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| 05:43.52 | nelson | gpe2 is SO not ready for prime time. |
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| 06:30.51 | drkness | hi guys does anyone know the optiong for float emulation for the arm-linux-gcc compiler? |
| 06:31.25 | drkness | -msoft-float doesn't seem to work nor does -msoftfloat |
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| 09:31.16 | florian_ | hi all! |
| 09:31.20 | PaxAnima | hi, florian_ |
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| 09:38.12 | pb_ | hi chaps |
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| 10:08.41 | cmarqu_werk | Hullo pb_ |
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| 11:52.09 | florian | cmarqu_werk: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.4884.png |
| 11:58.09 | cmarqu_werk | florian: Oh, nice. Now we only need a "write config file" button :) |
| 12:02.30 | florian | cmarqu_werk: this is a port of cardinfo, first i'll add the rest of the cardinfo functions. |
| 12:03.33 | cmarqu_werk | Nice. Will it show what module is supposed to be loaded according to the config file, and if the module is loaded right now? |
| 12:03.40 | florian | cmarqu_werk: then the code to change/create a config |
| 12:05.12 | cmarqu_werk | Great. |
| 12:05.32 | florian | cmarqu_werk: at the moment it shows the description of the entry in config that was used for this card and some status information. |
| 12:05.59 | cmarqu_werk | What cardinfo did you look at? The XForms based one or the one from Debian (which is http://www.ne.jp/asahi/linux/timecop/cardinfo_src.tar.gz apparently)? |
| 12:06.26 | florian | cmarqu_werk: the xforms based... |
| 12:06.47 | florian | porting was quite easy... |
| 12:07.05 | florian | but first i definitely need to make this gui look nicer! |
| 12:09.02 | cmarqu_werk | The non-bold stuff should be indented a bit, but the rest is cool enough. |
| 12:11.33 | florian | i think i'll change this vbox to a table... and make the flag labels normal/invert for off/on |
| 12:12.36 | cmarqu_werk | I kind of like the flags as they are. Maybe explain them a little bit |
| 12:13.12 | cmarqu_werk | "ready" could be in a green font. |
| 12:13.54 | florian | yes, this is a cool idea... |
| 12:14.28 | florian | maybe i could use the device type information to add a cool looking icon :-) |
| 12:14.44 | pb_ | Yeah, excellent idea. |
| 12:16.23 | cmarqu_werk | Indeed. And if it's a storage card, be able to mount/umout it and brwose it in gpe-filemanager. |
| 12:16.53 | florian | additionally i'd like to add 6 function buttons for malual socket control(reset card,eject,insert,suspend,resume,reset cardmgr) |
| 12:17.55 | florian | cmarqu_werk: hu yes - this would be really nice... |
| 12:20.51 | cmarqu_werk | Also, please make all the text selectable if you haven't done so already. |
| 12:25.32 | cmarqu_werk | Ah, pre7 packages. |
| 12:25.52 | florian | selectable? why this? |
| 12:26.45 | cmarqu_werk | florian: So that you can copy the text if you want to. |
| 12:28.10 | cmarqu_werk | florian: http://familiar.handhelds.org/releases/v0.7/ says [Errata] * gpe-conf doesn't create a directory for a new user. |
| 12:28.19 | cmarqu_werk | This is fixed, right? |
| 12:29.16 | florian | yep, it is... |
| 12:29.50 | florian | lunchtime... bbl |
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| 12:50.39 | pb_ | hi mccarthy |
| 12:50.44 | mccarthy | hi pb |
| 12:51.09 | mccarthy | still hacking out the exceptions thingie |
| 12:51.15 | pb_ | ah right |
| 12:51.35 | mccarthy | pb_: how do I "refresh" a db entry? (i.e., once it is editted in the event-ui.c) |
| 12:52.58 | pb_ | event_db_flush I think |
| 12:53.18 | mccarthy | pb_: ok. that what I thought too, but it is acting weird.... I'll figure itout |
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| 12:53.52 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 12:54.13 | jsmanrique | have you seen Miguel de Icaza interview? |
| 12:54.36 | jsmanrique | Mono JIT for Familiar is being under development |
| 12:54.40 | pb_ | not me |
| 12:54.42 | pb_ | ah, that's cool. |
| 12:54.44 | jsmanrique | and mint already runs |
| 12:55.02 | jsmanrique | http://www.go-mono.com/images/familiar-mint-hello.png |
| 12:55.37 | jsmanrique | pb_: http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3170 |
| 12:56.04 | jsmanrique | a group of Sweden is working in Mono to Xscale port |
| 12:56.20 | jsmanrique | and Miguel has brought CVS access to new JIT to them |
| 12:56.34 | jsmanrique | new JIT is even faster and more portable |
| 12:57.22 | pb_ | yeah, I'm just reading the article now. looks cool. |
| 12:58.39 | mccarthy | pb_: how can I check what the alarm increment is? (i.e., I always assume that it is so-and-so *minutes* before the alarm, but somebody keeps re-activating the other options ;) |
| 13:00.06 | pb_ | mccarthy: check in what sense? I think in the event_details it's always stored in seconds. |
| 13:00.50 | mccarthy | pb_: I do not agree, but I can check....I think even_details simply stores the *number* in the little box thing |
| 13:01.20 | pb_ | mccarthy: ah, that would be an error. |
| 13:01.30 | pb_ | perhaps I should have said that it _should_ always be stored in seconds. |
| 13:01.44 | mccarthy | pb_: ok. I will agree with that :) |
| 13:02.26 | pb_ | event-ui should be responsible for converting it to and from the form that the user sees. |
| 13:02.59 | pb_ | eg if it's a multiple of 3600, it should be shown in hours; if it's a multiple of 86400, in days, and so on. |
| 13:03.03 | mccarthy | pb_: event_ui does no such thing |
| 13:03.10 | pb_ | okay. |
| 13:03.27 | pb_ | I'd regard that as a deficiency in event-ui then. |
| 13:03.28 | mccarthy | pb_: it simply sets ev->alarm equal to the spin_button value |
| 13:03.37 | pb_ | right |
| 13:03.52 | mccarthy | pb_: so we need to query the drop-down menu and multiply that number by something |
| 13:03.55 | pb_ | yep |
| 13:04.07 | mccarthy | pb_: so how do we query it? |
| 13:04.12 | pb_ | gtk_option_menu_get_history () |
| 13:04.31 | pb_ | that will give you the index of the selected item (0=first, 1=second, etc). |
| 13:04.43 | mccarthy | pb_: it returns an int? |
| 13:04.47 | pb_ | yep |
| 13:04.50 | mccarthy | cool |
| 13:04.55 | pb_ | then you can use that as the index into a table of multipliers, or a switch statement, or something. |
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| 13:11.18 | mccarthy | pb_: can I get rid of the months entry? (an possibly years) It makes the multiplier difficult... |
| 13:11.48 | mccarthy | (does anyone really want an alarm *months* before the event?!) |
| 13:11.49 | pb_ | yeah, I guess so. Seems unlikely people are going to want reminders that far in advance. |
| 13:14.52 | cmarqu_werk | Months... maybe for flights. |
| 13:15.20 | mccarthy | cmarqu_werk: but you could do several weeks if you wanted to then |
| 13:16.14 | cmarqu_werk | Yeah. |
| 13:17.11 | jsmanrique | see you later |
| 13:17.47 | jsmanrique | at least people is working in Mono JIT for Familiar, since Portable.NET runs too :-) |
| 13:17.58 | jsmanrique | see you later |
| 13:37.27 | mccarthy | pb_: ack! I am hopelessly confused now.... |
| 13:37.41 | mccarthy | pb_: the damn clones versus real things is killing me... |
| 13:38.21 | PaxAnima | tha attack of the clones? |
| 13:38.29 | PaxAnima | mccarthy: what's wrong? |
| 13:38.34 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: something like that :) |
| 13:40.16 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: I am just confusing myself by having a "real" event gslist with "real" events and then a whole bunch of other gslists that have either a combination of real and cloned events or simply is all clones....then I have to find the real event if I edit anything and sometimes the clone doesnt know everything that the real events knows and.....I am just a bad programmer ;) |
| 13:43.01 | PaxAnima | heh.. why don't you mark the events that are cloned? |
| 13:43.16 | pb_ | mccarthy: you probably ought to destroy all the clones and build them again whenever the real event that they are attached to is modified. |
| 13:43.17 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: I do, but I am still confused.... |
| 13:44.25 | mccarthy | pb_: question. How come when I make the clones in the first place....they dont remember the flags list? (I have to explicitly save it) |
| 13:44.50 | mccarthy | I do : |
| 13:44.55 | mccarthy | event_t n = event_db__alloc_event (); |
| 13:44.55 | mccarthy | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:45.17 | mccarthy | but I still need to set the ev->flags |
| 13:45.55 | mccarthy | I think to make life simpler I will use *all* clones (even for non-recurring events...) |
| 13:50.29 | pb_ | mccarthy: dunno |
| 13:51.33 | pb_ | mccarthy: btw, can't you just use event_db_clone()? |
| 13:53.56 | mccarthy | pb_: I do. Thats what event_db_clone does |
| 13:54.55 | pb_ | mccarthy: ah, I see. |
| 13:55.15 | pb_ | mccarthy: it doesn't set the flags, though; are you saying the current version just doesn't work? |
| 13:55.47 | mccarthy | pb_: No. I am wondering why the current version *has* to set the flags manually insteda of "learning" them from the memcpy |
| 13:56.32 | pb_ | mccarthy: the only thing it does manually is set the CLONE bit in the flags. |
| 13:56.48 | pb_ | obviously the event being cloned would not typically be a clone itself, so that flag bit would be clear in the original. |
| 13:58.37 | pb_ | (darn, crashed my zaurus again!) |
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| 14:03.44 | mccarthy | pb_: Nope. It also sets the FLAG_ALARM bit (and in my current version I even need to set the FLAG_RECUR bit) |
| 14:04.10 | pb_ | mccarthy: weird, that's not in my version. |
| 14:04.40 | pb_ | oh, duh, yes it is. |
| 14:04.54 | pb_ | well, that's very bizarre. |
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| 14:06.08 | jsmanrique | hi! (again) |
| 14:06.13 | dneuer | pb_: hey |
| 14:06.25 | pb_ | hey dave |
| 14:07.26 | dneuer | pb_: that problem was compiler-related after all. Haven't tracked it down yet |
| 14:07.48 | jsmanrique | mallum : I have published your TC1000 photo in Barrapunto, a Spanish version of Slashdot.. :-) |
| 14:08.46 | jsmanrique | mallum : an many people like it :-D But can't pay for such a TabletPC :-) |
| 14:10.30 | mallum | jsmanrique: ah cool, you have a url ? |
| 14:10.42 | jsmanrique | mallum : wait a moment |
| 14:10.52 | mallum | jsmanrique: I release grandr-applet today - a little gnome panel applet for doing screen rotations |
| 14:10.59 | mallum | jsmanrique: and resizes |
| 14:11.20 | pb_ | dneuer: aha |
| 14:11.24 | jsmanrique | mallum : great |
| 14:11.28 | mallum | jsmanrique: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2003-April/msg00003.html |
| 14:12.23 | jsmanrique | mallum : I have a pair of friends that are some kind of Gnome hackers.. so sure they'll test it |
| 14:13.00 | jsmanrique | any news where xstroke development is now? |
| 14:13.11 | jsmanrique | I can't connect with its classic url |
| 14:14.30 | mallum | jsmanrique: you'd have to ask cworth about xstroke |
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| 14:15.51 | mallum | hmm, I wanna get a new computer / ps whatever game, anyone recommend one ? |
| 14:16.53 | jsmanrique | mallum : another one? |
| 14:16.56 | jsmanrique | mallum : wow! |
| 14:17.07 | mallum | jsmanrique: a game |
| 14:17.23 | mallum | jsmanrique: not an actual computer |
| 14:17.40 | jsmanrique | mallum : game? sorry, I don't understand .. I am lost |
| 14:18.11 | jsmanrique | mallum : the link you asked for... here it is: |
| 14:18.13 | jsmanrique | http://barrapunto.com/article.pl?sid=03/03/31/0136215&mode=thread&threshold= |
| 14:21.11 | jsmanrique | mallum : I don't know if bablefish does a good work :-) |
| 14:21.40 | mallum | jsmanrique: it does it ok |
| 14:22.04 | mallum | he developer of Matchbox , a light manager of windows focused mainly for its use in PDAs, and that is used by project GPE , has sent a capture of its TabletPC T1100 running Gnome2 on Matchbox. This opens a new one via so that the TabletPC can be used with Linux instead of the MS WindowsXP TabletPC Edition that brings of series. Within the Handhelds.org project a mail list has been opened even so that the developers can participate i |
| 14:22.04 | mallum | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:23.24 | jsmanrique | nice |
| 14:24.34 | mallum | yeah, thanks jsmanrique |
| 14:46.08 | jsmanrique | no problem |
| 14:46.31 | jsmanrique | I am not a developer, but a management engieer student, so I "sell" good ideas :-D |
| 14:46.51 | jsmanrique | I like to promote this work everyone here is doing |
| 14:48.53 | jsmanrique | have you read Icaza's interview? |
| 14:49.02 | jsmanrique | Gnumeric will still have a market for smaller systems, or even for embedded situations like PDAs or whenever the engine has to be reused on special situations: Gnumeric is also very easy to modify and adapt, so its pieces can be reused in other setups. |
| 14:49.43 | jsmanrique | the interview is here: |
| 14:49.51 | jsmanrique | http://www.osnews.com/story.php?news_id=3170 |
| 14:58.01 | mccarthy | pb_: if I am trying to read i none of the exceptions....I do this: |
| 14:58.08 | mccarthy | long rmtime = (long)atoi (argv[1]); |
| 14:58.19 | mccarthy | then I add it to the gslist like this: |
| 14:58.26 | mccarthy | r->exceptions = g_slist_append(r->exceptions,&rmtime); |
| 14:58.35 | mccarthy | I think that is wrong, but dont know how to fix it :( |
| 15:02.05 | mccarthy | pb_: nevermind. fixed it |
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| 15:10.20 | pb_ | mccarthy: ah right :-) |
| 15:24.38 | pattieja | morning |
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| 15:44.54 | mccarthy | nelson: got a new image? |
| 15:45.39 | cmarqu_werk | mccarthy: pre7 is out, yeah |
| 15:46.13 | cmarqu_werk | mccarthy: http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/releases/v0.7/install/ is the "new" location |
| 15:47.13 | nelson | mccarthy: yep, but ipkg 0.99.64 is reportedly dodgy (don't tell Kergoth). |
| 15:49.34 | mccarthy | nelson cmarqu_werk: thanks. I will give it a try (how is it dodgy exactly?) |
| 15:51.21 | cmarqu_werk | I think installing from a local file does not work anymore, possibly more. |
| 15:53.24 | nelson | crap. Florian says "BUT don't use V 0.0.9-2!", but that's what -pre7 got built with. |
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| 15:55.18 | cmarqu_werk | Uh... |
| 15:55.24 | pb_ | mccarthy: recent ipkgs also seem to be installing the wrong modules for a lot of people; see familiar mailing list and #handhelds.org from yesterday. |
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| 16:07.06 | cmarqu_werk | BBL |
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| 16:27.04 | pb_ | hi jg |
| 16:27.18 | jg | pb_: hi. |
| 16:28.10 | jg | pb_: how goes the battle? |
| 16:29.47 | pb_ | jg: not too bad, been working on some Zaurus drivers today. how's things with you? |
| 16:30.01 | jg | pb_: working on Usenix paper, which is overdue. |
| 16:30.58 | pb_ | aha. |
| 16:31.51 | jg | pb_: the events of the last few weeks have soaked too much of keithp and my time... |
| 16:33.43 | pb_ | yeah, I can see how that would be the case. |
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| 17:06.32 | paul | hi jg |
| 17:08.38 | paul | jg: just wondering what your opinions are on the linux scheduler, and nice'ing X to -10 to try mask some issues in 2.4 scheduler. (2.5 apparently has a tweak to remove this need). i was talking to pb_ about whether we should start Xipaq niced to -10, i do it on my ipaq and it tends to remove some occassional latency issues. |
| 17:09.19 | cmarqu | Hi paul |
| 17:09.32 | paul | hiya colin, how are things? |
| 17:09.51 | pb_ | cmarqu: ha, doesn't Gtk already have a GtkProgress or some such widget? |
| 17:09.55 | cmarqu | paul: Going okay. Has you double payment for Abbey Guesthouse cleared up? |
| 17:10.06 | paul | cmarqu: ah.. let me look. |
| 17:10.20 | cmarqu | pb_: Yes, but the default looks uncool. Totally 3Dish. |
| 17:11.27 | paul | cmarqu: ah yes... indeed. they charged twice. |
| 17:11.29 | cmarqu | http://handhelds.org/scap/html.cgi?fn=port.13823.png -- I'd want a simple black frame and a coloured bar. |
| 17:11.53 | cmarqu | paul: Sucks. I guess the two guys there had a commnication problem. |
| 17:12.08 | paul | cmarqu: i'll phone abbey. its better for them if they reverse the second transaction, rather than have me phone my issuer. |
| 17:12.27 | cmarqu | Hmm, yeah. |
| 17:12.39 | pb_ | cmarqu: Ah, yeah, that's not cool. It might be fixable in the theme, though. |
| 17:13.30 | cmarqu | pb_: florian is using some style setting already, but while playing with it, I could not really fix it. But that doesn't mean anything of course :) |
| 17:13.50 | pb_ | cmarqu: I'll have a poke at the Mist engine and see if I can make it render the bars in 2D only. |
| 17:14.28 | cmarqu | Thast would be cool. It looks so different with the 3D bars... |
| 17:19.42 | cmarqu | ~ # grep dns /etc/ppp/options |
| 17:19.43 | cmarqu | usepeerdns |
| 17:20.00 | cmarqu | Shouldn't that make DNS work out of the box? |
| 17:20.23 | cmarqu | (when using ppp) |
| 17:20.25 | pb_ | Yeah, I'd have thought so. |
| 17:20.46 | cmarqu | It doesn't it seems. |
| 17:21.31 | cmarqu | It works as soon as I create a /etc/resolv.conf file |
| 17:21.40 | cmarqu | (with correct contents that is) |
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| 17:29.58 | pb_ | Right. Sounds like that would be a ppp bug, then. |
| 17:37.32 | cmarqu | Kero told me how to fix it. ms-dns on host. |
| 18:02.19 | cmarqu | Indeed, this works. But it means also that I cannot use dynamic DNS server. |
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| 19:12.45 | dc_ | evening |
| 19:12.50 | pb_ | dc_: evening |
| 19:14.16 | mallum | dc_: hey |
| 19:14.23 | mallum | dc_: got your c700 yet ? |
| 19:14.24 | dc_ | hey pb_, mallum:) |
| 19:14.38 | dc_ | mallum: no, 5th of april he says he'll send it now |
| 19:15.08 | moray | pah |
| 19:15.21 | dc_ | indeed, pah |
| 19:15.21 | mallum | dc_: oh cool, he has one now for you ? just got to post it ? |
| 19:15.36 | moray | mallum: presumably not, or he'd be sending it already? |
| 19:15.42 | dc_ | mallum: yep |
| 19:15.49 | dc_ | mallum: he's had it for weeks :| |
| 19:15.59 | moray | dc_: hm, what's he been doing with it in the meantime? |
| 19:16.02 | pb_ | dc_: hah, the bastard. |
| 19:16.06 | dc_ | mallum: he just has a not so intelligent girlfirned. |
| 19:16.22 | mallum | dc_: wierd |
| 19:16.25 | dc_ | yeah, she wouldn't send it :| |
| 19:17.21 | mallum | dc_: cool, I've just added matchbox tot he OZ buildroot |
| 19:17.28 | dc_ | ooooooooh. |
| 19:17.30 | dc_ | coolio |
| 19:18.21 | pb_ | yeah. so, just need gtk2 added now, and we should be all set for gpe. |
| 19:20.14 | mallum | yeah glib is already there, so I wouldn't expect gtk to be too hard as that could just be followed |
| 19:21.56 | dc_ | arg, man... |
| 19:22.03 | dc_ | guess what I did this morning :{ |
| 19:22.07 | dc_ | not something cool. |
| 19:22.11 | dc_ | my poor iBook... |
| 19:22.16 | dc_ | 's cdrom drive... |
| 19:22.46 | dc_ | is a bit wasted :{{ |
| 19:22.53 | pb_ | hell! |
| 19:22.55 | pb_ | what happened? |
| 19:22.58 | dc_ | yah |
| 19:23.12 | moray | dc_: broken off you mean, or stuck? |
| 19:23.17 | dc_ | well...I was kind of rushing to get to school as you do...and slip it comes out of the case. |
| 19:23.23 | dc_ | and bang...onto the flood. |
| 19:23.37 | pb_ | ah, you need to watch out for those floods. |
| 19:23.45 | dc_ | hehe |
| 19:23.48 | dc_ | umm |
| 19:23.49 | dc_ | floor |
| 19:23.50 | dc_ | doh |
| 19:23.52 | pb_ | figured |
| 19:23.53 | dc_ | heh |
| 19:23.53 | dc_ | flood. |
| 19:23.59 | dc_ | not cool. |
| 19:24.03 | pb_ | sounds nasty. |
| 19:24.10 | pb_ | is it seriously broke, or just a bit battered? |
| 19:24.14 | dc_ | thank god it hit there... |
| 19:24.30 | dc_ | well, it must have popped out as it hit, then bent it. |
| 19:24.35 | moray | ow |
| 19:24.48 | dc_ | and it's real wobbly and won't close. |
| 19:24.59 | dc_ | and the screen is slightly off aswell.. |
| 19:25.04 | dc_ | not badly though |
| 19:25.23 | dc_ | I need to work out where to get it repaired, as a year has passed.. |
| 19:25.30 | dc_ | so it's not on warrenty. |
| 19:25.33 | pb_ | darn. |
| 19:26.05 | dc_ | heh, so yeah. |
| 19:26.20 | dc_ | then I need to work my ass off in the summer to buy a new powerbook for myself :} |
| 19:26.34 | pb_ | excellent plan. |
| 19:26.41 | dc_ | and I'll have to make sure I get it with atleast 4 weeks spare to battle with nvidia drivers :} |
| 19:26.50 | dc_ | but then atleast it has a slot loading drive :} |
| 19:26.55 | pb_ | heh |
| 19:27.35 | mallum | dc_: I think the 'nv' xdriver will just work, it just wont be accelerated |
| 19:27.40 | pb_ | hm, looks like the thunderstorm has abated a bit, so time for me to dash to the supermarket. brb. |
| 19:27.42 | dc_ | that's fine. |
| 19:27.48 | dc_ | I just want the sexy hardware ;) |
| 19:28.46 | dc_ | and the slot. |
| 19:28.46 | dc_ | hehe |
| 19:30.19 | mallum | dc_: yeah, Id sometimes like a faster cpu |
| 19:30.31 | dc_ | mallum: heh, how fast is yours? |
| 19:30.34 | mallum | dc_: building stuff on my shuttle is a zillion times faster |
| 19:30.37 | mallum | dc_: 550 |
| 19:30.42 | dc_ | oh dear. |
| 19:30.57 | dc_ | mallum: I never imagined the Ti to be that slow :\ |
| 19:31.02 | dc_ | mallum: the new ones are 1GHz :} |
| 19:31.10 | dc_ | oh, oh, oh.. |
| 19:31.16 | mallum | dc_: well its fine for most stuff, I dont really need that much speed |
| 19:31.19 | dc_ | and have backlit keyboards! |
| 19:31.28 | mallum | dc_: yeah but even 1ghz is not all that much anymore |
| 19:31.33 | dc_ | pitty I don't have enough for the 17" :| |
| 19:31.39 | dc_ | mallum: true.. |
| 19:31.48 | dc_ | mallum: it's barible on a laptop though. |
| 19:31.56 | dc_ | mallum: but on the other hand I don't build X ;p |
| 19:32.12 | mallum | dc_: I rarely build X on this |
| 19:32.17 | dc_ | hehe |
| 19:32.54 | mallum | dc_: I just ssh into the shuttle and do it there ;-) |
| 19:33.08 | dc_ | ah, right you do. |
| 19:33.29 | mallum | dc_: are you running x 4.3 or did I already ask you that ? |
| 19:33.36 | dc_ | wtf, 'computer repair center' don't even repair stuff! |
| 19:33.42 | dc_ | mallum: I'm not.. |
| 19:33.56 | dc_ | mallum: the fear of having to touch my config file is scary. |
| 19:35.06 | mallum | dc_: you barely need a config file nowadays ;-) |
| 19:37.26 | dc_ | ah? |
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| 19:42.36 | mallum | jg: nice mail to the forum list |
| 19:43.12 | mallum | dc_: well tinyX dont have one, and usually in BigX you only need to name the driver you want to use |
| 19:43.21 | dc_ | mallum: ah cool. |
| 19:43.32 | dc_ | mallum: none of this silly dual screen config then? |
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| 19:44.11 | mallum | dc_: well you have to tell it how you want you screens layed out |
| 19:44.13 | florian | hello! |
| 19:44.24 | dc_ | mallum: right |
| 19:44.26 | dc_ | of shit.... |
| 19:44.27 | dc_ | not cool. |
| 19:44.36 | dc_ | Plastics, modem, CD ROM, cable $430.00 |
| 19:44.40 | dc_ | joy...... |
| 19:44.44 | dc_ | not really. |
| 19:45.28 | dc_ | ibot, convert 430 usd to gbp |
| 19:45.47 | dc_ | um. |
| 19:45.57 | dc_ | great british pounds... |
| 19:46.00 | dc_ | or am I lost. |
| 19:48.22 | cmarqu | ibot, convert 430 usd to ukp |
| 19:48.47 | dc_ | heh |
| 19:49.40 | PaxAnima | ~change 430 usd to gbp |
| 19:49.55 | PaxAnima | dc_: just need the right word ;) |
| 19:50.27 | dc_ | heh |
| 19:50.32 | dc_ | 272 pound. |
| 19:50.45 | dc_ | sucl |
| 19:50.45 | dc_ | suck |
| 19:51.11 | cmarqu | Hmm, ibot's help is not really helpful. |
| 19:52.49 | mallum | ~lart himself |
| 19:53.21 | mallum | ~lart his worthless broken useless self |
| 19:57.23 | mallum | movie time, bbl |
| 19:59.50 | pb_ | dc_: I checked in a first cut of the widgetized clock to libgpewidget. I'm not sure if it works yet, but you might like to take a look. |
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| 20:01.10 | icefox | where is info on the conference this weekend? |
| 20:11.53 | pb_ | the HDC? http://handhelds.org/hdc.html |
| 20:12.35 | dc_ | pb_: ah right |
| 20:13.03 | icefox | yah |
| 20:13.11 | icefox | 9:30 am or pm does it start? |
| 20:13.56 | icefox | is their directions somewhere/ |
| 20:14.04 | icefox | ah found them |
| 20:14.35 | florian | this ipkg makes me crazy! |
| 20:14.52 | icefox | ok it looks like I will be joining those who go. :) |
| 20:20.31 | pb_ | florian: are you using 0.99.66? |
| 20:21.55 | florian | pb_: yes |
| 20:22.12 | dc_ | icefox: make sure they get you on the guard list ;) |
| 20:22.59 | florian | pb_: i tried to install a new kernel: ipkg install kernel kernel-modules |
| 20:23.39 | florian | pkg_hash_fetch_best_installation_candidate:207: multiple candidates (2) apkg=kernel-modules max_arch_priority=0 max_count=0 |
| 20:23.39 | florian | pkg_hash_fetch_best_installation_candidate:207: multiple candidates (2) apkg=kernel-modules max_arch_priority=0 max_count=2 |
| 20:23.39 | florian | ERROR: Cannot satisfy the following dependencies for kernel: |
| 20:23.39 | florian | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.49 | florian | i tried to give ipkg the url of these packages, but it told me something about a NULL dest. |
| 20:27.23 | florian | i set the dest to root... that was ignored |
| 20:36.10 | cmarqu | Ah. There is a multi-partition ide.opts file now. But it mounts my card as /mnt/hda16 :) |
| 20:57.22 | pb_ | cmarqu: Hah. |
| 20:58.18 | cmarqu | And the modules are really broken. I modprobe ext3, but it doesn't pull jdb.o, so it doesn't work. |
| 20:58.25 | pb_ | suck. |
| 21:09.16 | cmarqu | cc `pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0` -DPREFIX=\"/usr/local\" -DPACKAGE=\"libgpewidget\" -D_GNU_SOURCE -Wall -fPIC -Os -fomit-frame-pointer -MD -I./gpe -c -o errorbox.o errorbox.c |
| 21:09.19 | cmarqu | errorbox.c: In function `do_gpe_error_box': |
| 21:09.21 | cmarqu | errorbox.c:55: structure has no member named `text' |
| 21:09.24 | cmarqu | make[1]: *** [errorbox.o] Error 1 |
| 21:09.27 | cmarqu | make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/applications/gpe_cvs_dev/gpe/base/libgpewidget' |
| 21:09.37 | cmarqu | Oh. Is that a local change? Hrrmmm... |
| 21:10.33 | pb_ | cmarqu: I haven't noticed that problem, and I've been compiling libgpewidget a lot recently. |
| 21:11.00 | pb_ | dc_: right, I checked in changes to make gpe-clock use the widget. It seems to be working from a quick test. |
| 21:11.04 | cmarqu | Yeah, it was a local change. |
| 21:11.50 | pb_ | dc_: now to make gtktimesel use it as a popup, I guess. |
| 21:12.36 | cmarqu | gpeclockface.c: In function `draw_hand': |
| 21:12.36 | cmarqu | gpeclockface.c:64: `XPointDouble' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 21:12.47 | cmarqu | Oh. Do I need 4.3 now? |
| 21:12.48 | pb_ | cmarqu: oh dear, looks like your X headers lose. |
| 21:13.04 | pb_ | cmarqu: I'm using 4.2.1 on my desktop, and I can compile that code (but currently not run it) |
| 21:13.34 | cmarqu | Okay, I'm getting a new header package. |
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| 21:18.54 | dc__ | hrm |
| 21:19.40 | dc__ | anyone tried a de-660+ pcmcia network card before..? |
| 21:21.01 | cmarqu | dc__: florian or nils would probably know about it. |
| 21:21.15 | pb_ | yeah, they seem to have tried most cards between them. |
| 21:21.39 | cmarqu | Wasn't the 660+ version rather different than 660? |
| 21:21.47 | pb_ | That's my recollection too. |
| 21:21.52 | cmarqu | ISTR reading about it on the lists. |
| 21:21.55 | pb_ | Maybe one of the TI chips for which there was no documentation. |
| 21:22.39 | florian | yes, i think so - the DCF-660 is ok - but all "+" cards are bad... |
| 21:24.17 | florian | local installation of the new kernel modules doesn't work too :-( |
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| 21:26.28 | pb_ | ah, looks like it might just be an NE2000 clone actually. |
| 21:26.41 | pb_ | so, probably would work fine. |
| 21:28.11 | cmarqu | Hmm, I updated xlibs-dev, and gpeclockface.c still complains. |
| 21:28.26 | PaxAnima | I can't seem to make the buttons smaller for psCalc2 :/ |
| 21:28.26 | pb_ | Oh dear. Hm. |
| 21:28.33 | pb_ | Ah, I probably updated my Render separately. |
| 21:28.35 | cmarqu | Is it coming from Xrender.h? |
| 21:28.41 | cmarqu | Ah. |
| 21:28.55 | pb_ | I would have installed keithp's fcpackage, which includes updated Render and Xft. |
| 21:28.58 | pb_ | Yes, I think that's the place. |
| 21:29.46 | pb_ | dc__: do you happen to have a clock icon that looks recognisable at 16x16? |
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| 21:50.46 | dc__ | pb_: not as yet :/ |
| 21:50.56 | jg | paul: you shouldn't have to nice the scheduler. 2.5 will behave alot better: it is much better at identifying interactive apps. And beyond that, we've (Stephen Tweedie, Dave Rosenthal, Ted T'so, Keith Packard and myself) have a scheme for exchanging scheduler credits between on-machine apps that we think would work pretty well. In 2.4, it might be worth trying the renice hack on the iPAQ, but I sure wouldn't make it -10. |
| 21:50.57 | dc__ | pb_: I'll make one this weekend or something. |
| 21:51.04 | pb_ | dc__: darn, me neither. |
| 21:51.07 | pb_ | dc__: ah, that'd be great. |
| 21:51.07 | dc__ | pb_: unless you happen you pass by one before then. |
| 21:51.16 | dc__ | pb_: I have lots of english :\ |
| 21:51.19 | dc__ | this week. |
| 21:51.25 | dc__ | so anyhow, on with it. |
| 21:51.27 | dc__ | night. |
| 21:51.30 | pb_ | dc__: night then |
| 21:51.38 | dc__ | :} |
| 22:00.10 | PaxAnima | spung: starting to get the fonts smaller ;) |
| 22:00.37 | florian | cmarqu: http://handhelds.org/scap/port.8253.png |
| 22:01.24 | cmarqu | florian: Oh, cool. |
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| 22:17.06 | PaxAnima | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.1450.png <--- it's small again ;) |
| 22:18.01 | florian | ahh, cool! |
| 22:18.36 | PaxAnima | I guess I could remove less, and make the buttons look more like regular buttons... |
| 22:19.02 | florian | maybe it would be easier to use if some more buttons had different colors. |
| 22:19.31 | PaxAnima | yeah, spung suggested that |
| 22:19.52 | PaxAnima | what buttons should be colored? |
| 22:23.43 | florian | at least "del" and "cl" |
| 22:24.01 | florian | and "=" |
| 22:24.17 | PaxAnima | suggestions to what color? |
| 22:25.00 | cmarqu | I'd make stuff that clears something a reddish hue, and = green or yellow. |
| 22:25.33 | florian | maybe make all function buttons slightly darker grey, del and cl dark red |
| 22:25.35 | cmarqu | And the numbers a bith brighter than all other buttons. |
| 22:25.42 | cmarqu | Ha :) |
| 22:26.28 | PaxAnima | that would make me... work ;) |
| 22:26.35 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: BTW, "Save to file" might be a useful feature for later. |
| 22:26.47 | PaxAnima | why would anyone save something to file from a calculator? |
| 22:27.14 | cmarqu | To continue work from that point? |
| 22:27.20 | cmarqu | Like a saved game. |
| 22:27.25 | PaxAnima | ah.. |
| 22:27.52 | cmarqu | Since you have that list view, it's already more than a simple calculator IMO. |
| 22:28.56 | cmarqu | Or, I imagine the kernel OOM killer coming along and reap my precious calculations. |
| 22:29.13 | pb_ | Hell, yes. |
| 22:29.21 | cmarqu | :) |
| 22:29.25 | pb_ | That hardly bears thinking about. |
| 22:32.09 | cmarqu | Night all. |
| 22:32.27 | PaxAnima | night, cmarqu |
| 22:38.12 | florian | cmarqu: night... (good idea) |
| 22:38.20 | florian | night all! |
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