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16:46.08 | voila | hello all |
16:52.07 | voila | can any one tell me , how to apply in gsoc in nutshell , i have read "how to apply for gsoc on web" but , here can any one help me out . |
16:53.26 | summatusmentis | first you have to wait for the next GSoC to be announced, and for the list of organizations to be put up |
16:53.50 | summatusmentis | essentially what you do is you write-up a proposal suggesting something you want to work on within the context of an open source project |
16:53.58 | Ivanovic | how to apply: get to know the org you want to apply with |
16:54.11 | Ivanovic | after this: get to know the org you want to apply with |
16:54.23 | Ivanovic | and after the step above: get to know the org you want to apply with |
16:54.24 | summatusmentis | the open source project then decides which proposals they like, and chooses them based on how many slots they are allocated |
16:54.30 | Ivanovic | (this includes that the org should know you, too ;) ) |
16:54.40 | Ivanovic | with other words: communicate with the open source devs!!! |
16:54.53 | summatusmentis | the best way to get your proposal accepted is to do what Ivanovic is saying, spend some time with your org, submit bug patches, get to know them |
16:55.02 | summatusmentis | essentially, convince them you're the person they want to be working with |
16:55.23 | Ivanovic | show the devs of the project two things: |
16:55.28 | Ivanovic | 1) you are able to deliver work |
16:55.42 | voila | devs ? |
16:55.56 | summatusmentis | developers |
16:55.58 | Ivanovic | 2) you can be talked to and are able to argument about points (as well as accept criticism) |
16:56.01 | voila | h ok |
16:56.08 | voila | oh ok |
16:56.11 | voila | getting |
16:56.41 | Ivanovic | in general it is always a good idea to use the "product" the org works on |
16:56.48 | Ivanovic | then you can have a look at some things |
16:56.55 | Ivanovic | one general thing is reporting bugs |
16:57.06 | voila | hmm |
16:57.14 | Ivanovic | the 2nd part is looking at fixing bugs and/or submitting smaller features that improve the program |
16:57.31 | voila | hm |
16:57.55 | Ivanovic | and while doing so don't forget to communicate with the org |
16:58.09 | Ivanovic | yes, they *want* to be asked questions if something is not clear |
16:58.15 | voila | ok ok |
16:58.28 | Ivanovic | they will point you to the right places where to look for things if you just ask nicely |
16:58.29 | voila | getting |
16:59.30 | Ivanovic | and try to be a little patient since in general most developers have some normal job and the likes which results in the open source work mainly being a hobby |
16:59.52 | voila | Ivanovic: sure |
17:00.13 | Ivanovic | so it can take some time until you get a reply (as in "don't join the irc chan, ask a question and leave 3mins later with some 'man, why don't you react?!?' sentence) |
17:00.55 | voila | okies |
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17:02.22 | voila | Ivanovic: so what should i do now , i mean should i wait for the list of organisations updated on web by google ? or whats your suggestion for me |
17:02.41 | Ivanovic | in general you can already have a look at the existing list |
17:03.01 | Ivanovic | in general many orgs that participated in SoC will try to get in the next time |
17:03.09 | voila | ya , i have seen many organisation like MOZILLA , gdb |
17:03.15 | voila | oh ok |
17:03.20 | Ivanovic | if you find some org that is interesting for you, talk to them and ask if they plan to participate again |
17:03.31 | voila | ok , |
17:03.45 | Ivanovic | you can and should already get to know the org and the people you would be working with if accepted |
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17:04.03 | ea_suter | Ivanovic, what if I'd like to propose an entirely new project? |
17:04.14 | Ivanovic | once the list or orgs that participate is publised (it will still take a whole while!) you should work on creating a proposal |
17:04.32 | Ivanovic | ea_suter: then you should talk to the people doing the project and ask them if they want to get into SoC |
17:04.33 | voila | Ivanovic: last thing , what tips you will give me , to increase my chances to get accepted by org |
17:04.52 | Ivanovic | voila: communicate with the org, communicate with the org and communicate with the org |
17:05.05 | Ivanovic | that are the three most important hints i can give you |
17:05.27 | voila | Ivanovic: ok , thanks a lot , for you so much help for me , i m thankful |
17:05.31 | Ivanovic | once you have a proposal ask if something is missing or unclear |
17:06.40 | ea_suter | I can't talk to the people doing the project because it doesn't exit. I'd like to suggest an open source app that doesn't exist yet |
17:06.59 | Ivanovic | then i can already tell you: the project is likely not to be accepted! |
17:07.21 | ea_suter | I see... |
17:07.53 | voila | thanks Ivanovic now i m starting , see u laters |
17:07.54 | Ivanovic | that is google itself hosts some students which do "special projects", but, uhm, it is very unlikely to get into this |
17:08.02 | Ivanovic | voila: you're welcome |
17:08.31 | Ivanovic | ea_suter: in general the host organisations google accepts do have "well known" and (in the respective area) relevant projects |
17:09.24 | ea_suter | alright |
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17:09.57 | ea_suter | well maybe some other time once it is off the ground :) |
17:10.44 | Ivanovic | ea_suter: though regarding the project it depends |
17:11.03 | Ivanovic | sometimes some smaller stuff can eg be done as part of a huge umbrella org like gnu |
17:11.24 | araujo | hopes to mentor for a few orgs. this year |
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17:17.33 | voila | hey well , suppose i have proposal like i have find a bug in the application , then it is accpetable by org ? talking in refence to gsoc , |
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17:38.13 | ea_suter | Ivanovic, my idea is to write an opensource and multi-platform clone of the program 'Papers' |
17:39.08 | ea_suter | it is really useful for managing scientific papers, but it is only for the Mac and is closed source |
17:39.29 | ea_suter | yeah, I know, it isn't original. But it would still be very useful |
17:39.30 | Ivanovic | sounds a little big as soc project |
17:39.46 | ea_suter | Hmm... |
17:40.16 | jmb | what does it offer over jabref, ooi? |
17:40.58 | Ivanovic | there seem to be several projects for reference management |
17:41.16 | Ivanovic | cf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_reference_management_software |
17:42.00 | ea_suter | yeah |
17:44.05 | ea_suter | well then it would seem like a NIH project indeed... |
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17:49.47 | kblin | ea_suter: I've written such a tool for a university course once.. it'd support both OOo and MS Office... |
17:49.54 | kblin | it's less fun than it sounds |
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17:51.15 | ea_suter | yeah I can imagine |
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17:52.00 | ea_suter | I also just wanted to find myself a project that involved writing a good multiplatform program |
17:52.08 | ea_suter | and cut my teeth on C++ and Qt |
17:52.09 | ea_suter | ;( |
17:52.11 | ea_suter | ;) |
17:52.34 | kblin | well, you can still do it, of course |
17:52.52 | kblin | reinventing the wheel to see how it's done is an acceptable learning method |
17:53.51 | kblin | it's writing the plugins for the office software that's the real boring tedious work |
17:55.05 | kblin | because we had to support both openoffice and ms office, we ended up using a network protocol, and I ended up on the team that got to write the client code for ms office in VBA |
17:57.38 | VDVsx | ea_suter, hey :9 |
17:57.45 | VDVsx | *:) |
18:00.29 | ea_suter | hi valerio :) |
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18:02.45 | VDVsx | ea_suter, applying for GSoC this year ? (if google run the prog, of course) :) |
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18:41.33 | ea_suter | VDVsx, not sure yet. |
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18:44.16 | VDVsx | ea_suter, it's a very good experience ;) |
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19:13.11 | ea_suter | yeah I can imagine, given the projects you've worked on in GSoC :). I'm trying to find something that also won't overlap too much with the next semester. The project I thought about would probably be too big for GSoC like others here have suggested |
19:14.18 | thebolt | evening |
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23:56.27 | Lennie | !next |
23:56.27 | socinfo | "next" is Students can now submit code samples, see http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09code |
23:56.32 | Lennie | lies :P |