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12:54.48kblinman, my EE skills are rusty
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16:46.08voilahello all
16:52.07voilacan any one tell me , how to apply in gsoc in nutshell , i have read "how to apply for gsoc on web" but , here can any one help me out .
16:53.26summatusmentisfirst you have to wait for the next GSoC to be announced, and for the list of organizations to be put up
16:53.50summatusmentisessentially what you do is you write-up a proposal suggesting something you want to work on within the context of an open source project
16:53.58Ivanovichow to apply: get to know the org you want to apply with
16:54.11Ivanovicafter this: get to know the org you want to apply with
16:54.23Ivanovicand after the step above: get to know the org you want to apply with
16:54.24summatusmentisthe open source project then decides which proposals they like, and chooses them based on how many slots they are allocated
16:54.30Ivanovic(this includes that the org should know you, too ;) )
16:54.40Ivanovicwith other words: communicate with the open source devs!!!
16:54.53summatusmentisthe best way to get your proposal accepted is to do what Ivanovic is saying, spend some time with your org, submit bug patches, get to know them
16:55.02summatusmentisessentially, convince them you're the person they want to be working with
16:55.23Ivanovicshow the devs of the project two things:
16:55.28Ivanovic1) you are able to deliver work
16:55.42voiladevs ?
16:55.56summatusmentisdevelopers
16:55.58Ivanovic2) you can be talked to and are able to argument about points (as well as accept criticism)
16:56.01voilah ok
16:56.08voilaoh ok
16:56.11voilagetting
16:56.41Ivanovicin general it is always a good idea to use the "product" the org works on
16:56.48Ivanovicthen you can have a look at some things
16:56.55Ivanovicone general thing is reporting bugs
16:57.06voilahmm
16:57.14Ivanovicthe 2nd part is looking at fixing bugs and/or submitting smaller features that improve the program
16:57.31voilahm
16:57.55Ivanovicand while doing so don't forget to communicate with the org
16:58.09Ivanovicyes, they *want* to be asked questions if something is not clear
16:58.15voilaok ok
16:58.28Ivanovicthey will point you to the right places where to look for things if you just ask nicely
16:58.29voilagetting
16:59.30Ivanovicand try to be a little patient since in general most developers have some normal job and the likes which results in the open source work mainly being a hobby
16:59.52voilaIvanovic: sure
17:00.13Ivanovicso it can take some time until you get a reply (as in "don't join the irc chan, ask a question and leave 3mins later with some 'man, why don't you react?!?' sentence)
17:00.55voilaokies
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17:02.22voilaIvanovic: so what should i do now , i mean should i wait for the list of organisations updated on web by google ? or whats your suggestion for me
17:02.41Ivanovicin general you can already have a look at the existing list
17:03.01Ivanovicin general many orgs that participated in SoC will try to get in the next time
17:03.09voilaya , i have seen  many organisation like MOZILLA , gdb
17:03.15voilaoh ok
17:03.20Ivanovicif you find some org that is interesting for you, talk to them and ask if they plan to participate again
17:03.31voilaok ,
17:03.45Ivanovicyou can and should already get to know the org and the people you would be working with if accepted
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17:04.03ea_suterIvanovic, what if I'd like to propose an entirely new project?
17:04.14Ivanoviconce the list or orgs that participate is publised (it will still take a whole while!) you should work on creating a proposal
17:04.32Ivanovicea_suter: then you should talk to the people doing the project and ask them if they want to get into SoC
17:04.33voilaIvanovic: last thing , what tips you will give me , to increase my chances to get accepted by org
17:04.52Ivanovicvoila: communicate with the org, communicate with the org and communicate with the org
17:05.05Ivanovicthat are the three most important hints i can give you
17:05.27voilaIvanovic: ok , thanks a lot , for you so much help for me , i m thankful
17:05.31Ivanoviconce you have a proposal ask if something is missing or unclear
17:06.40ea_suterI can't talk to the people doing the project because it doesn't exit. I'd like to suggest an open source app that doesn't exist yet
17:06.59Ivanovicthen i can already tell you: the project is likely not to be accepted!
17:07.21ea_suterI see...
17:07.53voilathanks Ivanovic  now i m starting , see u laters
17:07.54Ivanovicthat is google itself hosts some students which do "special projects", but, uhm, it is very unlikely to get into this
17:08.02Ivanovicvoila: you're welcome
17:08.31Ivanovicea_suter: in general the host organisations google accepts do have "well known" and (in the respective area) relevant projects
17:09.24ea_suteralright
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17:09.57ea_suterwell maybe some other time once it is off the ground :)
17:10.44Ivanovicea_suter: though regarding the project it depends
17:11.03Ivanovicsometimes some smaller stuff can eg be done as part of a huge umbrella org like gnu
17:11.24araujohopes to mentor for a few orgs. this year
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17:17.33voilahey well , suppose i have proposal like i have find a bug in the application , then it is accpetable by org ? talking in refence to gsoc ,
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17:38.13ea_suterIvanovic, my idea is to write an opensource and multi-platform clone of the program 'Papers'
17:39.08ea_suterit is really useful for managing scientific papers, but it is only for the Mac and is closed source
17:39.29ea_suteryeah, I know, it isn't original. But it would still be very useful
17:39.30Ivanovicsounds a little big as soc project
17:39.46ea_suterHmm...
17:40.16jmbwhat does it offer over jabref, ooi?
17:40.58Ivanovicthere seem to be several projects for reference management
17:41.16Ivanoviccf http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_reference_management_software
17:42.00ea_suteryeah
17:44.05ea_suterwell then it would seem like a NIH project indeed...
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17:49.47kblinea_suter: I've written such a tool for a university course once.. it'd support both OOo and MS Office...
17:49.54kblinit's less fun than it sounds
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17:51.15ea_suteryeah I can imagine
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17:52.00ea_suterI also just wanted to find myself a project that involved writing a good multiplatform program
17:52.08ea_suterand cut my teeth on C++ and Qt
17:52.09ea_suter;(
17:52.11ea_suter;)
17:52.34kblinwell, you can still do it, of course
17:52.52kblinreinventing the wheel to see how it's done is an acceptable learning method
17:53.51kblinit's writing the plugins for the office software that's the real boring tedious work
17:55.05kblinbecause we had to support both openoffice and ms office, we ended up using a network protocol, and I ended up on the team that got to write the client code for ms office in VBA
17:57.38VDVsxea_suter, hey :9
17:57.45VDVsx*:)
18:00.29ea_suterhi valerio :)
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18:02.45VDVsxea_suter, applying for GSoC this year ? (if google run the prog, of course) :)
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18:41.33ea_suterVDVsx, not sure yet.
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18:44.16VDVsxea_suter, it's a very good experience ;)
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19:13.11ea_suteryeah I can imagine, given the projects you've worked on in GSoC :). I'm trying to find something that also won't overlap too much with the next semester. The project I thought about would probably be too big for GSoC like others here have suggested
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23:56.27Lennie!next
23:56.27socinfo"next" is Students can now submit code samples, see http://tinyurl.com/gsoc09code
23:56.32Lennielies :P

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