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| 00:19.25 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 00:30.24 | tigrux | Does anyone remember the name of the gpe file browser? |
| 00:35.49 | pb_ | gpe-filemanager? |
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| 08:33.57 | koen | 'morning all |
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| 08:52.12 | florian_hrz | good morning |
| 08:55.22 | koen | hey florian_hrz |
| 08:55.44 | florian_hrz | koen: hi |
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| 09:41.21 | koen | hey hadess |
| 09:41.32 | florian_hrz | hi hadess |
| 09:42.29 | hadess | hey koen, florian_hrz |
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| 09:48.34 | florian_hrz | morning tigrux |
| 09:48.37 | florian_hrz | morning pb_ |
| 09:48.49 | tigrux | florian_hrz: Master! Morgen! |
| 09:50.08 | koen | hey pb_ & tigrux |
| 09:50.27 | tigrux | Hello koen. I'm very happy with 0.8.1 :-) |
| 09:50.36 | koen | tigrux: good to hear |
| 09:51.00 | tigrux | koen: I have seen only a bug: My ipaq gets frozen when the USB cable is connected. :-( |
| 09:51.37 | tigrux | koen: The laptop brings usb0 up, but the ipaqs freezes! |
| 09:52.11 | florian_hrz | tigrux: try to do this manually... the laptop might be too fast. |
| 09:55.12 | koen | it's a stupid problem: hotplug is too fast and doing it manually is sometimes too slow |
| 09:56.51 | pb_ | florian_hrz: good morning! |
| 09:56.53 | pb_ | hi koen |
| 09:57.40 | tigrux | florian_hrz: Oki, I'll try manually. |
| 09:58.33 | tigrux | florian_hrz: But, usb net connection used to work with 0.7.2 without problems :-( |
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| 09:58.44 | koen | hey p0m |
| 09:59.41 | p0m | Hey koen. |
| 09:59.46 | florian_hrz | koen: uh? |
| 09:59.49 | p0m | Just (re)flashed 0.8.1 again. |
| 09:59.56 | florian_hrz | :-/ |
| 09:59.58 | p0m | I trashed the jffs root again. |
| 10:00.20 | p0m | Because the ipkg status database decided it didn't know what it had installed. |
| 10:01.21 | florian_hrz | oops.. ipkg needs to take care about space a little bit more :-/ |
| 10:02.20 | p0m | Indeed it does. |
| 10:02.29 | p0m | I had a weird error with it that I haven't been able to replicate. |
| 10:02.55 | p0m | It dumped the package lists in strangely named folders, along the lines of @ [ ae () etc. |
| 10:03.04 | p0m | With linebreaks in the names, so you couldn't delete htem without some trickery. |
| 10:03.27 | koen | p0m: yeah, that's fixed in ipkg 0.99.144 |
| 10:03.41 | p0m | koen: Is it built, or still in CVS? |
| 10:03.59 | p0m | Ipkg's list and status parser needs a boot in the arse. |
| 10:04.16 | florian_hrz | heh |
| 10:04.40 | p0m | I takes mine up to 5 minutes to realise it's meant to be downloading something, and tells you it is. |
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| 10:06.12 | florian_hrz | eeks |
| 10:06.21 | reenoo | morning |
| 10:06.42 | koen | hey reenoo |
| 10:07.16 | florian_hrz | hi reenoo |
| 10:07.21 | reenoo | hey koen |
| 10:07.26 | reenoo | moin florian_hrz |
| 10:09.44 | p0m | tigrux: They're not there. |
| 10:09.48 | p0m | Use the joypad. |
| 10:10.25 | reenoo | florian_hrz: thanks for closing that stupid bug btw :) |
| 10:10.58 | p0m | Stupid bug? Sounds like the "X must give Y $50" bug on the mozilla bugzilla. |
| 10:11.54 | tigrux | p0m: :-( |
| 10:12.46 | p0m | tigrux: Exactly the same as the ones in rvxt. |
| 10:13.00 | florian_hrz | reenoo: heh... but it was a bug |
| 10:13.35 | tigrux | p0m: rvxt has invisible sliders. They can't be seen, but they are there. |
| 10:14.19 | reenoo | florian_hrz: yeah, but the daily reminders are pretty annoying and shouldn't go through the mailing list if you ask me |
| 10:14.24 | p0m | tigrux: Touche. |
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| 10:18.00 | florian_hrz | reenoo: hmm yes and no... maybe we should have an extra ml for this kind of stuff. |
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| 10:22.50 | reenoo | florian_hrz: well.. I'm fine with the actual bug reports and replies going to the list. but the reminders have zero content and just produce mail traffic |
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| 10:24.24 | florian_hrz | reenoo: but it makes sure someone looks at the bug report :-) |
| 10:26.27 | tigrux | florian_hrz: Master, which is the name of the gpe-filemanager you have been writing? |
| 10:31.04 | florian_hrz | tigrux: gpe-filemanager :-) |
| 10:31.15 | tigrux | :-P |
| 10:31.26 | p0m | Whose is the gpe-filemanager2? |
| 10:31.55 | florian_hrz | p0m: an old namefor the same thing... or maybe some packages are misnamed :-/ |
| 10:32.12 | florian_hrz | p0m: did you see this in cvs tree? |
| 10:32.22 | florian_hrz | ibot: seen hallski? |
| 10:32.23 | ibot | hallski <~micke@h80n3fls303o1035.telia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #gpe, 33d 11h 22m 15s ago, saying: 'since that would mean we have something less messy'. |
| 10:32.24 | p0m | florian_hrz: No, unstable and world feed. |
| 10:32.38 | tigrux | florian_hrz: I can't find it in any feed of 0.8.1. :-/ |
| 10:32.49 | florian_hrz | hrm... |
| 10:33.11 | florian_hrz | tigrux: try gpe-filemanager2 like p0m says |
| 10:33.26 | p0m | Gpe-filemanager was broken. |
| 10:33.31 | p0m | And it needs a fair few libs. |
| 10:33.42 | p0m | sqlite, and a few of the gnome filesystem related ones. |
| 10:34.21 | reenoo | sqlite should be installed in any gpe image by default |
| 10:34.21 | koen | hmmm, it looks like gpe-fm didn't get built druing make-world |
| 10:34.41 | florian_hrz | ! |
| 10:34.54 | p0m | koen: Can I request that irssi have the --with-proxy compile option added? ;) |
| 10:35.14 | p0m | In the next make-world, that is. |
| 10:35.25 | florian_hrz | p0m: yes it currently pulls in a pile of libs... but we will be able to improve this very soon. |
| 10:35.44 | p0m | Cool. |
| 10:35.51 | koen | p0m: you'll have to ask the irssi .bb maintainer (kergoth) |
| 10:35.55 | p0m | Ahh. |
| 10:36.05 | p0m | Every time I go looking for him, he vanishes. |
| 10:36.06 | florian_hrz | p0m: I was told about gnome-vfs/dbus being available very soon. |
| 10:36.16 | koen | "Chris Larson <kergoth@handhelds.org>" |
| 10:36.26 | p0m | florian_hrz: Cool. |
| 10:37.19 | koen | glibc is packaging, so I can test a build of gpe-fm soon |
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| 10:38.53 | koen | hey mallum |
| 10:39.12 | p0m | Ditto. |
| 10:44.11 | mallum | hey koen , you geek |
| 10:44.32 | mallum | tigrux: ross was doing some stuff on fixing that |
| 10:44.35 | p0m | I'm a console junkie too, but I agree the GTKFileChooser is crap. |
| 10:46.15 | florian_hrz | morning mallum |
| 10:46.31 | florian_hrz | mallum: good guy :-) |
| 10:46.52 | koen | florian_hrz: any news from the nokia people? |
| 10:47.08 | koen | would it be an idea to poke jdub again? |
| 10:47.57 | florian_hrz | koen: not really... but quite a number of them at fosdem :-) |
| 10:48.38 | florian_hrz | koen: apart from gnome-vfs |
| 10:51.09 | koen | florian_hrz: did you get nelson's botmail? |
| 10:51.24 | florian_hrz | koen: no.. wait |
| 10:52.18 | florian_hrz | koen: he sent me an email as well... |
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| 10:52.55 | florian_hrz | from another channel: "...merging differences from florian_kc and florian_hrz into florian..." |
| 10:53.05 | florian_hrz | hi zecke |
| 10:53.15 | zecke | hey florian_hrz |
| 10:53.28 | koen | moin zecke |
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| 11:17.27 | koen | that looks funny |
| 11:20.10 | florian_hrz | :-) |
| 11:35.04 | reenoo | that was supposed to be reenoo|lunch |
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| 11:44.24 | koen | mallum: what was the problem again with multiple panels? |
| 11:46.36 | mallum | koen: gpe panel apps can only use the first one |
| 11:48.42 | koen | mallum: ok, but mb ones are ok? |
| 11:50.30 | mallum | koen: yep and it would be pretty easy to fix the gpe ones |
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| 12:19.29 | reenoo | koen: fwiw, gpe-filemanager builds now. I suspect it wasn't build because it depends on samba which had issues |
| 12:21.37 | florian_kc | ah right |
| 12:24.32 | florian_kc | ibot: seen nelson |
| 12:24.34 | ibot | nelson is currently on #gpe #handhelds.org |
| 12:24.52 | florian_kc | hmm indeed :-) |
| 12:24.59 | florian_kc | nelson: ping |
| 12:25.06 | reenoo | ~snackbot |
| 12:25.08 | ibot | ACTION gobbles up reenoo. |
| 12:26.37 | florian_kc | hmm... for some reason my coffee vanished :-/ |
| 12:27.39 | oramirez | magical coffee... |
| 12:28.20 | oramirez | brb.. |
| 12:34.31 | mallum | florian_kc: do you have visitor passes for cebit ? |
| 12:40.07 | koen | mallum: any idea on this: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/mb-err ? |
| 12:40.18 | florian_kc | mallum: that's an interesting question... |
| 12:49.53 | mallum | koen: bleh no |
| 12:50.50 | mallum | koen: try stabbing some of the deps and it appears there causing the errors |
| 12:51.05 | mallum | florian_kc: feel free to send some better ones ( or just make your own theme ) |
| 12:51.26 | mallum | florian_kc: the netmanager ones are actually pretty nice and could be used instead |
| 12:52.41 | mallum | koen: I wonder if kergoth ever finished his patch to the wireless app to use that lib ? |
| 12:53.13 | florian_kc | mallum: sounds like a good idea... i think even the old ones you used before were better. |
| 12:55.46 | mallum | florian_kc: I cant remember :( |
| 12:55.49 | koen | mallum: I don't know |
| 12:56.12 | mallum | koen: has the wireless tools package or what ever changed in oe ? |
| 12:56.22 | koen | mallum: I guess so, haven't checked |
| 12:57.09 | koen | GPE presentation: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/albums/fosdem05/IMG_7027.sized.jpg |
| 12:57.59 | mallum | koen: are you in that shot ? |
| 12:58.13 | koen | mallum: no, I'm taking the shot :) |
| 12:58.30 | mallum | koen: nice http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/albums/fosdem05/IMG_8358.sized.jpg |
| 12:58.46 | mallum | koen: even nicer http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/albums/fosdem05/IMG_8357.sized.jpg |
| 12:59.40 | koen | I missed breakfast because of that bathtub :) |
| 13:01.10 | koen | the beer drinking took place here: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/Gallery/fosdem05/IMG_7034 |
| 13:01.32 | florian_kc | mallum: they looked a little bit macish... |
| 13:01.44 | florian_kc | koen: nice.... |
| 13:02.07 | mallum | florian_kc: what did ? |
| 13:02.19 | florian_kc | mallum: these icons |
| 13:02.50 | mallum | florian_kc: what icons ? |
| 13:02.54 | koen | florian_kc: and nils with his almost useable cf camera :) |
| 13:03.14 | florian_kc | mallum: the wireless applet icons |
| 13:03.48 | florian_kc | koen: heh right... but in fact that's a toy... a camera must be something different ;-) |
| 13:03.59 | mallum | florian_kc: the netapplet ones or current ? |
| 13:07.52 | florian_kc | mallum: the old ones... |
| 13:08.52 | mallum | florian_kc: suggest some new ones then :) |
| 13:09.19 | reenoo | hrm |
| 13:09.22 | reenoo | $ grep GL config.h |
| 13:09.22 | reenoo | #define GLADE_XML_PREFIX "${prefix}/share" |
| 13:09.29 | florian_kc | mallum: ok... as soon as i have a free minute |
| 13:10.39 | reenoo | or rather why $datadir is expanded to "${prefix}/share" |
| 13:13.24 | florian_kc | reenoo: oops |
| 13:19.48 | koen | florian_kc: how does battery_count get computed in gpe-conf? |
| 13:21.28 | florian_kc | koen: only the ipaq supports more than one battery, that value should be returned from the kernel interface. |
| 13:21.38 | koen | aha |
| 13:22.06 | koen | aargh |
| 13:22.16 | koen | if (ioctl(TSfd, GET_BATTERY_STATUS, &battery_val) == 0) |
| 13:22.18 | koen | that one |
| 13:22.53 | florian_kc | koen: yeah... that's a little bit nasty on the ipaq. |
| 13:23.48 | koen | but that should detect the battery in my cf+ sleeve, right? |
| 13:25.44 | florian_kc | in theory yes, but sor some reason this doesn't work with latest kernels. |
| 13:34.59 | koen | florian_kc: any easy way to debug this? |
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| 13:42.11 | florian_kc | koen: not really... maybe jamey or pb_ have an idea what might be broken there. |
| 13:42.55 | koen | ok |
| 13:43.32 | koen | botmail for pb_ do you know why the ioctl fails to report the sleevebattery to gpe-conf? |
| 13:43.45 | koen | ~botmail for pb_ do you know why the ioctl fails to report the sleevebattery to gpe-conf? |
| 13:46.48 | reenoo | florian_kc: the expansion breakage is intended btw |
| 13:47.05 | reenoo | florian_kc: http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/autoconf-2.57/html_chapter/autoconf_17.html#SEC179 |
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| 13:51.52 | pb_ | koen: which ioctl? |
| 13:52.20 | koen | if (ioctl(TSfd, GET_BATTERY_STATUS, &battery_val) == 0) |
| 13:52.36 | pb_ | crumbs, gpe-conf is using that? |
| 13:52.41 | koen | yes |
| 13:52.59 | pb_ | wow, that's kind of retro. |
| 13:53.08 | pb_ | does the second battery show up in /proc/hal/battery? |
| 13:53.29 | pb_ | florian_kc: heh |
| 13:54.43 | koen | koen@drone:~$ cat /proc/hal/battery |
| 13:54.43 | koen | AC status : 1 (online) |
| 13:54.43 | koen | Battery #0 |
| 13:54.43 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.43 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.44 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.47 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.50 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.52 | koen | Battery #1 |
| 13:54.55 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.57 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.00 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:55.02 | koen | oops |
| 13:55.05 | koen | pb_: yes |
| 13:55.30 | pb_ | must be a bug in the touchscreen driver then, I guess. |
| 13:56.24 | koen | touchscreen driver? |
| 13:56.30 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 13:56.51 | reenoo | heh |
| 13:57.18 | koen | that explains the ts thing in battery.c |
| 13:57.46 | koen | I figured florian_kc was low on coffee when he wrote that |
| 13:58.31 | koen | using the ts driver for batteries sounds kinda funky |
| 13:59.33 | florian_kc | hmmm right... that code is pretty old, i took this from the old battery monitor application. need to rewrite this... |
| 13:59.55 | koen | hmmm, gpsdrive fails to compile too |
| 14:00.26 | koen | where does all this breakage come from? |
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| 14:14.02 | pb_ | what actually is the breakage? |
| 14:14.55 | koen | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:14.59 | koen | and more of that |
| 14:17.17 | pb_ | odd |
| 14:18.54 | koen | and it's after removing tmpdir and bk pulling |
| 14:35.19 | koen|kitchen | pb_: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4302459.stm |
| 14:36.56 | pb_ | heh |
| 14:44.11 | Cwiiis[uni] | I didn't think digital radio had taken off, I guess I'm wrong... I guess they probably don't count sales of devices that aren't dedicated analogue radios though |
| 15:04.27 | nelson | florian_kc: hi |
| 15:04.51 | florian_kc | nelson: got your mail... what do you need? |
| 15:13.31 | koen|kitchen | florian_kc: I scapped some more pics for the gallery |
| 15:14.32 | florian_kc | koen|kitchen: cool.... wait |
| 15:15.01 | koen|kitchen | including the cool background you sent me |
| 15:15.16 | Cwiiis[uni] | ah, I can do some scaps too if you need them :) |
| 15:15.44 | Cwiiis[uni] | Is Industrial the default theme now in Familiar btw? |
| 15:15.45 | florian_kc | koen|kitchen: hh.org gallery is still broken :-( |
| 15:16.09 | koen|kitchen | Cwiiis[uni]: it's my default theme :) |
| 15:17.09 | florian_kc | koen|kitchen: if the situation doesn't improve i'll install gallery on my machine at university. |
| 15:17.33 | koen|kitchen | or in ~florian |
| 15:18.33 | nelson | florian_kc: can you test the Integral's scap right now? |
| 15:18.43 | florian_kc | koen|kitchen: hmmm right, is this possible? |
| 15:18.52 | koen|kitchen | florian_kc: I think so |
| 15:19.07 | florian_kc | nelson: yes... let me try... |
| 15:21.42 | nelson | florian_kc: well, first, do this:MODEL=`cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep ^Hardware | sed "s/.* //"` |
| 15:21.48 | nelson | and tell me what MODEL gets set to. |
| 15:22.52 | florian_kc | nelson: "90200" |
| 15:23.59 | nelson | 320x240 or 240x320? |
| 15:25.01 | florian_kc | nelson: 240x320 native i think... |
| 15:25.20 | nelson | Okay, try a capture please. |
| 15:26.03 | florian_kc | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.32160.png |
| 15:26.12 | florian_kc | very good |
| 15:26.13 | nelson | cool! |
| 15:26.17 | florian_kc | nelson: many thanks! |
| 15:26.51 | florian_kc | ~hail nelson |
| 15:26.53 | ibot | ACTION bows down to nelson and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 15:31.18 | nelson | koen|kitchen: is it just me, or should the h5400 be rotated by default? |
| 15:31.32 | koen|kitchen | nelson: fbset wasn't in my PATH |
| 15:31.41 | nelson | ahhhh. |
| 15:32.41 | koen|kitchen | nelson: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.620.png |
| 15:34.52 | nelson | koen|kitchen: ahhhhh, there we go. |
| 15:40.09 | koen|kitchen | florian_kc: is your cool new key-config thing in a gconf release yet? |
| 15:46.58 | florian_kc | koen|kitchen: s/gconf/gpe-conf? |
| 15:47.40 | florian_kc | koen|kitchen: not yet... i intended to add a config file for simpad and the config stuff for kbdd first. |
| 15:48.29 | koen|kitchen | gpee-conf, I see |
| 15:49.01 | koen|kitchen | ugh |
| 15:49.05 | koen|kitchen | gpe-conf |
| 16:20.35 | koen|kitchen | grrr |
| 16:20.43 | koen|kitchen | now xset fails of the caddr thing |
| 16:20.44 | koen|kitchen | | xset.c:169: error: `caddr_t' undeclared (first use in this function) |
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| 17:32.45 | TyggerBob | Hey all |
| 17:32.55 | koen | hey TyggerBob |
| 17:32.55 | florian_kc | hi TyggerBob |
| 17:36.02 | TyggerBob | koen, my 5550 is on it's way from Hawaii |
| 17:36.18 | TyggerBob | poor thing's going to be all cold when it gets here ) |
| 17:36.20 | TyggerBob | :) |
| 17:37.46 | koen | heh |
| 17:38.00 | koen | finally gonna use a pxa255? |
| 17:38.24 | florian_kc | heh |
| 17:44.02 | TyggerBob | yeah... |
| 17:44.25 | TyggerBob | I'm "donating" my 5450 to our VA/Pentest business unit |
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| 17:45.33 | koen | hey Cwiiis[uni] |
| 17:50.03 | TyggerBob | koen, the guy I bought my iPAQ from forgot Canada was a separate country (cough) when he went to the post office, so it's delayed a day. |
| 17:50.12 | koen | hehe |
| 17:50.23 | pb_ | TyggerBob: heh, that old problem |
| 17:50.41 | koen|welding | bbl |
| 17:51.20 | TyggerBob | He's probably just pissed that we opted out of their ABM program this week |
| 18:03.38 | Cwiiis[uni] | hurray, internet's back up at home :D |
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| 18:24.12 | reenoo | pb_: happen to know how to call a function pointer that's a GCallback ? |
| 18:24.27 | reenoo | err |
| 18:25.22 | pb_ | reenoo: just invoke it. |
| 18:25.43 | pb_ | void f(GCallback c) { c(); } |
| 18:26.07 | reenoo | yeah, I just can't figure out how to pass arguments to it... |
| 18:26.24 | pb_ | you'll need to cast it to another type of function pointer. |
| 18:26.32 | pb_ | a GCallback takes no arguments, and returns no value. |
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| 20:01.43 | florian_kc | bbl |
| 20:13.46 | reenoo | pb_: wb |
| 20:13.57 | reenoo | pb_: got the callback to work btw. thanks |
| 20:14.45 | pb_ | cool |
| 20:21.32 | reenoo | ~lart glade |
| 20:21.37 | pb_ | hm, I wonder if I dare upgrade my mail server to debian testing. |
| 20:21.52 | pb_ | amavis seems to need all kinds of stuff that isn't packaged in woody. |
| 20:22.21 | zecke | pb_: ah Testing is SOON stable |
| 20:22.33 | pb_ | yeah |
| 20:22.48 | reenoo | hrm.. glade_xml_signal_connect doesn't return the handler id |
| 20:22.53 | zecke | OT: did anyone try to run Mono and Gtk on a iPAQ? |
| 20:23.10 | pb_ | zecke: I had a half-hearted attempt at adding Mono to OE last year. |
| 20:23.15 | pb_ | zecke: but I failed |
| 20:23.43 | zecke | but speedwise it should be fast enough? |
| 20:24.11 | zecke | reenoo: did you look at C# yet? It is perverse and a bad rip off of Java |
| 20:24.24 | pb_ | zecke: I have no idea. |
| 20:25.07 | pb_ | if you want to try it out, I think my mono.bb is in nonworking |
| 20:25.12 | reenoo | zecke: I wouln't expect mono to be anywhere near "fast" without an ARM JIT |
| 20:25.50 | reenoo | zecke: and a few things are actually quite interesting about C#. I wouldn't say it's a rip off |
| 20:26.05 | zecke | reenoo: yeah but look at the minimal program |
| 20:26.20 | reenoo | minimal program? |
| 20:26.25 | zecke | reenoo: they don't know when to capitalize a class names and when not..... |
| 20:27.16 | zecke | class Foo { public static void Main( string [] args ) { for(int i = 0; i < args.Length; ++i) Console.WriteLine( args[i] ); } } |
| 20:27.55 | zecke | reenoo: class string (kleinschreibung) but attributes and methods capitalized? |
| 20:28.23 | zecke | but yes I lack deeper knowledge of C# and CLI as well |
| 20:28.33 | zecke | and I'll now shut up as it is far too OT |
| 20:28.55 | zecke | pb_: I'll give it a shot (but currently Win XP occupies the machine) |
| 20:29.22 | pb_ | crumbs |
| 20:29.24 | reenoo | zecke: it may look a bit weird, yeah. but it's nothing compared to sablevm's source code ;) |
| 20:29.49 | reenoo | zecke: which wraps everything in funky m4 macros |
| 20:30.05 | pb_ | zecke: heh. it seems a bit harsh to judge a language based on the coding style of its example programs. |
| 20:30.50 | zecke | reenoo: main.c.in ;) *shouders* |
| 20:31.37 | zecke | pb_: Yeah but it is a OOP Language + HUGE API. And it would be strange to not follow the Style of the API |
| 20:32.37 | zecke | pb_: and AFAIK string is not a primitive type and I find it strange that one is forced to break the Coding Style with each and every app |
| 20:32.57 | zecke | and yes I'm a OOP guy and all for API consistency... |
| 20:33.08 | zecke | *call me stupid* |
| 20:35.55 | pb_ | zecke: I think "string" is as much a primitive type in C# as, say, "int". |
| 20:36.50 | zecke | so we've very primitive char, primitive int, string and complex class ;) |
| 20:36.51 | pb_ | both of them are shorthand names for (correctly capitalised) classes. |
| 20:36.55 | zecke | even more odd |
| 20:37.29 | pb_ | so, I think, you could write your example program using "System.String [] args" or some such, if you really wanted to. |
| 20:38.21 | zecke | I'm sure M$ has its reasoning but System.String still looks odd ;) |
| 20:39.54 | pb_ | heh. well, it seems reasonable enough to me. you have "System.String" for the purists who want to know that this is a class, and "string" for those who want to pretend it is a fundamental type. |
| 20:42.31 | pb_ | I think the same is true for all the other "fundamental" types. bool, char, int and so on all have System.Boolean kind of aliases. |
| 20:43.54 | zecke | pb_: is it really the same or like in Java Wrapper classes + Auto(Un)-Boxing |
| 20:45.35 | pb_ | zecke: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/csref/html/vclrfbuiltintypes.asp says that they are interchangeable |
| 20:46.15 | zecke | ok aliases |
| 20:46.43 | zecke | so M$ doesn't force one to write inconsistent code but makes it easy ;) |
| 20:47.05 | pb_ | it seems |
| 20:47.41 | zecke | compared to plain c (without glib) and C/Win32/MFC .NET + CLI + C# is a huge improvement |
| 20:48.55 | pb_ | yeah |
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| 20:52.41 | florian_hrz | re |
| 20:52.43 | zecke | hey florian_hrz |
| 20:55.51 | pb_ | florian_hrz: wb |
| 20:55.55 | pb_ | working late at the hrz? |
| 20:56.10 | florian_hrz | oops |
| 20:56.50 | florian_ | pb_: i'm sitting on my hrz laptop :-) |
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| 20:59.35 | florian_ | hi dougt |
| 21:00.53 | dougt | hi there. |
| 21:00.57 | dougt | anyone using 0.8.1? |
| 21:02.04 | pigeon | hello fellow gpers |
| 21:02.41 | dougt | hi pigeon |
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| 21:11.56 | mallum | doug1: hey |
| 21:12.18 | doug1 | hi mallum. |
| 21:12.20 | doug1 | question for you... |
| 21:12.40 | doug1 | trying to run minimo that I build in oe on 0.8.1 |
| 21:12.45 | doug1 | says I can't open display. |
| 21:13.08 | doug1 | then I tried xhost + and got the same error. any ideas? |
| 21:16.20 | mallum | doug1: whats DISPLAY set to ? |
| 21:16.43 | mallum | doug1: whats going down with pocketpc btw ? |
| 21:17.01 | mallum | doug1: are you getting funded for the pocketpc port ? |
| 21:18.50 | doug1 | DISPLAY isn't set |
| 21:19.09 | doug1 | the ppc port will be release in summer |
| 21:19.49 | doug1 | there is a working version but there are bugs that need to be resolved. |
| 21:21.18 | mallum | doug1: set DISPLAY=:0 |
| 21:21.31 | mallum | doug1: export DISPLAY=:0 rather |
| 21:21.44 | doug1 | thanks... let me try that. |
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| 21:29.45 | doug1 | that worked. |
| 21:30.00 | doug1 | so, it seams like when a new shell is started, display should be set correctly. |
| 21:32.24 | pb_ | it'll work if you start a new shell from within X (using rxvt, say) |
| 21:32.44 | pb_ | but, for remote logins over ssh or serial, you will need to set it manually |
| 21:36.06 | doug1 | i tried it from a new shell from with x. |
| 21:37.01 | pb_ | and DISPLAY was missing? that does sound like a bug. |
| 21:37.04 | pb_ | what did you do, exactly? |
| 21:40.23 | doug1 | so, I basically did this.... |
| 21:40.35 | doug1 | open a shell from the taskbar (the widget at the bottom of the screen) |
| 21:40.41 | doug1 | su - |
| 21:40.45 | doug1 | < password > |
| 21:40.45 | pb_ | ah |
| 21:40.52 | pb_ | "su -" will erase the environment |
| 21:40.53 | doug1 | then ./run.sh |
| 21:41.00 | pb_ | try just regular "su" |
| 21:41.18 | doug1 | i will -- my ipaq was just stolen by QA. ;-) |
| 21:41.22 | pb_ | heh |
| 21:41.44 | doug1 | su -, i thought, would give you the environment of root. |
| 21:42.05 | pb_ | it does, but it also erases all of your previous environment |
| 21:42.11 | pb_ | including $DISPLAY |
| 21:42.15 | doug1 | so, shouldn't DISPLAY for root be :0? |
| 21:42.43 | pb_ | no, not inherently. DISPLAY is a function of the display you are using at that instant. |
| 21:43.06 | pb_ | if you logged in over the network with ssh -X, you might have a completely different $DISPLAY setting. |
| 21:43.20 | doug1 | okay. |
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| 21:44.02 | reenoo | hey unknown26 |
| 21:44.09 | unknown26 | hi reenoo |
| 21:44.15 | pb_ | reenoo: heh, must be opie-mozilla |
| 21:44.30 | reenoo | pb_: :) |
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| 21:46.11 | unknown26 | hi florian_ |
| 21:46.58 | florian_ | hey unknown26! |
| 21:47.16 | reenoo | florian_: wb |
| 21:48.52 | unknown26 | florian_: Are there plans for an internal help system? I noticed something in the package manager under help when it said 'Help file not installed.' |
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| 21:50.15 | dc_ | hey |
| 21:50.15 | pb_ | dc_: g'day |
| 21:50.55 | reenoo | hey dc_ |
| 21:51.33 | florian_ | hey dc_ |
| 21:52.38 | florian_ | unknown26: basically yes... there is some very simple support for it in libgpewidget. |
| 21:56.29 | florian_ | unknown26: and we have a simple help browser independent from html browsers. |
| 22:01.41 | unknown26 | florian_: Cool, Is this on the default images? |
| 22:05.25 | florian_ | unknown26: not yet... it is not released so far and uses gtkhtml which is not that small. it is some inheritage from an ancient project... but i think it might be useful on devices without a browser. |
| 22:06.59 | unknown26 | florian_: So are you planning to use this instead of mozilla for local help viewing? |
| 22:08.13 | florian_ | unknown26: yes right... that is the plan. |
| 22:09.44 | florian_ | hrm... i forgot my ac-adapter at university :-/ |
| 22:10.29 | florian_ | koen: wb |
| 22:10.38 | koen | hey florian_ |
| 22:12.58 | doug1 | anyone want to push the Minimo tag forward and rebuild the ipkg? |
| 22:13.08 | doug1 | (don't have bk access) |
| 22:13.20 | koen | sure |
| 22:13.25 | koen | what do I need to alter? |
| 22:13.29 | pb_ | does it use a tag? I thought minimo was just floating. |
| 22:15.02 | koen | SRC_URI = "cvs://anonymous@cvs-mirror.mozilla.org/cvsroot;module=mozilla \ |
| 22:16.29 | doug1 | needs to be repackaged. |
| 22:16.38 | doug1 | and posted to the feed. |
| 22:17.02 | doug1 | i guess I can repost it, but it would be nice to get the changes back into bk. |
| 22:17.13 | koen | it's 0.3 now? |
| 22:17.22 | doug1 | i do have a new mozconfig file (the configuration options that control the mozilla build) |
| 22:17.26 | doug1 | no. |
| 22:17.32 | doug1 | waiting on some stuff that hasn't landed. |
| 22:17.45 | doug1 | spatial navigation is the big one. |
| 22:17.47 | pb_ | if you mail me a copy of your mozconfig, I'll check it in |
| 22:17.53 | doug1 | k. will do. |
| 22:18.00 | doug1 | i post a new build shortly. |
| 22:18.04 | pb_ | cool |
| 22:18.20 | doug1 | if you guys wanna give me feedback on the ui, that would be very helpful. |
| 22:18.30 | doug1 | what I think we need is someone with a sense of what the GPE platform should look like. |
| 22:18.53 | pb_ | righto |
| 22:19.01 | pb_ | I'll play with it tomorrow and send you mail |
| 22:19.08 | doug1 | that would be great. |
| 22:19.34 | koen | doug1: any timeframe on minimo for CE? |
| 22:20.07 | florian_ | doug1: sounds promising :-) |
| 22:20.10 | florian_ | koen: ! |
| 22:20.28 | koen | florian_: my h2200 isn't liberated yet |
| 22:20.33 | doug1 | koen: this is so the wrong forum! ;-) |
| 22:20.37 | koen | heh |
| 22:20.41 | doug1 | i really don't wanna be kicked. ;-) |
| 22:20.53 | florian_ | *g* |
| 22:21.16 | koen | and when are the gpe going to be ported to ce? |
| 22:21.20 | reenoo | this is not a forum and I doubt it anyone's got ops anyway |
| 22:22.25 | florian_ | heh indeed :-) |
| 22:23.37 | koen | I still need to find a way to get rid of the wince logo on my ipaqs without damaging the case |
| 22:24.15 | dc_ | oh deatr. |
| 22:24.22 | dc_ | I think my mythbox hdd is dying :( |
| 22:24.32 | koen | again? |
| 22:24.33 | pb_ | koen: on the older ones, you could scrape it off with a bit of patience. |
| 22:24.38 | pb_ | dc_: hell! |
| 22:24.53 | pb_ | dc_: I had that a few months ago, it was no fun |
| 22:24.56 | florian_ | yeah, but the newer ones are really tough |
| 22:25.02 | dc_ | X just randomly dies when I try to start things... and apt-get fails with E: Method http has died unexpectedly! |
| 22:25.18 | pb_ | are there any ide errors in dmesg? |
| 22:25.32 | pb_ | if not, that sounds more like bad ram or cpu overheating than a failing disk |
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| 22:25.44 | koen | hey p0m |
| 22:25.52 | p0m | Hey koen. |
| 22:26.18 | dc_ | hdd: drive_cmd: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 22:26.18 | dc_ | hdd: drive_cmd: error=0x04Aborted Command |
| 22:26.26 | dc_ | pb_: looks like hdd errors eh? |
| 22:26.29 | pb_ | dc_: that's bad, then |
| 22:26.30 | pb_ | yeah |
| 22:26.38 | dc_ | mmmm |
| 22:26.53 | koen | florian_: those H&W pads look nice |
| 22:27.00 | koen | (as most expensive gadgets do) |
| 22:27.21 | pb_ | dc_: could also check with smartctl to confirm it, but those messages look fairly conclusive |
| 22:28.05 | florian_ | koen: yes indeed... i like them too, but way to expensive. |
| 22:29.16 | dc_ | pb_: what to we think's the best way to reinstall... ubuntu? |
| 22:29.45 | koen | dc_: yiou could use the livecd to poke at the hd |
| 22:31.58 | pb_ | dc_: probably regular debian. The ubuntu people seem to discourage installing non-ubuntu packages on a ubuntu install, and I don't think mythtv is in ubuntu itself. |
| 22:34.52 | dc_ | it seems the myth debs work well so I can use the, |
| 22:35.04 | pb_ | ah right, cool |
| 22:35.07 | dc_ | pb_: got any kernel/driver debs around? |
| 22:35.24 | pb_ | dc_: I have the .ipks, which I guess you can install as if they were debs. |
| 22:35.34 | p0m | pb_: That's what I dislike about ubuntu, they say there's so much you can use, but they limit what you can use. |
| 22:35.41 | p0m | And the desktop is so bland and boring. |
| 22:36.23 | p0m | Hmm, is there a windows BitKeeper client? |
| 22:36.34 | dc_ | p0m: azureus? |
| 22:36.38 | dc_ | oh whoops |
| 22:37.03 | p0m | Heh, |
| 22:38.49 | koen | pb_: if the h5xxx sound patches work is that enough for hh37.6, or do you want to wait for the (theoretical) bt fix? |
| 22:39.22 | pb_ | koen: can you confirm that the sound stuff works? |
| 22:39.31 | pb_ | I haven't tried it myself, I just checked in the bits that Erik and Jim sent. |
| 22:39.44 | pb_ | if it does work, I guess we can go ahead and cut hh37.6. |
| 22:39.48 | koen | pb_: I'm going to build a HEAD kernel tomorrow to test |
| 22:39.55 | pb_ | very good |
| 22:40.23 | koen | ~hail florian_ |
| 22:40.25 | ibot | ACTION bows down to florian_ and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 22:40.30 | pb_ | my h5400 has 2.6 loaded at the moment. I should reinstall 2.4 to try out that bluetooth thing. |
| 22:40.35 | florian_ | hrm... need to change to a machine with more power |
| 22:40.39 | florian_ | brb |
| 22:40.42 | koen | openpower? |
| 22:42.01 | koen | pb_: could your change to gcc be messing with caddr_t; ? |
| 22:42.31 | koen | some stuff fails on that and grep show the gcc testsuite uses that a lot |
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| 22:43.10 | pb_ | koen: seems unlikely |
| 22:43.11 | florian_ | re |
| 22:43.11 | koen | hey florian_ |
| 22:43.19 | p0m | Bitkeeper seems to be quite evil with their licensing. |
| 22:43.42 | pb_ | p0m: yah. appearances are not deceptive in this case. |
| 22:44.04 | mallum | doug1: is there a fullscreen toogle in new minimo ? |
| 22:44.12 | p0m | I'm about to install the windows client, so I can edit a few .bb's. |
| 22:44.33 | p0m | kergoth isn't replying to me much, so I guess I'll just have to do it myself and submit. |
| 22:44.42 | koen | pb_ or florian_: does gpsdrive compile for you? |
| 22:44.55 | florian_ | koen: heh no... actually a Netbook, i really meant electrical power :) |
| 22:45.07 | koen | heh |
| 22:45.09 | p0m | Anyone know of someone willing to do OE compiles? |
| 22:45.22 | florian_ | hmm wait |
| 22:45.28 | p0m | Or a setup similiar to the skiffs, but with OE? |
| 22:47.14 | florian_ | koen: i'm trying a gpsdrive build... |
| 22:47.22 | koen | that should keep it busy for some time |
| 22:47.43 | koen | time for bed, will check OE in the morning |
| 22:47.46 | koen | 'night all |
| 22:47.53 | p0m | Night koen. |
| 22:48.00 | reenoo | 'night koen|sleep |
| 22:49.07 | florian_ | koen|sleep: good night |
| 22:50.54 | pb_ | koen|sleep: gpsdrive does not build for me |
| 22:51.11 | pb_ | I get the same tcsetattr() related lossage that you mentioned earlier |
| 22:55.22 | florian_ | pb_: i'm able to build it with the stuff from oe cvs... |
| 22:56.08 | pb_ | florian_: odd |
| 22:56.19 | pb_ | let me update the cvs tree |
| 22:56.37 | pb_ | I guess it's at least a week old right now |
| 23:00.08 | florian_ | pb_: you will break it ;-) |
| 23:00.08 | florian_ | oops |
| 23:02.42 | pb_ | florian_: heh |
| 23:02.46 | pb_ | probably |
| 23:04.25 | pb_ | florian_: try a cvs update now :-) |
| 23:09.28 | florian_ | pb_: ok |
| 23:14.10 | florian_ | pb_: these are quite some changes |
| 23:14.27 | pb_ | yeah |
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| 23:31.53 | reenoo | 'night all |
| 23:55.11 | florian_ | NIGHT |
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