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| 01:06.57 | reenoo|afk | 'night all |
| 01:20.38 | jozeluiz | night |
| 01:21.46 | jozeluiz | someone have experimented this error? |
| 01:22.08 | jozeluiz | doc/Makefile.am:52: endif without if |
| 01:22.47 | jozeluiz | executing the autogen.sh for the libgpewidget |
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| 07:04.37 | rob_w-cgi | hi |
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| 07:14.05 | jsmanrique | hi |
| 07:14.10 | jsmanrique | good morning |
| 07:14.23 | jsmanrique | I've installed 0.8.3 snapsots |
| 07:14.34 | jsmanrique | how could I suspend the ipaq (h5450)? |
| 07:16.49 | jsmanrique | anyone there? |
| 07:36.54 | rob_w-cgi | yep |
| 07:37.04 | rob_w-cgi | powerbutton ? |
| 07:47.52 | jsmanrique | I've installed 0.8.3 snapsots |
| 07:48.04 | jsmanrique | powerbutton restarts x system |
| 07:48.09 | jsmanrique | apm -s too |
| 07:50.14 | jsmanrique | and, after a time the ipaq tries to suspend by itself, so it restarts x again :) |
| 07:57.31 | rob_w-cgi | hmm |
| 08:02.09 | rob_w-cgi | it is strange tha apm -s does do that |
| 08:08.25 | jsmanrique | of course! |
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| 08:11.16 | basiliscus | morning all |
| 08:12.42 | basiliscus | after doing the "extra 16 mb" partition trick, I found that it is mounted as /home even in the next reflashes.... how to avoid this ? |
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| 08:37.42 | florian_hrz | hi all |
| 08:38.00 | jsmanrique | florian_hrz: hi |
| 08:56.55 | lardman | morning all |
| 08:57.11 | jsmanrique | lardman|work: morning |
| 08:57.21 | lardman|work | hey jsmanrique |
| 08:58.10 | lardman|work | what's going on with your sda project? |
| 09:00.06 | jsmanrique | lardman|work: jajaja |
| 09:00.12 | jsmanrique | lardman|work: it is stopped nowadays |
| 09:00.25 | jsmanrique | lardman|work: I am waiting for some company support for it |
| 09:00.27 | lardman|work | jsmanrique: shame, sounds cool |
| 09:00.39 | jsmanrique | lardman|work: maybe |
| 09:00.53 | lardman|work | jsmanrique: I saw this: http://www.hpcalc.org/qonos.php |
| 09:01.02 | jsmanrique | lardman|work: it was presented to HP years ago |
| 09:01.16 | lardman|work | jsmanrique: Decided my Zaurus could be as good - so I pulled out my finger and got giac working |
| 09:01.32 | jsmanrique | lardman|work: yes, I am the reason they selected gpe as base environment |
| 09:01.47 | jsmanrique | lardman|work: giac is good, too good I would say |
| 09:01.55 | jsmanrique | lardman|work: but its gui is awful |
| 09:02.19 | jsmanrique | lardman|work: I have some gui ideas, but I am not a programmer |
| 09:02.21 | lardman|work | jsmanrique: yes, I've noticed that - quirky |
| 09:02.40 | jsmanrique | lardman|work: maybe I could made some mockups using pygtk, but I am not sure |
| 09:02.59 | lardman|work | jsmanrique: I had a look at your hp49 emulator - is the hp49 significantly better than the 48 (which I've cross-compiled)? |
| 09:03.14 | lardman|work | s/your/the one you pointed out to me |
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| 09:06.02 | jsmanrique | lardman|work: well, the hp49 is a hp48 with added software.. |
| 09:06.05 | koen | good morning all |
| 09:06.06 | lardman|work | morning koen |
| 09:06.16 | florian_hrz | koen: good morning |
| 09:06.18 | koen | hey jsmanrique & lardman|work |
| 09:06.28 | koen | hey florian_hrz |
| 09:06.32 | lardman|work | jsmanrique: ok, I just found a side by side comparison doc and it appears to have far more functions |
| 09:06.33 | jsmanrique | lardman|work: it has gauss integer support, computer algebra system, better equation editor,.. better gui.. |
| 09:06.39 | jsmanrique | koen: hi |
| 09:06.45 | lardman|work | jsmanrique: it's better then ;) |
| 09:06.59 | jsmanrique | lardman|work: yes, the hardware inside is almost the same.. |
| 09:07.16 | jsmanrique | lardman|work: even the newest hp49g+ is really a device that emulates saturn processor |
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| 09:07.51 | jsmanrique | lardman|work: but I think it is better a native development, like giac and some kind of gui and a parser maybe.. |
| 09:08.02 | lardman|work | jsmanrique: I'm never that fond of running something emulated when there's an equivalent (almost) in native code |
| 09:08.04 | jsmanrique | lardman|work: because giac+gnuplot have a lot of potential |
| 09:08.19 | lardman|work | jsmanrique: I agree |
| 09:08.53 | lardman|work | what's giac like from the command line? Usable (better than using the xcas interface?)? |
| 09:09.32 | jsmanrique | lardman|work: using command line is simple, but I would prefer a basic stack and some menus and on-line help |
| 09:10.16 | lardman|work | jsmanrique: yep |
| 09:10.38 | lardman|work | jsmanrique: apm -s? |
| 09:10.44 | jsmanrique | lardman|work: and of course, an equation editor, matrix editor and pretty-print :-D |
| 09:10.54 | lardman|work | jsmanrique: Or do you mean retire? |
| 09:11.07 | jsmanrique | lardman|work: retire? |
| 09:11.26 | lardman|work | jsmanrique: you said you wanted to suspend your iPAQ |
| 09:12.21 | jsmanrique | gpe+familiar 0.8.3 suspend seems that doesn't work |
| 09:12.37 | lardman|work | Ah |
| 09:12.40 | lardman|work | not ideal |
| 09:13.23 | jsmanrique | really not |
| 09:16.27 | jsmanrique | koen: familiar 0.8.3 doesn't suspend and it seems to be a gpe problem |
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| 09:23.22 | koen | yeah, I blame kdrive |
| 09:23.55 | jsmanrique | koen: will it need another release or is there a workaround for it? |
| 09:24.17 | koen | no idea, sorry |
| 09:24.25 | jsmanrique | oops |
| 09:29.20 | jsmanrique | sad to hear that |
| 09:29.31 | jsmanrique | so it seems that I'll have to reflash after all |
| 09:32.01 | stealth | anyone have snes9x working? all I get is a black screen and no errors in the console |
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| 09:35.07 | lardman|work | Could someone add mathomatic for me please: http://students.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Zaurus/bbs/mathomatic/ |
| 09:35.48 | koen | lardman|work: attach it to bugzilla |
| 09:35.57 | lardman|afk | koen: as a bug to something? |
| 09:36.36 | lardman|afk | Or just email is to oe ml? |
| 09:36.40 | lardman|afk | s/is/it |
| 09:37.14 | koen | lardman|afk: enhancement |
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| 09:37.22 | florian_hrz | hey pb_! |
| 09:38.05 | koen | lardman|afk: bugzilla will email the list for you |
| 09:38.06 | koen | hey pb_ |
| 09:38.20 | pb_ | florian_hrz: good morning! |
| 09:38.21 | pb_ | hi koen |
| 09:38.51 | jsmanrique | lardman|afk: what is mathomatic? |
| 09:39.35 | lardman|afk | jsmanrique: http://www.mathomatic.com/ |
| 09:39.38 | jsmanrique | lardman|afk: ok, I am seeing the website now, I think |
| 09:39.42 | jsmanrique | yep |
| 09:39.55 | lardman|afk | koen: It won't let me login with guest/guest (which is what it says on the oe web site) |
| 09:40.11 | jsmanrique | lardman|afk: I see you like R too :-) |
| 09:40.12 | koen | create a new login |
| 09:40.35 | lardman|afk | koen: Ok |
| 09:40.50 | lardman|afk | jsmanrique: Yes, I'm working on that - nasty build system for cross-toolchains |
| 09:40.51 | florian_hrz | bbl |
| 09:42.04 | jsmanrique | lardman|afk: hmm, I've seen mathomatic sometime ago |
| 09:42.07 | jsmanrique | lardman|afk: is it small? |
| 10:06.39 | lardman|work | jsmanrique: Yes, it seems pretty small - certainly compiles very fast |
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| 10:30.33 | lardman|work | jsmanrique: The ipk is c.90Kb btw |
| 10:33.03 | jsmanrique | lardman|work: nice |
| 10:38.06 | lardman|work | jsmanrique: I was going to add yacas too, but I ran into a minor problem in the Makefile (iirc) and thought I'd finish giac first |
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| 11:09.03 | lardman|work | strangely giac now takes almost no time whatsoever to build |
| 11:10.18 | lardman|work | giac added to bugtracker, files here too: http://students.bath.ac.uk/enpsgp/Zaurus/bbs/giac/ |
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| 12:42.26 | koen | some people shouldn't be allowed near mailclients |
| 12:42.44 | koen | mr. Maximus being the example in this case |
| 12:43.59 | jsmanrique | koen: what? |
| 12:44.19 | koen | see the gpe mailinglists |
| 12:44.37 | koen | I vote for electrical shocks when you email without reading docs, or googling |
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| 13:07.48 | rob_w-cgi | hi all |
| 13:28.57 | koen | success! |
| 13:29.02 | koen | the sparc still boots |
| 13:36.13 | rob_w-cgi | cool |
| 13:36.53 | pb_ | you probably just need a variant of image_ipk.bbclass that calls maketilo. |
| 13:37.01 | pb_ | I thought there was one of those already, but I don't see it in the tree. |
| 13:37.31 | koen | it isn't too hard, just elf2aout and a picggyback command |
| 13:39.30 | koen | piggyback even |
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| 14:01.46 | koen | ok, that network cable was the one going to my workstations |
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| 14:40.55 | lardman|work | koen: missed your post in #OE, thanks |
| 14:42.44 | koen | which one was that? |
| 14:43.32 | lardman|work | re. what SECTIONS there should be |
| 14:43.47 | lardman|work | I should have replied there, would have been simpler :) |
| 14:44.52 | koen | :) |
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| 14:52.52 | florian_kc | bbl |
| 14:53.00 | koen | cu |
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| 15:32.27 | lardman|afk | koen: what's in a maemo-image? I can't seem to find any mention of it in my OE |
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| 15:41.12 | jozeluiz | morning |
| 15:41.48 | jozeluiz | koen: hello |
| 15:44.42 | lardman|afk | afternoon |
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| 15:57.37 | jozeluiz | Im trying to compile libgpewidget and I get the following error |
| 15:57.56 | jozeluiz | translabel.c: In function `filter': |
| 15:57.56 | jozeluiz | translabel.c:69: warning: implicit declaration of function `setlocale' |
| 15:57.56 | jozeluiz | translabel.c:69: error: `LC_MESSAGES' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 15:58.14 | jozeluiz | it is in the make proccess ... ideas ? |
| 16:01.50 | lardman|work | Missing a header file? |
| 16:01.55 | lardman|work | something to do with locales? |
| 16:02.54 | jozeluiz | this is the "locale" otput |
| 16:02.56 | jozeluiz | LANG=en_US |
| 16:02.56 | jozeluiz | LC_CTYPE="en_US" |
| 16:02.56 | jozeluiz | LC_NUMERIC="en_US" |
| 16:02.56 | jozeluiz | LC_TIME="en_US" |
| 16:02.56 | jozeluiz | LC_COLLATE="en_US" |
| 16:02.57 | jozeluiz | LC_MONETARY="en_US" |
| 16:03.03 | jozeluiz | LC_MESSAGES="en_US" |
| 16:03.05 | jozeluiz | LC_PAPER="en_US" |
| 16:03.07 | jozeluiz | LC_NAME="en_US" |
| 16:03.09 | jozeluiz | LC_ADDRESS="en_US" |
| 16:03.11 | jozeluiz | LC_TELEPHONE="en_US" |
| 16:03.13 | jozeluiz | LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US" |
| 16:03.15 | jozeluiz | LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US" |
| 16:03.17 | jozeluiz | LC_ALL= |
| 16:04.01 | lardman|work | yes, but it looks like it's used inside the source so presumably is has to be defined somewhere |
| 16:04.23 | jozeluiz | I didnt make any change on the libgpewidget sources |
| 16:04.39 | jozeluiz | so the problem must be in the compilation process |
| 16:04.57 | jozeluiz | but I dont know where ... |
| 16:05.40 | lardman|work | I don't really know I'm afraid, I was just having a guess |
| 16:05.48 | jozeluiz | this is the make command i used : make CC=arm-linux-gcc CAIRO=no |
| 16:05.52 | jozeluiz | ok ... |
| 16:06.00 | jozeluiz | thanks however |
| 16:06.25 | koen|tv | isn't libgpewidget autotooled nowadays? |
| 16:07.29 | jozeluiz | i got it from the cvs |
| 16:07.51 | jozeluiz | and i must to run autogen.sh |
| 16:08.05 | koen|tv | yes |
| 16:08.13 | koen|tv | and ./configure after that |
| 16:08.19 | jozeluiz | with automake (GNU automake) 1.9.5 |
| 16:08.21 | jozeluiz | and |
| 16:09.38 | jozeluiz | aclocal (GNU automake) 1.9.5 |
| 16:09.52 | jozeluiz | sure, I run ./configure |
| 16:10.39 | jozeluiz | this was the command: ./configure --host=arm-linux |
| 16:11.50 | koen|tv | if you did that, you shouldn't need to pass flags to make |
| 16:12.20 | jozeluiz | mm :( |
| 16:12.27 | jozeluiz | let me try |
| 16:13.08 | jozeluiz | nothing changes |
| 16:13.51 | koen|tv | and the release version (0.100 iirc) ? |
| 16:14.00 | jozeluiz | The problem is in the filter function |
| 16:16.21 | jozeluiz | Where can I see the release? |
| 16:18.35 | koen|tv | in the usual place |
| 16:18.45 | jozeluiz | sorry |
| 16:19.02 | koen|tv | http://gpe.handhelds.org/download.phtml |
| 16:22.32 | jozeluiz | I checkout the sources from the cvs server yesterday |
| 16:23.07 | jozeluiz | but i dont know the libgpewidget version |
| 16:27.34 | jozeluiz | In the libgpewidget dependencies i saw one that is : libgpewidget1-locale* (I've found it in familiar/contol1) |
| 16:27.52 | jozeluiz | this could be the problem? |
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| 16:48.00 | Philippe | hello all |
| 16:48.25 | pb_ | I don't think it should be necessary to change the Makefile, but that's possible. |
| 16:51.44 | koen|tv | ey Philippe |
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| 16:56.28 | jozeluiz | The problem is in tranlabel |
| 16:57.08 | jozeluiz | translabel.o ... and in the Changelog appears a modification in translabel ... |
| 16:57.26 | jozeluiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.40 | jozeluiz | That wes do it by Florian ... |
| 16:58.03 | jozeluiz | was in 2005/06/08 |
| 17:01.08 | jozeluiz | the lines in the error are : |
| 17:01.29 | jozeluiz | #ifdef ENABLE_NLS |
| 17:01.29 | jozeluiz | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.29 | jozeluiz | #endif |
| 17:11.52 | florian | brb, food |
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| 17:18.24 | Philippe | hey koen|tv |
| 17:19.50 | _law_ | any ideas what i could do ? http://pastebin.com/299970 |
| 17:21.59 | koen|tv | build kdrive would be my guess |
| 17:22.33 | _law_ | i have build kdrive_cvs before |
| 17:24.22 | koen|tv | strange |
| 17:25.06 | _law_ | any ideas what i could do? |
| 17:25.55 | _law_ | should i try to build an older version of kdrive? |
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| 17:39.01 | florian | oh well.. this week is too short |
| 17:40.29 | florian | jozeluiz: I think i have a fix... that bug was caused by a missing #include and some reordering in another file. |
| 17:42.54 | pb_ | florian: good evening |
| 17:42.55 | pb_ | hi zecke |
| 17:43.02 | florian | hi pb_ |
| 17:43.48 | zecke | hey |
| 17:44.39 | Philippe | hello pb_ |
| 17:48.40 | jozeluiz | florian: Ill checkout the file from cvs again ... |
| 17:48.56 | pb_ | florian: ! |
| 17:48.58 | florian | jozeluiz: wait a second... |
| 17:49.21 | Philippe | florian, strange combination :-) |
| 17:49.36 | Philippe | does that mean that Florian will marry libgpewidget? :-) |
| 17:49.37 | florian | indeed... |
| 17:49.42 | florian | eeks! |
| 17:49.57 | jozeluiz | flrian : ok |
| 17:49.58 | florian | no! |
| 17:50.57 | florian | i had to move the wedding this monday to thursday. |
| 17:51.38 | florian | the plan was to have this in july... |
| 17:52.01 | pb_ | heh. sounds like that plan failed. |
| 17:52.27 | pb_ | later all |
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| 17:52.32 | florian | pb_: yeah... |
| 17:52.35 | hrw | cu pb |
| 17:52.39 | lardman|work | bye all |
| 17:52.43 | pb_ | florian: enjoy your wedding :-) |
| 17:52.49 | Philippe | bye pb |
| 17:52.57 | Philippe | too late... |
| 17:53.11 | florian | hrm.... what is up with hh.org cvs? |
| 17:54.00 | florian | Philippe: thanks |
| 17:54.26 | florian | ah.. cvs is not broken, it is only slooooow. |
| 17:56.57 | florian | heh |
| 18:02.04 | koen|tv | florian: so tomorrow is the big day? |
| 18:08.12 | florian | koen: yes... so more or less, the big party is after church on july 9th :-) |
| 18:08.51 | koen | ok, so your not getting a card with gratulations in time.... |
| 18:09.48 | florian | *g* |
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| 18:13.12 | florian | jozeluiz: it is in... |
| 18:13.39 | jozeluiz | ok |
| 18:13.52 | florian | finally... |
| 18:19.36 | jozeluiz | florian : the problem is solved :) |
| 18:19.54 | florian | jozeluiz: very good |
| 18:20.05 | jozeluiz | florian : now the problem is : :( |
| 18:20.09 | jozeluiz | /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so: could not read symbols: Invalid operation |
| 18:20.10 | jozeluiz | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 18:20.10 | jozeluiz | make[1]: *** [libgpewidget.la] Error 1 |
| 18:20.10 | jozeluiz | make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/jozeluiz/gpe/gpe/base/libgpewidget' |
| 18:20.10 | jozeluiz | make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 |
| 18:20.48 | florian | uh... sounds like you are linking against a library of a wron arch or something like this. |
| 18:26.49 | jozeluiz | it is linking against -L/usr/local/arm/oe/arm-linux/lib /usr/lib/libgtk-x11-2.0.so /usr/lib/libgdk-x11-2.0.so /usr/lib/libatk-1.0.so /usr/lib/libgdk_pixbuf-2.0.so -lm /usr/lib/libpangoxft-1.0.so /usr/lib/libpangox-1.0.so /usr/lib/libpango-1.0.so /usr/lib/libgobject-2.0.so /usr/lib/libgmodule-2.0.so -ldl /usr/lib/libglib-2.0.so |
| 18:27.05 | jozeluiz | is it bad? |
| 18:27.12 | koen | yes |
| 18:27.27 | koen | unless you're compiling on an arm system |
| 18:27.42 | jozeluiz | nop ... is in a desktop machine ... |
| 18:27.46 | florian | jozeluiz: if you try to crosscompile - yes, if you build it nativ that should be ok. |
| 18:28.30 | florian | hrm... it works pretty nice here. |
| 18:29.27 | jozeluiz | mm ... I just dowload gpe-sdk-20050216.tar.bz2 from http://handhelds.org/~florian/sdk/ |
| 18:29.45 | jozeluiz | and uncompress in / |
| 18:32.40 | florian | jozeluiz: ah.. you want to crosscompile? |
| 18:33.33 | jozeluiz | florian: yes |
| 18:33.52 | florian | jozeluiz: you need to have its compiler on path and tell configure to use it. |
| 18:34.33 | florian | jozeluiz: in the same directory is a file which shows you the environment variables to set up. |
| 18:35.09 | florian | jozeluiz: then run configure with --host=arm-linux --prefix=/usr |
| 18:35.54 | jozeluiz | florian: Im going to change it and re run all again |
| 18:36.04 | florian | If linking fails then delete the .la files in the sdk libdir (/usr/local/arm/oe/arm-linux/lib) |
| 18:37.08 | jozeluiz | florian: and then ill tell you the results |
| 18:37.30 | florian | jozeluiz: okay great! |
| 18:37.31 | florian | cu |
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| 18:54.12 | mimecar | hi |
| 18:57.10 | koen|tv | hey mimecar |
| 18:57.18 | mimecar | hi koen|tv |
| 18:57.40 | mimecar | you aren't watching tv, aren't you ? :p |
| 18:57.58 | koen|tv | I am |
| 18:58.06 | koen|tv | the power of laptopping on the couch |
| 18:58.20 | mimecar | xDD |
| 19:10.48 | mimecar | see you |
| 19:10.51 | mimecar | by |
| 19:10.52 | mimecar | bye |
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| 20:14.30 | reenoo | evening |
| 20:15.24 | tubbie|home | hi reenoo |
| 20:15.58 | reenoo | hey tubbie|home |
| 20:17.04 | koen | ey reenoo |
| 20:20.08 | reenoo | hi koen |
| 20:21.51 | reenoo | koen: didn't you build giac the other day? |
| 20:22.22 | koen | last weeks' build failed |
| 20:22.40 | reenoo | well.. I don't buy the "it needs fat x libs" thing |
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| 20:24.19 | *** topic/#gpe is The GPE Palmtop Environment - http://gpe.handhelds.org/ | GPE Wiki: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GPEProject | unstable images outdated: http://handhelds.org/~pb/unstable/ | unstable feed now (sort of) working again | familiar snapshots: http://familiar.handhelds.org/snapshots/ |
| 20:24.32 | reenoo | yah.. that's a different story. I still fail to understand why we (read: pb_) are tracking bleeding edge toolchain code |
| 20:24.53 | reenoo | causes random breakage and doesn't buy much else |
| 20:25.31 | reenoo | same goes for X btw |
| 20:25.44 | reenoo | we don't really need current X code |
| 20:26.21 | koen | at least the xserver and xextensions are fixed down now |
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| 20:26.28 | koen | I was too lazy to do all the xlibs |
| 20:27.08 | reenoo | judging from a few familiar@ postings the X in 0.8.3 is having issues |
| 20:27.30 | reenoo | Spyro reported something similar the other day |
| 20:27.49 | koen | yeah |
| 20:28.13 | koen | I'd rather know what causes it, rather than blindly going back to a known version |
| 20:29.03 | reenoo | that's a noble goal but I don't expect an actual fix to happen anytime soon |
| 20:32.52 | reenoo | I mean, it just sucks how familiar and gpe in particular look like to the outside world because of unnecessary bugs like these |
| 20:33.01 | koen | yeah |
| 20:33.30 | koen | but it still are snapshots |
| 20:33.35 | koen | nothing final |
| 20:35.00 | reenoo | I'm not sure people actually understand the difference |
| 20:35.10 | koen | ibot: botmail for pigi: do you know when ipkg .150 will be out? |
| 20:35.51 | reenoo | technically that's not our problem. but it still results in _very_ bad PR |
| 20:37.30 | koen | the problem of PR is a bit bigger |
| 20:37.30 | Philippe | I agree somehow with reenoo. We should have easy to reproduce *stable* version trees where some patches can be added. |
| 20:37.58 | Philippe | Some sort of oe tree with a stable branch and a devel branch. |
| 20:38.22 | koen | bk clone -rfamiliar-0.8.2 |
| 20:38.34 | koen | or get the export from the 0.8.1 sources dir |
| 20:38.46 | ade|desk | a svn of the oe tree would be good |
| 20:39.09 | Philippe | stable would mean with "fixed" packages and patches that fix reported issues ( fixed means in this case not current cvs) |
| 20:39.44 | koen | yes |
| 20:39.45 | Philippe | koen, indeed that is a start. I just believe we need an extra to that... |
| 20:39.47 | koen | bk clone -rfamiliar-0.8.2 |
| 20:39.58 | koen | that has everything fixed |
| 20:40.22 | Philippe | it is maintained? apologies for my ignorence then... |
| 20:40.42 | koen | it is a snapshot of the bk tree at the moment on the release |
| 20:40.51 | koen | with a fixed cvsdate and all |
| 20:41.01 | koen | you can rebuild stuff against that |
| 20:41.39 | Philippe | okay fine, but issues only get fixed on the main branch no? (AFAIK) |
| 20:41.48 | koen | yes |
| 20:42.03 | koen | is you need a fix, you can backport it |
| 20:42.50 | Philippe | Well I believe that is an issue for many people.... (and they have to know about the bk clone trick and oe also) |
| 20:43.45 | Philippe | PR wise snapshots are not really understood by many. |
| 20:44.04 | koen | I don't care about idiots |
| 20:44.14 | koen | I care about stability |
| 20:44.34 | koen | if *I* can figure it out, anybody can |
| 20:45.19 | Philippe | koen, there still is a difference between idiots and knowledgeable people with not to much time on their hands... |
| 20:45.32 | Philippe | It is the knowledge-able user we need for useful bug reports. |
| 20:45.47 | koen | flash snapshot, report bugs |
| 20:46.03 | koen | no oe needed |
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| 20:46.45 | Philippe | but wait until the next snapshot to see if something changes or bugs get fixed... is not really useful to them, and that can cause them to loose interest. |
| 20:47.09 | koen | they can view the bkbits site |
| 20:47.16 | koen | or use bugzilla |
| 20:47.37 | koen | required braincells: 7 |
| 20:47.52 | ade|desk | koen: damn only have 6 :( |
| 20:48.14 | Philippe | yes indeed, to report bugs. But it makes it very hard for us to actually track bugs. users cannot report if it actually got fixed for them. |
| 20:49.30 | koen | that is a bit of a nonproblem |
| 20:49.41 | koen | users who fail to report already fixed bugs |
| 20:50.01 | Philippe | I mean in the sense of closing them.... |
| 20:50.44 | koen | if a bug gets fixed, we upload the fix to unstable |
| 20:51.22 | koen | or an attempted fix |
| 20:51.32 | koen | "please ipkg install foo.ipk" |
| 20:53.22 | Philippe | Maybe we need better doc on that... |
| 20:53.50 | koen | that's what bugzilla comments are for :) |
| 20:55.06 | koen | a very stupid user will usually only find my email address and insult me |
| 20:55.41 | koen | see http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/FortuneCookies |
| 20:56.09 | ade|desk | koen: if you i could get a working 'ROM' ;) |
| 20:56.20 | koen | *cough* |
| 20:56.20 | ade|desk | add / |
| 20:59.00 | koen | and the very stupid user will whine about "wikis are not working" and "we need forums" |
| 20:59.18 | Philippe | ~curse stupid users |
| 20:59.19 | ibot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, stupid users ! |
| 20:59.25 | koen | ~users |
| 20:59.26 | ibot | so this is what we get for sharing our unpaid volunteer work with you? complaints and accuses? <irony> well done, this clearly supports our motivation to continue working on open source projects. </irony> |
| 20:59.46 | Philippe | ~lusers |
| 20:59.47 | ibot | lusers are multiple luser(s). see luser |
| 20:59.54 | Philippe | ~luser |
| 20:59.55 | ibot | luser is, like, a BOFH toy, or user + loser = luser |
| 21:00.53 | ade|desk | so does user+loser+opie = oh luser ? |
| 21:02.35 | koen | ~opie |
| 21:02.37 | ibot | rumour has it, opie is the Open Palmtop Integrated Environment. More info at http://opie.handhelds.org/ or in the #opie channel. Installation instructions at http://opie.handhelds.org/wiki/index.php?OpieInstallation or respect, API http://handhelds.org/~zecke/apidocs/, or a nose-hair trimming device invented by Steve Ballmer in his high-school days |
| 21:03.27 | koen | see, it's all tied to MS |
| 21:03.56 | koen | :) |
| 21:04.33 | Philippe | oohh MS. Koen you might be next after the gentoo dev... |
| 21:04.47 | koen | yeah |
| 21:04.56 | koen | I feel a bit dirty, I used gentoo today |
| 21:05.12 | koen | I suddenly felt the urge to say "campiling" and "faster" |
| 21:05.17 | koen | and "1773" |
| 21:05.42 | koen | then I pivot_rooted into debian |
| 21:05.44 | ade|desk | w00t etc |
| 21:05.46 | koen | sanity returned |
| 21:07.17 | koen | ade|desk: http://funroll-loops.org/ |
| 21:16.28 | ade|desk | koen: happily waseted 10mins reading that crap :) |
| 21:16.52 | koen | the noatime is the best |
| 21:17.27 | koen | anyway |
| 21:17.31 | koen | 'night all |
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| 22:06.25 | rob_w | hey |
| 22:19.47 | Philippe | goodnight |
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