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| 03:10.46 | liu | Hi, all |
| 03:10.46 | liu | Can we access the ACM digital library with the student ACM membership? |
| 03:10.46 | liu | I remember it's said in the emailing-list that we can't, right? |
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| 04:05.35 | Upthorn | I seem to be able to |
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| 08:02.56 | kblin | ah, excellent |
| 08:03.50 | kblin | just identified the two motors of his robot that run most similar |
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| 08:10.32 | Landon | yay for rain, boo for mosquitoes |
| 08:10.46 | Landon | boo for broken window screens, yay for insect repellent |
| 08:11.04 | clever | make up your mind! |
| 08:11.34 | Landon | ? my mind is made up :P |
| 08:12.11 | thebolt | hi kblin et al |
| 08:16.19 | kblin | hi thebolt |
| 08:20.11 | thebolt | what's up? |
| 08:21.08 | kblin | I'd like to work on my lego mindstorms robot, but I'm a good little student, so I'm working on my m.sc talk instead |
| 08:21.16 | thebolt | hehe |
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| 08:22.55 | clever | ive thought of working with those smart lego 'bricks', but i'm likely to get odd looks from my dad for using a 'kids toy' |
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| 08:23.28 | kblin | clever: that's why moving out of your parent's basement is a good thing :) |
| 08:23.58 | clever | but then i have to get a job and start showering on a regular basis! |
| 08:24.06 | clever | and then i wont have time to work on those lego bricks:P |
| 08:24.13 | kblin | there's always something |
| 08:25.02 | kblin | dunno, I'm working on building a robot that can vacuum the flat :) |
| 08:25.23 | kblin | or at least the hard-to-reach parts like under the bed |
| 08:26.14 | kblin | of course it's still a toy, but if I bought a roomba to do the same thing, it'd be a toy as well |
| 08:26.26 | clever | my grandma has something like that |
| 08:26.34 | clever | but its more of a retard bot |
| 08:26.49 | clever | it cant map the room and find the optimal path to get everything |
| 08:27.05 | clever | it just backs and turns whenever it hits anything |
| 08:27.19 | clever | the turning is done within the gearbox, reverse allways turns |
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| 08:29.13 | kblin | well, my last try failed due to badly aligned motors.. it kind of sucks if you can't drive straight if you turn two motors at the same power |
| 08:29.33 | kblin | but I think I found two that should work this morning |
| 08:30.02 | kblin | I also wish the nxt brick could control 4 motors instead of 3 |
| 08:31.12 | kblin | I'm tempted to get the lego technic power bulldozer (with IR controlled motors) and an IR emitter brick to work around this |
| 08:31.51 | scorche|sh | kblin: talk to danderson if you are into that ;) |
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| 08:31.57 | clever | sounds like a normal micro controler would allmost be simpler |
| 08:32.19 | clever | though that wont be sealed and dirt proof |
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| 08:58.54 | thebolt | kblin: feedback control :) |
| 09:00.05 | kblin | thebolt: I don't have a gyro-sensor |
| 09:01.07 | thebolt | kblin: pretty simple to do rotation-sensors on the wheels and adjust power so they turn the same rate |
| 09:04.01 | kblin | there are rotation sensors in the motors, didn't look at the readout yet |
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| 09:04.20 | kblin | but as I said, I think I found two that react pretty similar |
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| 09:12.43 | Landon | kind of wants to watch The Mist atm |
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| 09:51.00 | kblin | wth |
| 09:51.19 | kblin | someone just sent me a 20 meg bmp file.. |
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| 09:51.32 | kblin | geez, whatever happened to compressing pictures? |
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| 09:54.01 | kblin | and when will people realize that email is no good data transmission protocol? |
| 09:54.52 | bobbens | think of those nanoseconds he saved you in loading the image (just don't think of the extra seconds it took for you to download it) |
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| 10:00.29 | thebolt | bobbens: probably didn't save anything as it took longer to read the larger image from IO |
| 10:01.19 | bobbens | depends on the compression |
| 10:01.23 | bobbens | but you do have a point |
| 10:03.45 | Landon | I would guess that all but the lowest jpeg compression would do the trick |
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| 10:31.10 | Landon | almost breakfast time! |
| 10:31.26 | aghisla | lunchtime here :P |
| 10:31.32 | jbilcke | yeah |
| 10:31.33 | aghisla | see ya |
| 10:31.35 | ukai | dinner time :p |
| 10:31.36 | Landon | 5:30 :P |
| 10:31.38 | Landon | sun isnt quite up yet |
| 10:31.49 | aghisla | 12.30 and sun is shining |
| 10:31.59 | Landon | bacon is sounding good atm |
| 10:32.07 | Landon | but watchign dr who and I dont want to take my eyes away from the screen |
| 10:32.08 | Landon | :P |
| 10:32.08 | jbilcke | 27°c here |
| 10:32.21 | Landon | 64F here! |
| 10:32.22 | Landon | surprisingly low |
| 10:32.23 | Landon | :D |
| 10:32.33 | aghisla | ~25 C |
| 10:32.44 | lifeeth | it is 41 C here :) |
| 10:33.04 | lifeeth | at 4 PM -- /me just woke up :| |
| 10:33.08 | jbilcke | 41 C ??? |
| 10:33.20 | lifeeth | Oh yeah.. India :) |
| 10:33.32 | jbilcke | I see.. |
| 10:33.43 | Landon | yeah I'll probably do a token bit of work and then sleep until 4 |
| 10:33.57 | Landon | sleep while its toasty, stay up and work while it's hot |
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| 10:35.14 | thebolt | ukai: agree.. 10 minutes, then dinner :) |
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| 10:51.12 | Landon | wow where does the time go |
| 10:51.19 | Landon | seems like it was 5:04 when I last checked the clock |
| 10:51.30 | Landon | my sleep schedule is officially Srewed |
| 10:51.33 | Landon | Screwed, even |
| 10:52.44 | Landon | oh lookit that |
| 10:52.47 | Landon | its bright outside |
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| 12:02.50 | Landon | and now its 7 |
| 12:02.51 | Landon | :\ |
| 12:03.03 | Landon | today is not working like I want it to! |
| 12:03.05 | Landon | where's my time machine! |
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| 12:06.33 | lifeeth | Landon, on your bed |
| 12:06.49 | Landon | doesn't go the right way |
| 12:06.53 | Landon | malfunctional or something |
| 12:06.59 | Landon | and usually the jumps are larger than I'd like |
| 12:07.01 | Landon | hm |
| 12:07.22 | lifeeth | Try adding a couple of vodka shots to it |
| 12:07.36 | Landon | I think that'd just work as a bit of a multiplier :\ |
| 12:07.38 | Landon | still no good |
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| 12:10.19 | lifeeth | I have heard logging off the IRC does wonders |
| 12:10.32 | Landon | heh thats not the part keeping me awake |
| 12:10.36 | Landon | just topped off halfa season of dr who |
| 12:10.37 | Landon | :) |
| 12:10.40 | Landon | well |
| 12:10.44 | Landon | in 15 minutes I'll be don |
| 12:10.47 | Landon | and then ingest some bacona |
| 12:10.58 | Landon | nd get in the easy chair to see if I can get my malfunctioning time machine to work |
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| 12:36.37 | Landon | most pathetic bacon I've ever seen, hopefully it looks better after its cooked |
| 12:40.47 | smtms | this is crisis-struck bacon |
| 12:41.55 | Landon | seriously |
| 12:42.03 | Landon | there was almost no grease in the pan from 4 strips of this |
| 12:42.09 | Landon | last time I buy the generic bbrand :P |
| 12:42.35 | Landon | bacon grease is crucial to survival! I mean, what else will I fry my eggs in |
| 12:43.05 | omniter | i fry mine in vegetable oil |
| 12:43.28 | Landon | sounds too healthy |
| 12:43.40 | Landon | :P |
| 12:43.50 | omniter | =\ |
| 12:43.56 | omniter | my mom says you're a bad man |
| 12:44.03 | Landon | o.O |
| 12:44.11 | omniter | hides |
| 12:44.28 | Landon | is that guy that pours water straight into the pan after cooking too >.> |
| 12:44.36 | Landon | because its fun to watch |
| 12:44.37 | Landon | :D |
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| 12:59.45 | BCarlyon|Office | OMG I R MELTING IN THIS HEAT! |
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| 13:00.13 | smtms | turn off your heat-generating computer |
| 13:00.37 | BCarlyon|Office | But then I can't code. |
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| 13:03.23 | aghisla | hi BCarlyon|Office |
| 13:03.47 | aghisla | maybe is not a good idea to put the kettle on and make tea |
| 13:04.04 | aghisla | :D |
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| 13:51.43 | thebolt | hey mdc_mobile |
| 13:52.21 | mdc_mobile | thebolt: hello! |
| 13:52.27 | mdc_mobile | How are things with you? :) |
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| 13:53.20 | thebolt | mdc_mobile: its great and its very down at the same time.. currently packing up my taiwan life to go back to sweden (friday morning local time) |
| 13:53.23 | thebolt | and you? |
| 13:54.55 | mdc_mobile | thebolt: I'm doing well. It's hard to believe it's almost midterm in GSoC already, though since it is our 4th year, we're on schedule :) |
| 13:55.23 | mdc_mobile | I'm on the road in Baltimore, returning to Boston later today. |
| 13:55.28 | thebolt | Nice :) |
| 13:55.44 | mdc_mobile | How long have you been in Taiwan? |
| 13:55.51 | thebolt | i have no idea how CS is doing, haven't heard anything (barely talked to the people still involved) |
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| 13:55.55 | thebolt | since August |
| 13:56.32 | mdc_mobile | That's quite a while :) |
| 13:57.14 | mdc_mobile | thebolt: http://etherboot.org/wiki/soc/2009/start |
| 13:57.22 | mdc_mobile | That's our group for this year :) |
| 13:57.54 | mdc_mobile | It looks like we will have network booting over wireless merged this summer :) |
| 13:58.03 | thebolt | :) |
| 13:58.15 | mdc_mobile | I'm very pleased with our students. |
| 13:58.25 | thebolt | and yes, since august is quite a while.. |
| 13:58.30 | mdc_mobile | feels a little like a proud parent :) |
| 13:58.40 | thebolt | but also way too short ;) |
| 13:58.41 | thebolt | hehe |
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| 13:58.54 | mdc_mobile | Yes, when you like where you are it is hard to leave :) |
| 13:59.31 | thebolt | well, i'm pretty sure i will come back, one way or another, sooner or later (preferably sooner), for a shorter or longer time ;) |
| 13:59.32 | mdc_mobile | The world is so much more connected now. I regularly Skype with students and other mentors, and it is great for staying in touch and debugging. |
| 13:59.48 | mdc_mobile | thebolt: sounds like you found someone special :) |
| 14:01.00 | thebolt | mdc_mobile: haha, actually i thought i did (but it didn't work out, and it wasn't on taiwan which made it even more complicated).. ;) |
| 14:01.25 | thebolt | or well, in a way you could say that i have.. i have found alot of other sides of myself i didn't know about.. and i like the myself i found ;) |
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| 14:01.39 | mdc_mobile | thebolt: excellent :) |
| 14:02.41 | mdc_mobile | The journey to know oneself is one that we all take, and well worth the effort :) |
| 14:03.05 | thebolt | yea, but damn its painful and lots of effort at times.. |
| 14:03.10 | kblin | hey mdc_mobile |
| 14:03.17 | thebolt | hi again kblin |
| 14:03.19 | mdc_mobile | I think one of the key things that we have done to make GSoC more effective for us and our students |
| 14:03.30 | mdc_mobile | h! kblin! |
| 14:04.11 | mdc_mobile | is instead of treating GSoC as a single 12 week project |
| 14:04.25 | mdc_mobile | to treat it as 12 one-week sub-projects. |
| 14:04.30 | kblin | hmm |
| 14:04.53 | kblin | if that were the case, I'd have failed my student already |
| 14:05.07 | mdc_mobile | We require our students to plan, and we meet with them every week (individually) on IRC to see how they are doing |
| 14:05.17 | mdc_mobile | and help them to stay on plan, or modify their plan. |
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| 14:05.43 | mdc_mobile | We also require journals (like this one: |
| 14:05.44 | mdc_mobile | http://etherboot.org/wiki/soc/2009/oremanj/journal/start |
| 14:05.50 | mdc_mobile | ) |
| 14:06.01 | mdc_mobile | Which helps us keep track of their progress. |
| 14:06.19 | mdc_mobile | And of course their git repositories have to be updated regularly. |
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| 14:06.41 | kblin | well, I spent a bit less time than intended with my student, which is partly due to the fact that I managed to delay my thesis by a month by dislocating my elbow |
| 14:07.13 | kblin | but so far he seems to require a bit more kicking to communicate his problems than I'd like.. though that is improving |
| 14:09.04 | mdc_mobile | Yes, mentoring requires quite a bit of effort, and yet |
| 14:09.30 | mdc_mobile | we have found the rewards for the effort are great and lasting. |
| 14:10.16 | mdc_mobile | It has changed us as mentors and our project, since creating the infrastructure required to effectively host students improves our project infrastructure in general. |
| 14:11.12 | mdc_mobile | thebolt: I wish you a good journey back to Sweden :) |
| 14:11.19 | thebolt | mdc_mobile: thanks :) |
| 14:11.30 | mdc_mobile | ( and in general, as you make your way through life :) ) |
| 14:11.33 | ojwb | seems to have it easy this year |
| 14:11.44 | mdc_mobile | ojwb: it's nice when that happens :) |
| 14:11.46 | ojwb | just need to keep up with my student's progress... |
| 14:11.48 | ojwb | yeah |
| 14:12.26 | mdc_mobile | We have 5 students this year, and as always, some are more productive and communicative than others, but they are all making progress. |
| 14:12.29 | aghisla | nice to read all this :) |
| 14:12.41 | aghisla | really. this is community |
| 14:12.44 | mdc_mobile | aghisla: hello :) |
| 14:12.54 | aghisla | hello mdc_mobile |
| 14:12.59 | mdc_mobile | yes, it is -- I really enjoy the mentor summits |
| 14:13.25 | mdc_mobile | Being with so many people who care about FOSS and mentoring is a rare and inspiring time :) |
| 14:13.27 | ojwb | I seem to have a triple booking looming for that weekend this year |
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| 14:13.47 | kblin | mdc_mobile: yeah, well, probably the teething pains of making my one-man-show sub-project a multi-developer thing |
| 14:13.47 | mdc_mobile | I think late October was mentioned. |
| 14:13.56 | ojwb | weekend of 24th |
| 14:14.27 | mdc_mobile | kblin: Yes, having at least one other person to help with things is very good. |
| 14:14.33 | mdc_mobile | We are lucky this way. |
| 14:15.04 | mdc_mobile | We have attracted some folks who enjoy working with us, and who hang out on #etherboot a lot and answer questions. |
| 14:15.44 | kblin | I'm hoping my student stays around, I sort of doubt it.. but the three other students we have seem to be doing great |
| 14:15.45 | mdc_mobile | One fellow in particular has been really great -- he couldn't do GSoC because of military obligations, but is doing work and helping people anyway. |
| 14:16.38 | mdc_mobile | kblin: that's great. I wish success for every student, but it's not something that is realistic. |
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| 14:17.13 | ojwb | we have 3 out of 4 still involved from last year |
| 14:17.20 | ojwb | two are mentoring this year |
| 14:17.26 | mdc_mobile | I strive to do my best as a mentor, and we are very careful in evaluating students for selections (project plans, code samples, IRC interview, real-time programming task, discussion) |
| 14:17.29 | kblin | wow, that's a turn-over |
| 14:17.33 | ojwb | will be interested to see how that works out |
| 14:17.54 | mdc_mobile | ojwb: One of our students from last year is mentoring this year as well :) |
| 14:18.00 | mdc_mobile | He's doing a great job. :) |
| 14:18.26 | kblin | mdc_mobile: this year taught me many things about mentoring I didn;t learn last year |
| 14:18.45 | kblin | so I learnt things no matter what |
| 14:18.48 | mdc_mobile | It makes my life so much easier to have other mentors helping with the weekly meetings and reviewing journals and project plans :) |
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| 14:19.05 | mdc_mobile | kblin: Yes, the learning is really nice, year to year. :) |
| 14:19.13 | kblin | yeah, WF is a tad small to do that efficiently |
| 14:19.55 | mdc_mobile | kblin: yes, it's different for us small orgs :) |
| 14:21.05 | mdc_mobile | But setting up or wiki infrastructure for each student ( with Journal, git repository, notes, Project Plan, and Notes sections ) |
| 14:21.38 | mdc_mobile | and requiring our students to keep those pages up to date (and making sure they understand what our expectations of them are at interview time) |
| 14:21.55 | mdc_mobile | has proven to be very helpful. we can track their progress without |
| 14:22.01 | mdc_mobile | bugging them all the time. |
| 14:22.37 | mdc_mobile | And the once-a-week irc meetings with mentors give us a time to review those pages, and it becomes really pretty evident who is on track and who is not :) |
| 14:22.58 | mdc_mobile | It is hard to drop a student, but if the evidence is clear, it is easier. |
| 14:23.27 | mdc_mobile | It's never pleasant to give bad news, but sometimes it is correct. |
| 14:24.13 | mdc_mobile | well it's breakfast time here in Baltimore :) |
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| 15:09.06 | thebolt | hi webchick |
| 15:09.09 | thebolt | how do you do? |
| 15:09.15 | webchick | ahoy there, thebolt! :) |
| 15:09.19 | webchick | I'm good, how about yourself? |
| 15:10.07 | thebolt | doing pretty okay :) packing down my taiwan life for moving back to sweden (going friday).. it is a bit sad though, been here for a year and it has been great |
| 15:10.14 | thebolt | (so i am pretty sure i'll come back;) |
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