00:00.26 | chrisime | http://www.my-siemens.com/MySiemens/CDA/Index/0,2730,HQ_en_0_product%253AHO%252FNW%252FWPD%252FSIMPADCENET%252Fmanual,FF.html |
00:00.38 | chrisime | that's the manual page |
00:01.13 | spung | the built-in wireless makes me wonder if i should spend 250 euros in wireless card for my ipaq or buy that |
00:01.34 | mallum | chrisime: when can you get it for 335 though ? |
00:02.48 | spung | chrisime: i guess between that and a laptop... |
00:04.25 | spung | i'd go with a laptop |
00:04.42 | chrisime | spung: there's a page: www.geizhals.at/de |
00:05.14 | chrisime | it's a page to check for computer stuff |
00:05.26 | chrisime | and to get the cheapest prices |
00:05.34 | spung | chrisime: and it's in chinese :P |
00:05.42 | chrisime | chinese? |
00:05.43 | tuhl | This new Zaurus device is realy cool: http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/index.shtml |
00:06.05 | spung | chrisime: german, chinese.. my level of understanding is the same for both languages :) |
00:06.26 | nelson | mallum: Hey-ho! |
00:06.30 | nelson | mallum: http://handhelds.org/~nelson/fboobar.png |
00:07.22 | chrisime | 699 |
00:07.24 | chrisime | eeeks |
00:07.32 | mallum | nelson: HAHA ROCK ! |
00:07.33 | chrisime | spung: poor boy ;) |
00:07.52 | spung | chrisime: hey, www.miau.pt is cool, too |
00:07.54 | mallum | chrisime: you can get them 200$ cheaper than that |
00:08.13 | chrisime | oh nice, dillo |
00:08.42 | mallum | nelson: was it 565 ? |
00:09.19 | chrisime | 500 euros is not so cheap ;) |
00:09.57 | spung | yeah, you can buy stolen laptops cheaper than that |
00:10.20 | mallum | spung: yeah but no othere device on earth as a display like the c700 :-) |
00:12.06 | spung | mallum: do you run gpe on that or plain gnome? |
00:12.06 | nelson | mallum: apparently 565, assuming that the colors are correct. |
00:12.54 | nelson | mallum: scap a color picker, then we'll know. |
00:13.30 | mallum | nelson: no, the colors are correct |
00:13.44 | mallum | nelson: I can tell by the dock apps |
00:15.31 | mallum | nelson: and I got 565 from the framebuffer drivers source |
00:16.02 | mallum | spung: just matchbox really at the mo and a few bits from GPE |
00:16.41 | spung | mallum: does matchbox make sense in that display? |
00:16.57 | mallum | spung: X performs really badly on it in landscape mode which is a real pain and no easy solution |
00:17.10 | spung | mallum: why? |
00:17.38 | nelson | mallum: only thing I needed to do was change the first line of the scap output. |
00:17.49 | nelson | mallum: don't even need to change the executable. |
00:18.02 | mallum | nelson: woohoo :-) |
00:18.19 | mallum | nelson: the scap package in familiar is just a shell script right ? |
00:18.48 | nelson | mallum: yup. I'll change the capture.cgi program to recognize "c700" as the model. |
00:19.15 | mallum | nelson: okey, where does scap get its model id prom ? |
00:19.20 | nelson | cat /proc/hal/model |
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00:19.29 | nelson | what do you get from that? |
00:19.34 | mallum | nelson: ah that is missing on the zuarus :( |
00:19.38 | dc_ibook | ibot soon pb_ |
00:19.38 | | wish i knew, dc_ibook |
00:19.45 | dc_ibook | ibot seen pb_ |
00:19.46 | | pb_ <~pb@pc2-cmbg4-3-cust239.cmbg.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 32m 12s ago, saying: 'kergoth: mmm, good thinking. I wonder how that could be arranged.'. |
00:19.56 | dc_ibook | oops |
00:19.59 | dc_ibook | mallum: hey |
00:20.08 | nelson | mallum: how else can you get the model? |
00:21.13 | mallum | nelson: at the moment my X scripts do it rather sketcherly via version version strings, as they aer pretty much static on the zauruses, but its a bit crappy |
00:21.56 | nelson | ain't there no /proc that will tell you? |
00:22.43 | mallum | nelson: nope. kergoth may know a little more. I think he's gonna create a 'devdetect' package which is a bit more reliable |
00:23.16 | nelson | mallum: ahhh, yes, so he is. Okay, in the meantime, it's gonna be your job to set $MODEL=c700. |
00:23.55 | mallum | nelson: okey, I send it manually |
00:24.06 | dc_ibook | mallum: I won't have my c700 on saturday :( |
00:24.30 | mallum | dc_ibook: :( how come ? |
00:24.42 | mallum | nelson: any idea what the content length should be ? |
00:24.50 | dc_ibook | mallum: aparently brett's girlfriend couldn't send it. |
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00:25.00 | mallum | nelson: 640x480 ? |
00:25.05 | dc_ibook | mallum: no more infomation then 'couldn't send it'. |
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00:25.23 | mallum | dc_ibook: doh :( |
00:25.36 | dc_ibook | mallum: I have to wait till april the 4th, hor |
00:25.40 | dc_ibook | how borrring |
00:26.18 | mallum | dc_ibook: never mind I'll probably have X working real ncie by then :-) |
00:26.30 | dc_ibook | mallum: ;) |
00:33.12 | mallum | nelson: hmm didn't quite work -> http://handhelds.org/scap/port.10313.png |
00:34.33 | nelson | mallum: try it again. |
00:34.39 | mallum | nelson: okie |
00:34.42 | nelson | I just changed the code 20 seconds ago. |
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00:36.26 | mallum | nelson: I got the same :( |
00:36.49 | mallum | nelson: I just multiplied the ipaqs content length by 4 - that should be right though ? |
00:37.15 | nelson | mallum: No, the content length should be the same as fboobar |
00:37.35 | mallum | nelson: doh what was that ? |
00:37.41 | nelson | 1441792 |
00:37.48 | mallum | okie 3rd time lucky |
00:40.41 | nelson | mallum: you realize that you're going to make all the other scap users jealous? |
00:41.37 | moray | ha |
00:44.27 | dc_ibook | hehee |
00:44.59 | nelson | mallum: are you going to test it??? |
00:45.06 | mallum | nelson: Im trying |
00:45.14 | mallum | nelson: I think it too much data for the server |
00:45.19 | nelson | I'm holding my breath, damnit! |
00:45.37 | nelson | mallum: how are you transmitting? Oh, it must be via http. |
00:45.55 | mallum | HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error |
00:48.43 | nelson | ooohhhh, that's cute. A pale aqua. |
00:49.36 | mallum | ? |
00:51.56 | nelson | mallum: the little file you uploaded. |
00:52.50 | nelson | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.32196.png |
00:54.29 | mallum | nelson: ah yes that one |
00:58.32 | nelson | mallum: oopsies! little bug. try again? |
00:59.27 | mallum | nelson: okie |
01:01.58 | nelson | mallum: woo hoo!!! |
01:02.26 | mallum | hehe |
01:02.31 | nelson | mallum: oh, but perhaps the rotation should be 0 ? |
01:02.50 | mallum | nelson: that the screen roatated, one sec I do another |
01:03.04 | spung | mallum: what's wrong with landscape? |
01:05.51 | mallum | spung: cos X cant write directly to the framebuffer memory then, it uses a shadow framebuffer and the bus to the screen is slow |
01:06.48 | spung | mallum: hmm, that sucks... i was considering buying one.. that sucks |
01:08.58 | mallum | spung: yes, I wouldn't say it sucks but dissapointing |
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01:09.21 | mallum | spung: X is still totallu usable in landscape, just not very snappy |
01:09.38 | spung | mallum: why is it better in portrait mode? |
01:10.12 | mallum | spung: becuase X can then write directly to the framebuffer memory |
01:10.30 | spung | ahhh |
01:10.38 | dc_ | mallum: wahay, looks great |
01:10.40 | spung | i see |
01:11.04 | spung | mallum: would that be and xrandr issue? |
01:11.09 | spung | s/and/an |
01:13.36 | mallum | spung: yes in a way |
01:14.16 | dc_ | I'm off to bed now... |
01:14.25 | mallum | dc_: gnight |
01:14.29 | dc_ | need to finish off some coursework tomorrow, then I'm off on the train to cambridge :D |
01:14.46 | mallum | cool |
01:14.46 | dc_ | got my tickets right here :} |
01:14.52 | mallum | I may be up sunday |
01:15.01 | dc_ | mallum: aww....satrurday! |
01:15.26 | nelson | my family is talking about coming to the UK in July/August timeframe. |
01:15.27 | mallum | dc_: too much other stuff todo :( |
01:15.37 | nelson | After county fair and before state fair. :) |
01:15.42 | mallum | nelson: cool, you can come to my wedding :-) |
01:15.46 | dc_ | mallum: that's not fair ;] |
01:15.49 | dc_ | nelson: ;) |
01:16.22 | dc_ | mallum: well then, make sure you make time to come up on sunday. |
01:16.30 | nelson | Gotta figure out what we can see in the UK in ten days. |
01:16.47 | mallum | dc_: yeah I think Im gonna drive up |
01:16.53 | dc_ | nelson: trees, big ben and mallum's wedding :D |
01:17.00 | nelson | Obviously the Tower, Westminster, Kew Gardens, mallum's wedding. |
01:17.02 | dc_ | mallum: ah cool. |
01:17.17 | mallum | nelson: you should go to the tate modern and see this massive sculpture |
01:17.23 | dc_ | doh yes. |
01:17.27 | nelson | (I'll provide the running commentary for #handhelds.org) |
01:17.43 | dc_ | anyway. |
01:19.49 | mallum | nelson: there is the big wheel thing to see too |
01:19.59 | mallum | nelson: and you should get out into the countryside too |
01:26.08 | nelson | mallum: oh, plan to do that. Maybe the broads, maybe the lake district, maybe Wales. You know, all the quaint and pictaresque areas. |
01:27.41 | mallum | cool, nice |
01:27.58 | mallum | nelson: you could catch you eurostart to france for the day too |
01:30.40 | nelson | that's just a tad expensive, eh? |
01:31.41 | mallum | no, not really - though we usually collect tokens from crap newspapers and go over on the cheap to buy cheap fags / booze etc |
01:32.11 | mallum | pillage there villages etc |
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07:11.15 | pb_ | morning #gpe# |
07:11.55 | pigeon | morning pb_ |
07:12.12 | pb_ | hi pigeon |
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09:37.06 | moray | pb_: ping? |
10:07.38 | pb_ | moray: hi |
10:08.43 | pigeon | Geez. |
10:08.51 | pigeon | wine actually runs dos games now... |
10:09.01 | pb_ | heh |
10:16.47 | Hallski | pigeon: it has for a couple of year iirc |
10:18.05 | __moray | pb_: found some Germans yet? |
10:19.50 | pb_ | __moray: yup, just had breakfast with them |
10:20.04 | __moray | pb_: aha, have they headed into town then perhaps? |
10:20.20 | pb_ | yup, I left them on Hills Road waiting for a bus into town |
10:20.31 | __moray | ok |
10:20.45 | pb_ | I think they plan to go out to their hotel, abandon their bags, then go back into the city. |
10:20.54 | __moray | ah right. |
10:21.15 | pb_ | They mentioned something about a CUCS event this evening, I think. |
10:22.44 | __moray | I'm not sure about CUCS - there's CL Happy Hour (which seems to be fairly liberal about letting people turn up these days), and apparently a meeting of geeks under the guise of Cam.pm later on |
10:36.29 | pb_ | ah right |
10:36.49 | pb_ | Damien is riding into town at about 8pm, so I guess we should plan to hook up with him at some point. |
10:37.42 | moray | indeed |
10:40.33 | moray | the CL thing is 5 p.m. at the (new) CL, and would probably be a reasonable thing to fill in some time for people if nothing else is happening; and to give you all the information, the supposedly-Perl meeting (which I might go to sometimes but am not worried about missing) is at un unspecified time at the Carlton Arms IIRC |
10:47.11 | pb_ | the Carlton Arms? crumbs, I've always been too scared to go in there. |
10:47.48 | pb_ | well, I'd be mildly interested to see the new CL anyway, I've never really been there (at least, not further than the foyer). |
10:48.52 | pb_ | I guess I can clock out from the office at about 4pm or so and we could meet in town then. |
10:56.12 | moray | pb_: (re Carlton Arms) that's what my friend who used to live opposite it said - but it turns out it's got new owners and has been done up ;) |
10:56.34 | pb_ | moray: ah, hehe |
10:57.01 | moray | (the last perl people's thing was also there and, having reluctantly gone, he then had to try and persuade us it had genuinely been bad before...) |
10:57.35 | pb_ | :-) |
10:58.03 | moray | yes, meeting at 4 something would seem reasonable if you can make it (though there's no problem with being 'late' to it at any rate) |
11:02.38 | pb_ | sounds good to me. |
11:05.53 | moray | anyway, off irc again for now |
11:06.36 | pb_ | righto |
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14:10.29 | mallum | pb_: gpe-confd now uses sqllite ? |
14:10.48 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, I think it always has. |
14:11.49 | pb_ | There was (is) a compile time option to use Berkeley DB, but I don't think a version built like that was ever actually deployed. |
14:12.37 | mallum | pb_: ok ... |
14:12.47 | mallum | pb_: do you know whats up with dillo ? |
14:13.19 | pb_ | nelson's problem? no, I haven't had a chance to look at it yet. It doesn't happen with the build I have on my i386, but I'm not sure whether that is due to different sources or something more sinister. |
14:13.43 | mallum | pb_: do you knwo where gpe-confd is creating its xsettings table ? |
14:13.52 | mallum | pb_: ok np. nelson is now maintaining it ? |
14:14.21 | pb_ | you mean where it stores the database? ~/.gpe/settings, I think. Something like that, anyway. |
14:14.34 | pb_ | I hadn't heard that nelson was maintaining dillo, but if he wants to that's fine with me. |
14:15.10 | mallum | ah another hot potato |
14:15.30 | mallum | pb_: oh misunderstood, yeah dillo is not renering any pages for me anymore |
14:15.43 | pb_ | oh, I see. hmm. |
14:15.53 | pb_ | not rendering anything at all, even its own splash screen? |
14:16.01 | mallum | pb_: Im getting ; |
14:16.03 | mallum | # xst write Net/ThemeName str mbcrystal |
14:16.03 | mallum | sqlite: no such table: xsettings |
14:16.10 | mallum | pb_: nope, not even its own page |
14:16.39 | pb_ | That's strange. Can you double check what version of dillo2 is installed? |
14:17.17 | pb_ | Your gpe-confd problem is strange also. It ought to create the table at startup, I think. Maybe you could check with the sqlite console to see what's going wrong. |
14:18.45 | mallum | pb_: yeah this is on my zuarus. when does it create the table on postinst ? |
14:18.50 | pb_ | no, at runtime |
14:20.47 | mallum | okey, how do I get up the sqllite console ? |
14:20.53 | pb_ | sqlite ~/.gpe/settings |
14:21.30 | pb_ | by the way, I just tried out your latest xserver package. You have a stray trailing comma in the Depends line, which causes a slightly confusing error message from ipkg, but other than that it seems to work okay. |
14:22.11 | pb_ | It also seems to work with my mouse, which the server in unstable didn't, though the mouse doesn't seem to get rotated by XrandR so it is a little disorienting to use in portrait mode. |
14:23.53 | mallum | pb_: what number -6 ? |
14:24.54 | mallum | pb_: this is mouse with your usb dongle thing ? |
14:26.00 | mallum | pb_: for some reason gpe-confd although started ok, by nullxdm seems to to open /root/.gpe/settings |
14:26.39 | mallum | pb_: HOME and USER are set in nullxdm and should perforate down to the gpe-confd startup - wierd |
14:27.32 | pb_ | yes, usb mouse |
14:27.40 | mallum | oh cool |
14:28.58 | nelson | mallum: no, I was just reporting a problem to pb_. |
14:29.32 | mallum | nelson: okey, yeah I got confused |
14:31.49 | pb_ | looks like gpe-confd is just using g_get_home_dir(), so it should work the same as other programs. |
14:32.44 | mallum | pb_: ok I shall investigate |
14:33.19 | mallum | pb_: do all gpe related Xsession scripts use #!/bin/sh at the beginning ? nullxdm is just sorucing its session files |
14:37.14 | pb_ | yeah, i believe that's what Xsession does also. |
14:40.18 | mallum | pb_: XSessoin ? |
14:42.13 | mallum | pb_: oh and could rxvt-aa have a .desktop entry ? |
14:42.53 | mallum | brb |
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15:19.01 | paul | hi |
15:19.10 | paul | gpe weekend started already? :) |
15:19.35 | mallum | paul: not sure |
15:19.41 | mallum | paul: are you going ? |
15:19.56 | paul | mallum: i've a flight to catch at 1800, so yes. |
15:20.00 | paul | mallum: are you? |
15:20.12 | mallum | paul: maybe , probably head over sunday |
15:20.18 | paul | see ya there so |
15:21.09 | mallum | paul: if I do come, I'll bring some nice toys |
15:21.17 | paul | woohoo :) |
15:29.53 | paul | oops my flight is at 1710 |
15:29.57 | paul | better go :) |
15:31.56 | mallum | cool |
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15:37.26 | F4LcON | GPE is based on GTK, roght ? Does Familiar 0.7pre6 with GPE support GTK 2 ? |
15:38.24 | mallum | F4LcON: yes I believe so |
15:38.37 | F4LcON | cool, thx |
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15:40.31 | paul | bye for now |
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15:41.31 | mallum | hey dc_ |
15:41.48 | dc_ | mallum: hey :} |
15:42.04 | mallum | dc_: when are you off to cambridge ? |
15:42.10 | dc_ | mallum: ^;30 |
15:42.13 | dc_ | 6:30 |
15:42.17 | mallum | cool |
15:42.21 | dc_ | yep! |
15:42.23 | mallum | are you in a hotel ? |
15:42.28 | dc_ | nope. |
15:42.31 | dc_ | at phil's |
15:42.34 | mallum | cool |
15:42.39 | dc_ | yep |
15:42.52 | dc_ | got my tickets here |
15:43.04 | mallum | excellent |
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15:43.16 | mccarthy | hi all |
15:43.19 | mallum | hey |
15:43.19 | dc_ | mccarthy: afternoon |
15:43.26 | dc_ | time to make some food. |
15:43.27 | mccarthy | when is this devel weekend thingie? |
15:43.33 | dc_ | mccarthy: tomorrow |
15:43.34 | dc_ | :} |
15:44.20 | mccarthy | what time are people getting together? |
15:44.25 | stargirl | when are peopl emeeting in cambridge? |
15:44.36 | dc_ | not sure, I think 10ish I guess. |
15:44.43 | dc_ | oh hey stargirl :} |
15:44.59 | mccarthy | dc_: 10ish for you is 2AM ish for me? |
15:45.15 | mccarthy | (I think?) |
15:45.23 | dc_ | sounds about right... |
15:45.44 | mccarthy | (I *finally* have cable internet at home, so I can actually do something useful there!) |
15:46.24 | mccarthy | I need to speak with pb about some fundamental changes in gpe-calendar (it is simply too damn SLOW) |
15:46.36 | dc_ | mccarthy: quite... |
15:46.41 | mallum | mccarthy: here, here |
15:46.51 | dc_ | mccarthy: I did have a talk to him about that. |
15:46.53 | mccarthy | well, it *is* my fault actaully |
15:46.56 | dc_ | stargirl: you going to be there right? |
15:47.03 | dc_ | mccarthy: ! |
15:47.09 | mccarthy | dc_: yeah what were your thoughts? |
15:47.18 | stargirl | I'm going to be there yeah |
15:47.48 | mccarthy | (it is my fault because 2 things....(1) the recurrence checking is very slow (2) using "clones" (for recurring alarms) is even slower) |
15:47.50 | dc_ | mccarthy: well, if it's all the widgets that need to be created for alarm stuff that's slowing the new appointment window down, maybe they could only load on demand. |
15:48.01 | mallum | stargirl: watch out for dc_'s charms then ;-) |
15:48.20 | dc_ | mccarthy: assuming you're talking about the new appointment window. |
15:48.36 | dc_ | you bet stargirl |
15:48.46 | stargirl | hehe |
15:48.59 | mccarthy | dc_: nope. I am talking about startup (which might not get faster anyway unless we change the appointment window thing like you say) but more importantly response time when changing views |
15:49.13 | mccarthy | got a meeting.... |
15:49.21 | dc_ | stargirl: I'll have to tie you up untill you make me a new dasher :D |
15:49.22 | mccarthy | tell pb I am looking for him :) |
15:49.34 | dc_ | mccarthy: right. |
15:49.43 | mallum | dc_: easy dc |
15:49.47 | dc_ | mccarthy: well, be on irc at 2am if you can make it, hehe. |
15:49.54 | stargirl | hehe |
15:57.08 | mallum | dc_: bring a load of snes roms with you would ya ? |
16:33.56 | nelson | dc_: dasher is cool, but ... it really needs an eye-tracking interface. |
17:00.41 | dc_ | mallum: I don't have many :-\ |
17:00.57 | dc_ | nelson: heh, not for me, my eye is swolen today. |
17:01.00 | dc_ | time to pack! |
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17:21.43 | mccarthy | dc_: you ever have a look at gpe-mapviewer? |
17:21.52 | dc__ | ack.. |
17:22.04 | dc__ | omg...and I thought I was connected all this time. |
17:22.12 | dc__ | mccarthy: no. |
17:22.16 | dc__ | mccarthy: :} |
17:23.11 | mccarthy | dc__: at 2AM, when I am still asleep, ask pb to fix my memory-leak....I think a nice mapviewer would be da bomb on an ipaq |
17:23.34 | dc__ | hehehe |
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19:17.02 | nelson | ibot: message for mccarthy: what is gpe-mapviewer? |
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