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| 14:07.45 | pH5 | hm.. gpephone/source/pic. is that folder supposed to be in the gpephone svn? |
| 14:21.43 | philippe | pH5: I would expect so. |
| 14:28.06 | pH5 | philippe: ok. I was just surprised to find 200M of photos in the source folder :) |
| 15:06.22 | philippe | pH5: to be sure we should check with florian |
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| 16:10.37 | florian | good morning |
| 16:30.04 | pH5 | hi florian |
| 16:30.22 | pH5 | are the pictures in gpephone/source/pic supposed to be there in svn? |
| 16:34.52 | florian | hrm... not really |
| 16:35.37 | florian | pH5: but its a creative idea to distribute them ;) |
| 16:36.19 | pH5 | certainly :) |
| 16:37.56 | florian | but |
| 16:37.57 | florian | - |
| 16:38.05 | florian | oopps |
| 16:38.14 | florian | his son |
| 16:39.38 | florian | Nils suggested to have an event gallery for the website so that would be a start :-) |
| 16:46.43 | pH5 | I don't know much about the advantages and disadvantages of implementing photo galleries on top of SCMs, just the fact that it is inside the source folder made me wonder. |
| 16:49.10 | florian | Gallery would do the trick as well, but its not that easy to integrate into an existing website. |
| 16:49.27 | florian | But having it under source is simply wrong. |
| 16:50.03 | florian | luckily that's easy to fix with svn :-) |
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| 18:02.59 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 18:05.14 | florian | hi philippe, hi pb_ |
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| 18:21.15 | philippe | florian: that is a lot of stuff at once... |
| 18:22.43 | florian | yeah, some things do not seem to like me anymore :-/ |
| 18:23.17 | philippe | Well I had some monotone mess yesterday... |
| 18:30.36 | florian | both svn and thunderbird behave more than nasty if you run out of disk space... and my dvd player seems to have trouble with region 6 dvds |
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| 18:36.47 | bedboi | hi there. |
| 18:37.28 | florian | hi bedboi |
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| 18:48.08 | mimecar | hi |
| 18:48.15 | florian | hi mimecar |
| 18:48.28 | mimecar | evening florian |
| 18:49.58 | hrw | hi florian |
| 18:57.23 | florian | hrw: hi |
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| 19:23.24 | CoreDump|home | btw: cheers for the GPE phone edition =) |
| 19:24.17 | mimecar | that project is real or a prototipe ? |
| 19:25.03 | CoreDump|home | It's wiki needs the "As seen on Slashdot" tag |
| 19:27.17 | florian | :-) |
| 19:28.36 | florian | mimecar: its a real project but not a ready to use thing |
| 19:29.00 | mimecar | ok |
| 19:29.06 | mimecar | I saw some images |
| 19:29.18 | ghane | are there actually any hardware suitable for GPE that is "supported" by some distribution today? |
| 19:29.37 | mimecar | what ? |
| 19:30.51 | ghane | phone-ish-pda which can be flashed with some somewhat useful linux stuff? |
| 19:30.58 | mimecar | ok |
| 19:31.11 | mimecar | there're some models of motora can run linux |
| 19:31.18 | mimecar | green phone from qt... |
| 19:31.28 | ghane | but can they run something open? |
| 19:31.35 | CoreDump|home | *cough*neo*cough* |
| 19:31.44 | mimecar | all the system open, not |
| 19:31.46 | ghane | i know motorola has some linux-phones, but they dont seem to be open |
| 19:31.49 | ghane | CoreDump|home: neo? |
| 19:32.02 | mimecar | but they can launch to the marker a full open phone |
| 19:32.10 | mimecar | some modules will be locked |
| 19:32.11 | CoreDump|home | neo1973 is likely to be a good candidate |
| 19:32.18 | hrw | osb-nrcit use curl? |
| 19:32.26 | florian | yeah... most of the HTC phones seem to be easier to make work than the motorola ones |
| 19:32.31 | CoreDump|home | ghane, openmoko.com |
| 19:32.40 | ghane | CoreDump|home: ah that one :) |
| 19:32.45 | mimecar | CoreDump|home: will be that phone release this year ? |
| 19:32.55 | ghane | I'm actually looking for a device to run GPE on |
| 19:33.06 | CoreDump|home | mimecar, the plan is to sell the device to developers beginning in march |
| 19:33.22 | mimecar | that's |
| 19:33.32 | mimecar | ghane: gpe => zaurus, famliar or palm |
| 19:33.35 | CoreDump|home | roadmap: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2007-January/001586.html |
| 19:33.53 | mimecar | the name "Openmoko" sounds very bad on spanish |
| 19:34.07 | CoreDump|home | so it does in german and english IMO =) |
| 19:34.20 | ghane | the problem seems to be that there is no devices that still are sold which are supported by familiar or is it just the device list that isnt updated? |
| 19:35.16 | ghane | the usual problem, just update the software, not the docs and homepages |
| 19:35.17 | ghane | :) |
| 19:35.24 | CoreDump|home | ghane, depending on your needs you could get a clamshell zaurus and run OZ w/ GPE |
| 19:35.42 | CoreDump|home | fam ~ oz |
| 19:35.48 | ghane | CoreDump|home: ok |
| 19:35.56 | ghane | i haven't descided what i need yet |
| 19:36.00 | CoreDump|home | =) |
| 19:36.23 | florian | ghane: The current situation is more than bad... Familiar is slooow, OZ is only for Zaurus and most supportable devices are out of production before they work properly. |
| 19:36.29 | ghane | I had a Palm V once, thought it was OK, but well, didnt really love it |
| 19:36.37 | ghane | florian: ok |
| 19:36.48 | florian | i would vote for OZ/Zaurus too |
| 19:37.17 | ghane | I have a Qtek 2020i at work, but that doesnt seem to be useful for anything, and it is slow as hell with its 520mhz xscale when running winders mobile |
| 19:37.30 | ghane | the problem is that there are no Zaurus available in sweden |
| 19:38.05 | mimecar | that's a real problem |
| 19:38.33 | CoreDump|home | not really, import one? trisoft eg ships worldwide IIRC |
| 19:38.54 | ghane | I was about to get a ipaq hx4700, they had quite nifty hardware and well supported by familiar, but think it was too big |
| 19:39.11 | ghane | ya have to look at a zaurus |
| 19:40.38 | mimecar | ghane: it's a big pda |
| 19:40.54 | mimecar | neo1973 looks very interesting |
| 19:41.59 | ghane | ya |
| 19:42.09 | mimecar | and it has a 480x640 pixels screen |
| 19:42.15 | ghane | wow |
| 19:42.15 | mimecar | ghane: where're you from ? |
| 19:42.19 | ghane | didnt know that |
| 19:42.20 | ghane | mimecar: sweden |
| 19:42.28 | mimecar | GSM/GPRS |
| 19:42.32 | mimecar | mp3 music player |
| 19:42.37 | mimecar | screen 2.8'' |
| 19:42.44 | ghane | nice |
| 19:42.46 | mimecar | 128 MB of RAM and 64 MB ROM |
| 19:42.51 | mimecar | expansion usb |
| 19:42.51 | ghane | mimecar: where are you from? |
| 19:42.54 | mimecar | spain |
| 19:42.58 | ghane | ah |
| 19:42.58 | ghane | :) |
| 19:43.06 | mimecar | around 350 $ |
| 19:43.16 | ghane | i'm considering that neo1973 |
| 19:43.37 | ghane | when it will be available |
| 19:43.54 | ghane | perhaps better than support those not-so-open manufacturor |
| 19:43.54 | ghane | s |
| 19:44.20 | florian | indeed |
| 19:44.20 | mimecar | CoreDump|home: is there a list for developers? |
| 19:44.30 | mimecar | to buy it on a near future ? |
| 19:45.14 | CoreDump|home | as I understand it, they will sell it to anyone from openmoko.org beginning in march |
| 19:45.32 | ghane | nice |
| 19:45.33 | mimecar | yes, I'm reading it |
| 19:45.40 | mimecar | will be a free phone ? |
| 19:46.03 | CoreDump|home | hell yeah =) |
| 19:46.15 | mimecar | Global Locate AGPS chip => that's a gps chip ? |
| 19:46.22 | CoreDump|home | Its firmware is build w/ OpenEmbedded |
| 19:46.40 | CoreDump|home | mimecar, yes normal GPS |
| 19:46.59 | mimecar | then, you get a good hardware and gps |
| 19:47.05 | CoreDump|home | indeed |
| 19:47.11 | mimecar | with a price similar to a zaurus |
| 19:47.51 | mimecar | CoreDump|home: me to |
| 19:48.17 | CoreDump|home | I've always wanted a completly hackable lock-free phone |
| 19:48.37 | mimecar | 2007-03-11 Phase 1: Official Developer Launch => i'll have a new gadget that month ;) |
| 19:49.14 | ghane | oh, |
| 19:49.45 | CoreDump|home | Due to unbelieveable luck I get mine Real Soon: 2007-02-11 Phase 0: Developer Preview |
| 19:50.32 | ghane | perhaps you know this, i'm not familiar with linux on phones/pda's |
| 19:50.32 | mimecar | no wifi :( |
| 19:50.44 | ghane | how is J2ME on linux-devices? |
| 19:51.06 | CoreDump|home | v2 will have WIFI |
| 19:51.19 | CoreDump|home | ghane, never tried |
| 19:51.32 | mimecar | v2 will start on september |
| 19:51.45 | ghane | ok |
| 19:52.32 | florian | ghane: i'm not sure if currently someone is working on it but it should be possible... |
| 19:53.13 | mimecar | 2007-09-11 Phase 2: Mass Market Sale, The 2nd generation OpenMoko device will also be introduced at this time. We have something special in the works, but again, you will help shape this device. |
| 19:53.37 | mimecar | then, If I understand the sentence, v2 will be release on septemeber, isn't it? |
| 19:54.05 | hrw | no |
| 19:54.08 | CoreDump|home | mimecar, I don't think so. |
| 19:54.18 | hrw | v1 will be massmarket on september |
| 19:54.31 | ghane | florian: ok thanks, well, it isnt that big problem, i just have to port my stuff to C or something in that case |
| 19:54.36 | hrw | some of v2 infos will probably be known then |
| 19:54.42 | mimecar | ok |
| 19:55.37 | mimecar | CoreDump|home: you will have it on a near future |
| 19:55.40 | mimecar | you're lucky |
| 19:56.07 | CoreDump|home | by the sounds of it, it won't be much ealier than march :\ |
| 19:58.21 | mimecar | let's port windows vista to the mobile :P |
| 20:00.12 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 20:00.14 | ghane | lol |
| 20:00.35 | mimecar | with the virus support of course |
| 20:08.41 | mimecar | can GPE2 be executed on a virtual machine ? |
| 20:08.59 | florian | sure |
| 20:10.09 | mimecar | florian: is there any device you can install on a future gpe2? |
| 20:10.47 | florian | mimecar: you mean if i have plans for any particular device? |
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| 20:10.55 | mimecar | yes |
| 20:14.22 | mimecar | florian: this screenshots about gpe2 look very good => http://www.mobilelinuxinfo.com/112/gpe-phone-edition-screenshots/ |
| 20:16.51 | florian | mimecar: not really, no time for a standalone port and its not yet ready to base a product on. |
| 20:17.00 | mimecar | ok |
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| 20:18.56 | florian | mimecar: oh nothing new, just the ones i uploaded to scap.linuxtogo.org |
| 20:19.08 | mimecar | scap server for gpe and opie are diferents now? |
| 20:21.06 | mimecar | I must go out |
| 20:21.09 | mimecar | bye... |
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| 22:52.40 | neal | florian: I have yet to successfully open a bugzilla accounton ltg.org |
| 22:52.54 | neal | no longer there. |
| 22:52.55 | neal | oh well |