00:00.14 | pb_ | hi pigeon_work |
00:00.31 | pigeon_work | pb_: Yay! |
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03:23.59 | winikeh | anyone here know anything about hotsyncing a smartphone? |
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07:48.36 | florian | hi all! |
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09:39.49 | sjw | I see there are .po files in the CVS repository, but they contain things like "Open File"... shouldn't this text be in a general.po file? Otherwise we'll have to translate "Open File" for every app? |
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09:51.57 | florian | mallum: hi! |
09:52.03 | mallum | hey florian |
09:52.24 | mallum | florian: btw I there is a debug build in my experimental of matchbox |
09:53.03 | florian | mallum: is there a way to change mbdesktop background image on the fly? |
09:53.07 | mallum | florian: probably http://www.handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/experimental/matchbox-snap20030116.tar.gz |
09:53.21 | mallum | florian: not currently, but soon |
09:53.29 | florian | mallum: ok - great... |
09:54.19 | mallum | florian: probably work via xsettings, shouldn't take me long to do |
09:54.56 | florian | mallum: ok, got it :-) |
09:55.50 | florian | mallum: this would be nice - because it's necessary to change this in gpe-conf |
09:56.09 | mallum | florian: its a slightly older matchbox, but not much of the wm internals have changed |
09:56.26 | mallum | florian: it should spec a load of debug info to stdout and be backtraceable |
09:57.28 | florian | ok, ill chack this.. |
09:57.40 | florian | s/chack/check |
10:00.24 | florian | hu! found a bug in gpe-lock-display! |
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10:04.51 | sjw | I see there are .po files in the CVS repository, but they contain things like "Open File"... shouldn't this text be in a general.po file? Otherwise we'll have to translate "Open File" for every app? |
10:06.54 | florian | mallum: ah, i'll test this matchbox later - i have no crosscompiler here |
10:07.48 | florian | sjw: i think you're right - but i for myself have no idea how this works |
10:08.39 | sjw | florian: i only started playing with the translation stuff yesterday evening... I have this elaborate monitoring thing going on gpe - follow the cvs and check out the language issues and everything, but I havn't been able to sink my teeth into anything yet :) |
10:09.44 | mallum | florian: okey, or just point me at the source of the gpa package and I can test ( and probably fix ) locally on my laptop and XNest |
10:11.20 | florian | sjw: hehe :-) translations would be geat... much work, but easy to devide into small pieces... |
10:13.10 | sjw | florian: it must just be well organised... 1) we do not have time to duplicate translation 2) we do not have the space... I opened up xmms yesterday evening, and switched to Afrikaans mode (I live in South Africa). The language was pretty awful :) How does one assure good quality translations? I guess you'll have to have at least two translators before you accept a language... |
10:13.39 | florian | mallum: http://www.gnupg.org/related_software/gpa/ |
10:14.07 | florian | mallum: additionally you'll need gpgme 0.4.0 and a recent gpg |
10:15.15 | mallum | florian: cool, and you've not patched anything to do with window ops right ? |
10:15.34 | sjw | florian: we have gpa for gpe?! |
10:16.21 | florian | sjw: quite right, its the same with german - much commercial software is translated awful too... |
10:17.03 | sjw | florian: ja, sehr schrecklich (?) |
10:17.05 | florian | mallum: correct, i think i used the original source without changes |
10:17.10 | mallum | florian: cool |
10:18.16 | florian | sjw: yep - or sometimes "grausam" in some context, if it is so bad that it hurts :-) |
10:19.12 | florian | sjw: not yet, but i want it and it is not hard to port. |
10:20.05 | florian | mallum: not really, there still some things that have to be changed to make it usable on ipaq |
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10:30.56 | mallum | hey pb_ |
10:31.02 | florian | pb_: hello! |
10:33.47 | pb_ | hi florian |
10:33.49 | pb_ | hi mallum |
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10:45.12 | sjw | when migrations fails, is there any way to get more information about why it has? |
10:45.22 | sjw | sorry, wrong channel |
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10:56.46 | PaxAnima | morning |
11:02.04 | sjw | hey PaxAnima :) |
11:02.10 | PaxAnima | hey, sjw |
11:26.06 | florian | bbl |
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14:11.58 | flypiper | morning |
14:13.15 | flypiper | I did ipkg upgrade on my 3700 last night ( which had 2 week old gpe2 stuff on it), and the upgrade went smoothly ... everything seems to work:-\ |
14:13.45 | pb_ | cool. |
14:15.32 | flypiper | I did notice that.. terminal .. doesn't work. errr didn't start... is there a problem with it? |
14:15.52 | pb_ | hmm, not sure. I don't think I've heard of anything like that. |
14:16.28 | flypiper | hmmm I had the icon in taskbar.. but it didn't launch anything. I will have to investigate later tonight |
14:17.55 | pb_ | righto. |
14:50.56 | moray | pb_: is there a precise getting-to-FOSDEM plan yet? |
14:51.34 | pb_ | moray: more or less. it entails leaving Cambridge at about 11am tomorrow. |
14:52.04 | moray | ok; where should I be trying to be when? |
14:52.33 | pb_ | I can pick you up in Silver Street, I guess. |
14:52.58 | moray | well, that would be easy for me I suppose, though I can come somewhere else if it helps |
14:54.00 | pb_ | the only place that'd really make a difference would be if you came out to Histon, and that's probably much more hassle for you than it saves me. It's easy to get to the M11 from where you are. |
14:54.37 | pb_ | so, if you could arrange to be outside Darwin at about 11, that would be ideal. |
14:57.12 | moray | pb_: yup, that's good thanks |
14:59.08 | pb_ | ok, great. |
14:59.45 | moray | now I just need to reply to people's emails from the last couple of days saying I won't be around tomorrow / over the weekend either ;) |
15:05.48 | pb_ | heh |
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15:12.18 | pb_ | yo prpplague |
15:12.50 | prpplague | pb_: lo |
15:26.55 | prpplague | pb_: whatcha upto these days |
15:27.07 | prpplague | pb_: the gpe mailing list always looks busy |
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16:16.49 | PaxAnima | hey, prpplague |
16:20.17 | PaxAnima | prpplague: http://v058b.studby.ntnu.no/happy_little_girl.png ;) |
16:21.05 | prpplague | PaxAnima: cute |
16:21.16 | PaxAnima | isn't it? ;) |
16:21.54 | PaxAnima | planning to manipulate it more and adda sixpack of beer in "her" left hand... |
16:22.09 | prpplague | or a cigar? |
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16:22.45 | PaxAnima | I don't like smoke.. but I'll see what I can put in.. |
16:23.04 | prpplague | me either, but it would look cute |
16:24.05 | PaxAnima | yeah... I'll try images.google.com |
16:28.54 | jg | morning. |
16:29.44 | moray | morning jg |
16:29.54 | jg | moray: morning. |
16:30.30 | PaxAnima | morning, jg |
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16:52.54 | pb_ | prpplague: yeah, there does seem to be quite a lot going on still. I've been working on stuff like display migration recently and trying to prepare for a familiar 0.7 release. |
16:59.07 | pb_ | moray: btw, did you see that keylaunch patch in bugzilla? |
17:02.43 | mallum | pb_: hey |
17:02.51 | mallum | pb_: is everything set for tommorow ? |
17:03.03 | mallum | pb_: need any info from me ? |
17:03.38 | moray | pb_: yes - thanks - but I hadn't had a chance yet to get round to dealing with it, due to being away from real computers |
17:24.59 | pb_ | mallum: hi |
17:25.26 | pb_ | mallum: all set, I think, though I guess directions to your place would be useful |
17:25.56 | mallum | pb_: yeah :-) |
17:26.08 | mallum | pb_: let me look at streetmap |
17:27.16 | mallum | pb_: so this is where I am http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=534093&y=185370&z=1&sv=downs+park+road&st=6&tl=Downs+Park+Road,+London,+E_8&searchp=newsearch.srf&mapp=newmap.srf |
17:28.01 | mallum | ok say take m11 |
17:28.20 | mallum | follow signs to walthanstow ( turn off m11 ) |
17:28.58 | mallum | you'll go down a long road ( lea bridge road ) |
17:29.10 | mallum | end of that is a big roundabout |
17:29.34 | mallum | take dalston / clapton exit off that ( 1st turning I think ) |
17:29.44 | mallum | then take first right |
17:30.16 | mallum | ( just before f strange chemist ) |
17:30.23 | mallum | follow round to left |
17:30.37 | mallum | then 3rd on the right is downs park road |
17:31.02 | mallum | drive down there till you get to big red gates ( development with red windows too ) |
17:31.18 | mallum | then give me a call and I'll come out and get you ( I think the intercom is bust ) |
17:31.33 | mallum | pb_: does that make sense ? |
17:31.41 | mallum | you can always call me if you get lost |
17:36.34 | pb_ | mallum: sounds good to me |
17:36.42 | pb_ | moray can navigate, anyway :-) |
17:37.43 | mallum | pb_: I have to go out in a bit and wont be back for a while |
17:38.08 | mallum | pb_: if dc turns up can you tell him to mail me when his train arrives etc |
17:38.22 | mallum | pb_: oh ang give him my numbers just in case |
17:38.52 | pb_ | mallum: will do |
17:41.32 | mallum | pb_: cool thx |
17:52.46 | cmarqu | pb_: You were interested in "The Tripods". Will yu have a laptop with a big HD to hold 8 CDs or so? |
17:53.07 | cmarqu | Or should I make CD copies for you when I go to Fosedm? |
17:53.18 | cmarqu | Gotta go, leave me a message. |
18:30.40 | pb_ | bbl |
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19:47.54 | fuchs | hi all! |
19:48.13 | florian_ | ahh, better! |
19:48.18 | pb_ | hi florian_ |
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20:00.28 | florian_ | did anyone try the recent wlan-ng prism2_cs module? |
20:03.02 | pb_ | florian_: the only person I know of who uses wlan-ng is mccarthy. |
20:05.34 | florian_ | pb_: That doesn't surprise me - there are only a very few reasuns to use these :-/ |
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20:46.26 | dc_ | weeeeee :D |
20:47.02 | dc_ | mallum: :D |
20:47.04 | dc_ | pb_: : |
20:47.05 | dc_ | :D |
20:47.37 | pb_ | dc_: yo yo yo |
20:47.48 | dc_ | fosdem drive tomorrow :D |
20:48.22 | florian | mallum: would you give me the link to the debugging matchbox again? |
20:48.29 | dc_ | god, I've had so much coursework to do! |
20:48.30 | dc_ | but! |
20:48.36 | dc_ | thank god...a free weekend now :D |
20:48.51 | pb_ | heh |
20:48.56 | pb_ | coursework all done then? |
20:49.10 | dc_ | enough for a weekend break |
20:49.16 | dc_ | oh crap! |
20:49.19 | dc_ | nooo. |
20:49.26 | dc_ | my airport |
20:49.44 | dc_ | _bugger_ |
20:49.46 | pb_ | still not arrived? |
20:49.57 | dc_ | they sent it. |
20:50.00 | dc_ | on tuesday |
20:50.24 | dc_ | so it'll probly arrive tomorrow!! |
20:50.29 | dc_ | how unlucky |
20:50.33 | pb_ | ah. |
20:50.35 | pb_ | hell. |
20:50.38 | dc_ | yes |
20:52.46 | dc_ | oh well |
20:52.52 | dc_ | I'll have to borrow mallum's :\ |
20:52.56 | pb_ | heh |
20:53.12 | pb_ | could be worse I suppose |
20:53.21 | dc_ | yes. lucky he has one :D |
20:53.26 | pb_ | quite. |
20:53.37 | dc_ | anyway... |
20:53.46 | pb_ | oh, he wanted you to email him the times of the train you plan on catching. |
20:53.48 | dc_ | pb_: so, what time we're you going to be at mallum's? |
20:53.58 | pb_ | dc_: a bit after 12 I think |
20:54.05 | dc_ | pb_: oh yes. well, is he not here right now? |
20:54.17 | pb_ | oh yes, heh, so he is. |
20:54.28 | pb_ | I guess he just hasn't said anything for a while. |
20:54.32 | dc_ | mallum: ! |
20:55.04 | dc_ | pb_: right, well, I'll make sure I arrange it with him. Hopefully I should be catching the 9am to london bridge to meet him. |
20:55.19 | pb_ | dc_: righto. |
20:55.21 | dc_ | pb_: just enough time for a quick game of halo and a mozilla upgrade :) |
20:55.25 | pb_ | dc_: quite. |
20:55.57 | dc_ | pb_: next..I need to exact amount for my share of the tunnel. |
20:56.02 | dc_ | pb_: and anything else :\ |
20:56.13 | pb_ | dc_: total cost for the tunnel is £107, so a quarter of that. |
20:56.22 | dc_ | pb_: plus I'll also have to ask mallum how much my room cost...unless you paid for it. |
20:56.31 | dc_ | pb_: moray's coming then? |
20:56.44 | pb_ | dc_: mallum did the room bookings. |
20:56.50 | pb_ | dc_: yes, moray will be there. |
20:56.51 | dc_ | cool. |
20:56.52 | dc_ | :)) |
20:56.53 | PaxAnima | people preparing for FOSDEM? ;) |
20:56.59 | dc_ | all the uk gpe team then |
20:57.00 | dc_ | ! |
20:57.06 | pb_ | yes. |
20:57.31 | mallum | dc_: hey |
20:57.36 | dc_ | pb_: right, so I'll make sure I pay you 26.75 then :) |
20:57.37 | dc_ | mallum: :D |
20:57.54 | mallum | dc_: just post me the chueqe when we get back if you want |
20:58.24 | mallum | dc_: have you got a mobile yet ? |
20:58.25 | dc_ | mallum: nah...I got the money here. |
20:58.39 | dc_ | mallum: heh no, I could take one, but it wouldn't work in belgium so.. |
20:58.52 | mallum | dc_: it probably would work there |
20:59.01 | dc_ | :\ |
20:59.05 | dc_ | maybe I will then. |
20:59.08 | dc_ | lemme see... |
20:59.31 | pb_ | dc_: most uk phones will work in europe nowadays (everywhere except Japan, USA and Canada in fact) |
20:59.51 | mallum | mine is uber triband |
21:00.00 | mallum | it even works in the far reaches of space |
21:00.04 | pb_ | hehe |
21:00.34 | BBrox | Well, you need to have the 'world' option in your phone contract for it to work in Europe |
21:00.50 | dc_ | :] |
21:01.15 | BBrox | And it's pretty expensive to be called (as *you* will pay the international call, not the caller) |
21:01.16 | pb_ | BBrox: with UK operators you normally just have to call and ask them to turn roaming on at some point before you leave this country. |
21:01.30 | dc_ | I'm pretty sure ours could be only uk as it's defently not tri-band. |
21:01.30 | dc_ | too cheap |
21:01.45 | pb_ | dc_: if it's a reasonably recent model it will probably be at least dual band, which is good enough for europe. |
21:01.47 | BBrox | TriBand is only needed for the US |
21:02.05 | dc_ | pb_: right well, I'll work out the technicalities when my dad returns in the next hour. |
21:02.07 | dc_ | or so. |
21:02.20 | dc_ | pb_: it's most likely I will take it. |
21:02.20 | mallum | BBrox: will you be at fosdem ? |
21:02.37 | pb_ | dc_: righto |
21:03.55 | BBrox | mallum: well, do not think so :-) |
21:04.03 | BBrox | It's this week-end ? |
21:04.10 | mallum | BBrox: :( - it cant be far for you ? |
21:04.14 | mallum | BBrox: yep this weekend |
21:04.36 | BBrox | mallum: it's in Belgium, no ? |
21:05.03 | mallum | BBrox: yeah |
21:05.12 | BBrox | So it's nearer for you than for me I think :-) |
21:05.22 | BBrox | (and I will be snowboarding saturday) |
21:05.41 | mallum | ah cool |
21:08.12 | dc_ | hehe |
21:09.45 | BBrox | That is if the resort is open :-) |
21:35.51 | dc_ | pb_: can we have a new gpe-irc :) |
21:35.54 | dc_ | pb_: ipkg. |
21:36.19 | pb_ | dc_: coming right up |
21:36.23 | pb_ | dc_: all checked in? |
21:36.37 | dc_ | pb_: I can only hope : |
21:36.48 | dc_ | PaxAnima: was it working last time you touched it? |
21:37.30 | pb_ | ok, build running |
21:37.40 | dc_ | goody |
21:37.47 | mallum | dc_: did you get your wlan card btw ? |
21:38.11 | dc_ | mallum: :( |
21:38.17 | dc_ | mallum: they sent in on tuesday... |
21:38.42 | mallum | dc_: doh ! |
21:38.42 | dc_ | mallum: but it hasn't arrived...so chances are it'll arrive tomorrow... |
21:38.49 | mallum | fingers crossed |
21:38.58 | mallum | pb_: do you have a crossover cable you could bring ? |
21:39.07 | mallum | pb_: I think mine is bust :( |
21:39.16 | pb_ | mallum: probably, yeah. I'll search the house. |
21:39.39 | mallum | pb_: cool, sid is writing me direction to get from here to chunnel |
21:39.47 | mallum | its pretty easy |
21:39.54 | pb_ | yeah. |
21:40.12 | mallum | do you have a europe map btw ? |
21:40.14 | pb_ | I know how to get to the chunnel from the M25, it's only the escaping from London bit I am slightly hazy on :-) |
21:40.40 | mallum | pb_: oh yeah I know that bit easy |
21:40.42 | pb_ | I've got some, yeah, but I'm not sure if they cover all the right areas. Let me go look. |
21:41.28 | mallum | pb_: cool, this is the hotel http://www.atlas-hotel.be/ btw |
21:42.03 | mallum | pb_: they phoned in the week to confirm |
21:42.29 | pb_ | ok, cool. |
21:43.00 | pb_ | turns out I do have a Michelin map which includes Brussels; should be good enough. |
21:43.49 | BBrox | Or you can check-out mappy.com, it should cover Belgium, no ? |
21:45.06 | dc_ | pb_: hrm, has something in cvs changed recently? |
21:45.15 | pb_ | dc_: dunno, what kind of thing are you seeing? |
21:45.22 | pb_ | new gpe-irc (0.04) uploaded, btw |
21:45.34 | pb_ | BBrox: yeah, probably. |
21:49.08 | dc_ | pb_: Protocol error: 'Directory' missingE Protocol error: 'Directory' missingE Protocol error: 'Directory' missingE protocol error: directory '/usr/cvs/gpe/base' not within root '/cvs' |
21:49.14 | pb_ | dc_: ah, that/ |
21:49.22 | dc_ | pb_: yes 'that'/ |
21:49.29 | dc_ | pb_: what is 'that'? |
21:49.34 | pb_ | dc_: for i in `find . -name Repository`; do sed 's:/usr/cvs/::' <$i >$i.new; mv $i.new $i; done |
21:49.54 | pb_ | dc_: cvs security patch causing breakage |
21:50.10 | dc_ | ah |
21:50.12 | dc_ | n/p them |
21:50.13 | dc_ | n |
21:50.34 | pb_ | you just need to edit your Repository files to fix it. |
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22:07.21 | florian | find . -name Repository | xargs perl -pi -e 's,^/usr/cvs,/cvs,' :-) |
22:09.08 | dc_ | oh wow. |
22:09.17 | dc_ | it works. |
22:09.17 | dc_ | gpe-irc |
22:09.48 | pb_ | cool |
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22:11.01 | florian | ahh |
22:11.03 | dc_ipaq | weeee |
22:11.20 | dc_ipaq | how cute |
22:12.21 | dc_ | hrm, few bugs need cleaning up |
22:29.39 | pb_ | well, let me know if you need another package. |
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23:07.23 | PaxAnima | dc__: touched the irc input code? yes |
23:09.20 | dc__ | PaxAnima: but you didn't remove it all? |
23:09.40 | PaxAnima | dc__: ah.. sorry: haven't removed the completion code |
23:09.50 | dc__ | np, np |
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23:09.54 | dc__ | PaxAnima: just wondering |
23:10.11 | PaxAnima | dc__: passing NULL as filenames shouldn't make it complet stuff |
23:10.23 | dc__ | I noticed. |
23:10.49 | PaxAnima | but I can remove the code |
23:12.03 | PaxAnima | waiting for mail from cworth to fix a bug in minipredict, so I'll remove the completion code when I first code on hobby projects |
23:12.58 | dc__ | right'o |
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23:15.38 | dc__ | ibot change 70 eur to gbp |
23:34.55 | PaxAnima | pb_: any flash images I could try out? think I'll have to reflash the ipaq :/ |
23:36.12 | pb_ | PaxAnima: see the topic |
23:37.23 | PaxAnima | ah |
23:37.56 | PaxAnima | just charge my ipaq a bit more before flashing |
23:38.28 | PaxAnima | pb_: no md5sums? |
23:39.05 | pb_ | looks like I forgot, just a minute |
23:39.19 | pb_ | ok, try now |
23:39.37 | PaxAnima | got it |
23:39.44 | PaxAnima | so pb7 is the latest? |
23:40.22 | pb_ | yeah |
23:40.29 | PaxAnima | what was the option I have to set to get ymodem? or was that only 2.19.xx? |
23:40.34 | pb_ | set ymodem 1 |
23:40.40 | pb_ | it's in late 2.18 as well |
23:40.52 | PaxAnima | ah.. tried set ymodem=1 |
23:41.42 | PaxAnima | the help says: set param=value |
23:42.05 | pb_ | ah, I guess the help is incorrect. |
23:42.16 | PaxAnima | should I have the ipaq fully charged before flashing, or will having the power connected suffice? |
23:42.27 | pb_ | just having the power connected is OK |
23:42.58 | pb_ | a power failure while flashing root is not disastrous, you just have to start again. It's only updating the bootldr that can cause a brick if interrupted. |
23:43.03 | PaxAnima | 'cause the ipaq was stone dead just a couple of minutes ago (and the led isn't blinking) |
23:44.15 | PaxAnima | how are the flashing procedures nowadays? just "load root", and upload the image? |
23:44.41 | cmarqu | Hi. |
23:44.47 | PaxAnima | hi, cmarqu |
23:44.52 | pb_ | hi cmarqu |
23:45.10 | cmarqu | pb_: Okay, I'll bring the CDs if I go. |
23:45.15 | pb_ | cmarqu: cool, thanks |
23:45.38 | cmarqu | PaxAnima: flashing from CF worked well for me. See the usual instructions. |
23:46.14 | PaxAnima | I'll try ymodem.. see if it works.. |
23:46.52 | cmarqu | Takes ages though :) |
23:46.58 | PaxAnima | hmmm.. |
23:49.41 | PaxAnima | doing ymodem now.. the night is still young ;) |
23:50.01 | cmarqu | Little girls stay up late... |
23:50.19 | PaxAnima | indeed... ,) |
23:50.21 | dc__ | pb_: can you make a new gpe-edit ipkg :) |
23:50.29 | cmarqu | Hi dc__ |
23:50.36 | dc__ | pb_: it now won't crash when you save...and has a nice new fat icons |
23:50.50 | pb_ | dc__: ok |
23:51.39 | dc__ | cmarqu: hey |
23:51.47 | dc__ | cmarqu: coming to fosdem? |
23:51.49 | pb_ | dc__: hm, my cvs update didn't seem to get any new files just then. Are you all checked in? |
23:52.37 | cmarqu | dc__: Still unsure. The weather might make me not go. It's a 6 hours drive... |
23:53.13 | cmarqu | *If* I go, I'll try to be there at about 9am on Sat. |
23:53.16 | dc__ | Checking in main.c; |
23:53.16 | dc__ | new revision: 1.36; previous revision: 1.35 |
23:53.26 | dc__ | cmarqu: well, I hoep you do come :) |
23:53.43 | pb_ | dc__: oh, duh, sorry, I thought this was gpe-irc still. |
23:53.51 | pb_ | let me try again |
23:53.51 | moray | I've just printed out a few relevant things, like the maps of where mallum is, and of where the atlas hotel is |
23:53.58 | cmarqu | dc__: Yeah, would be fun... let's see. |
23:54.00 | pb_ | moray: ah, good idea |
23:54.08 | dc__ | cmarqu: :D |
23:55.06 | pb_ | dc__: gpe-edit2_0.12 uploaded |
23:56.16 | dc__ | goody |
23:59.08 | cmarqu | Okay, night. Good trip to those who go, see you there maybe. |
23:59.17 | dc__ | cool cmarqu |