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08:08.58bedboihi all
08:10.56bedboire
08:14.25bedboii can access ssh to handhelds.org btw i can't  write to cvs
08:14.31bedboiit seems i don't have permissions
08:14.44hrw|workyou checkouted anoncvs?
08:15.01bedboiah, yep
08:15.03bedboistupid me
08:18.35bedboicvs checkout: failed to create lock directory for `/cvs/gpe/base/build/tp' (/var/lock/cvs/gpe/base/build/tp/#cvs.lock): Permission denied
08:18.35bedboicvs checkout: failed to obtain dir lock in repository `/cvs/gpe/base/build/tp'
08:18.37bedboicvs [checkout aborted]: read lock failed - giving up
08:23.51rob_w-cgihi all
08:26.07bedboihi rob
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08:39.03rob_w-cgihey bedboi ,, ,fighting cvs ?!
08:39.49bedboiyep
08:39.57bedboiany clue?
08:41.40JiniDogeh? suddenly most applications do not open over their matchbox icons anymore, although they do when I call them via the commandline
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08:47.39rob_w-cgibedboi :    -> " Permission denied"
08:48.40bedboii know...so it's something wrong on cvs server?
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09:00.51JiniDogdamn it, what is that?
09:03.36rob_w-cgiJiniDog :  that is strange .. so when the app starts it doesnt show his icon , only via command line ?
09:05.14JiniDogstartup-notification shows up, but the app doesn't start
09:05.23JiniDoggpe-tetris or gpe-info for example
09:05.33JiniDogmost gpe-conf apps start, but no others
09:07.17JiniDogbefore that I added two .desktop files to activate and deactivate swap; but the problem does not disappear even when I move the files away
09:09.57JiniDoghmm, perhaps it has to do witah
09:10.01JiniDogemm
09:10.12JiniDogsuddenly they don't open anymore from the commandline
09:11.27JiniDogGtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid.
09:15.07JiniDogas root it works again
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09:17.41lardmanmorning
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09:26.07eJumbodoes touching my machine conf file do a full build. just changed my machine conf file and it is doing that!!!
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09:51.30bedboihi pb_
09:52.38bedboipb_: france gave me access. unfortunately there's still some problem
09:52.44bedboicvs checkout: failed to create lock directory for `/cvs/gpe/base/build/tp' (/var/lock/cvs/gpe/base/build/tp/#cvs.lock): Permission denied
09:52.56rob_w-cgiis it true that i need to delete or erase the buffer of a prevoius command/action  on a serial connetoin when flow/controll is on hardwre ?
09:53.13JiniDogeJumbo, perhaps you changed your working direcotry=
09:56.40eJumbono i changed eJumbo IMAGE_FSTYE="jffs2"
10:01.24JiniDogwow, playing mp3s and watching a goom visiluation is cool (on poodle)
10:03.36hrw|workJiniDog: could you join OE team as poodle maintainer then? :) we will drop poodle support in next OZ release as noone have it
10:04.52JiniDogI can
10:05.35JiniDoghowever, it's unlikely that I will flash my poodle again with a kernel (despite there comes the 2.6 one) or an image
10:05.55mickeylwhy's that?
10:06.01JiniDogIt's taking me hours to restore everything
10:06.31JiniDogAnd when I flash a new kernel, it boots again only if I flash the image too
10:07.16mickeylcrazy poodle
10:07.28mickeylwell, then you probably can't act as maintainer.
10:07.55pb_hi bedboi
10:08.08JiniDogokay, maybe I will flash sometime in the future, in the moment I'm tired of. It's not good for my internal flash; I'm doing it to often and I don't know how often the previous owner did it
10:08.11pb_hm, I wonder what is wrong there.  Are you in the proj_gpe group?
10:08.33JiniDogperhaps when I find a good way to backup my data and installation of the zaurus
10:09.17JiniDogbut there is no problem for me testing the apps that are in OE
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10:12.12bedboiwait, i log in
10:13.03bedboipb_: [ldecicco@h1 ldecicco]$ groups
10:13.03bedboildecicco cvswrite proj_gpe
10:13.09bedboiweird
10:15.49pb_that does seem weird
10:15.55pb_what are the ownerships on the directory it says it can't write to?
10:26.12bedboi[ldecicco@h1 build]$ ls -l
10:26.12bedboitotal 8
10:26.12bedboidrwxrwxr-t  2 luc cvswrite 4096 Jul  6 04:21 familiar/
10:26.12bedboidrwxrwxr-t  2 pb  users    4096 Jul  5 14:51 tp/
10:29.26bedboii'm not in that group
10:29.38bedboii'm not in users
10:39.25bedboire
10:47.36rob_w-cgithere must be a way to tell a rs232 to dump a read out buffer after i read it , right ?
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10:48.21reenoomorning
10:49.27pb_bedboi: ah, right, whoops
10:49.40pigeonhmm... how's the EU patent vote going?
10:50.17bedboipigeon: they will vote no
10:50.49pigeonit's voting right now... watching the media stream, but it doesn't mean too much for me as it keeps going thru all those amendment numbers... :\
10:50.57pigeon(i.e. i have no idea what's going on :)
10:51.17pb_bedboi: which file is that exactly?
10:51.31pb_I can't find anything in /cvs/gpe/base that's owned by users.
10:51.45bedboidrwxrwxr-t  2 pb  users    4096 Jul  5 14:51 tp/
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11:01.08JiniDoganyone knows how I can rescale a mpeg video to 312x188?
11:02.42reenooJiniDog: mencoder
11:03.06JiniDogI tried, but it didn't react to -vf size=312x188
11:03.12JiniDogsame as ffmpeg
11:03.35hrw|workJiniDog: then you do something wrong
11:04.43JiniDoghmm
11:05.26JiniDogmaybe  because they are not multipliers of 16
11:05.34XorAscale=312:188
11:07.27JiniDogyes, I did that, just wrote it wrong down here
11:07.53JiniDoghmm, the original is 624x376, 376 is no multiplier of 16 either
11:14.30JiniDogit works with mencoder and converting to mpeg1
11:15.51JiniDogcan you suggest video format that decodes fast other than mpeg2 org mpeg1?
11:17.59hrw|workIFF-ANIM5
11:18.34XorAhrw|work: :-D
11:22.35JiniDogWhen we are at suggestions, can someone recommend a file manager for the pda?
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11:31.54rob_w-cgigpe-filemanager ?
11:32.13hrw|workmc?
11:38.26__law__NOTE: package gaim-1.3.1: completed
11:38.27__law__:-)
11:38.45__law__where should i copy the *.bb and the patch?
11:42.09hrw|workinto OE bugtracker
11:42.53hrw|workh3600, h3900, simpad, jornada56x and generic "devices" script does not check for udev - rest fixed
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11:47.05hrw|workhttp://pastebin.ca/17030 - objections from machine maintainers?
12:00.20JiniDoghow can I call gpe-filemanager? ipkg lists it as installed, but I find no atching birary
12:03.47__law__http://bugs.openembedded.org/show_bug.cgi?id=134 :-)
12:04.48lardman|workJiniDog: have you ipkg-link'd it?
12:04.59lardman|workJiniDog: if you needed to of course
12:19.47JiniDogi did that; but it must have come with openzaurus because I didn't install it
12:19.59JiniDogSuddenly rotating the screen does not work anymore
12:20.06JiniDogroot@poodle:~# DISPLAY=:0 xrandr-panelapp.sh
12:20.06JiniDogxmodmap:  unable to open file '/etc/X11/xmodmap-right' for reading
12:20.06JiniDogxmodmap:  1 error encountered, aborting.
12:20.08JiniDogfunny
12:20.24pigeonthat file has been missing in familiar for a while...
12:20.48pigeonand also a few other xmodmap i think.
12:20.54pigeonbut xrandr should still work.
12:23.55JiniDogwhat would be the right xrandr command?
12:24.14pigeonxrandr -o left
12:24.15pigeonxrandr -o normal
12:24.27pigeonxrandr -o right, xrandr -o inverted
12:25.02JiniDogall that doesn't change anything
12:25.11pigeonhmm...
12:25.19JiniDogIt's quite funny what all doesn't work after restarts
12:25.36JiniDogAt the moment rebooting hangs, ntpdate sets the time, but not the date and now this
12:42.12kcallisI have been trying to install gpe-mail, but have been unsuccessful... WHen I do a ipkg install gpe-mail, it tell me no such file. When I try to do ipkg install http://familiar.handhelds.org/packages/gpe-mail/blah.ipk. it still won't come down... What am I going wrong?
12:42.24kcallisI meant what am I doing wrong?
12:56.58JiniDogperhaps you are missing a feed which provides it?
13:00.15JiniDogsolution for playing videos smoothly on poodle is to use uncompressed audio
13:01.06JiniDogbut this xrandr is strange
13:02.22pigeonpoodle?
13:03.04JiniDogyes
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13:07.47JiniDogafter login in again it works
13:08.05JiniDogslowly I start to think there is some kind of ghost in my zaurus
13:08.07florianhi all
13:08.12JiniDoghi florian
13:08.14__law__pb_, have you seen my new gaim version? are you the "maintainer" of gaim?
13:08.17JiniDoggpe-ghost?
13:08.24__law__hi florian
13:09.47JiniDogsoftware patents?
13:13.16florianyeah... or better - no software patents!
13:13.26pigeonlondon olympics?
13:13.34JiniDogyeah!
13:14.16JiniDogokay, mpeg4 with 150bps and uncompressed sound runs smoothly on poodle
13:14.35pigeonwhat's a poodle, btw?
13:14.54JiniDogSL-5600
13:15.14pigeonhmm...
13:15.45pigeonwhat player is this?
13:15.47JiniDogsad thing is that the file is 500 MB big
13:15.49JiniDoggxine
13:16.02pigeonstrongarm? mhz?
13:16.24JiniDogXSCALE PXA-250 with 400 MHz and a damned memory bug
13:16.29pigeonhmm...
13:16.58pigeoni was reasonably sure that any arm > 200mhz can do mp3 decoding very well with an integer only decoder like libmad...
13:17.14JiniDogit is possible to play mp3 and watching a goom visuliation
13:17.29JiniDoga small goom and only some fps but better than nothing
13:17.34pigeonhmm
13:17.49JiniDogof course it can play mp3, but the video is the problem
13:17.55pigeonmy 3870 does mp3 + mp4 reasonbly well, probably not something like 30fps though.
13:18.36pigeoni was dealing with some slow arm9 board which i needed to fall back to use uncompressed audio and that wasn't fun :(
13:21.19JiniDogmpeg4 runs better than mpeg2
13:22.00JiniDogxvid I mean
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13:24.02JiniDogI try xvid with mp3-audio, both with low bitrates
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13:52.41rob_w-cgipigeon : what player do you use to get 30fps ??
13:54.04JiniDoghey, that works :)
13:54.23JiniDog60 MB big video files, I can put a bunch of them on my SD
13:56.28rob_w-cgihmm so likely my videos arent 320x240 scaled or i use the wrong player ( gxine ) == ?
13:57.03XorArob_w-cgi: mplayer will output to fbdev fast enough to play 320x240x30fps with only a couple of frames dropped here and there
13:57.11XorArob_w-cgi: on 400Mhz arm
13:59.54rob_w-cgihmm so a 3970 with a pxa 250 wil ldo the same ?
14:01.11XorArob_w-cgi: I dont have an Ipaq, but I assume its not much different in fbdev speed from the zaurus
14:02.22hrw|workanyway pxa250 is slower then pxa255
14:02.45rob_w-cgiright ,, so i also would need to check the scale of the video ..  
14:03.14JiniDogrob_w-cgi, you need to make your video fitting
14:03.41JiniDogI need to rescale the videos, encode them in mpeg4 and use mp3-audio, both at low bitrates
14:04.01JiniDogYou won't have much fun with unprepared videos
14:04.38XorArob_w-cgi: http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/howto/encoding-and-playing-video-for-c7x0-devices/
14:04.47XorArob_w-cgi: thats my page about encoding videos for Z
14:05.05XorArob_w-cgi: obviously the decoding on Ipaq is different as Im using a w100 chip
14:05.28XorArob_w-cgi: and your fbdev might be the other orientation
14:06.22JiniDogdivx is doing good too
14:06.50||cwdivx is mpeg4
14:07.51JiniDogthere are different codecs
14:08.38JiniDogokay, xvid is working and mpeg4/divx is working
14:11.09JiniDogdivx seems to create less cpu-consumption
14:11.17||cwxvid is nice
14:11.52||cwdifferent codecs?  no, xvid IS a codec, an mpeg4 implementation to be specific, divx is another mpeg4 implementation
14:12.17JiniDogI meant that
14:13.12||cwmplayer's mencoder is good for re-encoding xvid too
14:13.35JiniDogdivx uses 10-20% less CPU than xvid, both from mencoder
14:13.58||cwdivx requires a non-"free" binary codec though
14:14.55hrw|work||cw: since when? ffmpeg decode divx
14:15.42||cwhrw|work: that's because its all mpeg4
14:15.53||cwffmepg also does mpeg4
14:16.18XorAxvid uses a more complex profile than divx
14:16.27||cwall mpeg4 codec's are generaly compatable
14:16.50XorA||cw: as long as they encode the same profile they should be 100% compatible
14:17.22||cwright, that's up to the person doing the encoding though
14:17.40JiniDoghmm, this time the xvid is faster
14:18.10JiniDogand i would say it looks better at the same bitrate
14:18.45XorAxvid does better tricks, but uses more cpu to decode its streams in my experience
14:18.45JiniDoghmm, no not really
14:19.15JiniDogas long at it is fluid, it is okay
14:24.05rob_w-cgiXorA : thanks for the link !
14:34.31rob_w-cgiXorA: does this method apply also to mpeg video`s?
14:35.07XorArob_w-cgi: it will do anything mplayer can play
14:35.45XorArob_w-cgi: you can feed it dvd:// to do dvds
14:36.01rob_w-cgii see , cool
14:36.32XorArob_w-cgi: my script powers are lacking to I might have screwed up the escapes, but the method is sound
14:37.01||cwyou can feed it any type of input that your mplayer install supports, including things that use the win32 codecs if you have them installed
14:42.29rob_w-cgihmm i get  File not found: 'frameno.avi'Failed to open frameno.aviNo file given
14:43.56JiniDogyou call mencoder wrong
14:44.53JiniDogkonvert is nice frontend; I won't run it because it is not complete and locks the xv-extension, but it builds the right commandline
14:50.47rob_w-cgii dont find even that konvert
14:50.49rob_w-cgitsts
14:51.16JiniDogunder gentoo "emerge konvert" :)
14:51.42JiniDogACCEPT_KEYWORDS="~x86" emerge konvert
14:51.46JiniDogto be exactly
14:52.19JiniDoghmm, again; I want to list how much money I get in and how much I spend and I want to note what for
14:52.40JiniDogcan anyone recommend a app with which I can do that good on the zaurus?
14:52.47JiniDogdespite from a text-editor
14:53.09JiniDoga table-calculation maybe, but I think the only from OE is abiword
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14:59.34pb_gnumeric?
15:00.23XorApb_: when someone gets it to compile
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15:00.52hrw|workJiniDog: I prefer "apt-get install konvert" - it is faster
15:01.37XorAhrw|work: I prefer to avoid words beginning with K
15:02.25hrw|workXorA: I do the same with "g"
15:02.54florianXorA: :-)
15:03.18XorAhrw|work: luckilly gnome and nome are pronoucned the same
15:03.46pb_XorA: what's wrong with it?  It used to build fine.
15:04.16XorApb_: cant remeber exacly, koen was trying to make it compile, I havent managed to for months, but my build machine is turned off so I cant run up the errors
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15:12.15rob_w-cgiduh a ext2 on a 1GB disk ends up in 760 MB usable .. thats hard
15:20.25gdsxrob_w-cgi: is that with or without the 5%-for-root restriction?
15:23.02rob_w-cgi??
15:23.12rob_w-cgiwhat is that ?
15:23.35hrw|workrob_w-cgi: 5% for superuser
15:24.00rob_w-cgihmm how can i check this and get rid of it ??
15:26.34floriantune2fs does this...
15:41.07rob_w-cgiok tuned it but still the same ..
15:44.49JiniDoghrw|gone, I really don't want to discuss which distribution is better, for me everyone who uses linux is a good guy and what distribution he uses is a matter of taste (or knowledge)
15:49.29rob_w-cgi~hail JiniDog
15:49.29ibotACTION bows down to JiniDog and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
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16:06.17JiniDog?
16:13.35florianbbl
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17:21.11JiniDoganyone knows, does gcc-4.0 promise performance improvments on arm?
17:21.30JiniDogor do we have to wait until gcc-4.1
17:24.17JiniDogI was so free to correct the link for the gpe-sources in the wiki
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17:34.12JiniDogCan someone give me a hint why perl-5.8.4 out of OE fails because of a missing file named miniperl?
17:38.09mickeylbecause the perl.bb is broken in OE
17:38.38mickeylthere doesn't seem to be much interest in perl, so no one fixed it yet
17:41.26JiniDogI need it for abiword
17:45.43XorAmickeyl: JiniDog its a works for me problem
17:50.45mickeylsounds like you should build it on a system where perl is not installed to debug that problem :)
18:19.31JiniDoghmm, gpe-filemanager says everytime "invalid url"
18:19.38JiniDogI must have some problems with dbus
18:23.32JiniDogor message-bus?
18:27.52JiniDogah, gnome-vfs-plugin-file was missing
18:28.03JiniDogShould be a full dependencie
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19:10.05mimecarhi peopple
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19:19.19reenoohi mimecar
19:19.21reenooevening all
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19:50.10JiniDogis it correct that gpe-login still is using memory after having started matchbox completly?
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19:53.15reenoohey pb_
19:53.24pb_reenoo: good evening
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