: that post isn't quite about the same thing. That was a timezone problem with the actual deadline |
| 20:06.47 | danderson | but it's way past the deadline in just about every frame of reference now :) |
| 20:07.08 | spectie | yeah |
| 20:07.09 | spectie | :) |
| 20:07.14 | anth | unless you're moving really, really, really fast. :-) |
| 20:07.33 | danderson | which you're not, since we haven't yet announced our warp drive project. |
| 20:07.40 | spectie | coming soon! |
| 20:08.30 | danderson | well, soon is around 200 years |
| 20:08.58 | danderson | we sent the prototype out for a couple of days, but used the wrong clock to determine which "a couple of days" we meant... |
| 20:09.15 | spectie | haha |
| 20:09.28 | cronco | :)) |
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| 20:20.18 | edsiper | cloder, what's your org ? |
| 20:20.27 | cloder | rapid7 |
| 20:20.34 | cloder | thanks for the info btw guys |
| 20:20.52 | cloder | metasploit applied last two years running and didn't get accepted |
| 20:20.56 | cloder | so we'll try again next year :) |
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| 23:46.34 | MatthewWilkes | Köln is like a ghost town on a sunday night |
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| 23:47.49 | cronco | most towns are |
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| 23:48.34 | MatthewWilkes | I've never lived in one that was, and most I visit are much more active than this |
| 23:49.13 | cronco | my home town was a ghost town on mostly any given night |
| 23:49.33 | cronco | even on friday and saturday |
| 23:52.02 | MatthewWilkes | What town's that? (Need to make sure I avoid!) |
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