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00:00.26chrisimehttp://www.my-siemens.com/MySiemens/CDA/Index/0,2730,HQ_en_0_product%253AHO%252FNW%252FWPD%252FSIMPADCENET%252Fmanual,FF.html
00:00.38chrisimethat's the manual page
00:01.13spungthe built-in wireless makes me wonder if i should spend 250 euros in wireless card for my ipaq or buy that
00:01.34mallumchrisime: when can you get it for 335 though ?
00:02.48spungchrisime: i guess between that and a laptop...
00:04.25spungi'd go with a laptop
00:04.42chrisimespung: there's a page: www.geizhals.at/de
00:05.14chrisimeit's a page to check for computer stuff
00:05.26chrisimeand to get the cheapest prices
00:05.34spungchrisime: and it's in chinese :P
00:05.42chrisimechinese?
00:05.43tuhlThis new Zaurus device is realy cool: http://www.dynamism.com/zaurus/index.shtml
00:06.05spungchrisime: german, chinese.. my level of understanding is the same for both languages :)
00:06.26nelsonmallum: Hey-ho!
00:06.30nelsonmallum: http://handhelds.org/~nelson/fboobar.png
00:07.22chrisime699
00:07.24chrisimeeeeks
00:07.32mallumnelson: HAHA ROCK !
00:07.33chrisimespung: poor boy ;)
00:07.52spungchrisime: hey, www.miau.pt is cool, too
00:07.54mallumchrisime: you can get them 200$ cheaper than that
00:08.13chrisimeoh nice, dillo
00:08.42mallumnelson: was it 565 ?
00:09.19chrisime500 euros is not so cheap ;)
00:09.57spungyeah, you can buy stolen laptops cheaper than that
00:10.20mallumspung: yeah but no othere device on earth as a display like the c700 :-)
00:12.06spungmallum: do you run gpe on that or plain gnome?
00:12.06nelsonmallum: apparently 565, assuming that the colors are correct.
00:12.54nelsonmallum: scap a color picker, then we'll know.
00:13.30mallumnelson: no, the colors are correct
00:13.44mallumnelson: I can tell by the dock apps
00:15.31mallumnelson: and I got 565 from the framebuffer drivers source
00:16.02mallumspung: just matchbox really at the mo and a few bits from GPE
00:16.41spungmallum: does matchbox make sense in that display?
00:16.57mallumspung: X performs really badly on it in landscape mode which is a real pain and no easy solution
00:17.10spungmallum: why?
00:17.38nelsonmallum: only thing I needed to do was change the first line of the scap output.
00:17.49nelsonmallum: don't even need to change the executable.
00:18.02mallumnelson: woohoo :-)
00:18.19mallumnelson: the scap package in familiar is just a shell script right ?
00:18.48nelsonmallum: yup.  I'll change the capture.cgi program to recognize "c700" as the model.
00:19.15mallumnelson: okey, where does scap get its model id prom ?
00:19.20nelsoncat /proc/hal/model
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00:19.29nelsonwhat do you get from that?
00:19.34mallumnelson: ah that is missing on the zuarus :(
00:19.38dc_ibookibot soon pb_
00:19.38wish i knew, dc_ibook
00:19.45dc_ibookibot seen pb_
00:19.46pb_ <~pb@pc2-cmbg4-3-cust239.cmbg.cable.ntl.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #handhelds.org, 32m 12s ago, saying: 'kergoth: mmm, good thinking.  I wonder how that could be arranged.'.
00:19.56dc_ibookoops
00:19.59dc_ibookmallum: hey
00:20.08nelsonmallum: how else can you get the model?
00:21.13mallumnelson: at the moment my X scripts do it rather sketcherly via version version strings, as they aer pretty much static on the zauruses, but its a bit crappy
00:21.56nelsonain't there no /proc that will tell you?
00:22.43mallumnelson: nope. kergoth may know a little more. I think he's gonna create a 'devdetect' package which is a bit more reliable
00:23.16nelsonmallum: ahhh, yes, so he is.  Okay, in the meantime, it's gonna be your job to set $MODEL=c700.
00:23.55mallumnelson: okey, I send it manually
00:24.06dc_ibookmallum: I won't have my c700 on saturday :(
00:24.30mallumdc_ibook: :( how come ?
00:24.42mallumnelson: any idea what the content length should be ?
00:24.50dc_ibookmallum: aparently brett's girlfriend couldn't send it.
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00:25.00mallumnelson: 640x480 ?
00:25.05dc_ibookmallum: no more infomation then 'couldn't send it'.
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00:25.23mallumdc_ibook: doh :(
00:25.36dc_ibookmallum: I have to wait till april the 4th, hor
00:25.40dc_ibookhow borrring
00:26.18mallumdc_ibook: never mind I'll probably have X working real ncie by then :-)
00:26.30dc_ibookmallum: ;)
00:33.12mallumnelson: hmm didn't quite work -> http://handhelds.org/scap/port.10313.png
00:34.33nelsonmallum: try it again.
00:34.39mallumnelson: okie
00:34.42nelsonI just changed the code 20 seconds ago.
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00:36.26mallumnelson: I got the same :(
00:36.49mallumnelson: I just multiplied the ipaqs content length by 4 - that should be right though ?
00:37.15nelsonmallum: No, the content length should be the same as fboobar
00:37.35mallumnelson: doh what was that ?
00:37.41nelson1441792
00:37.48mallumokie 3rd time lucky
00:40.41nelsonmallum: you realize that you're going to make all the other scap users jealous?
00:41.37morayha
00:44.27dc_ibookhehee
00:44.59nelsonmallum: are you going to test it???
00:45.06mallumnelson: Im trying
00:45.14mallumnelson: I think it too much data for the server
00:45.19nelsonI'm holding my breath, damnit!
00:45.37nelsonmallum: how are you transmitting?  Oh, it must be via http.
00:45.55mallumHTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error
00:48.43nelsonooohhhh, that's cute.  A pale aqua.
00:49.36mallum?
00:51.56nelsonmallum: the little file you uploaded.
00:52.50nelsonhttp://handhelds.org/scap/port.32196.png
00:54.29mallumnelson: ah yes that one
00:58.32nelsonmallum: oopsies!  little bug.  try again?
00:59.27mallumnelson: okie
01:01.58nelsonmallum: woo hoo!!!
01:02.26mallumhehe
01:02.31nelsonmallum: oh, but perhaps the rotation should be 0 ?
01:02.50mallumnelson: that the screen roatated, one sec I do another
01:03.04spungmallum: what's wrong with landscape?
01:05.51mallumspung: cos X cant write directly to the framebuffer memory then, it uses a shadow framebuffer and the bus to the screen is slow
01:06.48spungmallum: hmm, that sucks... i was considering buying one.. that sucks
01:08.58mallumspung: yes, I wouldn't say it sucks but dissapointing
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01:09.21mallumspung: X is still totallu usable in landscape, just not very snappy
01:09.38spungmallum: why is it better in portrait mode?
01:10.12mallumspung: becuase X can then write directly to the framebuffer memory
01:10.30spungahhh
01:10.38dc_mallum: wahay, looks great
01:10.40spungi see
01:11.04spungmallum: would that be and xrandr issue?
01:11.09spungs/and/an
01:13.36mallumspung: yes in a way
01:14.16dc_I'm off to bed now...
01:14.25mallumdc_: gnight
01:14.29dc_need to finish off some coursework tomorrow, then I'm off on the train to cambridge :D
01:14.46mallumcool
01:14.46dc_got my tickets right here :}
01:14.52mallumI may be up sunday
01:15.01dc_mallum: aww....satrurday!
01:15.26nelsonmy family is talking about coming to the UK in July/August timeframe.
01:15.27mallumdc_: too much other stuff todo :(
01:15.37nelsonAfter county fair and before state fair.  :)
01:15.42mallumnelson: cool, you can come to my wedding :-)
01:15.46dc_mallum: that's not fair ;]
01:15.49dc_nelson: ;)
01:16.22dc_mallum: well then, make sure you make time to come up on sunday.
01:16.30nelsonGotta figure out what we can see in the UK in ten days.
01:16.47mallumdc_: yeah I think Im gonna drive up
01:16.53dc_nelson: trees, big ben and mallum's wedding :D
01:17.00nelsonObviously the Tower, Westminster, Kew Gardens, mallum's wedding.
01:17.02dc_mallum: ah cool.
01:17.17mallumnelson: you should go to the tate modern and see this massive sculpture
01:17.23dc_doh yes.
01:17.27nelson(I'll provide the running commentary for #handhelds.org)
01:17.43dc_anyway.
01:19.49mallumnelson: there is the big wheel thing to see too
01:19.59mallumnelson: and you should get out into the countryside too
01:26.08nelsonmallum: oh, plan to do that.  Maybe the broads, maybe the lake district, maybe Wales.  You know, all the quaint and pictaresque areas.
01:27.41mallumcool, nice
01:27.58mallumnelson: you could catch you eurostart to france for the day too
01:30.40nelsonthat's just a tad expensive, eh?
01:31.41mallumno, not really - though we usually collect tokens from crap newspapers and go over on the cheap to buy cheap fags / booze etc
01:32.11mallumpillage there villages etc
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07:11.15pb_morning #gpe#
07:11.55pigeonmorning pb_
07:12.12pb_hi pigeon
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09:37.06moraypb_: ping?
10:07.38pb_moray: hi
10:08.43pigeonGeez.
10:08.51pigeonwine actually runs dos games now...
10:09.01pb_heh
10:16.47Hallskipigeon: it has for a couple of year iirc
10:18.05__moraypb_: found some Germans yet?
10:19.50pb___moray: yup, just had breakfast with them
10:20.04__moraypb_: aha, have they headed into town then perhaps?
10:20.20pb_yup, I left them on Hills Road waiting for a bus into town
10:20.31__morayok
10:20.45pb_I think they plan to go out to their hotel, abandon their bags, then go back into the city.
10:20.54__morayah right.
10:21.15pb_They mentioned something about a CUCS event this evening, I think.
10:22.44__morayI'm not sure about CUCS - there's CL Happy Hour (which seems to be fairly liberal about letting people turn up these days), and apparently a meeting of geeks under the guise of Cam.pm later on
10:36.29pb_ah right
10:36.49pb_Damien is riding into town at about 8pm, so I guess we should plan to hook up with him at some point.
10:37.42morayindeed
10:40.33moraythe CL thing is 5 p.m. at the (new) CL, and would probably be a reasonable thing to fill in some time for people if nothing else is happening; and to give you all the information, the supposedly-Perl meeting (which I might go to sometimes but am not worried about missing) is at un unspecified time at the Carlton Arms IIRC
10:47.11pb_the Carlton Arms?  crumbs, I've always been too scared to go in there.
10:47.48pb_well, I'd be mildly interested to see the new CL anyway, I've never really been there (at least, not further than the foyer).
10:48.52pb_I guess I can clock out from the office at about 4pm or so and we could meet in town then.
10:56.12moraypb_: (re Carlton Arms) that's what my friend who used to live opposite it said - but it turns out it's got new owners and has been done up ;)
10:56.34pb_moray: ah, hehe
10:57.01moray(the last perl people's thing was also there and, having reluctantly gone, he then had to try and persuade us it had genuinely been bad before...)
10:57.35pb_:-)
10:58.03morayyes, meeting at 4 something would seem reasonable if you can make it (though there's no problem with being 'late' to it at any rate)
11:02.38pb_sounds good to me.
11:05.53morayanyway, off irc again for now
11:06.36pb_righto
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14:10.29mallumpb_: gpe-confd now uses sqllite ?
14:10.48pb_mallum: yeah, I think it always has.
14:11.49pb_There was (is) a compile time option to use Berkeley DB, but I don't think a version built like that was ever actually deployed.
14:12.37mallumpb_: ok ...
14:12.47mallumpb_: do you know whats up with dillo ?
14:13.19pb_nelson's problem?  no, I haven't had a chance to look at it yet.  It doesn't happen with the build I have on my i386, but I'm not sure whether that is due to different sources or something more sinister.
14:13.43mallumpb_: do you knwo where gpe-confd is creating its xsettings table ?
14:13.52mallumpb_: ok np. nelson is now maintaining it ?
14:14.21pb_you mean where it stores the database?  ~/.gpe/settings, I think.  Something like that, anyway.
14:14.34pb_I hadn't heard that nelson was maintaining dillo, but if he wants to that's fine with me.
14:15.10mallumah another hot potato
14:15.30mallumpb_: oh misunderstood, yeah dillo is not renering any pages for me anymore
14:15.43pb_oh, I see.  hmm.
14:15.53pb_not rendering anything at all, even its own splash screen?
14:16.01mallumpb_: Im getting ;
14:16.03mallum# xst write Net/ThemeName str mbcrystal
14:16.03mallumsqlite: no such table: xsettings
14:16.10mallumpb_: nope, not even its own page
14:16.39pb_That's strange.  Can you double check what version of dillo2 is installed?
14:17.17pb_Your gpe-confd problem is strange also.  It ought to create the table at startup, I think.  Maybe you could check with the sqlite console to see what's going wrong.
14:18.45mallumpb_: yeah this is on my zuarus. when does it create the table on postinst ?
14:18.50pb_no, at runtime
14:20.47mallumokey, how do I get up the sqllite console ?
14:20.53pb_sqlite ~/.gpe/settings
14:21.30pb_by the way, I just tried out your latest xserver package.  You have a stray trailing comma in the Depends line, which causes a slightly confusing error message from ipkg, but other than that it seems to work okay.
14:22.11pb_It also seems to work with my mouse, which the server in unstable didn't, though the mouse doesn't seem to get rotated by XrandR so it is a little disorienting to use in portrait mode.
14:23.53mallumpb_: what number -6 ?
14:24.54mallumpb_: this is mouse with your usb dongle thing ?
14:26.00mallumpb_: for some reason gpe-confd although started ok, by nullxdm seems to to open /root/.gpe/settings
14:26.39mallumpb_: HOME and USER are set in nullxdm and should perforate down to the gpe-confd startup - wierd
14:27.32pb_yes, usb mouse
14:27.40mallumoh cool
14:28.58nelsonmallum: no, I was just reporting a problem to pb_.
14:29.32mallumnelson: okey, yeah I got confused
14:31.49pb_looks like gpe-confd is just using g_get_home_dir(), so it should work the same as other programs.
14:32.44mallumpb_: ok I shall investigate
14:33.19mallumpb_: do all gpe related Xsession scripts use #!/bin/sh at the beginning ? nullxdm is just sorucing its session files
14:37.14pb_yeah, i believe that's what Xsession does also.
14:40.18mallumpb_: XSessoin ?
14:42.13mallumpb_: oh and could rxvt-aa have a .desktop entry ?
14:42.53mallumbrb
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15:19.01paulhi
15:19.10paulgpe weekend started already? :)
15:19.35mallumpaul: not sure
15:19.41mallumpaul: are you going ?
15:19.56paulmallum: i've a flight to catch at 1800, so yes.
15:20.00paulmallum: are  you?
15:20.12mallumpaul: maybe , probably head over sunday
15:20.18paulsee ya there so
15:21.09mallumpaul: if I do come, I'll bring some nice toys
15:21.17paulwoohoo :)
15:29.53pauloops my flight is at 1710
15:29.57paulbetter go :)
15:31.56mallumcool
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15:37.26F4LcONGPE is based on GTK, roght ? Does Familiar 0.7pre6 with GPE support GTK 2  ?
15:38.24mallumF4LcON: yes I believe so
15:38.37F4LcONcool, thx
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15:40.31paulbye for now
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15:41.31mallumhey dc_
15:41.48dc_mallum: hey :}
15:42.04mallumdc_: when are you off to cambridge ?
15:42.10dc_mallum: ^;30
15:42.13dc_6:30
15:42.17mallumcool
15:42.21dc_yep!
15:42.23mallumare you in a hotel ?
15:42.28dc_nope.
15:42.31dc_at phil's
15:42.34mallumcool
15:42.39dc_yep
15:42.52dc_got my tickets here
15:43.04mallumexcellent
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15:43.16mccarthyhi all
15:43.19mallumhey
15:43.19dc_mccarthy: afternoon
15:43.26dc_time to make some food.
15:43.27mccarthywhen is this devel weekend thingie?
15:43.33dc_mccarthy: tomorrow
15:43.34dc_:}
15:44.20mccarthywhat time are people getting together?
15:44.25stargirlwhen are peopl emeeting in cambridge?
15:44.36dc_not sure, I think 10ish I guess.
15:44.43dc_oh hey stargirl :}
15:44.59mccarthydc_: 10ish for you is 2AM ish for me?
15:45.15mccarthy(I think?)
15:45.23dc_sounds about right...
15:45.44mccarthy(I *finally* have cable internet at home, so I can actually do something useful there!)
15:46.24mccarthyI need to speak with pb about some fundamental changes in gpe-calendar (it is simply too damn SLOW)
15:46.36dc_mccarthy: quite...
15:46.41mallummccarthy: here, here
15:46.51dc_mccarthy: I did have a talk to him about that.
15:46.53mccarthywell, it *is* my fault actaully
15:46.56dc_stargirl: you going to be there right?
15:47.03dc_mccarthy: !
15:47.09mccarthydc_: yeah what were your thoughts?
15:47.18stargirlI'm going to be there yeah
15:47.48mccarthy(it is my fault because 2 things....(1) the recurrence checking is very slow (2) using "clones" (for recurring alarms) is even slower)
15:47.50dc_mccarthy: well, if it's all the widgets that need to be created for alarm stuff that's slowing the new appointment window down, maybe they could only load on demand.
15:48.01mallumstargirl: watch out for dc_'s charms then ;-)
15:48.20dc_mccarthy: assuming you're talking about the new appointment window.
15:48.36dc_you bet stargirl
15:48.46stargirlhehe
15:48.59mccarthydc_: nope. I am talking about startup (which might not get faster anyway unless we change the appointment window thing like you say) but more importantly response time when changing views
15:49.13mccarthygot a meeting....
15:49.21dc_stargirl: I'll have to tie you up untill you make me a new dasher :D
15:49.22mccarthytell pb I am looking for him :)
15:49.34dc_mccarthy: right.
15:49.43mallumdc_: easy dc
15:49.47dc_mccarthy: well, be on irc at 2am if you can make it, hehe.
15:49.54stargirlhehe
15:57.08mallumdc_: bring a load of snes roms with you would ya ?
16:33.56nelsondc_: dasher is cool, but ... it really needs an eye-tracking interface.
17:00.41dc_mallum: I don't have many :-\
17:00.57dc_nelson: heh, not for me, my eye is swolen today.
17:01.00dc_time to pack!
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17:21.43mccarthydc_: you ever have a look at gpe-mapviewer?
17:21.52dc__ack..
17:22.04dc__omg...and I thought I was connected all this time.
17:22.12dc__mccarthy: no.
17:22.16dc__mccarthy: :}
17:23.11mccarthydc__: at 2AM, when I am still asleep, ask pb to fix my memory-leak....I think a nice mapviewer would be da bomb on an ipaq
17:23.34dc__hehehe
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19:17.02nelsonibot: message for mccarthy: what is gpe-mapviewer?
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