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| 03:48.04 | sageLin | hi |
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| 09:14.01 | Philippe | ~lart neighbours for having floorders coming to work at 7am, even on saturday. |
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| 09:56.26 | florian | hi all |
| 10:10.07 | Philippe | hello florian |
| 10:11.10 | florian | hi Philippe |
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| 10:32.10 | pb_ | ibot, botmail for koen: yes |
| 10:32.14 | pb_ | hi all |
| 10:32.29 | Philippe | hi pb_ |
| 10:32.50 | florian | hi pb_ |
| 10:32.58 | pb_ | Philippe, florian: good morning |
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| 11:17.40 | florian | bbl |
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| 11:47.22 | reenoo | afternoon |
| 11:47.29 | Philippe | hi reenoo |
| 11:48.32 | reenoo | hey Philippe |
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| 12:40.26 | pb_ | hi reenoo |
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| 12:49.02 | reenoo | hey pb_ |
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| 12:55.32 | Cwiiis | Afternoon all |
| 12:56.18 | reenoo | hi Cwiiis |
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| 13:23.06 | pb_ | hail zecke |
| 13:23.12 | zecke | hey |
| 13:23.25 | zecke | wanna make me join GPE development? |
| 13:23.40 | pb_ | if only I knew how |
| 13:25.29 | tubbie|home | hey guys I have some halluzinations :) |
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| 13:49.44 | lardman | afternoon all |
| 13:52.02 | tubbie|home | hi lardman |
| 14:21.53 | lardman | hi tubbie|home |
| 14:37.47 | Philippe | re |
| 14:46.04 | lardman | Anyone here know C ;) ? |
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| 15:38.04 | lardman | I can't get a ` either using the keyboard (which is fair enough as perhaps the keymap is broken), nor with the on-screen keyboard (which I thought was a bit odd). This is on a Zaurus C7x0 |
| 15:38.20 | lardman | Anyone have any suggestions as to how I can obtain one? |
| 15:47.07 | pb_ | What does xev report when you try to type that key? |
| 15:49.09 | lardman | I'll just download it |
| 15:53.15 | lardman | Oh, it's not in the feed |
| 15:53.42 | lardman | nor is it a package in its own right |
| 15:55.00 | lardman | Is it part of xauth? |
| 15:55.50 | pb_ | Ah, that's a bit sad. No, I don't think it is part of xauth. |
| 15:56.05 | pb_ | http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=xaux-clients&id=12613731&official=&format= |
| 15:56.07 | pb_ | try that one |
| 15:56.53 | lardman | ok |
| 15:58.10 | pb_ | might be worth filing a bug against 0.8.x and request that it be re-added. |
| 15:58.38 | reenoo | I don't think it builds against the stripped down xlibs |
| 15:58.59 | reenoo | which is why it's not in OE |
| 15:59.53 | reenoo | you can always run xev on a desktop and set DISPLAY appropriately |
| 16:01.58 | lardman | reenoo: I'm running WinXP |
| 16:02.09 | lardman | (for my sins) |
| 16:03.40 | reenoo | pb_: http://pastebin.ca/14958 |
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| 16:06.22 | koen | good afternoon all |
| 16:06.31 | Philippe | hi koen |
| 16:06.38 | koen | hey Philippe |
| 16:06.57 | lardman | ji koen |
| 16:07.02 | koen | hey lardman |
| 16:07.03 | lardman | s/ji/hi |
| 16:07.07 | koen | any exciting news? |
| 16:07.28 | lardman | It's a beautiful sunny day and I'm inside trying to write my theses...? Not that exciting really |
| 16:07.55 | lardman | and I can't spell either :) |
| 16:08.32 | lardman | pb_: I'm getting there with xev, took a while to type in the URL by hand |
| 16:09.25 | reenoo | hi koen |
| 16:11.14 | reenoo | heh |
| 16:11.20 | reenoo | http://photo.figuiere.net/photodb/rolls/20050530-guadec-party/img_1258.jpg |
| 16:12.07 | koen | florian & nils hiding behind jeff |
| 16:12.24 | Philippe | and Matthew trying to get on the picture on the right |
| 16:14.02 | lardman | faces to go with names... |
| 16:15.07 | koen | 10x10 for GPE! |
| 16:18.38 | lardman | pb_: the xev file in that ipk isn't actually a binary |
| 16:18.52 | pb_ | lardman: oh dear. what is it? |
| 16:19.00 | koen | lardman: you can use the xev from your workstation too if you want |
| 16:19.28 | lardman | I tell a lie, looks like I tried to run the menu entry |
| 16:19.30 | lardman | doh |
| 16:19.39 | pb_ | ! |
| 16:20.43 | lardman | Okay, it's running, what do I do with it? |
| 16:21.23 | pb_ | Press the offending key and see what it says. |
| 16:21.30 | lardman | Title "Event Tester" and a black box in the top LH corner, but it does nothing |
| 16:21.48 | lardman | ah, it spits it out to the term? |
| 16:23.03 | lardman | it says (amongst other things) keycode 8 (keysym 0x60, grave) |
| 16:24.18 | pb_ | that sounds about right. |
| 16:24.20 | lardman | and it's printed one out too |
| 16:24.28 | pb_ | but you don't get any input in, say, gpe-edit? |
| 16:24.45 | lardman | I don't in the Xterm, hang on I'll try gpe-edit |
| 16:25.38 | lardman | hmm, it works in the gpe apps |
| 16:25.39 | reenoo | probably just another rxvt-unicode bug |
| 16:25.44 | lardman | ok |
| 16:26.00 | reenoo | the '=' doesn't work either |
| 16:26.10 | lardman | works okay for me |
| 16:26.32 | lardman | ah, on screen keyboard you mean? |
| 16:26.44 | lardman | in that case, same for me - no = |
| 16:33.36 | pb_ | okay |
| 16:33.47 | pb_ | sounds like you'd need to take that up with the rxvt-unicode people, then. |
| 16:35.16 | lardman | cool, anyway I've got a ` now so I may yet manage to have bl control |
| 16:35.31 | pb_ | very good |
| 16:35.46 | zecke | pb_: OT: Do you know if M$ researc facility is directly on the Campus at Cambridge/U.K. |
| 16:42.30 | lardman | I don't live there, but try this: http://www.cam.ac.uk/map/v3/drawmap.cgi?mp=main;xx=759;yy=467;mt=c;tl=Microsoft%20Research |
| 16:42.52 | lardman | afaik Cambridge is not a campus university, it's spread out over the town |
| 16:43.37 | lardman | though from the looks of that map, it's placed with other uni buildings |
| 16:44.21 | zecke | lardman: thanks |
| 16:44.25 | lardman | np |
| 16:44.55 | koen | pb_: if X comes up garbled (x and y seem to be swapped), how do I solve that? |
| 16:45.05 | koen | with fbset or /etc/X11/Xserver? |
| 16:45.27 | lardman | hmm, my Zaurus friendly /usr/bin/bl has succeeded in powering off my screen and I can't get it back - drat |
| 16:47.29 | Cwiiis[away] | arg, can anyone tell me off-hand what the program is to alter X access control? Mind totally gone blank :/ |
| 16:47.49 | koen | xhost + |
| 16:47.53 | Cwiiis[away] | thanks koen :) |
| 16:47.56 | koen | or start with -ac |
| 16:48.33 | lardman | I'm off for a beer, bye everyone |
| 16:48.38 | koen | have fun |
| 16:52.47 | koen | ~lart crazy frog commercials |
| 16:53.06 | koen | ibot: botsnack |
| 16:53.06 | ibot | :), koen |
| 16:54.09 | Philippe | ~praise koen |
| 16:54.10 | ibot | All hail koen! |
| 16:54.34 | koen | ~curse mouse-over crazy frog banners |
| 16:54.35 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, mouse-over crazy frog banners ! |
| 16:55.14 | Cwiiis[away] | They deserve far far worse than that :| |
| 16:55.37 | Philippe | ~lart mouse-over crazy frog banners |
| 17:17.13 | koen | ooooh |
| 17:17.24 | koen | global google maps coverage |
| 17:17.58 | koen | Philippe: spot the error: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=51.179343,-2.373047&spn=25.224262,64.511719&hl=en |
| 17:20.51 | reenoo | heh |
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| 17:35.29 | reenoo | koen: that's kind of odd. when you zoom in the labels are correct. |
| 17:36.35 | koen | zooming out helps too |
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| 18:08.00 | reenoo | koen: any news on planet.handhelds.org btw? |
| 18:08.15 | koen | no |
| 18:08.20 | koen | I'll ping france |
| 18:12.45 | france | koen: hi |
| 18:13.03 | koen | hey france :) |
| 18:13.17 | france | reenoo: sorry, it is on the back burner until next week. admin.handhelds.org needs major work. |
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| 18:16.04 | reenoo | hey france |
| 18:16.15 | france | reenoo: hi |
| 18:17.01 | reenoo | france: np. admin.hh.org is more important for obvious (infrastructure) reasons |
| 18:17.34 | france | reenoo: it has been down a long time! debating whether or not to move it out of ldap into nss_mysql |
| 18:17.56 | france | mysql is understood by more people |
| 18:18.22 | france | it appears that only Nick and I understand the openldap stuff and nick is no longer about. |
| 18:19.00 | france | with mysql jamey, andy, steve or brian could help, when things get broken. |
| 18:20.02 | reenoo | openldap administration can be quite demanding |
| 18:20.31 | france | the issue is that they format of the config files change along with the database |
| 18:20.44 | france | and when the rpms were upgraded (security), it did not go well. |
| 18:21.05 | france | so 1/2 a day to fix it or 1 day to move to nss_mysql |
| 18:21.28 | reenoo | no bdb corruption yet? that's where the real fun starts >:) |
| 18:21.43 | france | reenoo: I keep txt file backups. ;_D |
| 18:22.53 | reenoo | I used to work for a german linux shop that's specialized on openldap based solution back in 2003. database corruptions were causing us serious headaches... |
| 18:22.54 | france | for example: (koen is handy) |
| 18:22.58 | france | dn: uid=koen,ou=People,dc=handhelds,dc=org |
| 18:22.58 | france | cn: Koen Kooi |
| 18:22.59 | france | loginShell: /bin/bash |
| 18:23.35 | reenoo | I know ldiff ;) |
| 18:23.41 | france | reenoo: yup, that is why, the nighly cron job dumps everything to text which is grabbed by the incremental backup system |
| 18:23.43 | france | :-D |
| 18:26.55 | france | reenoo: ldap is a great idea, I just wish it was implemented differently. (then agian I say that about java) |
| 18:28.15 | france | the nss_mysql does a good job, but it leaves me with a centralized logging issue for lastlogin, etc... |
| 18:28.31 | france | looking at the various pam optoins.... |
| 18:29.04 | france | going with mysql may eleminate the need for kerberos |
| 18:29.55 | reenoo | france: I talked to an admin of a >100k users network a while back. apparently it depends on what server you use. the netscape one (which redhat open sourced recently) is at a totally different level. |
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| 18:30.47 | france | reenoo: ahh, that makes sense! |
| 18:31.39 | koen|tv | did anyone tried gtkperf on an ipaq yet? |
| 18:31.50 | koen|tv | s/tried/try/ |
| 18:54.46 | zecke | koen|tv: hehe, students suck bad ass |
| 18:54.56 | koen|tv | why did they have to torch the barber when I *really* need a haircut? |
| 18:54.58 | zecke | koen|tv: they're stupid, lame... selfish |
| 18:55.14 | CoreDump|home | hey zecke, you're an ctrlaltdel.com |
| 18:55.17 | CoreDump|home | http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/index.php?t=archives&date=last |
| 18:55.32 | koen|tv | and my favourite bar is closed thanks to the same batch of molotov cocktails |
| 18:55.46 | zecke | CoreDump|home: is that a dos binary? |
| 18:55.58 | CoreDump|home | zecke: it's a web comic |
| 18:56.07 | koen|tv | heh |
| 18:56.11 | CoreDump|home | :) |
| 18:56.59 | koen|tv | zecke: http://www.utwente.nl/en/mainitems/brand1_en.doc/index.html |
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| 19:05.40 | lardman | evening all |
| 19:06.06 | lardman | could someone with access to the ipaq-sleep .bb tell me what its URI is please |
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| 19:07.07 | lardman | I have bl working on the Zaurus except for the 3 output/input business and I want to check whether that's needed |
| 19:08.08 | CoreDump|home | SRC_URI = "${GPE_MIRROR}/${PN}-${PV}.tar.gz" |
| 19:08.10 | CoreDump|home | heh |
| 19:08.51 | CoreDump|home | http://ftp.handhelds.org/pub/projects/gpe/source/ipaq-sleep-0.7-9.tar.gz |
| 19:08.55 | lardman | thanks |
| 19:08.58 | CoreDump|home | np |
| 19:09.53 | lardman | I'll report back tomorrow, bye |
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| 19:36.39 | pu_buha | hi, can anyone point me to a OZ FAQ? |
| 19:36.54 | koen|tv | #openzaurus ? |
| 19:36.58 | pu_buha | i've got a load of questions i can't find the answers to... |
| 19:37.34 | pu_buha | like how to control the light? |
| 19:38.07 | pu_buha | the bl utility seems to be for the ipaq :( |
| 19:38.26 | pu_buha | GPE is part of OZ right? |
| 19:38.54 | koen|tv | oz ships gpe |
| 19:39.11 | koen|tv | just like debian ships gnome |
| 19:39.37 | pu_buha | ah |
| 19:41.10 | pu_buha | while i'm here, is GPE any better than Opie? someone told me that Opie is more "polished" than GPE... but Opie seems poorly "polished" to me, and full of bugs. |
| 19:41.51 | koen|tv | I think we are slightly biased :) |
| 19:41.59 | pu_buha | i was also told that GPE requires more storage space to achieve equivalent functionality to Opie |
| 19:42.09 | koen|tv | that isn't true |
| 19:42.37 | koen|tv | we actually ship a browser with devices with > 16mb of flash |
| 19:42.51 | pu_buha | a graphical browser? |
| 19:42.55 | koen|tv | minimo |
| 19:44.11 | pu_buha | heh. looks like it's only 4MB. they must have left all the bugs out ;) |
| 19:45.09 | pu_buha | is there a GPE FAQ? |
| 19:45.58 | koen|tv | see the topic |
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| 19:53.45 | pu_buha | ah found it. http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/FamiliarFaq |
| 19:54.33 | koen|tv | that is actually the faq for the familiar distribution |
| 19:57.21 | pu_buha | i don't see a GPE-specific faq... |
| 19:58.05 | pu_buha | (well, there's a GPEFAQ on the wiki, but it's only got two Q&As on it..) |
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| 20:47.10 | Philippe | koen|tv, well if you open it with konqueror you will even get another surprise. But it seems I live in the wrong country :-) |
| 20:54.44 | Philippe | well I am off to enjoy (according to google maps) Dutch beer :-) |
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| 21:02.12 | lardman | I'm back |
| 21:02.48 | lardman | I have ipaq-sleep working (at least it appears to do so) |
| 21:03.35 | lardman | do you iPAQ users no find it annoying that once the backlight has turned off, it can't come back unless you suspend then resume (or is it not actually working)? |
| 21:04.26 | pb_ | that sounds like a bug. it certainly shouldn't behave that way. |
| 21:04.38 | lardman | pb_: do you have an iPAQ? |
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| 21:04.42 | pb_ | that said, on the ipaq you can manually toggle the backlight by holding down the power button. Does that not work on the zaurus? |
| 21:04.57 | lardman | Not sure, I've never tried it |
| 21:05.04 | pb_ | yes, I do have an ipaq |
| 21:05.21 | lardman | What happens with it then if you leave it alone? |
| 21:05.41 | pb_ | I don't have a recent Familiar image on it at the moment. |
| 21:05.45 | lardman | On my Zaurus, the bl would stay on 50% (the default) until it suspended |
| 21:06.10 | lardman | which is fairly wasteful if the suspend is set at 10 min (the default in ipaq-sleep) |
| 21:06.15 | pb_ | The intended behaviour, and I'm pretty sure the way it used to work, is that the backlight would go off a little while before it suspends. |
| 21:06.29 | pb_ | It might well be that it doesn't know how to drive the Z backlight, though. |
| 21:07.03 | lardman | I've ported /usr/bin/bl to work for the Zaurus |
| 21:07.15 | lardman | port is a bit of a strong work actually |
| 21:07.51 | lardman | The wierd thing I found was that once the backlight dimming had occured, it wasn't possible to get it to come back without suspending then resuming |
| 21:08.43 | lardman | I'd prefer to go more like opie - have a fairly fast decline in the bl brightness, with more than two levels |
| 21:09.15 | lardman | but I don't know why it doesn't come back to the original level when I tap the screen |
| 21:13.49 | ariel | hi |
| 21:14.00 | lardman | hi |
| 21:18.44 | ariel | can someone helpme to set my openemendded/conf/local.conf file? |
| 21:19.37 | lardman | I can try, but I don't have my build machine in front of me, plus I build for a Zaurus |
| 21:20.32 | ariel | the variable BBFILES should include what? |
| 21:21.58 | lardman | stumped already I'm afraid |
| 21:22.47 | reenoo | arielMx: a glob pointing to your .bb files. there should be an example in local.conf.sample |
| 21:22.54 | reenoo | heh |
| 21:23.06 | reenoo | nm |
| 21:23.27 | pb_ | heh |
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| 21:24.58 | reenoo | ariel: a glob pointing to your .bb files. there should be an example in local.conf.sample |
| 21:25.58 | ariel | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:25.58 | ariel | BBFILES := "${@bb.fatal('Edit your conf/local.conf: BBFILES')}" |
| 21:26.59 | ariel | so it is correct to have BBFILE="/home/ariel/oe/packages/*/*.bb" ? |
| 21:27.26 | reenoo | it's BBFILES, but yeah |
| 21:27.41 | lardman | isn't openembedded downloaded into blah/openembedded ? |
| 21:27.58 | lardman | so will /home/arial/oe work? |
| 21:28.06 | lardman | poor spelling |
| 21:28.22 | ariel | ariel@paula:~/oe $ ls |
| 21:28.22 | ariel | bitbake build openembedded |
| 21:28.48 | lardman | all in where? /home/ariel/ ? |
| 21:28.49 | ariel | it should be oe/openembedded/packages |
| 21:28.53 | ariel | yep |
| 21:28.57 | lardman | ok |
| 21:30.37 | lardman | How would one write a daemon which captures a certain keypress? |
| 21:31.01 | lardman | a keypress which should be captured and handled before it gets to any other app |
| 21:31.15 | lardman | in fact it wouldn't be recognised by any other app |
| 21:33.01 | lardman | Does the X server allow the (raw?) keyresses to be intercepted? |
| 21:33.35 | ariel | is this correct? MACHINE = "h3600" |
| 21:34.38 | lardman | There are conf files which corresond to the machine setting in openembedded/<something> (but not packages) |
| 21:34.59 | lardman | openembedded/conf perhaps or maybe machine, I can't remember off the top of my head |
| 21:35.00 | ariel | what does that mean? |
| 21:35.14 | lardman | see if there's a conf file which is called h3600.conf |
| 21:35.19 | ariel | yes |
| 21:35.24 | ariel | on machines/ |
| 21:35.35 | lardman | in that case, yes, it is a valid target |
| 21:36.00 | ariel | I think i have everything set up |
| 21:36.30 | lardman | cross fingers and run bitbake :) |
| 21:37.53 | ariel | in what directory I run bitbake? |
| 21:38.05 | ariel | .../oe/openembedded? |
| 21:38.35 | reenoo | in a separate build directory |
| 21:39.20 | reenoo | that's also where your conf/local.conf should be |
| 21:40.08 | lardman | you already said you had /home/ariel/oe/build - in there |
| 21:40.16 | ariel | ah yep |
| 21:41.13 | ariel | ariel@paula:~/oe/build $ bitbake gpe-image |
| 21:41.13 | ariel | Traceback (most recent call last): |
| 21:41.13 | ariel | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.13 | ariel | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:41.13 | ariel | ImportError: No module named bb |
| 21:43.20 | lardman | something to do with your pythin include paths? |
| 21:43.30 | lardman | s/pythin/python |
| 21:44.05 | lardman | Personally I run bitbake without installing it (which for you would be from /home/ariel/bitbake/) |
| 21:44.35 | lardman | good luck, I'm off to bed |
| 21:44.37 | lardman | night all |
| 21:44.40 | ariel | thank you |
| 21:44.45 | reenoo | 'night lardman |
| 21:48.23 | reenoo | ariel: like lardman said you'd be best off with a current svn checkout of bitbake in /home/ariel/oe/bitbake and /home/ariel/oe/bitbake/bin in PATH (export PATH=/home/ariel/oe/bitbake/bin:$PATH) |
| 21:54.24 | ariel | its working now |
| 21:54.29 | ariel | :> |
| 21:54.46 | ariel | ariel@paula:~/oe/build $ bitbake gpe-image |
| 21:54.46 | ariel | NOTE: Psyco JIT Compiler (http://psyco.sf.net) not available. Install it to increase performance. |
| 21:54.46 | ariel | NOTE: Using cache in '/home/ariel/oe/build/tmp/cache' |
| 21:54.46 | ariel | NOTE: Handling BitBake files: \ (0193/2450) [ 7 %] |
| 21:56.13 | ariel | thank you |
| 21:57.01 | reenoo | np |
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