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| 08:44.02 | florian | hi all |
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| 08:58.23 | reenoo | hi |
| 08:58.58 | florian | reenoo: hiu |
| 08:59.28 | reenoo | hey florian |
| 08:59.40 | reenoo | <-- got a h3870 |
| 08:59.43 | reenoo | :) |
| 08:59.52 | florian | hey, cool :-) |
| 09:00.47 | reenoo | time to feed the beast |
| 09:01.09 | reenoo | is there some special howto on getting gpe onto it? |
| 09:01.26 | reenoo | or just follow the instructions for familiar? |
| 09:07.59 | florian | just follow the instructions, it's pretty easy :-) |
| 09:08.13 | reenoo | ok |
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| 09:16.21 | dc_ | yauy |
| 09:16.24 | dc_ | hey guys |
| 09:16.50 | dc_ | running BitchX on my webserver :] |
| 09:17.03 | dc_ | through a java ssh client, how fun. |
| 09:17.42 | dc_ | now all I need is an http vnc client and I can do gpe development any timte. |
| 09:18.07 | florian | hey dc_ |
| 09:18.13 | dc_ | hey florian |
| 09:18.23 | florian | yeah, cool... |
| 09:18.29 | dc_ | everyone else is still asleep I'll assume |
| 09:20.53 | florian | yes... looks so, pb_ is mabe up, but at arm at the moment... |
| 09:21.02 | dc_ | ah-ha |
| 09:21.07 | dc_ | being owned by arm. |
| 09:21.24 | dc_ | hrm, I have biology at 10:40.. |
| 09:27.12 | dc_ | ja |
| 09:27.20 | dc_ | see you guys later, lesson time. |
| 09:31.19 | reenoo | florian: familiar 0.7.1 or 0.7.2 or... ? |
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| 09:44.37 | florian | reenoo: 0.7.2 is not released yet... |
| 09:45.54 | reenoo | florian: it's listed as an option on http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.7/install/download.html that's why I ask ;) |
| 09:57.05 | reenoo | oh 404 anyway |
| 09:58.10 | florian | yes it is, no idea who had this stupid idea... you are not the first one asking... |
| 09:58.30 | reenoo | hehehe |
| 09:58.34 | reenoo | nevermind |
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| 10:25.11 | sangamon | oops! |
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| 11:45.10 | nebula | getting a document.queryform.query.focus() |
| 11:45.11 | nebula | error |
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| 13:54.08 | reenoo | hmm... |
| 13:54.36 | reenoo | no matter what I do to the gz backup files... gzip says they're ok !? |
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| 13:59.45 | reenoo | bbl |
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| 14:43.05 | mallum | hey jg |
| 14:50.37 | florian | mallum: hi |
| 14:50.43 | mallum | hey florian :-) |
| 14:50.47 | mallum | florian: whats new ? |
| 14:50.48 | florian | hello jg |
| 14:51.25 | florian | mallum: A large number of mbdesktop bugs ;-) |
| 14:51.48 | mallum | florian: I dont see anything on bugs.openedhand.com ;-) |
| 14:51.56 | florian | mallum: Forget it, just a joke... :-) |
| 14:52.34 | mallum | florian: no new bugs really then ? |
| 14:52.40 | florian | mallum: I think you didn't miss that much of interest... |
| 14:53.16 | mallum | florian: ok, any mbmerlin hackings ? |
| 14:53.43 | florian | mallum: I managed to kill mbdesktop a few days ago by rotating the display... |
| 14:54.35 | mallum | florian: okay, can you reliably replicate it ? |
| 14:55.17 | florian | mallum: I think nothing new, but i'm not sure about what i did before you diappeared... |
| 14:56.09 | mallum | florian: the binary config loading speedup I think |
| 14:56.20 | mallum | florian: anyone done any work on gpe and oz ? |
| 14:56.45 | reenoo | re |
| 14:56.50 | reenoo | hi mallum |
| 14:56.50 | mallum | hey reenoo |
| 14:57.16 | florian | mallum: ah ok, i think that was the last change i did. |
| 14:57.25 | reenoo | mallum: JFYI http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27729 |
| 14:58.09 | mallum | reenoo: ah rock :-) |
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| 14:58.25 | mallum | reenoo: did you get mb packaged ? |
| 14:59.20 | reenoo | mallum: yeah. just wasn't sure whether to use xsettings-client or Xsettings-client for the package name of the lib |
| 14:59.24 | florian | mallum: I remember some people talking about this, but i don't know about someone working on it. |
| 14:59.44 | reenoo | mallum: and it's hard to change that afterwards ;) |
| 15:00.07 | mallum | ok |
| 15:01.17 | florian | mallum: Ole's handwriting recognition project is in cvs now afaik. |
| 15:01.34 | mallum | florian: ah cool, any good ? |
| 15:03.07 | florian | I have lots of work at kc and if i find a free minute i try to hack a library interface for ipkg or find out why the h5xxx ipaq doesn't work. |
| 15:03.35 | florian | mallum: seems to work basically - but still much to do... |
| 15:10.06 | reenoo | shouldn't gzip -t file.gz spew errors at me if file.gz is corrupt? |
| 15:11.26 | reenoo | (still trying to verify the backups of my ipaq's pocket pc) |
| 15:35.34 | florian | ryan5400_: not yet :-/ |
| 15:35.44 | ryan5400_ | oh |
| 15:36.04 | ryan5400_ | would all of you please hop off this channel... |
| 15:36.37 | florian | ryan5400_: at the moment i'm fighting with simpler things... e.g. connecting it to a network |
| 15:36.55 | ryan5400_ | florian: what unstable image? |
| 15:37.11 | ryan5400_ | something was screwed in the head with unstable 5, im not sure about 6 |
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| 16:09.59 | reenoo | ok... created backup files once again... tranferred them to my desktop system... cmp show no difference between the new and the old backup files... is it safe to assume that the files are ok now? |
| 16:12.16 | florian | hm yes, why not.... |
| 16:13.19 | reenoo | if I delete/insert random chars in the .gz files gunzip -vt still says "OK" |
| 16:13.34 | reenoo | that made me wonder :/ |
| 16:16.48 | florian | huh? ah yes... i'm not sure how gzip works, maybe it has a directory block |
| 16:19.58 | reenoo | don't know details on the gzip format. still gunzip -vt seems like a bad idea to verify the images if you ask me |
| 16:21.12 | florian | what happens if you unzip it completely? |
| 16:21.31 | reenoo | no errors either |
| 16:21.39 | florian | strange... |
| 16:21.55 | reenoo | indeed |
| 16:25.15 | reenoo | same results on a debian woody box btw |
| 16:32.30 | reenoo | :( |
| 16:33.04 | reenoo | bbl |
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| 16:38.06 | florian | hi pb_ |
| 16:38.18 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 16:39.23 | mallum | hi pb_ |
| 16:39.39 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 16:39.45 | pb_ | enjoyed your honeymoon? |
| 16:40.09 | mallum | pb_: yeah really good |
| 16:40.16 | mallum | pb_: no computers for 3 weeks |
| 16:43.44 | mallum | pb_: Japan is pretty insane |
| 16:44.53 | pb_ | which part of Japan were you in? |
| 16:45.14 | mallum | pb_: tokyo and then kyoto |
| 16:45.29 | mallum | pb_: and then back to tokyo again |
| 16:46.10 | pb_ | ah, cool |
| 16:46.40 | pb_ | I'd like to go to Kyoto sometime. |
| 16:46.45 | mallum | pb_: y6ou've been to japan before right ? |
| 16:47.07 | mallum | pb_: yeah kyoto was a little more historic / scenic and less hectic than tokyo |
| 16:47.19 | florian | bbl |
| 16:48.03 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, I've been to Tokyo. haven't really seen any of the rest of the country though. |
| 16:48.44 | mallum | pb_: pretty overwelming tokyo |
| 16:49.37 | pb_ | heh, yeah |
| 16:53.49 | mallum | I will scan in photo's soon and put them up |
| 16:54.14 | pb_ | cool |
| 16:57.06 | reenoo | re |
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| 17:41.12 | mallum | pb_: have I missed any exciting gpe developments ? |
| 17:42.27 | ade|desk | mallum: gpe is now going to use qt |
| 17:44.30 | reenoo | heh |
| 17:44.32 | mallum | ade|desk: hehe |
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| 17:55.55 | pb_ | mallum: hm, not particularly that I recall. could try installing the unstable6 image if you want to see the state of the art. |
| 17:56.43 | mallum | pb_: have you had a chance to do much with your c750 ? |
| 17:56.51 | pb_ | no, nothing at all really. |
| 17:57.11 | pb_ | it's languishing in my pile of unused hardware at the moment. |
| 17:57.34 | pb_ | I was kind of hoping to get to it later this week, but then I've been hoping that for ages. |
| 17:57.46 | mallum | yeah know what you mean :/ |
| 18:05.46 | pb_ | reenoo: good plan |
| 18:06.01 | pb_ | you can always download wince_image from the net if you lose yours, anyway. |
| 18:06.16 | reenoo | ah good :) |
| 18:08.43 | reenoo | synce seems to work nicely btw |
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| 18:16.22 | florian | re |
| 18:16.30 | reenoo | florian: wb |
| 18:39.38 | pb_ | re |
| 18:39.40 | pb_ | florian: wb |
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| 19:04.01 | nilsf | Umm... how is vcard-import supposed to be used? |
| 19:04.28 | nilsf | With current unstable6 I get "unable to open a temporary database file for storing temporary tables" |
| 19:04.32 | mallum | hey nilsf |
| 19:04.46 | nilsf | mallum: Hey Matthew! Back from "vacation"!? |
| 19:05.03 | nilsf | mallum: Everything fine? |
| 19:05.22 | mallum | nilsf: yeah everything good :-) |
| 19:05.28 | nilsf | Perfect! |
| 19:05.52 | nilsf | How was honeymoon? Had a nice trip? |
| 19:06.11 | mallum | yeah really really nice, wedding went well too |
| 19:06.26 | ade|home | mallum: congrats |
| 19:06.26 | mallum | apart from I got my name wrong in vows :/ |
| 19:06.37 | mallum | ade|home: thanks |
| 19:06.58 | ade|home | mallum: i, mallum, take .... |
| 19:07.23 | ade|home | mallum: i, matthew ... ? |
| 19:07.54 | mallum | ade|home: I said one of my middle names as my first |
| 19:08.01 | mallum | ade|home: very nervous |
| 19:08.08 | ade|home | mallum: oops |
| 19:11.15 | ade|desk | mallum: i can imagine, i wont have that worry for a year or so :) |
| 19:15.38 | reenoo | "You appear to have a valid OHH Bootloader 2.20.4 in flash." |
| 19:15.46 | reenoo | now to see if that's true :) |
| 19:16.07 | ade|desk | reenoo: its appears we lied |
| 19:16.26 | nilsf | pb_: There? |
| 19:16.41 | ade|desk | reenoo: you now have a paper weight |
| 19:17.30 | pb_ | nilsf: yep, but only for about a minute. I need to rush into the village imminently to catch a bus. |
| 19:18.03 | nilsf | Ph oh.. |
| 19:18.15 | nilsf | I found a bug in unstable6, tmp is not world writable anymore! |
| 19:18.22 | pb_ | Whoops. |
| 19:18.29 | nilsf | And it should also have "+t" set ... |
| 19:18.49 | pb_ | Yeah. Can you file a bug about that, and make it block 969? |
| 19:18.51 | nilsf | Dunno what could have changed it... |
| 19:19.06 | nilsf | Oh well, I love bugzilla ;) |
| 19:19.22 | pb_ | heh, cool |
| 19:19.29 | nilsf | CU |
| 19:36.00 | florian | re |
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| 19:46.26 | florian | oops |
| 20:14.10 | florian | ipkg makes me become crazy :-/ |
| 20:14.32 | sangamon | why? |
| 20:16.04 | florian | I'm trying to design an interface for a ipkg library... many options need to be set for each command :-/ |
| 20:23.03 | sangamon | oh :-\ |
| 20:25.10 | reenoo | florian: any recommendations for bluetooth hardware that is available in .de? |
| 20:25.40 | reenoo | (need some card/etc. for my desktop system) |
| 20:28.28 | florian | reenoo: Yep, Reichelt sells cheap USB - Bluetooth adapters for less than EUR 30. |
| 20:28.53 | reenoo | florian: ok, I'll have a look |
| 20:29.15 | florian | reenoo: Both types (Yakumo and FibreLine) work fine :-) |
| 20:29.26 | reenoo | neat |
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| 20:34.36 | florian | HET2: wb |
| 20:35.01 | HET2 | thx |
| 20:43.20 | reenoo | yay |
| 20:43.32 | reenoo | gpe up and running :) |
| 20:43.35 | reenoo | woot |
| 20:45.16 | florian | ahh :-)) |
| 20:45.40 | florian | Another good reason :-) |
| 20:54.49 | reenoo | hmm... |
| 20:54.58 | reenoo | is there a default root pw? |
| 20:55.10 | florian | yep, "rootme" |
| 20:55.35 | reenoo | works |
| 20:55.42 | florian | Someone should add this on BIG red letters to familiar _download_ page! |
| 20:56.11 | reenoo | hehehe |
| 20:56.32 | reenoo | it's just that the user I created doesn't work ;) |
| 20:58.15 | florian | eh? |
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| 20:59.33 | reenoo | dunno... maybe I forgot the passwd already ;) |
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| 21:37.59 | dc_ | hey guys |
| 21:38.04 | dc_ | mallum: hey! |
| 21:38.09 | florian | hi dc_ |
| 21:38.14 | sangamon | after installing gpe2 0.7 on a 3600 there seems to be not much room left |
| 21:38.15 | dc_ | hey florian |
| 21:38.52 | florian | sangamon: yes, this is true - looks like we need to work on the footprint :-/ |
| 21:39.38 | florian | sangamon: But you could remobe stuff you don't need e.g. browser, bluetooth stuff or some games. |
| 21:39.57 | sangamon | but do they add up to more than 1-2 megs? |
| 21:40.51 | sangamon | I made a program to mangle the output of "ipkg status" and sort the packages after size |
| 21:40.58 | ade|desk | if you remove the bluetooth/3800 crap you save 308 K |
| 21:41.19 | sangamon | hmm, I need 3-4 M, I think |
| 21:41.32 | ade|desk | thats a lot to remove |
| 21:41.38 | sangamon | yes |
| 21:41.39 | reenoo | <-- all happy with his ipaq now :) |
| 21:41.45 | dc_ | :] |
| 21:41.47 | sangamon | I'm not sure it's possible |
| 21:41.53 | ade|desk | dillo and the games might free another 400K |
| 21:42.28 | sangamon | yes, I have to consider the strategies here |
| 21:42.55 | sangamon | Irdamodules are 198702 irda-modules |
| 21:42.59 | ade|desk | need the mp3/ogg player? |
| 21:43.11 | sangamon | no |
| 21:43.16 | sangamon | whats "359774 gstreamer" ? |
| 21:43.24 | sangamon | (number is size) |
| 21:43.49 | sangamon | 114740 nfs-modules |
| 21:43.50 | ade|desk | thats the bit for the audio mp3/ogg player |
| 21:44.01 | sangamon | 70584 libdictionary |
| 21:44.56 | florian | sangamon: gstreamer is the media player backend for gpe-nmf |
| 21:45.18 | florian | oh, nfs is large! |
| 21:45.51 | ade|desk | need usbnet ? |
| 21:46.05 | sangamon | no |
| 21:47.07 | ade|desk | hmm doesn't save alot |
| 21:47.11 | sangamon | so, perhaps: BT 308, nfs 114, muzak 359+113, ppp 100, dict 70. Thats about a meg. |
| 21:47.30 | sangamon | a fresh gpe2 is about 14,5 M |
| 21:47.36 | ade|desk | what do you need the extra room for ? |
| 21:47.41 | sangamon | drugs |
| 21:48.06 | sangamon | so some cleaning makes about 2,5 M free |
| 21:48.12 | sangamon | ade|desk: just kiddding :D |
| 21:48.40 | ade|desk | seriously , what needs so much space? |
| 21:48.52 | sangamon | I saved a major amount of time by using python for some web-client stuff |
| 21:49.00 | sangamon | but that is development time |
| 21:49.18 | sangamon | python takes 2,5 M and my code takes about 0.5 M |
| 21:49.31 | ade|desk | ah |
| 21:49.45 | ade|desk | need all python modules ? |
| 21:49.46 | sangamon | If I cannot use python then I have to code the whole web-client in C |
| 21:50.10 | ade|desk | might be easier to slap into a smaller space |
| 21:50.14 | sangamon | ade|desk: yes, it seems so. Using the web-client stuff in python sucks most of the modules in |
| 21:50.16 | ade|desk | and run faster too |
| 21:50.29 | sangamon | ade|desk: speed is not a problem |
| 21:50.43 | sangamon | ade|desk: otherwise you are right of course |
| 21:51.25 | sangamon | I have to do some thinking about this. |
| 21:51.48 | sangamon | It works like a charm on a 37* or a 38* |
| 21:52.01 | ade|desk | sangamon: is this going to be a multi purpose ipaq or very one op device? |
| 21:52.17 | florian | sangamon: Do you intend to use this in a kind of "production" state or just for development? |
| 21:52.27 | sangamon | hopefully it will be a one op thing |
| 21:52.38 | sangamon | florian: hopefully production |
| 21:52.55 | ade|desk | then you might be better off with bootstrap + minimal X |
| 21:53.08 | sangamon | I need gtk |
| 21:53.13 | ade|desk | 1 or 2? |
| 21:53.17 | sangamon | 2 |
| 21:53.24 | sangamon | but 1 is ok |
| 21:53.39 | ade|desk | gtk1 is a bit smaller |
| 21:53.45 | florian | sangamon: Ah ok, for development a simple cf carm may help :-) |
| 21:54.10 | sangamon | hmm, yes. Good thinking :-) |
| 21:55.08 | florian | sangamon: In this case remove all gpe pim apps and maybe libsqlite and stuff like gpe-clock. |
| 21:55.27 | sangamon | who uses libsqlite? |
| 21:55.32 | sangamon | (which app?) |
| 21:55.35 | ade|desk | and the gpe-confiig could also go |
| 21:55.45 | ade|desk | calendar |
| 21:56.30 | sangamon | Yes, that is probably another 0,5 M. Then I'd be home :) |
| 21:57.04 | florian | most gpe pim applications, ah.. and gpe-confd... better don't remove it :-) |
| 21:57.26 | ade|desk | yeah just noticed that, gpe-confd |
| 21:57.30 | ade|desk | bugger |
| 21:58.25 | sangamon | but games, calendar, calculator, sketchbook is ok to remove? |
| 21:58.53 | florian | yep |
| 21:58.58 | sangamon | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:59.23 | ade|desk | i'd work from base up, bootstrap then add X, libgtk2 and a WM |
| 21:59.31 | florian | if you don't want to configure wlan unsing the gui, yes |
| 22:00.07 | sangamon | yes |
| 22:00.17 | ade|desk | is this a dum user device? |
| 22:00.26 | sangamon | dumb? |
| 22:00.31 | ade|desk | i cant spell |
| 22:00.35 | sangamon | :D |
| 22:00.42 | sangamon | Yes, so far |
| 22:01.02 | sangamon | but my project manager got really impressed by the pim stuff |
| 22:01.02 | ade|desk | so the less config options the less they can stuff up |
| 22:01.35 | ade|desk | fixed settings on boot is a safer option and takes less space |
| 22:01.37 | sangamon | the other day he said "hey, this looks interesting, maybe we can use this other stuff as well?" |
| 22:01.47 | ade|desk | ah |
| 22:01.53 | ade|desk | damn PM |
| 22:02.05 | ade|desk | are they never happy |
| 22:02.12 | sangamon | and in the next breath he tells me to try to cut as many corners as possible :-D |
| 22:02.23 | florian | without contacts dou won't need libmimedir* too. |
| 22:02.30 | sangamon | ah, yes |
| 22:02.53 | sangamon | But now I think I can do it :) |
| 22:03.18 | sangamon | You guys are great :) |
| 22:03.35 | florian | :-) |
| 22:03.37 | ade|desk | or you could solder in a bigger flash chips |
| 22:03.49 | sangamon | And i'm so happy not being forced to do this in win-ce |
| 22:04.21 | ade|desk | can you write to the flash under wince these days ? |
| 22:04.55 | sangamon | i dunno, I removed wince the first thing on my ipaqs |
| 22:05.21 | dc_ | night, school at 6 tomorrow. |
| 22:05.34 | dc_ | but I get home at 1pm, only 1 lesson :] |
| 22:05.42 | sangamon | dc_: cheers |
| 22:05.46 | sangamon | is the RAM used for all data storage under wince? |
| 22:05.58 | mallum | dc_: hi! |
| 22:06.10 | dc_ | mallum: hey! I'm a college boy now. |
| 22:06.11 | dc_ | :} |
| 22:06.34 | mallum | dc_: hehe, cool |
| 22:06.43 | dc_ | mallum: biology, chemistry, electronics engineering and physiology next year. |
| 22:06.54 | mallum | dc_: nice, a levels ? |
| 22:06.55 | dc_ | bah |
| 22:07.17 | dc_ | psychology |
| 22:07.19 | dc_ | even. |
| 22:07.26 | dc_ | silly auto spell checker. |
| 22:07.30 | dc_ | mallum: yep |
| 22:07.38 | florian | sangamon: yep |
| 22:07.38 | mallum | cool |
| 22:08.02 | dc_ | night then. |
| 22:08.04 | dc_ | :} |
| 22:08.07 | florian | dc_: night |
| 22:12.56 | florian | night all! |
| 22:19.31 | ade|desk | sangamon: yeah all in RAM |
| 22:21.18 | sangamon | ah, ok. Interesting. |
| 22:21.30 | Kirvus | I was backing up my wince today before installing familiar and I noticed that the boot blaster only saved two files; the boot and the wince. What about the asset file? |
| 22:51.03 | ade|desk | sangamon: there is nothing stopping you from using the nvrd to add space |
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| 23:20.43 | pb_ | re |
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