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| 08:34.25 | ArjanS | some guy changed all gpe.linuxtogo.org references to gpe.handhelds.org on the hh.org wiki :S |
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| 11:27.58 | mimecar | hi |
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| 12:14.14 | florian_kc | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:16.16 | neal | morning florian. |
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| 14:45.52 | pb_ | hi florian_kc |
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| 14:57.41 | neal | florian_kc : pb_ was looking for you 12 minutes ago, if you missed it |
| 14:58.18 | pb_ | I wasn't really looking for him, just saying hello. |
| 14:58.43 | neal | oh. |
| 14:58.48 | florian_kc | neal: ok - thanks |
| 14:58.51 | florian_kc | hi pb_ |
| 14:59.30 | florian_kc | our internet connection was moved to a different physical port a few minutes ago... |
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| 16:59.22 | florian_kc | neal: i just moved the link to the screenshot gallery to the index |
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| 17:29.07 | neal | florian: Great. |
| 17:29.27 | neal | florian: It looks better on my display as the menu no longer takes two lines. |
| 17:34.37 | florian_kc | neal: right - and the menu doesn't link to a page without menu anymore. |
| 17:34.49 | neal | that's also good |
| 17:35.24 | neal | florian: Is there any reason for all the command line options that you added some months ago to gpe-calendar? |
| 17:35.44 | neal | I feel that since libeventdb is much more robust, most any application can just use libevent directly |
| 17:36.06 | neal | and for synchronization, opensync should work quite well |
| 17:36.14 | neal | I've written a new plugin which is more robust |
| 17:36.54 | neal | and as opensync can detect deleted events, we can remove the list of deleted events from the DB. |
| 17:39.21 | florian_kc | neal: i remember some funky people who started to code some syncing against some server solution based on these options (some lotus server iirc) |
| 17:39.56 | florian_kc | neal: i guess once we can sync against syncml clients and servers using opensync we can get rid of these again. |
| 17:40.15 | neal | are you using them somewhere? |
| 17:40.17 | neal | if so, where? |
| 17:41.10 | florian_kc | them == options? |
| 17:41.15 | neal | yes |
| 17:41.22 | neal | or facilities |
| 17:41.30 | neal | opensync should support syncml already |
| 17:41.32 | philippe | evening all |
| 17:41.34 | neal | at least as I understand it |
| 17:41.36 | philippe | hey neal! |
| 17:41.37 | florian_kc | not personally... |
| 17:41.40 | florian_kc | hi philippe |
| 17:41.44 | philippe | hi florian_kc |
| 17:41.50 | neal | hi philippe |
| 17:42.40 | florian_kc | neal: to some extend... the server plugin (e.g. to sync cellphones) seems to work pretty well but the client plugin (to sync against servers) is crap... |
| 17:42.49 | neal | I see. |
| 17:42.54 | neal | I haven't tried it. |
| 17:42.58 | florian_kc | neal: don't look at it to close... it makes you cry ;) |
| 17:43.08 | neal | when you say sync against servers, what do you mean? |
| 17:43.22 | florian_kc | its configured using gconf *and* a config file |
| 17:44.16 | neal | I still don't understand, sorry |
| 17:44.46 | neal | what is "it"? |
| 17:45.21 | florian_kc | neal: Funambol (scheduleworld.com runs it for example, thats a GPLed one) or some commercial ones like Lotus Domino and some SUN stuff |
| 17:45.34 | florian_kc | a "it" was the client lugin :-) |
| 17:46.00 | neal | so when you sync a GPE device against Funambol (for instance)? |
| 17:46.04 | neal | that's the broken part? |
| 17:46.12 | neal | and what protocol does that use? |
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| 17:47.21 | florian_kc | neal: You would use it as a server solution for all sorts of PIM data and sync your PC applications, a PDA or smartphone against the server. These things seem to be quite common now. |
| 17:47.29 | florian_kc | neal: SyncML |
| 17:47.43 | neal | I see. |
| 17:47.51 | neal | so using syncml against a phone is okay |
| 17:47.55 | neal | but against a server is broken |
| 17:48.01 | neal | very strange. |
| 17:48.40 | florian_kc | right... because thats provided by completely different plugins. |
| 17:49.06 | florian_kc | (that doesn't mean that i this is a good idea, imho its a pain) |
| 17:57.19 | neal | ok. |
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| 18:32.23 | philippe | neal: what is the status on GPE debian packaging? And what should I still put on my todo list? |
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| 19:47.43 | florian_kc | Last call for updates: http://www.linuxtogo.org/gowiki/GpeSvnTree |
| 19:47.49 | florian_kc | philippe |
| 19:47.52 | florian_kc | oops |
| 19:48.07 | florian_kc | I checked in the new directories. |
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| 19:54.14 | florian_kc | hi mmp |
| 19:54.20 | mmp | florian_kc: hi:) |
| 20:00.42 | philippe | florian_kc: I was already wonderingf what was going to happen there. |
| 20:01.12 | philippe | florian_kc: what do you mean with : oops checked in the new directories? |
| 20:02.18 | florian_kc | philippe: the "oops" was related to the message before :-) |
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| 20:05.36 | florian_kc | philippe: i wonder if we maybe want to move "defunct" outside of "trunk" |
| 20:06.22 | philippe | might not be too bad... |
| 20:06.49 | florian_kc | that would make the default checkouts much smaller |
| 20:07.20 | philippe | which would go easy on the bandwith, which is definitly good |
| 20:09.03 | florian_kc | right |
| 20:09.19 | philippe | and will make svn updates faster too :-) |
| 20:09.23 | florian_kc | i just changed the wiki - we have the default dirs there now too |
| 20:12.02 | philippe | looks good |
| 20:12.51 | florian_kc | time to check out a complete tree :-) |
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| 21:19.06 | mmp_ | good night:-) |
| 21:22.18 | florian | re |
| 21:35.15 | neal | philippe: The status of debian packaging |
| 21:35.23 | philippe | yep |
| 21:35.32 | neal | philippe: IMO, we should use CDBS |
| 21:35.47 | philippe | so switch all the packages to that? |
| 21:35.49 | neal | philippe: And we should package all the useful stuff |
| 21:35.59 | neal | philippe: including gpe-calendar |
| 21:36.17 | neal | philippe: If you are asking my opinion, then I think that would be a very good idea. |
| 21:36.30 | philippe | maybe we should make a list then. |
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| 21:37.04 | neal | well, gpe-calendar in the most noticible missing gpe package in debian |
| 21:37.26 | neal | gpe-todo is present and gpe-contacts |
| 21:37.37 | neal | and the very important gpe-julia |
| 21:37.42 | philippe | :-) |
| 21:38.01 | mccarthy | anyone know how to get more debugging info on boot from an ipaq? |
| 21:38.14 | mccarthy | hi all, btw |
| 21:38.24 | mccarthy | go neal beat someone until gpe-calendar is in debian! |
| 21:38.45 | philippe | Well the gtk-webcore packages are going to be better too. Svn head is building again now. |
| 21:39.06 | philippe | mccarthy: you mean more debugging than you get on the serial console? |
| 21:54.50 | mccarthy | philippe, all I get on the serial console is "Uncompressing linux...................done. booting the kernel..." |
| 21:54.54 | mccarthy | then it hangs |
| 21:54.58 | mccarthy | I used to get more |
| 21:55.05 | mccarthy | (back on my 3670) |
| 21:56.50 | mreimer | mccarthy: make sure you have "console=ttyS0" or the equivalent in your kernel command line |
| 21:57.02 | mccarthy | I have console=ttySA0 |
| 21:57.15 | mccarthy | should I change it to no A? |
| 21:57.22 | florian | that would be correct for a strongarm device... |
| 21:57.26 | florian | yes |
| 21:57.44 | mccarthy | florian, with or without the A for a 5550? |
| 21:57.53 | florian | without the A |
| 21:57.57 | mccarthy | oh |
| 21:58.03 | mccarthy | I'll try that, thanks |
| 21:59.38 | mccarthy | hmm |
| 21:59.51 | mccarthy | still nothing after "booting the kernel" |
| 22:05.51 | mccarthy | console=/dev/ttyS0 didn't help either |
| 22:06.41 | mreimer | try console=/dev/ttyS0,115200n8 |
| 22:09.26 | mreimer | and make sure you have the right options in your config for a serial console |
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| 22:12.38 | mccarthy | mreimer, don't they *have* to be right for me to be in the bootldr in the first place? (not being a smart-ass, just asking) |
| 22:13.07 | mreimer | bootldr is separate from the kernel, so no |
| 22:14.05 | florian | right, but both should default to 115200,8,N,1 |
| 22:14.20 | mccarthy | still no joy |
| 22:14.27 | mccarthy | maybe it is hanging right here ... |
| 22:14.44 | mccarthy | (before anything beyond "booting the kernel") |
| 22:15.17 | mreimer | CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE=y might help, if the kernel just doesn't have the necessary serial options |
| 22:15.18 | florian | hmm, do you boot the zImage from the rootfs? |
| 22:17.48 | mccarthy | mreimer, I just built the kernel with oe, so I have no idea even *how* to set configs... |
| 22:18.28 | mccarthy | florian, I am not sure what you mean, but I *do* get "booting boot/zImage from partition >root<" before it hangs |
| 22:18.55 | florian | mccarthy: that's what i meant |
| 22:19.00 | mccarthy | ok |
| 22:19.17 | mccarthy | oh well |
| 22:19.34 | mccarthy | I hear that mmp has built angstrom for h5000 so I will wait and grab him at some other time |
| 22:20.12 | florian | iirc koen did that too |
| 22:20.14 | mccarthy | (totally bummed that oe doesn't play nice with familiar anymore...or vice versa, whatever the flamy situation is these days) |
| 22:21.03 | mccarthy | (also totally bummed that the whole community seems splintered now ... I have almost given up and gotten a palm! yikes! ) |
| 22:21.37 | florian | mccarthy: right... the situation is everything but good :-( |
| 22:22.09 | mccarthy | maybe the FIC phone will get the troops somewhat rallied and focused again?! |
| 22:22.36 | florian | mccarthy: i guess the major source of problems is that noone seems to know how things get decided in familiar. |
| 22:22.46 | florian | i asked and was told to go away... so i did :-( |
| 22:22.58 | mccarthy | florian, odd |
| 22:23.39 | florian | indeed |
| 22:23.43 | mccarthy | it means my ipaq is difficult to keep up to date with gpe svn (is all I know) |
| 22:24.38 | philippe | mccarthy: Well soon that will be better, I just started building stuff to have some starting point to build GPE svn releases |
| 22:25.07 | mccarthy | philippe, using OE? |
| 22:25.54 | philippe | mccarthy: using OE and amstrong yes |
| 22:26.06 | mccarthy | philippe, ok. cool. |
| 22:26.16 | mccarthy | that's exactly what I *tried* to do |
| 22:26.40 | florian | i'm checking out a full gpe tree to start the cleanups |
| 22:26.47 | mccarthy | I got mmp's latest test image to boot, but it did not have networking or X so it wasn't so user friendly :) |
| 22:27.23 | florian | heh, ipaqs without x are no fun :-} |
| 22:28.02 | mccarthy | florian, and I cannot get usb networking working so without wifi I was hopeless to fix it :) |
| 22:43.09 | mccarthy | later all |
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| 23:25.36 | florian | cmarqu: ping |