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09:49.01 | koen | 'morning all |
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12:30.53 | florian_ | hi all |
12:33.03 | koen | hey florian_ |
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13:07.18 | florian_ | hey pb_ |
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13:14.09 | koen | hey pb_ and bedboi |
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13:26.59 | pb_ | florian: hello! |
13:27.34 | florian | ah this keyboard is better :-) |
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13:41.07 | reenoo | afternoon |
13:41.17 | pb_ | hi reenoo |
13:41.24 | reenoo | hey pb_ |
13:42.04 | florian | hi reenoo |
13:42.18 | koen | hey reenoo |
13:42.22 | reenoo | hey florian |
13:42.25 | reenoo | yo koen |
13:43.30 | koen | booting a 2.6 kernel on a h5550 can only be done by replacing /boot/zImage ? |
13:44.18 | pb_ | no, just install the new kernel as /boot/zImage-2.6 or something. |
13:44.53 | koen | how will bootldr now to boot that? |
13:45.40 | pb_ | oh, you want 2.6 to be the default? in that case, yeah, make it /boot/zImage, or set the default kernel in /boot/params. |
13:46.57 | koen | dual booting would be the best option right now |
13:52.18 | koen | pb_: 'boot jffs2 /boot/zImage-2.6' in bootldr would boot it? |
13:52.25 | pb_ | yes |
14:23.15 | reenoo | hmm.. the open graphics project sounds interesting. I wonder if one could do something similar with a pda as the goal |
14:25.35 | reenoo | (i.e. develop a pda with full specs available aimed at running linux/*bsd) |
14:26.24 | florian | reenoo: do you have a link? |
14:26.36 | reenoo | http://kerneltrap.org/node/4622 |
14:26.51 | pb_ | reenoo: yes, you certainly could, but it's not clear that it would make a lot of economic sense. |
14:27.53 | pb_ | the opengraphics thing is viable because you can start out with FPGAs, then move to standard cell ASICs (and, ultimately, custom ASICs) when your sales volumes justify it. |
14:28.31 | pb_ | with a handheld, you have to absorb a lot of up-front costs for mechanical design and case tooling before you can build any product. |
14:29.38 | florian | hmmm indeed... |
14:31.14 | florian | case production is really expensive and if you want a little bit more than just a case for a simple pcb and tft it starts to become rally nasty. |
14:31.25 | pb_ | right |
14:31.57 | pb_ | I think it would cost around 100000 euros to make a case comparable to those that the ipaq or zaurus have. |
14:32.50 | reenoo | hmm, too bad. |
14:33.35 | pb_ | it's also not completely clear to me that designing a new device would buy much. You would still have to use most of the same ASSPs that are in other devices, and this is where most of the problems are caused. |
14:35.38 | pb_ | on the ipaq, for example, we don't generally have a problem finding out details of the board-level design. The difficulty is that there is no programming information for chips like the ATI 3200. |
14:38.35 | reenoo | yah, I guess there's a lot more involved than what's "visible" to me |
14:40.22 | reenoo | as for the case.. I suppose one could start with a carbon fiber case. unfortunately that's not going to work out even in small numbers (too much manual work) |
14:41.20 | florian | That might be ok for a prototype, but they are not that cheap afaik. |
14:41.47 | pb_ | yeah |
14:42.05 | pb_ | for prototypes (say, 1-10 units) you can use stereolithography. But for anything more than that, injection moulding is about the only option. |
14:47.31 | reenoo | right |
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15:48.41 | koen | hey TygBob |
15:50.01 | TygBob | Heya koen |
15:50.05 | TygBob | how's it goin? |
15:50.17 | TygBob | gee, I'm a poet, and didn't know it |
15:50.25 | koen | heh |
15:50.27 | koen | pretty good |
15:50.33 | koen | how's it going with you? |
15:50.35 | TygBob | kinda lame, actually :) |
15:50.50 | TygBob | good.. wife's working today so I have all three kids to myself |
15:50.56 | TygBob | they're being "challenging" |
15:51.08 | TygBob | they're in their chairs having snacks right now.. |
15:51.17 | TygBob | so I'm have a brief coffee haitus |
15:51.37 | TygBob | %s/haitus/hiatus |
15:53.05 | TygBob | Did a bk pull and it looks like there's some interesting things in there today |
15:53.10 | koen | yeah |
15:53.38 | koen | minimo being the best change |
15:53.47 | TygBob | oo.. what's new with minimo? |
15:54.08 | TygBob | it's still too big for sectest, though, |
15:54.18 | koen | it now correctly obeys CVSDATE |
15:54.29 | TygBob | Ahh. cool. |
15:55.08 | TygBob | hey.. tell me what you think of this: |
15:55.42 | TygBob | I was thinking about a knoppix type distro that has bitbake setup on it. |
15:55.59 | TygBob | so I could pop it into my fast machine here for a quick build, if necessary. |
15:56.15 | TygBob | I guess the only problem would be that it would be out of date 30 secs after I made it. |
15:56.48 | TygBob | but if you could do a bk pull on the stuff in the ramdisk, then do your bitbake... |
15:57.50 | koen | sounds good |
15:58.06 | TygBob | just a thought.. |
15:58.31 | TygBob | making this machine dual boot into Linux isn't going to happen, so I'm looking at other alternatives. |
16:04.50 | koen | *sigh* |
16:05.22 | koen | the deadline for this assigment is way shorter than the bureaucratic roundtrip for the info I need |
16:08.33 | TygBob | That's no good. |
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17:13.21 | TygBob | why'd you have it out? |
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17:13.30 | koen | it hangs midboot |
17:14.28 | TygBob | Ahhh |
17:14.49 | TygBob | Did you modify anything to change the prefered rxvt-unicode version? |
17:15.08 | koen | no |
17:15.23 | koen | the only change I have locally is the fstab |
17:15.55 | TygBob | what did you change there? |
17:16.20 | koen | added the second bank of flash |
17:16.35 | TygBob | you change that to the default? |
17:16.44 | koen | yeah |
17:16.54 | koen | default /home that is |
17:16.56 | TygBob | very nice.. where are you mounting it to? please say /home |
17:17.10 | TygBob | great.. that's where I put mine anyway. |
17:18.07 | TygBob | And if anyone doesn't have that bank mapped, then it just fails relatively silently, eh? |
17:18.42 | koen | correct |
17:18.52 | TygBob | good idea. |
17:19.27 | TygBob | I have my wifi script sitting in /home to get it up and running right away after a reflash, so I can do the manual editing via SSH |
17:20.13 | koen | I need to write a script to copy back my interfaces, dropbear key, hostname and stuff |
17:20.46 | TygBob | there's a good idea.. |
17:21.00 | koen | after some hours of reading docs, testing and using tcpdump I can conclude that my broke ipv6 over cable |
17:21.49 | koen | which mean I can't test mobile-ipv6 with my powerbook and ipaq |
17:21.57 | koen | means* |
17:22.00 | TygBob | Ahhhh |
17:23.44 | pb_ | koen: can you elucidate on "my broke ipv6 over cable" at all? |
17:24.01 | koen | s/my/my uni/ |
17:24.08 | pb_ | ah |
17:24.09 | koen | they don't route back to me |
17:24.33 | koen | as they didn't change routes I guess my bits get routed back to the campus |
17:24.54 | koen | THey still can't explain why I get the adverts :) |
17:25.24 | koen | pb_: it works great using local link and familiar 0.8 |
17:25.45 | TygBob | so I can attach it to an iPAQ button. |
17:25.52 | pb_ | koen: ah, very good. I don't think anyone else has tested mipv6 recently. |
17:28.03 | koen | TygBob: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jamey_Hicks/talks/HP_IPv6_Seminar_April_2004.pdf |
17:28.22 | koen | 250+ pages of ipv6 goodness |
17:30.10 | koen | ah, the same in 65 pages: http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jamey_Hicks/talks/041118-ipv6.pdf |
17:32.52 | florian | bbl |
17:33.03 | koen | bye florian |
17:40.08 | TygBob | cool.. thanks |
17:40.47 | TygBob | my ssh tunneling to a localhost webserver on my office bitbake box seems to be working as a feed for ipkg :) |
17:40.55 | koen | heh |
17:42.39 | koen | pb_: the mipl docs talk about the "upcoming 2.6 version of the linux kernel" |
17:43.03 | pb_ | TygBob: heh, cool |
17:43.21 | pb_ | koen: doh |
17:43.21 | koen | looks like the mipl folks need to revise them |
17:43.58 | TygBob | or, at least it was until the iPAQ went to sleep :( |
17:44.27 | TygBob | working now |
17:44.47 | TygBob | hey.. kernel upgrade |
17:50.59 | TygBob | pb_, do you know if anyone's looking at that PCMCIA interrupt issue with the sleeves? |
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17:53.28 | florian_kc | re |
17:53.34 | koen | hey florian_kc |
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17:56.37 | koen | hey Cwiiis |
17:56.45 | Cwiiis | Hey koen |
17:58.21 | koen | aaargh |
17:58.22 | TygBob | Hi Cwiiis |
17:58.28 | koen | I solved my midboot hangs |
17:58.33 | Cwiiis | Hey TygBob |
17:59.35 | pb_ | TygBob: which issue was that, again? |
18:00.53 | TygBob | with pcmcia based ethernet |
18:01.29 | TygBob | where it's very slow, with lots of dropped heartbeat/ interrupt messages |
18:01.45 | TygBob | unless you do a ping out, for some reason, in which case it seems to certainly work better. |
18:02.01 | pb_ | ah, right, that one. no, I don't think anyone is looking at it right now. |
18:02.09 | TygBob | it's in the familiar bugtrack from a while ago. |
18:02.38 | TygBob | no crisis. the ping thing helps, but it's limiting wrt to using the iPAQ for VA's |
18:02.54 | TygBob | Don't want to be pinging away in the middle of a test. |
18:03.00 | pb_ | heh |
18:03.07 | TygBob | hrm.. |
18:03.24 | pb_ | florian_kc: wb |
18:03.33 | TygBob | re florian_kc |
18:03.40 | TygBob | nothing after tux |
18:03.50 | TygBob | time to check it on the serial console. |
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18:16.32 | koen | TygBob: try using this on the ipaq: http://freedesktop.org/~mallum/xdamagevnc it's not 100% stable, but it works well enough |
18:17.55 | florian_ | pb_: about this sdk issue we talked about yesterday: isn't the arm-linux-gcc crosscompiler supposed to call the binutils with arm-linux prefix? |
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18:18.08 | rob_w|pda | hi |
18:19.07 | koen | hey rob_w|pda |
18:19.32 | TyggerBob | hrm.. no inittab.. |
18:19.37 | rob_w|pda | oh minimo does ssl , good job |
18:19.40 | pb_ | florian_: no |
18:22.11 | TyggerBob | hrm.. it's in the rootfs on for my image build, but doesn't seem to have made it into my /etc dir |
18:23.14 | TyggerBob | any way to copy individual files onto the iPAQ through bootldr? |
18:23.16 | TyggerBob | probably not, eh? |
18:24.20 | pb_ | no |
18:25.09 | koen | pb_: should bootstrap depend on sysvinit-inittab? |
18:25.15 | pb_ | no |
19:04.06 | koen|tv | booking a trip? |
19:04.16 | pb_ | yah, trying too. |
19:04.19 | pb_ | s/too/to/ |
19:04.44 | pb_ | sadly it keeps changing the price for the flight I want. |
19:04.53 | koen|tv | yeah |
19:04.59 | pb_ | (in an upwards direction) |
19:05.35 | koen|tv | the fare to bordeaux increased sixfold when I wanted to fly around 8 am |
19:05.48 | pb_ | heh |
19:06.13 | pb_ | yah, I could understand the fare going up if I was actually changing any of the details. |
19:06.39 | koen|tv | that's certainly very strange |
19:07.05 | pb_ | in this case, I go to the flight search screen and it offers me one price. I click on "choose this flight", it thinks for a bit, and then says "oh, we're sorry, the price for this flight has gone up". |
19:07.24 | pb_ | at first I thought it was just my bad luck, but if I go back to the start and search again, it still offers me the lower price at the first stage. |
19:08.01 | pb_ | hrm. www.aua.com seems to be the slowest website on the planet. |
19:09.47 | pb_ | doh |
19:09.49 | pb_ | 403 Forbidden |
19:10.13 | pb_ | maybe it doesn't like my mozilla. |
19:10.29 | koen|tv | aargh |
19:10.48 | koen|tv | my uni put the human factor back into the online registration thingy |
19:11.34 | koen|tv | now I have to wait till tomorrow morning to see which books I need |
19:12.38 | pb_ | heh, oh dear |
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19:37.44 | pb_ | oh well. looks like expedia is as good as it gets. |
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20:23.51 | pb_ | hi zecke |
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20:50.47 | koen|tv | hmmm, I probably will offend him when I send this: http://dominion.kabel.utwente.nl/koen/pda/files/reply |
20:51.57 | reenoo | don't feed the troll |
20:52.26 | reenoo | I'm pretty pissed about that one as well but it's no use really |
20:52.34 | koen|tv | that's why I clicked the X instead of the send button |
20:52.51 | koen|tv | let's ignore him and hope he goes away |
20:55.14 | koen|tv | looks like mickeyl put on some flameretardent materials |
21:08.54 | reenoo | heh. yeah. great response |
21:09.38 | reenoo | a lot of truth in it actually |
21:10.42 | reenoo | the "1000s of users complaining" part in particular :/ |
21:21.31 | TygBob | koen|tv, LOL.. I bet that was therapeutic, though, eh? |
21:21.42 | koen|tv | indeed |
21:22.16 | TygBob | Gotta run.. gotta make supper for the squirts. |
21:22.30 | koen|tv | TygBob: good luck |
21:22.37 | TygBob | Mom's got a staff meeting this arternoon |
21:22.42 | TygBob | afternoon, even |
21:23.00 | TygBob | shake and bake pork chops, mashed potatoes and green beans.. |
21:23.08 | TygBob | later all |
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21:38.41 | florian_ | re |
21:38.58 | koen|tv | florian_: wb |
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21:48.57 | koen|tv | hey mallum |
21:51.16 | mallum | hey mr koen|tv |
21:54.15 | mallum | koen|tv, hows it going ? good weekend ? |
21:54.46 | mallum | florian_, about ? |
21:55.01 | koen|tv | mallum: pretty good |
21:55.27 | koen|tv | got my grades back, the lowest being 7.6 out of 10 :) |
21:55.34 | mallum | koen|tv, rock :) |
21:55.38 | mallum | well done |
22:03.22 | Cwiiis | Good going koen|tv :) |
22:04.11 | koen|tv | Cwiiis: thanks, did you get any grades back? |
22:05.01 | Cwiiis | koen|tv: No exam grades back, had a few courseworks - All been good so far :) My exams are still going, got 3 more in the coming week and then they're over... The 3 I've done so far have gone quite well though, so I'm feeling fairly happy about things at the moment :) Still got lots of revision to do though... |
22:05.23 | koen|tv | sounds good |
22:05.42 | koen|tv | the new semester start tomorrow, so I'll be busy the next month |
22:08.43 | florian_ | bbl |
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22:23.21 | Cwiiis | koen|tv: Heh, I'm looking forward to my new semester - finally some time to work on OE again :) hehe |
22:33.31 | Cwiiis | koen|tv: So do I :p hehe - I'll fix it as soon as my exams are over hopefully |
22:38.29 | koen|tv | mallum: are there plans to support inotify in mb? |
22:38.55 | mallum | koen|tv, yeah definetly |
22:39.01 | koen|tv | cool |
22:39.13 | mallum | koen|tv, maybe use gamin or something though |
22:39.26 | koen|tv | yeah, gamin looks pretty nice |
22:39.39 | mallum | koen|tv, I started hacking a mbdesktop using the gtk icon view() |
22:40.14 | mallum | koen|tv, but it didn't really do enough, I spoke to andersca and it seems it may be best to wait for 2.7 when it has custom cell renderers |
22:42.36 | koen|tv | what's the gain in using gtk? |
22:43.31 | mallum | more memory, slower start up ;-) |
22:43.48 | mallum | but the desktop is kind of stuck using just xlib |
22:44.17 | mallum | I have some ideas of things to do but I need a toolkit to do that |
22:44.20 | koen|tv | what happened to xcb btw? |
22:44.33 | mallum | its still there |
22:44.50 | koen|tv | still being "not yet ready"? |
22:45.10 | mallum | I think it has a xlib compatability layer is there but most of the extensions are not covered |
22:45.35 | koen|tv | what kind of cool things were you thinking about? |
22:45.56 | mallum | well a better way of scrolling for a start |
22:46.35 | koen|tv | mallum: your mb demo page with swf is cool |
22:46.57 | mallum | thanks, I need to make some more of new mb |
22:46.59 | koen|tv | xdamagevnc worked on my ipaq :) |
22:47.05 | koen|tv | and shorter ones |
22:47.24 | mallum | :) |
22:48.02 | koen|tv | the vnc makes it look slow btw |
22:48.10 | mallum | yeah I know |
22:48.43 | mallum | I dunno what to do about that |
22:49.29 | mallum | Im guessing judging from posts on p.g.o , someone will hack a damage->swf converter soon avoiding vnc |
22:49.35 | mallum | that should work much better |
22:50.05 | koen|tv | or use the xvidcap replacement from the e people |
22:50.15 | mallum | you have a url for that ? |
22:51.31 | koen|tv | 'enthrall' in e cvs |
22:51.49 | koen|tv | according to my email archive of e-devel |
22:55.24 | mallum | hmm seems a bit crappy |
22:55.35 | mallum | still needs mencoder |
22:55.46 | mallum | and dont use damamge |
22:56.58 | koen|tv | I guess you have to wait for the damage->swf thing |
22:57.54 | mallum | yeah |
22:58.00 | mallum | I would like to hack it myself |
22:58.14 | mallum | but feel someone may beat me to it ;) |
22:59.25 | pigeon | hmm |
23:00.37 | koen | pigeon: what's the matter? |
23:00.48 | pigeon | nothing, hi koen and mallum! |
23:00.55 | koen | hi pigeon |
23:00.57 | mallum | hey mr pigeon |
23:01.06 | pigeon | just got my attention when you guys talk about swf |
23:02.59 | mallum | pigeon, have you played with libming at all ? |
23:03.15 | pigeon | no... only swfdec a little bit. |
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23:09.13 | koen | 'night all |
23:09.33 | koen | mallum: if ross has problems with the h5550, let me know |
23:09.48 | mallum | koen|sleep, thanks, g'night |
23:12.34 | pigeon | nite koen |
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23:16.35 | pb_ | hi pigeon |
23:21.19 | pigeon | yo pb_! |
23:21.44 | pb_ | pigeon: heh, just booked a trip to linux.conf.au in April |
23:21.52 | pigeon | :O |
23:22.16 | pigeon | we're trying to convince our boss to bring the whole company to go. |
23:22.35 | pb_ | very good :-) |
23:22.47 | pigeon | (we have 8 developers including the boss) |
23:23.42 | mallum | pb_, cool :) |
23:23.53 | pigeon | anyway, we will have a few going, considering one of us might be one of the organizers. |
23:24.08 | pigeon | and so i'll definitely go too somehow. |
23:25.09 | pb_ | mallum: will you be there as well? |
23:25.14 | pb_ | pigeon: excellent |
23:26.06 | mallum | pb_, no, I dont think I could handle the flish to oz :/ |
23:26.14 | mallum | s/flish/flight/ |
23:26.15 | mallum | heh |
23:26.25 | pigeon | hehehe |
23:26.27 | pb_ | yah, it does sound like a bit of an ordeal |
23:26.36 | mallum | yeah I really dont like flying |
23:30.01 | pigeon | mallum: at least, wait when it's at sydney or brisbane |
23:30.01 | mallum | pigeon, yeah would like to go to .au one day |
23:30.01 | mallum | pigeon, by boat or something ;) |
23:30.01 | pb_ | hehe |
23:30.11 | pigeon | wee... boat... |
23:30.14 | mallum | gonna sleep now, g'night all |
23:30.20 | pigeon | nite mallum |
23:30.27 | pigeon | ops |
23:30.31 | pb_ | too slow |
23:32.20 | pigeon | :( |
23:34.08 | pb_ | pigeon: I think I'll spend the week before LCA in Sydney or somewhere like that. doesn't really seem worth visiting australia for only one week. |
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