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| 01:30.40 | mallum | hey jg |
| 01:30.51 | jg | hi |
| 01:32.27 | Hallski | hi |
| 01:33.33 | jg | evening... |
| 01:35.16 | jg | mallum: how goes the battle? |
| 01:35.20 | mallum | hey Hallski |
| 01:36.08 | mallum | jg: good good, got networking up on my c700, managed to enable usb networking letting it charge a bit then I'll try a tinyX binary on it before bedtime |
| 01:36.59 | jg | mallum: the only technical thing I had a chance to do today was build 4.3 and install on my laptop. |
| 01:37.19 | jg | next is to try to do an ipaq build, and see what's broken. |
| 01:38.10 | mallum | jg: I dont think the fonts are broken |
| 01:38.34 | mallum | jg: I think people were just creating the font.dir's the wrong way maybe ... |
| 01:38.35 | jg | I was referring to my development environment. |
| 01:38.42 | jg | oh. |
| 01:38.52 | jg | have you been able to add the directory path? |
| 01:39.18 | jg | I know the fonts aren't broken. |
| 01:39.29 | jg | either the server or the ancillary files. |
| 01:39.34 | mallum | jg: havn't tried as yet, but the 4.3 release notes seem to suggest ttfmkfontdir isn't needed anymore |
| 01:39.47 | jg | oh |
| 01:39.50 | mallum | jg: yeah I mean the ancillary files |
| 01:40.19 | jg | I suppose I should read the release notes. |
| 01:40.52 | mallum | yeah there is a whole section on fonts :-) |
| 01:40.56 | jg | Monday should be busy and fun: have an interesting job candidate, and Alan Kay is visiting and I'm taking him to lunch.... |
| 01:41.07 | mallum | who is alan kay ? |
| 01:41.27 | jg | google him: alan kay window system xerox, or some such.... |
| 01:42.49 | jg | http://www.eecs.mit.edu/AY95-96/events/bush/ak.html |
| 01:42.51 | mallum | got it |
| 01:43.24 | mallum | its quite insane when people quotes dates for these things ( such as overlapping windows ) and there the 60's |
| 01:43.59 | jg | current project: see www.squeak.org |
| 01:44.52 | mallum | ah the small talk thing |
| 01:45.06 | jg | mallum: understand I first started playing with a single user computer with storage tube display scope and a tablet in the fall of 1972... |
| 01:45.16 | mallum | jg: btw, how come your not coming to the uk with other hp guys - leg still too busted ? |
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| 01:45.29 | mallum | jg: hehe, I wasn't even born :-) |
| 01:45.37 | dc_ | mallum: hey! |
| 01:45.40 | mallum | hey dc_ |
| 01:45.48 | mallum | dc_: up late ? |
| 01:45.53 | dc_ | mallum: half term! |
| 01:45.54 | dc_ | :D |
| 01:46.16 | mallum | dc_: hehe |
| 01:46.39 | jg | had a fun peripheral: 24" scope. |
| 01:47.16 | jg | mallum: I have to attend guadec in Dublin in June.... |
| 01:47.16 | jg | So I have to go across the pond then, and will do some visiting to Britain then.... |
| 01:47.17 | jg | mallum: not to mention i'm still recovering with physical therapy, etc.... |
| 01:47.21 | jg | since I have to go in June, the company is watching its nickles, and I have to work on my ankle, it seemed best to take a pass. |
| 01:47.37 | mallum | jg: okey cool |
| 01:47.54 | mallum | jg: Im gonna try and make it to guadec too |
| 01:48.06 | mallum | jg: my cousing lives in dublin so I can stay with her |
| 01:48.10 | jg | Don't think I wouldn't like to go though.... |
| 01:48.10 | jg | I sure would.... |
| 01:48.10 | jg | that's close for you... |
| 01:48.37 | mallum | jg: yeah, dublin is really nice too |
| 01:49.42 | mallum | jg: what the purpose of jameys etc visit, just a kind of meet and grreet for the UK staff ? |
| 01:57.43 | jg | mallum: and planning for joint projects.... |
| 01:58.56 | jg | mallum: town fire alarm horns went off, so I got interrupted.... |
| 02:12.45 | pb_ | dc_: hey, how's your documentation coming along? |
| 02:12.56 | dc_ | pb_: good, just making some nice images. |
| 02:13.11 | dc_ | pb_: to show how the stock buttons and toolbars will look with different arguments |
| 02:13.20 | dc_ | I'll commit it in a bit |
| 02:13.35 | pb_ | dc_: ah, sounds good |
| 02:14.26 | jg | dc_: did you figure out if esr is right, or do the docbook docs still suck? |
| 02:14.37 | mallum | hmmm, anyone know if its possible to send a file over telnet ? |
| 02:14.45 | pb_ | mallum: don't think so. |
| 02:14.51 | jg | mallum: of course... |
| 02:14.54 | dc_ | jg: I still suck at docbook :] |
| 02:14.55 | dc_ | heh |
| 02:14.59 | jg | pb_: you're too young... |
| 02:15.07 | pb_ | jg: heh |
| 02:15.10 | jg | think minicom.... |
| 02:15.20 | pb_ | jg: oh, that doesn't count. |
| 02:15.45 | jg | well, giving a hint... |
| 02:16.02 | mallum | rz - waiting to recieve ... |
| 02:16.33 | mallum | whats to send though - arg , no that cant be right :( |
| 02:16.36 | jg | mallum: you got it... |
| 02:17.08 | moray | hi people |
| 02:17.09 | mallum | jg: okey I run rz on the host, but what do I run on the client ? |
| 02:17.13 | pb_ | hi moray |
| 02:17.14 | dc_ | hey moray |
| 02:17.47 | jg | sz |
| 02:18.17 | mallum | jg: so rz in my selnet window ? |
| 02:18.25 | jg | yeah... |
| 02:18.44 | dc_ | pb_: okay, have a look at the docs now |
| 02:18.46 | mallum | jg: then just sz on the file ? how does it know where to send it though ? |
| 02:18.52 | jg | and then you escape in telnet to a shell, I suspect.... |
| 02:19.20 | jg | never actually done this myself... |
| 02:19.25 | mallum | heh |
| 02:19.26 | dc_ | heh |
| 02:19.28 | moray | pb_: so do we want something on linux.org.uk? just e.g. the first paragraph from the wiki page? |
| 02:19.43 | pb_ | moray: ah yes, I'd forgotten about that. Sounds good. |
| 02:23.49 | pb_ | dc_: to clarify the icon finding stuff a bit: gpe_find_icon will display an error and terminate the program if you ask it for an icon that does not exist; ie it can never return NULL, and there is no need to check its return value for validity. If you need to be able to continue in the face of missing icons, or opportunistically use icons that were not preloaded, you should use gpe_try_find_icon. |
| 02:24.45 | dc_ | right |
| 02:26.55 | mallum | jg: whats the command to escape out of a telnet session ? |
| 02:27.02 | mallum | jg: or key combo > |
| 02:27.20 | moray | Trying 172.31.150.1... |
| 02:27.20 | moray | Connected to zeus.jcn.srcf.net. |
| 02:27.20 | moray | Escape character is '^]'. |
| 02:27.21 | moray | :p |
| 02:27.32 | mallum | doh of course :) |
| 02:31.50 | mallum | hmm, can seem to get it to execute a command '!' dont work |
| 02:32.37 | mallum | doh it has wget on it !!! |
| 02:32.53 | dc_ | :] |
| 02:33.12 | jg | well, I was presuming you could only telnet... |
| 02:35.28 | mallum | jg: yeah me too |
| 02:35.36 | mallum | jg: Xipaq downloading ... |
| 02:36.42 | jg | interesting to read Hans Blix's report.... |
| 02:37.53 | moray | jg: there's another one out? I've lost track of the outside world this week by being constantly busy with work |
| 02:38.03 | jg | I sure get the feeling Iraq is just stalling for time.... But this was what I expected 6 months ago... |
| 02:38.09 | jg | yes, on nytimes. |
| 02:38.14 | jg | draft report is there. |
| 02:38.19 | moray | ah right. |
| 02:38.26 | jg | Final due march 3. |
| 02:39.09 | jg | the wonderful thing about the web is getting to see original information, rather than just filtered pablum. |
| 02:40.34 | mallum | We have X :-) |
| 02:41.06 | pigeon | Hmm can the bootldr read ext2/ext3 filesystem? |
| 02:41.11 | jg | mallum: this is news? |
| 02:41.25 | jg | pigeon: no, I don't think so. |
| 02:41.43 | jg | Unless Nontoxic has hacked it or something.... |
| 02:41.53 | pigeon | Oh ok... |
| 02:42.16 | pigeon | Wanna try the "alternative procedure for flashing" but it says it needs vfat on the cf. |
| 02:42.27 | mallum | jg: well have you run X on a 640x480 pda before ? ;-) |
| 02:42.51 | jg | pigeon: yeah, the latest bootloader can read flash in that form. |
| 02:43.10 | jg | mallum: no. |
| 02:43.13 | jg | what pda? |
| 02:43.28 | mallum | jg: sharp c700 |
| 02:43.49 | dc_ | =] |
| 02:43.49 | mallum | jg: the display is slightly smaller than the ipaq's but 640x480 |
| 02:43.58 | dc_ | mallum: you got yours? |
| 02:44.04 | mallum | dc_: yep :) |
| 02:44.09 | dc_ | mallum: wow |
| 02:44.09 | jg | mallum: yeah, next iPAQ's are going higher res too... |
| 02:44.19 | mallum | jg: yeah I hope so |
| 02:44.32 | jg | get out libglade and start hacking... |
| 02:44.40 | mallum | jg: unfortunatly this sharp is woefully underpowered for such a small display |
| 02:44.54 | jg | what's the processor? |
| 02:45.11 | dc_ | mallum: checkout gpe/html/developers/libgpewidget.shtml in cvs :0 |
| 02:45.13 | dc_ | ;] |
| 02:46.01 | mallum | jg: xscale, 64Mb flash, 32 RAM !! |
| 02:46.09 | dc_ | hehhh |
| 02:46.11 | jg | it should do ok..... |
| 02:47.29 | jg | mallum: there is a discussion going on in gnome land to remove the ability to even generate c code from glade.... |
| 02:47.32 | jg | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:47.33 | mallum | yeah would be nice if 64/64 |
| 02:47.49 | jg | mallum: yeah, seems a bit silly to only be 32. |
| 02:48.23 | mallum | jg: yeah qtopia is slow as crap on it |
| 02:49.01 | jg | mallum: well, I expect X will be ok... |
| 02:49.10 | mallum | jg: yeah fingers crossed |
| 02:49.37 | jg | mallum: does it have any hardware assist for the graphics, like the 54xx |
| 02:49.43 | jg | does? |
| 02:50.02 | mallum | jg: Im not sure, most of the docs for it are japanese |
| 02:50.08 | dc_ | heh |
| 02:50.08 | mallum | jg: well all the docs :( |
| 02:50.25 | jg | seems like a problem.... |
| 02:50.26 | dc_ | jg: the 5450 has hw? |
| 02:50.32 | jg | you could open it up and see... |
| 02:50.46 | mallum | jg: I am far too scared |
| 02:50.51 | jg | dc_: yes, the graphics chip has a couple useful functions we'll use sometime... |
| 02:50.59 | dc_ | jg: =) |
| 02:51.02 | mallum | jg: I cant imagine how packed in the electronic are |
| 02:51.08 | jg | came for free in the chip. |
| 02:51.20 | dc_ | jg: I guess I really have to annoy jamey when I meet him |
| 02:51.34 | mallum | jg: see http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT5295837592.html |
| 02:51.38 | jg | I'd have thought they'd call out that in summary marketing blurbs... |
| 02:51.57 | mallum | jg: it is smaller than the ipaq both width when folded and width/height |
| 02:51.58 | jg | dc_: why? |
| 02:52.12 | dc_ | mallum: looks nice :) |
| 02:52.19 | dc_ | jg: I'm getting one this week |
| 02:52.45 | dc_ | mallum: I can't imagine the size of the fonts. |
| 02:52.48 | mallum | the battery is terrible on it too |
| 02:53.00 | mallum | dc_: its the wierdest display |
| 02:53.06 | jg | looks like it doesn't have hardware assist. |
| 02:53.12 | mallum | it just ran out :( |
| 02:53.25 | jg | The feature of hardware assist is to be able to turn off the CPU when idle, and still drive the display.... |
| 02:53.46 | mallum | cool |
| 02:53.52 | dc_ | nice |
| 02:53.56 | jg | that's why we added the graphics chip in the 5400.... |
| 02:54.02 | mallum | 3d chips in handhelds are gonna be pretty exciting .. |
| 02:54.02 | jg | battery lifetime :-). |
| 02:54.04 | dc_ | :) |
| 02:54.08 | jg | some year... |
| 02:54.13 | jg | no time soon. |
| 02:54.35 | dc_ | quite right |
| 02:54.37 | dc_ | anyway |
| 02:54.48 | dc_ | sleep is gaining the upper half of my life. |
| 02:54.56 | jg | dc_: good night.... |
| 02:54.58 | dc_ | or maybe I'm just sleepy |
| 02:55.11 | mallum | yeah sleep is a good idea |
| 02:55.15 | dc_ | hrm...heh... |
| 02:55.21 | jg | yup. Me too.... |
| 02:55.26 | jg | good night all.... |
| 02:55.30 | mallum | g;night |
| 02:55.33 | dc_ | the thought of having to 'start' all my apps in the morning |
| 02:55.34 | dc_ | ngiht |
| 02:55.36 | dc_ | night |
| 02:55.38 | dc_ | :] |
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| 11:46.21 | florian | hi all! |
| 11:47.12 | PaxAnima | hi |
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| 12:03.13 | florian | pb_: hello |
| 12:03.23 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 12:24.54 | florian | did someone install Nils bluetooth packages? |
| 12:25.14 | pb_ | yeah, I have them installed |
| 12:29.06 | florian | i noticed that my ipkg wants to install libgtk1.2 for them... |
| 12:29.24 | florian | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:29.24 | florian | Package bluez-utils is already installed in root. |
| 12:29.24 | florian | configuring unpacked packages |
| 12:29.24 | florian | Downloading http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l/libgtk1.2_1.2.10-2-fam1_arm.ipk |
| 12:30.01 | florian | the dependencies look correct... |
| 12:44.25 | pb_ | hrm |
| 12:44.41 | pb_ | I don't have libgtk1.2 installed here. |
| 12:47.19 | florian | hmm, ok - i'll try to remove the old one first |
| 12:47.35 | pb_ | good idea |
| 12:50.27 | florian | hmm, the same effect... |
| 12:52.20 | pb_ | strange. |
| 12:52.37 | pb_ | maybe inspect your local status file to see if anything depends on libgtk1.2. |
| 12:55.11 | florian | yep, i'll di this... after upgrading the kernel... |
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| 14:15.53 | pb_ | any news on your bluez thing? |
| 14:29.01 | florian_ | not really, i removed them and they didn't really dissapear... removed the files and status entry and behaviour was still the same |
| 14:35.17 | pb_ | strange. |
| 14:35.33 | pb_ | did you find anything in /usr/lib/ipkg/status that mentioned libgtk1.2 or libgpewidget0? |
| 14:45.22 | florian_ | yes, the old version of bluez-utils |
| 14:45.46 | pb_ | hm |
| 14:49.16 | florian_ | installed them with all they wanted to install... strange but works. |
| 14:51.13 | pb_ | Strange indeed. |
| 14:56.01 | florian_ | hmm... is there a way to configure a new bnep device after connection? |
| 14:56.22 | pb_ | what do you mean, exactly? You can use hotplug, I guess. |
| 15:06.15 | florian_ | ah, ther was the word "automatic" missing... thats what i want. |
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| 15:07.47 | dc_ | morning :) |
| 15:08.43 | florian_ | dc_: hi! not really? ;-) |
| 15:08.53 | dc_ | evening then :0 |
| 15:10.42 | pb_ | dc_: yo |
| 15:11.03 | dc_ | pb_: hey |
| 15:12.27 | pb_ | I'm reinstalling my ARM development machine. :-/ |
| 15:12.36 | dc_ | joy :| |
| 15:12.39 | dc_ | heh |
| 15:12.40 | pb_ | quite. |
| 15:29.59 | pb_ | dc_: oh, I had some more remarks about your documentation :-) |
| 15:30.08 | dc_ | pb_: yeah ? |
| 15:30.38 | pb_ | dc_: in the my_icons struct, the second string is actually optional. You can give just the name, and it will assume the filename is the same. |
| 15:31.09 | dc_ | ah cool |
| 15:31.11 | dc_ | right |
| 15:31.49 | pb_ | also, in the toolbar section, it might be worth exploring gtk_toolbar_insert_stock. |
| 15:32.02 | dc_ | doh :] |
| 15:32.19 | pb_ | I'm not sure if any programs actually use that, but maybe they should. |
| 15:34.20 | pb_ | and, also on stock items, I'm not really clear what the difference is between gpe_button_new_from_stock (xx, GPE_BUTTON_TYPE_BOTH) and gtk_button_new_from_stock (xx). They seem to look much the same. |
| 15:40.52 | dc_ | there isn't any |
| 15:41.07 | pb_ | ah, ok |
| 15:41.09 | dc_ | it's just so people can use gpe_button_new_from_stock for all buttons |
| 15:41.22 | pb_ | right, I see. |
| 15:41.33 | pb_ | makes sense. |
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| 16:08.44 | dan_t | TheMasterMind1: are you here ? |
| 16:18.08 | dan_t | any ipkg developper here ? |
| 16:27.46 | dc_ | hrm |
| 16:28.14 | dc_ | pb_: you have any ideas on where to obtain external 802.11 arials? |
| 16:28.43 | dc_ | pb_: the setup here is growing pretty rapidly :] |
| 16:29.02 | pb_ | dc_: most places that sell wifi kit sell aerials too |
| 16:29.23 | dc_ | pb_: by the end of the week the satellite will be install, then we have to a good arial to supply the surround houses. |
| 16:29.30 | pb_ | ah, heh, cool |
| 16:29.30 | dc_ | pb_: which will pay for our satillite :) |
| 16:29.43 | dc_ | pb_: and look what I found today http://www.apconnections.net/ |
| 16:29.57 | dc_ | pb_: just what's needed for multiuser providing :] |
| 16:30.12 | dc_ | hmmm...time to try dabs |
| 16:30.48 | pb_ | dc_: heh, looks ideal. |
| 16:31.17 | dc_ | lucky I happened to visit freshmeat this morning |
| 16:38.00 | dc_ | ibot convert 10000 AUD to GBP |
| 16:38.43 | dc_ | hrm |
| 16:38.51 | dc_ | australian dollars. |
| 16:38.58 | dc_ | I swear it's AUD |
| 16:40.02 | pb_ | probably just ibot being sucky again |
| 16:40.12 | pb_ | I don't think it understands "currency for..." anymore either. |
| 16:46.29 | dc_ | hrm |
| 16:47.08 | dc_ | pb_: do you think it'd make sense if I put an omni-directional arial on the underside of my roof pointing down into my house... |
| 16:47.20 | dc_ | that would cover all the rooms there I guess... |
| 16:47.36 | pb_ | dc_: yes, possibly. though it might be better to put it inside the house somewhere, rather than on the roof. |
| 16:47.37 | dc_ | then I'd need two directional ones.. |
| 16:48.06 | pb_ | ibot, change 10000 aud to gbp |
| 16:48.10 | dc_ | pb_: oh I mean on the roof of the room that's on my second floor |
| 16:48.15 | pb_ | magic |
| 16:48.15 | dc_ | :] |
| 16:48.36 | pb_ | dc_: ah, I see. Yes, that might make sense. |
| 16:48.58 | dc_ | pb_: the bathroom on our second floor is in the center of the house, plus it also has a cupboard to put all the equitment it. |
| 16:49.07 | pb_ | dc_: sounds ideal then |
| 16:52.01 | dc_ | I think I may go for a d-link areal an ap |
| 16:54.41 | pb_ | right |
| 16:55.27 | dc_ | the cupboard is also facing my room which is in a seperate building |
| 16:55.44 | dc_ | so I guess I will also but a directional arial to point here |
| 16:56.08 | pb_ | It might be okay with just the omni aerial. |
| 16:56.13 | dc_ | pb_: I guess I just buy some splitter for them? |
| 16:56.17 | dc_ | pb_: ah hrrm |
| 16:56.37 | pb_ | dc_: the AP will only put out a fixed amount of power; splitting it between two aerials is not going to make things much better. |
| 16:56.47 | dc_ | ahh |
| 16:56.49 | dc_ | hrm |
| 16:57.03 | dc_ | pb_: what arial would you suggest from http://www.dabs.com/DLink/dlink.asp?s=388 |
| 16:58.32 | pb_ | dc_: for use inside a house, I think one of the ordinary "omnidirectional indoor antennas" would be enough. |
| 17:03.23 | dc_ | so do we then hope that it reaches to the other building? |
| 17:03.32 | dc_ | http://www.dlink.com/products/DigitalHome/Wireless/11b/ant24-0401/ |
| 17:03.40 | pb_ | Yeah. How far away is the other building? |
| 17:04.03 | pb_ | Just roughly will do :-) |
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| 17:06.34 | BluefoxIcy | you know |
| 17:06.47 | BluefoxIcy | the lock icon and logout icon on gpe2 look exactly like the ones on kde |
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| 17:07.32 | BluefoxIcy | hi |
| 17:07.37 | BluefoxIcy | you know the lock icon and logout icon on gpe2 look exactly like the ones on kde |
| 17:08.01 | dc_ | right |
| 17:08.08 | dc_ | pb_: hehe, 8m |
| 17:08.16 | pb_ | dc_: shouldn't be a problem |
| 17:08.22 | dc_ | pb_: right. |
| 17:08.30 | pb_ | dc_: nominal range for these things is about 100m. |
| 17:08.35 | dc_ | pb_: does that arial look okay? |
| 17:09.11 | pb_ | yeah, or http://www.dlink.com/products/DigitalHome/Wireless/11b/ant24_0500/ |
| 17:09.55 | dc_ | funky |
| 17:10.04 | dc_ | 5bDi |
| 17:10.09 | dc_ | dBi |
| 17:10.10 | pb_ | dc_: you may find it works perfectly well without any external antenna at all |
| 17:10.25 | dc_ | pb_: well yes, that could be good :0 |
| 17:10.48 | pb_ | so, maybe the thing to do is buy just the AP to start with, and add an antenna if you find the signal is too weak |
| 17:11.35 | dc_ | pb_: good idea :0 |
| 17:11.42 | dc_ | damn this shift key |
| 17:11.48 | pb_ | heh |
| 17:11.58 | dc_ | I guess it's AP chosing time then, hehe. |
| 17:16.15 | pb_ | guess so. |
| 17:20.39 | dc_ | hrmm |
| 17:21.31 | dc_ | http://www.dlink.com/products/digitalHome/wireless/11b+/dwl900ap+/ and the DWL-900AP+ at http://www.dabs.com/DLink/dlink.asp?s=388 seem a 'bit' different |
| 17:21.44 | dc_ | maybe dabs have the wrong picutre.. |
| 17:22.01 | dc_ | but then why at dabs, is the + cheaper than the normal DWL-900AP |
| 17:25.21 | pb_ | hm, interesting |
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| 17:52.19 | paul | dc_: have a look at the DWL905 package on dabs.com at the moment. |
| 17:52.33 | paul | dc_: DWL1000AP + 2 DWL650 802.11b nics. |
| 17:52.43 | paul | 140 quid or so. |
| 17:56.07 | paul | pb_: how much is there to do for the 39xx mmc support? |
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| 18:37.19 | BluefoxIcy | pb_: |
| 18:37.30 | pb_ | paul: just needs a driver written. shouldn't be all that hard. |
| 18:37.38 | BluefoxIcy | pb_: gpe-nmf needs libpopt.so.0 on gpe2-pb10 |
| 18:37.57 | BluefoxIcy | pb_: what package do I need to install to make gpe-nmf work on gpe2? |
| 18:39.23 | BluefoxIcy | libpopt |
| 18:40.00 | BluefoxIcy | I hope this thing has libc6 on it |
| 18:40.26 | BluefoxIcy | pb_: http://ipkgfind.handhelds.org/details.phtml?package=libpopt0&id=1933627&official=&format= I hope this makes its way onto gpe2 .... ;-) Otherwise nmf won't work |
| 18:48.01 | BluefoxIcy | this is retarded.. |
| 18:48.16 | BluefoxIcy | ...there's no sound, it can't read the ID3 tags.. are the modules for MP3 and ogg in? |
| 18:55.06 | BluefoxIcy | okay if you're gonna sleep I'm gonna start leaving things in a query that I'm having to install to fix these busted dependencies |
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| 19:45.28 | dc__ | florian_: I'm gonna make a few changed to the gpe-conf widgets to just show you how I think it could look a neater |
| 19:45.34 | dc__ | s/a// |
| 20:05.48 | dc__ | florian_: listen to this. |
| 20:06.35 | dc__ | florian_: I propose we put your great color selector into libgpewidget, along with my popup menu code. Then both gpe-word and gpe-conf can make use of them. |
| 20:06.36 | dc__ | :] |
| 20:10.29 | pb_ | dc__: sounds like a good plan |
| 20:16.49 | dc__ | pb_: cool |
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| 20:19.26 | pb_ | dc__: wanna send me a patch to add your popup stuff? |
| 20:19.38 | dc__ | pb_: this will also include two convenience functions for font and color popups. |
| 20:19.48 | pb_ | righto |
| 20:19.55 | dc__ | pb_: do want me to before it's commit to cvs? |
| 20:20.00 | dc__ | *ed |
| 20:20.29 | pb_ | dc__: no, I guess you can go ahead and just check it in. |
| 20:20.55 | dc__ | they're new files, so it shouldn't be able to cause to much trouble :) |
| 20:21.02 | pb_ | heh, indeed. |
| 20:21.46 | pb_ | florian_: btw, I checked in some libgpewidget changes that may make gpe-bluetooth able to be saved in .mbdock. |
| 20:21.54 | pb_ | haven't tested that yet, however. |
| 20:22.50 | pb_ | dc__: did you ever have any ideas on an icon for gpe-teleport? |
| 20:27.14 | dc__ | not as of yet |
| 20:27.19 | pb_ | darn |
| 20:27.30 | dc__ | it's a challenging one |
| 20:28.01 | pb_ | yes. :-/ |
| 20:28.09 | dc__ | I'll promise to have a more detailed look at some possibilties once I finish this popup business |
| 20:28.14 | pb_ | heh, cool |
| 20:30.18 | pb_ | I'd like to make it into a panel app, but that requires an icon. |
| 20:30.23 | dc__ | ah okay |
| 20:30.41 | dc__ | let me quickly see then |
| 20:31.04 | pb_ | thanks |
| 20:32.21 | dc__ | hrm, it defently has to be something that's reconisable at 16x16 :\ |
| 20:32.40 | pb_ | yeah |
| 20:32.47 | pb_ | that always makes it more difficult. |
| 20:41.12 | jg | pb_: just got a report of the X server growing huge (17 megabytes). This is usually a buggy application leaking pixmaps.... |
| 20:41.19 | jg | (or buggy toolkit). |
| 20:46.27 | spung | jg: it used to happen to me a lot .. haven't checked lately |
| 20:47.15 | jg | spung: well, I just got a report... |
| 20:49.04 | BluefoxIcy | you know |
| 20:49.14 | BluefoxIcy | gpe is really ugly now... >:) |
| 20:49.19 | BluefoxIcy | I overexposed myself to gpe2 |
| 20:50.17 | BluefoxIcy | pb_: Why didn't installing gpe-nmf 0.06 get me sound.. wait nevermind. gpe-nmf 0.06 never actually ran |
| 20:50.38 | pb_ | jg: I saw that report, yes. |
| 20:50.59 | pb_ | jg: There was a suggestion that it might be caused by dillo, but I haven't seen anything conclusive. |
| 20:51.21 | BluefoxIcy | hmm |
| 20:52.11 | jg | pb_: there is some new stuff in 4.3 to look at pixmap usage... I suppose we should add that extension to our build to make it easier to diagnose this sort of stuff. |
| 20:52.33 | pb_ | jg: that might be useful, yeah. |
| 20:53.14 | pb_ | jg: I could use that on my desktop too. The xserver here routinely grows to 600 megabytes. |
| 20:53.21 | spung | jg: i was going to ask that |
| 20:53.23 | spung | :) |
| 20:53.48 | BluefoxIcy | how active is work on gpe2? |
| 20:53.50 | jg | pb_: that sounds broken. |
| 20:54.00 | jg | BluefoxIcy: pretty active. |
| 20:54.24 | spung | my X size: 414M |
| 20:54.25 | spung | :\ |
| 20:54.26 | BluefoxIcy | jg: There's something busted... gstreamer or something.. that won't let gpe-nmf work |
| 20:54.48 | BluefoxIcy | jg: what's worse, nobody will rewrite XMMS and reskin it to work on the gpe |
| 20:55.20 | pb_ | jg: that was my thought also, but I haven't been able to pin down the brokenness. |
| 21:01.33 | dc__ | pb_: the best I can do is two monitors with an arrrow pointing to the other. |
| 21:01.43 | dc__ | pb_: but that's hopeless at 16x16 |
| 21:04.33 | dc__ | bbl |
| 21:11.41 | spung | anyone know how i can have a GtkPane that doesn't redraw all the time (uh oh my english sucks) ? |
| 21:16.32 | jg | keithp: time to go install my new motherboard..... |
| 21:16.52 | spung | keithp: yeah |
| 21:16.53 | spung | :D |
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| 23:14.13 | BluefoxIcy | hey |
| 23:14.16 | BluefoxIcy | gpe-nmf |
| 23:14.23 | BluefoxIcy | increase the buffer |
| 23:14.59 | BluefoxIcy | I havfe a 128 cf now and the old buffer is inadequate; files read properly, but nmf skips every 10 seconds |
| 23:15.56 | florian_ | re |
| 23:15.59 | BluefoxIcy | the buffer size should be adjustable. And fifo, and constantly filled. It should not let it pour to empty if it can keep up. |
| 23:16.02 | pb_ | re florian |
| 23:16.13 | BluefoxIcy | If it does, then maybe it sould like automatically increase the buffer? |
| 23:17.34 | BluefoxIcy | (crappy gpe-nmf 0.06 is likely mmapping the files instead of reading a stream isn't it ><) |
| 23:17.59 | pb_ | seems unlikely. I don't think any version of NMF has ever used mmap. |
| 23:18.36 | pb_ | in never incarnations, all that stuff is handled by GnomeVFS anyway, NMF doesn't get to control it. |
| 23:22.39 | florian_ | pb_: this is great, i think gpe-bluetooth is an interesting tool... and bluetooth is very complex - this means much work and cool features :-) |
| 23:23.09 | florian_ | dc___: alive? |
| 23:23.14 | pb_ | florian_: quite so. :-) |
| 23:24.23 | pb_ | actually, I should build some new gpe-bluetooth packages I guess. |
| 23:24.53 | florian_ | pb_: i think your guess is right :-) |
| 23:30.02 | PaxAnima | my posting on the multisync mailing list is starting to give results: more and more peoeple are demanding doc on how to create plugins for it ;) |
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| 23:37.11 | PaxAnima | hi, dc__ |
| 23:41.13 | florian_ | dc__: good idea moving the color selector to libgpewidget - wit one small problem. the color selector widget is gpl :-/ |
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| 23:49.49 | florian_ | dc_: which one is the real dc? ;-) |
| 23:50.48 | PaxAnima | dc_, dc__ , dc__: why not just "dc"? ;) |
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| 23:51.12 | florian_ | mallum: hi mallum! |
| 23:53.40 | mallum | hey florian_ |
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