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| 07:41.07 | florian_hrz | good morning |
| 07:49.47 | rob_w | ello |
| 07:55.03 | florian_hrz | hi rob_w |
| 08:04.49 | hrw|work | hi |
| 08:05.38 | hrw|work | how to run "gpe-conf theme" as user? all I got is empty window... (works when started as root) - OZ 3.5.3+ own image, zaurus c760 with 2.6.12-rc4-mm2 kernel |
| 08:07.15 | florian_hrz | hrw|work: oops... that shouldn't happen! Do you have the composite stuff turned on? |
| 08:08.26 | florian_hrz | hrw|work: if yes try to move the window... |
| 08:08.55 | hrw|work | florian_hrz: moves without problems |
| 08:09.17 | florian_hrz | hrw|work: but the content doesn't show up? |
| 08:09.22 | hrw|work | florian_hrz: exactly |
| 08:09.35 | hrw|work | florian_hrz: sound settings works ok |
| 08:09.48 | florian_hrz | hrw|work: does it eat up cpu power? |
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| 08:10.00 | florian_hrz | morning koen |
| 08:10.26 | hrw|work | florian_hrz: nope |
| 08:10.34 | hrw|work | it just sits and do nothing |
| 08:10.59 | koen | good morning all |
| 08:11.08 | koen | hey florian_hrz & hrw|work |
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| 08:12.06 | florian_hrz | hrw|work: I wonder if it might be caused by some settings. |
| 08:12.21 | florian_hrz | hrw|work: what does "xst read" show you? |
| 08:13.21 | hrw|work | 7 lines.. Gtk/Fontname, gtk/iconsize, gtk/toolbariconsite gtk/toolbarstyle |
| 08:13.34 | hrw|work | matchbox/composite str off |
| 08:13.45 | hrw|work | matchbox/desktop/font |
| 08:13.51 | hrw|work | net/themename |
| 08:14.02 | hrw|work | of course with values |
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| 08:17.02 | bedboi | hi all |
| 08:17.44 | koen | bon giorno bedboi |
| 08:17.54 | florian_hrz | hi bedboi |
| 08:18.07 | bedboi | buon giorno koen |
| 08:18.14 | florian_hrz | hrw|work: hmm strange... which image is this? |
| 08:18.58 | hrw|work | florian_hrz: own one |
| 08:19.08 | hrw|work | florian_hrz: 20050520 build |
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| 08:20.08 | florian_hrz | hrw|work: okay... i can try to reproduce this later today... maybe i can get the same effect on a Simpad or Netvista. |
| 08:21.03 | hrw|work | ok |
| 08:21.11 | XorA | hrw|work: just tested mine, was last upgraded on 20th |
| 08:21.29 | XorA | hrw|work: hrw|work look+feel works, so it must be something external to the app |
| 08:22.08 | hrw|work | XorA: maybe - anyway I started is as root and configured user account |
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| 08:22.35 | XorA | hrw|work: can you open program manager and check that there isnt any hidden windows open? |
| 08:22.49 | reenoo | morning |
| 08:23.12 | hrw|work | XorA: just desktop and panel0 |
| 08:23.24 | XorA | hrw|work: and gpe-conf? |
| 08:23.55 | hrw|work | XorA: btw.. running gpe for first time needs fast hand - there is requester which is covered by desktop and whole gpe freeze |
| 08:24.13 | hrw|work | XorA: finaly quit after long [X] press |
| 08:24.34 | hrw|work | hmm.. now look&feel starts.. |
| 08:24.37 | XorA | hrw|work: hmm, that might be the bug in matchbox 9.4 I found but havent had time to debug |
| 08:24.54 | XorA | hrw|work: it hides some requesters where you cannot see, 9.3 doesnt suffer this |
| 08:25.10 | XorA | hrw|work: I was debugging for mallum, but I got busy at work and havent had time |
| 08:26.03 | hrw|work | and again I have /home/hrw/ramdisk/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/../hrw/ dir ;( |
| 08:27.02 | reenoo | no, you don't |
| 08:27.15 | reenoo | that's just a symlink |
| 08:28.07 | hrw|work | reenoo: so gtk filereq is b0rken |
| 08:28.36 | hrw|work | XorA: how to get @ on husky? Fn+- does not work |
| 08:29.04 | reenoo | hrw|work: can you rephrase that? |
| 08:29.20 | XorA | hrw|work: shift |
| 08:29.49 | XorA | hrw|work: and ive no idea why someone changed it, it puzzles me as well |
| 08:30.17 | hrw|work | reenoo: gtk filereq show me /home/hrw/ramdisk/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/hrw/../hrw/, you say that this is symlink.. but it looks like dir not symlink in filereq (no filemanager here) |
| 08:31.26 | reenoo | hrw|work: you don't appear to have the slightest clue about how symlinks work |
| 08:31.41 | hrw|work | reenoo: sometimes yes |
| 08:32.11 | XorA | hrw|work: /mnt/ram/home/hrw -> /mnt/ram/home/hrw |
| 08:33.52 | hrw|work | anyway - what it is for? /hom/hrw/ramdisk/ -> /mnt/ram/home/hrw/ and /mnt/ram/home/hrw/hrw/ -> /mnt/ram/home/hrw/ |
| 08:46.44 | florian_hrz | bbl |
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| 08:50.24 | koen | hey mallum |
| 08:50.27 | bedboi | anyone can suggest me a "good" book about UML? |
| 08:57.41 | mallum | hey koen |
| 09:07.11 | bedboi | are glib portable to winshit `platform` |
| 09:08.43 | XorA | bedboi: yes, gimp runs happilly on gtk2 on windoze |
| 09:09.30 | koen | the pro of using matlab under XP is that I can play some win only games when I get bored :) |
| 09:11.36 | bedboi | koen: ahaha |
| 09:11.57 | bedboi | koen: how come you have to use XP to run matlab... |
| 09:12.04 | bedboi | there's a linux version of it |
| 09:12.11 | hrw|work | is there any applet which will show window list under matchbox? |
| 09:12.29 | mallum | hrw|work: no one has written one yet |
| 09:12.35 | hrw|work | thx |
| 09:12.55 | mallum | hrw|work: though saying that if you run gnome panel it has things like that which work :) |
| 09:13.06 | hrw|work | so as XorA said I have to downgrade to matchbox 0.9.3 |
| 09:13.25 | hrw|work | mallum: ;) |
| 09:13.28 | XorA | hrw|work: you having the hidden requester problem as well? |
| 09:14.16 | hrw|work | XorA: exactly |
| 09:14.26 | hrw|work | XorA: started sylpheed and had to kill |
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| 09:15.29 | hrw|work | btw - applauncher menu use same fontsize as desktop? |
| 09:15.40 | florian_kc | re |
| 09:15.49 | mallum | XorA: what is the hidden requester problem > |
| 09:16.30 | XorA | mallum: what we discussed a couple of weeks ago, mb-wm 9.4 hides some requesters where they cannot be seen, you asked me to do a test for you, but work got mega busy and I didnt have time |
| 09:17.22 | mallum | XorA: try building without --enable-composite, 0.9.4 should be fine then |
| 09:17.44 | XorA | mallum: makes no difference |
| 09:18.24 | mallum | XorA: wierd, and 0.9.3 works ok ? |
| 09:18.40 | XorA | mallum: its not that they are drawn invisible, they are not on screen at all, but show up in progam manager |
| 09:19.16 | mallum | XorA: and its just sylpheed and moz windows ? |
| 09:19.18 | XorA | mallum: 9.3 works perfectly, when we talked last you asked me to test a certain SVN date |
| 09:19.37 | XorA | mallum: they are only two apps Ive seen exhibite the behaviour |
| 09:20.04 | XorA | mallum: but I havent gone chasing for others |
| 09:20.28 | hrw|work | mallum: also first start is borken due to it |
| 09:21.59 | hrw|work | I had to kill whole X |
| 09:22.40 | mallum | hrw|work: whats first start ? |
| 09:23.41 | hrw|work | mallum: I flashed GPE, started, entered username and other data and got 1st start of gpe |
| 09:23.57 | hrw|work | mallum: some req appear for a moment and was covered by desktop |
| 09:24.18 | hrw|work | desktop was not responding because I didnt press "OK" in that req |
| 09:24.45 | hrw|work | second time (after reflash) I was faster - pressed "OK" without trying to read |
| 09:31.27 | hrw|work | XorA: which part of matchbox 0.9.4 need to be replaced with 0.9.3? |
| 09:35.42 | XorA | hrw|work: just -wm |
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| 09:39.01 | hrw|work | ok |
| 09:39.34 | robtaylor | koen: re:farsight, we'll be having a bof at guadec if you're gonna be there ;) |
| 09:42.26 | koen | robtaylor: I won't be there, but I'll be interested in the slides |
| 09:43.17 | mallum | XorA: I really need to find an app on my desktop ( ubuntu hoary ) that exhibits the behaviour so I can figure out whats up |
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| 09:46.46 | XorA | mallum: I have hoary at home, dont have matchbox on it |
| 09:48.36 | mallum | XorA: sylpheed does it too right ? |
| 09:48.40 | robtaylor | koen: aww . heh. you have a point. i should prepare some slides ;) |
| 09:48.54 | koen | :) |
| 09:49.42 | mallum | koen: 'I wont be there' |
| 09:49.45 | mallum | koen: wtf |
| 09:50.25 | koen | I guess you have to postpone the smackdown |
| 09:51.16 | XorA | mallum: yes, the edit accounts dialog will not show |
| 09:51.31 | mallum | XorA: okey, I have a plan |
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| 09:58.49 | florian_kc | hey unknown26 |
| 09:58.57 | unknown26 | hi florian_kc |
| 09:59.20 | florian_kc | unknown26: before i forget again.. yes, we still have a GPE t-shirt :-) |
| 09:59.45 | unknown26 | florian_kc: cool! Would I get this through kc? |
| 10:01.13 | koen | hey unknown26 |
| 10:01.23 | unknown26 | hello koen |
| 10:02.23 | florian_kc | unknown26: yes sure... |
| 10:03.29 | koen | florian_kc: I change gnome-vfs-dbus so that it depends on gconf-dbus |
| 10:03.51 | koen | not a great assumption, but that will prohibit the building of the normal gconf |
| 10:04.16 | hrw|work | and probably orbit? |
| 10:04.45 | koen | yes |
| 10:04.52 | koen | unless gnome-mime-data pull it in |
| 10:05.30 | hrw|work | koen: gpe-filemanager pulls gnome-mime-data? |
| 10:05.45 | koen | gnome-vfs-dbus depends on it |
| 10:05.55 | koen | g-mime-d shouldn't depend on it |
| 10:06.00 | hrw|work | aha |
| 10:08.03 | mallum | OT, but anyone rip DVD's here on Linux ? |
| 10:08.37 | pigeon | mallum: ripping into other video dvd or...? |
| 10:09.21 | mallum | pigeon: no just ripping to an mpeg or avi or whatever |
| 10:09.30 | XorA | mallum: I do |
| 10:09.35 | XorA | mallum: then play them on the Z |
| 10:09.39 | pigeon | mallum: in that case i use mencoder only pretty much... |
| 10:10.11 | mallum | pigeon: do you have a cmd line example ? |
| 10:11.13 | pigeon | something like mencoder -o output.avi -ovc lavc -oac lavc -lavcopts vcodec=mpeg4:acodec=mp3:vbitrate=xxxxx:abitrate=yyyy -aspect w/h dvd:// |
| 10:11.30 | pigeon | it also depends on whether you want to do things like 2-pass divx encoding. |
| 10:11.54 | XorA | mallum: also on a lot of dvd's you will want to run through de-interlace |
| 10:12.14 | pigeon | yeah... for mencoder you want -vf lavcdeint |
| 10:12.23 | XorA | mallum: I have a howto on oz.org for encoding for c7x0 Z devices |
| 10:12.35 | pigeon | also sometimes you want to do scaling/croping... |
| 10:12.42 | mallum | XorA: ah cool URL ? |
| 10:12.48 | hrw|work | mallum: just killed gpe-conf.. this time it takes most of cpu time |
| 10:12.59 | mallum | I've done it before, cant remember the URL |
| 10:12.59 | pigeon | mallum: ah, encoding for watching on pda? |
| 10:13.11 | mallum | hrw|work: yeah that happens to me too |
| 10:13.17 | XorA | mallum: http://openzaurus.org/wordpress/howto/encoding-and-playing-video-for-c7x0-devices/ |
| 10:13.24 | mallum | hrw|work: I think thats a gpe-conf bug rather than mb |
| 10:13.39 | pigeon | mallum: for general dvd ripping, you may want to read http://mplayerhq.hu/DOCS/HTML/en/menc-feat-dvd-mpeg4.html |
| 10:13.48 | mallum | pigeon: yeah, cool thanks |
| 10:15.46 | mallum | XorA: nice article |
| 10:16.02 | mallum | XorA: but how do you get the stuff off the dvd to begin with ? |
| 10:16.16 | XorA | mallum: your input is dvd:// |
| 10:16.23 | XorA | mallum: mencoder solves all |
| 10:16.31 | mallum | XorA: :) |
| 10:16.57 | pigeon | dvd:// dvd://1 dvd://2, and/or occasional -chapter option. |
| 10:17.21 | XorA | pigeon: yeah, bcc have nasty habbit of 1 title, with stop commands between chapters |
| 10:17.57 | pigeon | oh :\ |
| 10:18.17 | XorA | pigeon: or the worst one, title 1 with episode 4 :-) |
| 10:18.31 | XorA | pigeon title 2 with epsiode 1 and onwards |
| 10:21.22 | pigeon | maybe easier to rip the whole thing and edit it later... :\ |
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| 10:35.05 | bedboi | anyone knows if koen's feeds are up? |
| 10:41.58 | rob_w | how does ibot again change usd into euro ? |
| 10:42.58 | hrw|work | ~change 1 usd to eur |
| 10:43.32 | rob_w | thanx |
| 10:44.54 | hrw|work | np |
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| 11:43.28 | Cwiiis[uni] | Hi all |
| 11:44.29 | koen | hey Cwiiis[uni] |
| 11:44.42 | hrw|work | hi cwiiis |
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| 12:13.54 | hrw|work | how will be best to package ttf fonts? ttf-dejavusans_1.10_all.ipk ttf-dejavusansmono_1.10_all.ipk or one ttf_dejavu_1.10_all.ipk with all 5 families? |
| 12:14.24 | hrw|work | ttf-dejavusans_1.10_all.ipk will contain regular, bold, italic/oblique, bold italic/oblique ofcourse |
| 12:14.43 | hrw|work | what do you think? I'm asking because plan to add some TTF fonts into OE |
| 12:15.34 | XorA | hrw|work: familly in one work for me, as its nice to get the real italic/bold automatically |
| 12:16.13 | XorA | hrw|work: sorry misread, I mead option 2 you presented |
| 12:16.27 | hrw|work | now have to think about automagic for it (like it is done to qpf fonts) |
| 12:16.45 | XorA | crapit, I cant type after a beer |
| 12:16.49 | hrw|work | ;) |
| 12:24.22 | lardman|work | XorA: Liquid lunch on a Tuesday! |
| 12:24.48 | lardman|work | XorA: I like the sound of that |
| 12:25.15 | XorA | lardman|work: bosses bought us beer to celebrate software release |
| 12:26.22 | rob_w | XorA what was released ? |
| 12:35.55 | mallum | XorA: if I run sylpheed from ipaq . with desktop as display ( and SVN MB ) it works fine |
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| 12:58.00 | bedboi | should g_free(p) make p point to null? |
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| 13:15.15 | bedboi | should g_free(p) make p point to NULL ? |
| 13:16.51 | XorA | mallum: arse, maybe I try a svn build on Z and see if it mystically fixes |
| 13:17.24 | bedboi | koen: is your feed back online? |
| 13:17.38 | koen | bedboi: nope, the lab is still being moved |
| 13:21.13 | bedboi | ah, ok. thanks :) |
| 13:27.15 | florian_kc | bedboi: no, it doesn't... |
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| 13:42.38 | XorA | mallum: problem happens with svn of date 20050521 |
| 13:44.41 | mallum | XorA: are you building with --enable-conmposite ? |
| 13:45.01 | XorA | mallum: yes, but I tried 0.9.4 with it disabled |
| 13:50.13 | mallum | koen: http://www.butterfeet.org/misc/Industrial-no-titlebar-panel-theme.xml |
| 13:50.44 | koen | mallum: what does that one do? |
| 13:50.55 | mallum | koen: just gets rid of the titlebar area |
| 13:51.04 | mallum | koen: id scap it, if I could ipkg install scap |
| 13:51.49 | koen | just run the script on top of http://handhelds.org/scap/ |
| 13:52.33 | koen | the scap ipkg just installs that script |
| 13:55.39 | koen | mallum: remove some lists to speed it up |
| 13:56.13 | mallum | koen: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.7593.png |
| 13:56.49 | mallum | koen: doh I broke the close button |
| 13:56.51 | mallum | koen: one sec |
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| 13:57.55 | florian_kc | pb_: hello! |
| 13:58.18 | koen | hey pb_ |
| 13:59.11 | pb_ | hi all |
| 13:59.20 | mallum | why does the damn old style busy cursor keep showing |
| 14:00.41 | XorA | mallum: just tested a version with --enable-conmposite disabled, no difference |
| 14:04.26 | mallum | XorA: I just installed sylpheed-gtk2 from debian and configuration -> preferences works fine |
| 14:05.49 | XorA | mallum: just did same test on a Z, no window |
| 14:05.58 | XorA | mallum: but its there in "Program Manager" |
| 14:07.34 | mallum | XorA: no window at all ? |
| 14:07.51 | mallum | XorA: Maybe it something to do with random gpe gtk patches |
| 14:09.28 | florian_kc | mallum: the last time i checked i couldn't find any patches related to the window behaviour. |
| 14:10.12 | mallum | florian_kc: are you patching sylpheed ? |
| 14:10.35 | koen | only for tls support iirc |
| 14:11.37 | mallum | florian_kc: gpe-conf locks up if I launch it from desktop/menu but not from command line |
| 14:13.02 | florian_kc | mallum: that's strange... does this hapen with all gpe-conf tools? |
| 14:13.21 | XorA | mallum: there are no patches for gtk in firefox either |
| 14:13.23 | koen | look&feel is the main offender |
| 14:14.03 | mallum | florian_kc: I suspect its startup notify related maybe |
| 14:14.17 | mallum | XorA: firefox is too ok on my desktop with Xephyr |
| 14:14.30 | mallum | XorA: are you running softfloat ? |
| 14:15.02 | florian_kc | koen: hrmm... strange, okay... do we know anythign to limit this effect to a platform or screen size? |
| 14:15.34 | XorA | mallum: yes |
| 14:16.58 | mallum | XorA: hmm, I wonder if its somehow connected to that ( though that would be pretty unbelieveable if true ) |
| 14:18.51 | koen | florian_kc: nope |
| 14:19.05 | koen | mallum: you have an updated theme.xml yet? |
| 14:19.56 | florian_kc | koen: I can't reproduce this with 0.8.2 on a h3870 and a h5550. |
| 14:20.47 | mallum | koen: yeah |
| 14:21.12 | XorA | mallum: do you use float? |
| 14:21.30 | XorA | mallum: and the main question is I suppose, is do you use it differently in 9.4 over 9.3 |
| 14:22.19 | mallum | XorA: nope |
| 14:22.33 | mallum | XorA: its really odd problem |
| 14:22.53 | mallum | XorA: If I could reproduce I could figure whats wrong |
| 14:23.23 | mallum | XorA: the only other suggestion is to painfully try each commit between .3 and .4 and see what one it breaks on |
| 14:23.36 | mallum | XorA: that would give me an idea of whats causing it |
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| 14:24.50 | koen | a binary search would be less tedious |
| 14:26.27 | XorA | mallum: I cant work out how to get that info from websvn |
| 14:27.55 | koen | mallum: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.9513.png |
| 14:28.18 | koen | hola tigrux |
| 14:28.25 | XorA | mallum: now I have build system at work I can give it a go though, I shall play |
| 14:28.34 | tigrux | koen: Saludos koen! |
| 14:28.42 | florian_kc | hi tigrux |
| 14:29.03 | mallum | XorA: check the ChangeLog , that has dates of each commit |
| 14:29.29 | tigrux | florian_kc: Guten tag :-) |
| 14:29.31 | mallum | koen: better ? |
| 14:30.35 | koen | at the same level as the one with the panel space |
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| 15:24.17 | XorA | mallum: crap, just realised the matchbox-wm bb doesnt use CVSDATE |
| 15:24.31 | XorA | mallum: wasted an hour testing the same version over and over again :-( |
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| 15:25.31 | XorA | mallum: I shall restart tomorrow, its too late in the day for me |
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| 15:40.25 | dopez | anyone else here having trouble with gpe-nmf crashing when playing .ogg's ? (h3600 image) compiling a gpe-image with debug stuff so i can give more usefull feedback, but figured maybe someone else already figured it out |
| 15:48.15 | florian_kc | yes... i guess we have a problem with ogg libraries or gstreamer plugin in oe :-( |
| 15:50.35 | dopez | yeah, opie's mediaplayer2 has the same problem while opie-mediaplayer1 works okay (it has its own tremor libs) |
| 15:51.05 | dopez | i hope that if oe compiles okay with debugging and nostrip i can get a backtrace that is usefull |
| 15:51.30 | dopez | (couldnt get allot of opie to compile with those options in oe) |
| 15:54.08 | koen | it suffers from 2 problems: no one has figured out the right deps for oggs and current gstreamer doesn't compile, because of the new tremor and cairo |
| 15:54.32 | koen | yes mallum, it breaks because of cairo, now stop gloating ;) |
| 15:55.44 | dopez | hrm, is there anything i (a simple user) can try ? |
| 15:55.54 | fabian2_de | 2(koen2): how do you got to run the fingerprint sensor at your ipaq 5550? |
| 15:56.23 | koen | fabian2_de: http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/FingerprintScanner |
| 15:56.35 | koen | dopez: try to see which plugins are needed to play oggs |
| 15:57.06 | dopez | koen: until its stops segfaulting you mean? |
| 15:57.26 | koen | dopez: until it plays :) |
| 15:57.33 | dopez | fair enough :) |
| 15:58.30 | koen | it is entirely possible that it keeps segfaulting, though |
| 15:58.33 | fabian2_de | 2(koen2): yeah, i read it, then i were linked to http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/?page=software&sub=gpe-fsi and there was a link (Get if from here), but which files i nedd from there? |
| 15:58.51 | koen | only the ipkg |
| 15:59.19 | fabian2_de | "ipkg.py" ? |
| 15:59.22 | univac_ | koen: you have corgi? |
| 15:59.36 | koen | fabian2_de: gpe-fsi.ipk or something |
| 15:59.38 | koen | univac_: yes |
| 15:59.45 | univac_ | koen: i cant find corgi's fotos |
| 15:59.50 | dopez | koen: but if i can get a good backtrace that should be easily fixed then? |
| 16:00.02 | koen | dopez: I guess so |
| 16:00.38 | dopez | well, cool, lets hope i get it all compiled ;) |
| 16:00.39 | koen | univac_: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/corgi/images/corgi.jpg and http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/ipaq+z.jpg |
| 16:00.59 | univac_ | thanks |
| 16:01.33 | univac_ | nice :) |
| 16:01.57 | fabian2_de | 2(koen2): unfortunately there is no gpe-fsi.ipk, only an "gpe-fsi.bb", is that the one i need? |
| 16:02.10 | koen | no |
| 16:04.02 | koen | http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/gpe-fsi_0.1-r1_arm.ipk |
| 16:04.04 | koen | that one |
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| 16:07.38 | hrw | re |
| 16:07.52 | fabian2_de | 2(koen2): thank you for uploading! |
| 16:08.33 | univac_ | simpad is a nice machine |
| 16:13.14 | hrw | argh... I login into GPE as user... and all processes are owned by root ;( |
| 16:14.03 | florian_kc | oops?! |
| 16:15.15 | hrw | hrw has esd and x-terminal-emulator (but 'who' in it report only root) |
| 16:16.27 | hrw | I have only bad luck with gpe... 2 times tried on collie, now first try on husky |
| 16:17.22 | hrw | maybe later I'll try with official oz 3.5.3 image + 2.6 kernel fixes |
| 16:17.41 | florian_kc | yeah... someone really needs to take care about the zaurus images and integration. |
| 16:19.20 | hrw | so I'll wait for that |
| 16:20.47 | hrw | and thats enough gpe for now |
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| 16:53.53 | XorA|gone | hrw: official 3.5.3 + 2.6 doesnt work |
| 16:54.25 | XorA|gone | hrw: more than just the xserver-kdrive is different |
| 16:55.01 | hrw | XorA|gone: ok - I can wait for next official release. restored opie from nand |
| 16:55.36 | XorA|gone | hrw: pity, the image at http://hyboria.mine.nu/~dp was confirmed working |
| 16:56.13 | hrw | XorA|gone: ok - after some time I can try |
| 16:56.20 | hrw | not in next 2-3 weeks anyway |
| 16:56.25 | XorA|gone | hrw: it almost looks like your hrw user wasnt in fact created right, dont suppose by any chance its been hanging around since opie days or earlier |
| 16:58.49 | hrw | XorA|gone: probably you have right but I tried gpe to look how it looks now (last tried over half year ago) |
| 16:59.45 | hrw | XorA|gone: and I see that some stuff is changed, some is like it was. I know that some things can be fixed by up/downgrading some parts etc. |
| 17:01.26 | hrw | and I like my opie - it has some bugs which cannot be fixed but works |
| 17:01.45 | hrw | and it builds even with clean tmp/work/ ;) |
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| 17:02.57 | XorA|gone | hrw: cant blame auto* crud on gpe :-) |
| 17:03.07 | XorA|gone | anyway time for me to eat, cya |
| 17:03.19 | hrw | cu XorA|gone |
| 17:03.55 | fabian2_de | hm... my ipkg says, "No space left on device" is it enought to create a new destination in ipkg.conf? |
| 17:04.31 | hrw | fabian2_de: you can also free some space by moving lists_dir to /tmp/ (in /etc/ipkg.conf) |
| 17:04.54 | hrw | ok. I go shopping |
| 17:05.30 | fabian2_de | have fun! and thanks for your answer, but i don't know how to do it.... |
| 17:06.11 | koen | echo 'lists_dir ext /tmp' >> /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 17:06.13 | koen | (as root) |
| 17:06.39 | fabian2_de | okay, i'll try it |
| 17:07.16 | koen | and rm /usr/lib/ipkgs/lists/* |
| 17:07.31 | mallum | koen: does your c7x0 sleep/resume ok ? |
| 17:08.27 | hrw | cu |
| 17:08.30 | koen | last time I tested it did ok-ish |
| 17:08.41 | koen | I had to do a chvt 2 to get the x screen back |
| 17:08.47 | koen | or chvt 1 |
| 17:09.04 | fabian2_de | hm.....root@h3900:~# rm /usr/lib/ipkgs/lists/* |
| 17:09.04 | fabian2_de | rm: cannot remove `/usr/lib/ipkgs/lists/*': No such file or directory |
| 17:10.07 | mallum | koen: yeah I think a similar thing is happerning to me |
| 17:10.18 | mallum | koen: is there no where you can hook the chvt in ? |
| 17:10.39 | koen | in the /etc/apm*/ scripts? |
| 17:11.06 | mallum | yeah |
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| 17:49.37 | florian_kc | bbl |
| 17:51.15 | fabian2_de | hm... can anybody help me? i have chrashed my x-server and don't know how to reset the config. |
| 17:53.28 | koen | reset the pda |
| 17:54.10 | fabian2_de | i did... but then there were no reaction of the display.... i can only communicate with him by using the serial cradle |
| 17:59.08 | koen | try removing the battery for 30 minutes |
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| 18:05.03 | mallum | throw it against the wall |
| 18:05.12 | fabian2_de | rofl |
| 18:05.15 | mallum | it may not help the pda but it will make you feel better |
| 18:06.04 | koen | mallum: don't hurt the hx2750 |
| 18:06.57 | koen | the h5xxx deserve punishment, but not the hx2xxx ones :) |
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| 18:09.52 | mallum | koen: I have a 3100 |
| 18:10.28 | mallum | koen: will GPE run on it > |
| 18:10.31 | mallum | ? |
| 18:10.42 | koen | only if you use 0.7.2 |
| 18:10.53 | koen | nobody has added a kernel for the h3100 to OE yet |
| 18:11.07 | koen | the main trouble was the display iirc |
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| 18:15.26 | florian | re |
| 18:16.00 | koen | hey florian |
| 18:30.02 | RP | koen: Torturing the hx2750 is my job ;-) |
| 18:30.22 | koen | damn |
| 18:30.32 | koen | someone get me one off those jobs |
| 18:30.45 | koen | "break 4 gadgets a day" as a target |
| 18:31.26 | RP | koen: Note I didn't say break. I suspect that wouldn't be looked at favourably ;-) |
| 18:32.08 | RP | The trick is just to make it scream... |
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| 18:34.53 | koen | heh |
| 18:36.43 | koen | have you patented "the Purdie technique" yet? |
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| 18:38.37 | florian | pb_: wb |
| 18:38.53 | pb_ | re |
| 18:39.02 | RP | koen: I should have done :) |
| 18:40.03 | RP | hi pb_ |
| 18:40.10 | pb_ | hi rp |
| 18:40.44 | RP | pb_: What's your knowledge of pxa270 timers like? |
| 18:41.12 | pb_ | pretty much nonexistent. I've never really done anything with the pxa270. |
| 18:41.38 | florian | This looks like a hitory book... |
| 18:41.45 | florian | eh history |
| 18:41.48 | RP | pb_: This ipaq puts a 32khz signal out of CHOUT<1> yet none of the timer registers are set according to haret :-/ |
| 18:42.07 | pb_ | florian: :-/ |
| 18:42.34 | pb_ | RP: that does seem strange |
| 18:42.35 | RP | Well, none except the standard timer channels 0 and 1 while CHOUT<1> is connected to timer 11... |
| 18:43.59 | florian | pb_: I updated some stuff yesterday... the gpe-conf screenshot there was really funny :-) |
| 18:44.11 | pb_ | florian: heh. yeah, I saw those checkins. |
| 18:45.05 | koen | florian: could yo do s:/z/:/moin/moin.cgi/: on those pages ? |
| 18:45.21 | florian | I had luck doing some gpe stuff at work in the last weeks... but i can't find any sponsor for documentation ;-( |
| 18:45.38 | florian | koen: nope... that's still missing. |
| 18:47.16 | florian | Well.. what i updated yesterday is what i linked from the new kc open source website section... which i hope to get online tomorrow. |
| 18:47.51 | pb_ | ah, cool |
| 18:49.34 | florian | yeah... i have been waiting for more than a year to create this... now we have some reason to provide some open source stuff on our website and i took that chance to create a whole section. |
| 18:51.03 | pb_ | right, sounds great |
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| 18:52.49 | marcio | fhi everybody |
| 18:53.00 | marcio | florian, are you there? |
| 18:53.17 | florian | well... it's not that ingenious but it is a start... |
| 18:53.27 | florian | marcio: hello, yes... |
| 18:54.17 | marcio | Hi florian. I'm trying to get gpe-multisync working, and since you are the main plugin developer... |
| 18:54.24 | marcio | :-) |
| 18:55.04 | florian | marcio: well... i wrote the howto, the main developer is pb_ |
| 18:55.24 | florian | marcio: did you run into trouble? |
| 18:56.44 | marcio | I use Mandrake 10.2 (aka LE 2005) and I don't have the "(Error=libmimedir-0.2.so.0:..." just a libmimedir.so.0 and a libmimedir.so.0.0.3. Should I symlink? |
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| 18:58.19 | florian | marcio: yes, i'd try this... libmimedir is a nasty pice of software. |
| 18:58.41 | marcio | OK, I'll be right back :-) |
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| 19:04.21 | marcio | OK, I linked it to /usr/lib/libmimedir.so.0 and it works... sort of: after making a pair (Evo2 - GPE) it seems to work until this line: multisync: symbol lookup error: /usr/lib/multisync/gpe_sync.so: undefined symbol: mimedir_vcard_new_from_string. WHat's wrong? |
| 19:05.06 | koen | sounds like a wrong version off libmimedir |
| 19:06.04 | marcio | sooooo... is there a place to get the correct one? |
| 19:07.17 | marcio | I had WinCE installed until this afternoon and I'm determined to get gpe_multisync working |
| 19:07.53 | koen | I did 'apt-get install multisync libmultisync-plugin-all libmimedir-gnome0 libmimedir-gnome0-dev' and it worked |
| 19:09.35 | marcio | Ahhh yes, Debian... unfortunately, I use Mandrake. Can I kind of download those libs from Debian and extract it for Mandrake? |
| 19:09.49 | koen | you could |
| 19:09.59 | koen | or see if mandrake has a libmimedir-gnome too |
| 19:10.52 | marcio | I checked, I have all libmimedirs (2) in Mandrake. The ...-dev aren't installed |
| 19:13.39 | marcio | ...now they are, still the same problem... |
| 19:14.08 | koen | try http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/libmimedir-0.2.so.0 |
| 19:14.36 | marcio | THANKS koen, I just wanted to ask for that! |
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| 19:26.12 | marcio | so, this problem is solved, the next comes: I increased the debug mode and though it finds only one change (out of dozens), I can't find it in the IPAQ? |
| 19:27.58 | univac_ | when 0.8.3 familiar? :) |
| 19:28.28 | koen | never |
| 19:28.37 | koen | see http://familiar.handhelds.org |
| 19:29.56 | univac_ | bt 878 chodzi bez problemow? |
| 19:30.10 | univac_ | ups, sorry |
| 19:30.16 | univac_ | koen: 0.9? :) |
| 19:30.47 | koen | the plan is july 1st |
| 19:31.03 | univac_ | with 2.6 kernel? |
| 19:31.51 | koen | that is the goal |
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| 19:55.33 | pb_ | hi zecke |
| 20:02.28 | dopez | hm, 2.6 for all handhelds in 0.9 ? |
| 20:02.59 | koen | that probably won't happen, but h38xx and h39xx make a good chance |
| 20:03.33 | dopez | cool |
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| 20:04.00 | mimecar | hi |
| 20:04.11 | koen | hey mimecar |
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| 20:04.18 | mimecar | hi koen |
| 20:05.29 | mimecar | koen: where are you from ? |
| 20:05.58 | koen | the netherlands |
| 20:06.03 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 20:06.51 | reenoo | hi koen |
| 20:10.03 | mimecar | can todo columns be resized ? |
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| 20:22.48 | marcio | Great, gpe-multisync finally works. Should I try to do a wiki page with what I learned now, e.g. for users using other distros than Debian? |
| 20:23.39 | koen | try extending http://handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/GpeSync |
| 20:24.12 | ||cw | marcio: what distro? |
| 20:24.44 | florian | re |
| 20:24.46 | ||cw | I can't get gentoo amd64 to show me any plugins at all |
| 20:25.37 | marcio | OK, I'll try. Thanks koen and florian. cw: I use the latest Mandrake LE 2005... |
| 20:29.15 | ||cw | marcio: change as much of that wiki page as makes sence. I found quite a bit to be not quite right. |
| 20:31.34 | marcio | yeah, now I'm trying to find out how to edit it, seems I don't have the rights... |
| 20:31.45 | koen | create a login firsto |
| 20:31.53 | marcio | OK, thanks... |
| 20:42.53 | mimecar | is wiki in another languages as english ? |
| 20:43.21 | marcio | OK, is done. Not a lot but it might help. |
| 20:44.26 | marcio | Florian, could you update your gpe-multisync.tar.gz file to include that lib. At least for me, tha's all I needed to get it working |
| 20:44.40 | mimecar | hi florian |
| 20:46.31 | marcio | there was once a discussion about gpe-contacts slowing down when there was a lot of entries. Is this still correct? I might be having that problem :-) |
| 20:47.39 | mimecar | how many contacts marcio ? |
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| 20:49.20 | marcio | hmmm, something like 85 |
| 20:50.00 | mimecar | they are not many |
| 20:50.55 | mimecar | I have less contacts |
| 20:51.35 | marcio | OK, I thought it could be the fs getting fool, but that's OK as well hmm... |
| 20:51.48 | marcio | full that is.. |
| 20:52.35 | ||cw | marcio: there's an update, but the package is made for "unstable" |
| 20:53.26 | mimecar | is there a newsletter for bugs ? |
| 20:56.34 | marcio | I have 0.8.2 testing, so after an upgrade that should work? |
| 20:58.48 | mimecar | I don't know. I have a zaurus |
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| 21:04.10 | ||cw | marcio: i don't think it's in the feeds, check the list archives |
| 21:04.56 | ||cw | mimecar: there are mailing lists, and there is a bug track server, all linked off of handhelds.org |
| 21:05.12 | mimecar | I'm in mailing list |
| 21:05.22 | mimecar | is the same bugtracker than opie ? |
| 21:09.14 | florian | marcio: With gpe-contacts in 0.8.2 is will be a little bit slow, but we have an unstable package which is much better. |
| 21:09.14 | Philippe | good evening folks |
| 21:09.24 | florian | hey Philippe! |
| 21:10.43 | Philippe | I just tried gtkwebcore, to find out it also needs libxml2.... pff no html rendering libs that do not need that... Like this I am never going to get my helpviewer small enough to be usable :-( |
| 21:11.41 | Philippe | Good news is that some of the docs that were made for the netbook can be re-used.. |
| 21:23.10 | reenoo | Philippe: well.. does osb-browser work for you anyway? |
| 21:26.18 | Philippe | reeno: I haven't tested it. Didn't feel like it. I'll try now. |
| 21:27.33 | reenoo | Philippe: cool. thanks. |
| 21:29.57 | florian | Philippe: well... having a working solution is the firat step. i remember pb_ was able to replace the libxml2 code in several apps. i guess it might be possible somewhere else too. |
| 21:31.36 | tapo | hi |
| 21:32.00 | Philippe | florian, makes me think I still have to test my patches for libgpewidget. |
| 21:33.20 | florian | hi tapo |
| 21:33.43 | tapo | I had a questions. but it is not a gpe question :) |
| 21:33.45 | florian | Philippe: that would be a good idea :-) |
| 21:34.35 | reenoo | florian: it depends on what libxml2 is used for. GMarkup isn't up to handling complex XML IIRC |
| 21:34.53 | florian | tapo: It is a long time ago the last time we bit someone beeing offtopic ;-) |
| 21:35.13 | florian | reenoo: ah right... we would need to verify this. |
| 21:35.21 | tapo | ok, another one: I want to "link" a program into the "Utilities" Folder, but I could not find out where do it. |
| 21:35.50 | florian | tapo: you misunderstood :-) |
| 21:36.09 | tapo | florian: thats a gpe usability problem :) |
| 21:36.39 | koen | edit the .desktop file |
| 21:37.07 | florian | tapo: you have a field of strings to describe the purpose of the application. |
| 21:37.41 | florian | tapo: Categories=Application;Utility;GPE should make it end up on the utilities desk. |
| 21:38.33 | tapo | I just pressed backspace on the virtual keyboard and it started "calendar". strange. |
| 21:39.05 | reenoo | ~lart Sun |
| 21:40.12 | koen | florian: you want a praktika, or a proper russian camera? |
| 21:40.12 | tapo | where is that .desktop file? not in /home/t, neither in /home/t/.gpe |
| 21:40.23 | koen | /usr/share/applications |
| 21:40.24 | florian | tapo: oh cool... looks like there is a wrong keymap or keylaunchrc in that image. Is this OZ? |
| 21:40.37 | tapo | florian: yes, but started calendar only once |
| 21:40.48 | florian | reenoo: One more time for me please ;-) |
| 21:40.56 | florian | koen: *g* |
| 21:41.03 | tapo | other problem :). where is that .desktop, pleez ? :) |
| 21:41.12 | reenoo | ~lart Sun |
| 21:41.13 | tapo | oh |
| 21:41.15 | tapo | sry |
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| 21:42.22 | florian | imho you can have personal application .desktop files in ~/.applications |
| 21:42.54 | reenoo | florian: the reason for the lart is that Socket.isConnected() returns true even if the server is down |
| 21:43.16 | florian | koen: oh well... did i link this somewhere? maybe i should ;-) |
| 21:43.26 | reenoo | florian: which is obviously rather braindamaged |
| 21:43.40 | florian | reenoo: oh that sounds really clever ;-) |
| 21:43.57 | koen | florian: http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/gpe/ |
| 21:44.06 | reenoo | ~lart Sun one more time |
| 21:44.10 | florian | koen: sounds familiar :-) |
| 21:46.06 | koen | time for bed |
| 21:46.09 | koen | 'night all |
| 21:46.12 | tapo | night! |
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| 22:30.21 | marcio | by all |
| 22:41.11 | florian | hmmm 15:30 UTC == 17:30 CEST?! |
| 22:43.26 | reenoo | think so |
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| 22:44.21 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 22:44.56 | florian | reenoo: good night |
| 23:10.45 | Philippe | goodnight |
| 23:11.17 | florian | Philippe: good night |
