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00:00.14pb_hi pigeon_work
00:00.31pigeon_workpb_: Yay!
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03:23.59winikehanyone here know anything about hotsyncing a smartphone?
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07:48.36florianhi all!
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09:39.49sjwI see there are .po files in the CVS repository, but they contain things like "Open File"... shouldn't this text be in a general.po file?  Otherwise we'll have to translate "Open File" for every app?
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09:51.57florianmallum: hi!
09:52.03mallumhey florian
09:52.24mallumflorian: btw I there is a debug build in my experimental of matchbox
09:53.03florianmallum: is there a way to change mbdesktop background image on the fly?
09:53.07mallumflorian: probably http://www.handhelds.org/~mallum/downloadables/experimental/matchbox-snap20030116.tar.gz
09:53.21mallumflorian: not currently, but soon
09:53.29florianmallum: ok - great...
09:54.19mallumflorian: probably work via xsettings, shouldn't take me long to do
09:54.56florianmallum: ok, got it :-)
09:55.50florianmallum: this would be nice - because it's necessary to change this in gpe-conf
09:56.09mallumflorian: its a slightly older matchbox, but not much of the wm internals have changed
09:56.26mallumflorian: it should spec a load of debug info to stdout and be backtraceable
09:57.28florianok, ill chack this..
09:57.40florians/chack/check
10:00.24florianhu! found a bug in gpe-lock-display!
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10:04.51sjwI see there are .po files in the CVS repository, but they contain things like "Open File"... shouldn't this text be in a general.po file?  Otherwise we'll have to translate "Open File" for every app?
10:06.54florianmallum: ah, i'll test this matchbox later - i have no crosscompiler here
10:07.48floriansjw: i think you're right - but i for myself have no idea how this works
10:08.39sjwflorian: i only started playing with the translation stuff yesterday evening... I have this elaborate monitoring thing going on gpe - follow the cvs and check out the language issues and everything, but I havn't been able to sink my teeth into anything yet :)
10:09.44mallumflorian: okey, or just point me at the source of the gpa package and I can test ( and probably fix ) locally on my laptop and XNest
10:11.20floriansjw: hehe :-) translations would be geat... much work, but easy to devide into small pieces...
10:13.10sjwflorian: it must just be well organised... 1) we do not have time to duplicate translation 2) we do not have the space... I opened up xmms yesterday evening, and switched to Afrikaans mode (I live in South Africa).  The language was pretty awful :)  How does one assure good quality translations?  I guess you'll have to have at least two translators before you accept a language...
10:13.39florianmallum: http://www.gnupg.org/related_software/gpa/
10:14.07florianmallum: additionally you'll need gpgme 0.4.0 and a recent gpg
10:15.15mallumflorian: cool, and you've not patched anything to do with window ops right ?
10:15.34sjwflorian: we have gpa for gpe?!
10:16.21floriansjw: quite right, its the same with german - much commercial software is translated awful too...
10:17.03sjwflorian: ja, sehr schrecklich (?)
10:17.05florianmallum: correct, i think i used the original source without changes
10:17.10mallumflorian: cool
10:18.16floriansjw: yep - or sometimes "grausam" in some context, if it is so bad that it hurts :-)
10:19.12floriansjw: not yet, but i want it and it is not hard to port.
10:20.05florianmallum: not really, there still some things that have to be changed to make it usable on ipaq
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10:30.56mallumhey pb_
10:31.02florianpb_: hello!
10:33.47pb_hi florian
10:33.49pb_hi mallum
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10:45.12sjwwhen migrations fails, is there any way to get more information about why it has?
10:45.22sjwsorry, wrong channel
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10:56.46PaxAnimamorning
11:02.04sjwhey PaxAnima :)
11:02.10PaxAnimahey, sjw
11:26.06florianbbl
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14:11.58flypipermorning
14:13.15flypiperI did ipkg upgrade on my 3700 last night ( which had 2 week old gpe2 stuff on it), and the upgrade went smoothly ... everything seems to work:-\
14:13.45pb_cool.
14:15.32flypiperI did notice that.. terminal .. doesn't work.  errr didn't start... is there a problem with it?
14:15.52pb_hmm, not sure.  I don't think I've heard of anything like that.
14:16.28flypiperhmmm I had the icon in taskbar.. but it didn't launch anything. I will have to investigate later tonight
14:17.55pb_righto.
14:50.56moraypb_: is there a precise getting-to-FOSDEM plan yet?
14:51.34pb_moray: more or less.  it entails leaving Cambridge at about 11am tomorrow.
14:52.04morayok; where should I be trying to be when?
14:52.33pb_I can pick you up in Silver Street, I guess.
14:52.58moraywell, that would be easy for me I suppose, though I can come somewhere else if it helps
14:54.00pb_the only place that'd really make a difference would be if you came out to Histon, and that's probably much more hassle for you than it saves me.  It's easy to get to the M11 from where you are.
14:54.37pb_so, if you could arrange to be outside Darwin at about 11, that would be ideal.
14:57.12moraypb_: yup, that's good thanks
14:59.08pb_ok, great.
14:59.45moraynow I just need to reply to people's emails from the last couple of days saying I won't be around tomorrow / over the weekend either ;)
15:05.48pb_heh
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15:12.18pb_yo prpplague
15:12.50prpplaguepb_: lo
15:26.55prpplaguepb_: whatcha upto these days
15:27.07prpplaguepb_: the gpe mailing list always looks busy
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16:16.49PaxAnimahey, prpplague
16:20.17PaxAnimaprpplague: http://v058b.studby.ntnu.no/happy_little_girl.png ;)
16:21.05prpplaguePaxAnima: cute
16:21.16PaxAnimaisn't it? ;)
16:21.54PaxAnimaplanning to manipulate it more and adda  sixpack of beer in "her" left hand...
16:22.09prpplagueor a cigar?
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16:22.45PaxAnimaI don't like smoke.. but I'll see what I can put in..
16:23.04prpplagueme either, but it would look cute
16:24.05PaxAnimayeah... I'll try images.google.com
16:28.54jgmorning.
16:29.44moraymorning jg
16:29.54jgmoray: morning.
16:30.30PaxAnimamorning, jg
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16:52.54pb_prpplague: yeah, there does seem to be quite a lot going on still.  I've been working on stuff like display migration recently and trying to prepare for a familiar 0.7 release.
16:59.07pb_moray: btw, did you see that keylaunch patch in bugzilla?
17:02.43mallumpb_: hey
17:02.51mallumpb_: is everything set for tommorow ?
17:03.03mallumpb_: need any info from me ?
17:03.38moraypb_: yes - thanks - but I hadn't had a chance yet to get round to dealing with it, due to being away from real computers
17:24.59pb_mallum: hi
17:25.26pb_mallum: all set, I think, though I guess directions to your place would be useful
17:25.56mallumpb_: yeah :-)
17:26.08mallumpb_: let me look at streetmap
17:27.16mallumpb_: so this is where I am http://www.streetmap.co.uk/newmap.srf?x=534093&y=185370&z=1&sv=downs+park+road&st=6&tl=Downs+Park+Road,+London,+E_8&searchp=newsearch.srf&mapp=newmap.srf
17:28.01mallumok say take m11
17:28.20mallumfollow signs to walthanstow ( turn off m11 )
17:28.58mallumyou'll go down a long road ( lea bridge road )
17:29.10mallumend of that is a big roundabout
17:29.34mallumtake dalston / clapton exit off that ( 1st turning I think )
17:29.44mallumthen take first right
17:30.16mallum( just before f strange chemist )
17:30.23mallumfollow round to left
17:30.37mallumthen 3rd on the right is downs park road
17:31.02mallumdrive down there till you get to big red gates ( development with red windows too )
17:31.18mallumthen give me a call and I'll come out and get you ( I think the intercom is bust )
17:31.33mallumpb_: does that make sense ?
17:31.41mallumyou can always call me if you get lost
17:36.34pb_mallum: sounds good to me
17:36.42pb_moray can navigate, anyway :-)
17:37.43mallumpb_: I have to go out in a bit and wont be back for a while
17:38.08mallumpb_: if dc turns up can you tell him to mail me when his train arrives etc
17:38.22mallumpb_: oh ang give him my numbers just in case
17:38.52pb_mallum: will do
17:41.32mallumpb_: cool thx
17:52.46cmarqupb_: You were interested in "The Tripods". Will yu have a laptop with a big HD to hold 8 CDs or so?
17:53.07cmarquOr should I make CD copies for you when I go to Fosedm?
17:53.18cmarquGotta go, leave me a message.
18:30.40pb_bbl
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19:47.54fuchshi all!
19:48.13florian_ahh, better!
19:48.18pb_hi florian_
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20:00.28florian_did anyone try the recent wlan-ng prism2_cs module?
20:03.02pb_florian_: the only person I know of who uses wlan-ng is mccarthy.
20:05.34florian_pb_: That doesn't surprise me - there are only a very few reasuns to use these :-/
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20:46.26dc_weeeeee :D
20:47.02dc_mallum: :D
20:47.04dc_pb_: :
20:47.05dc_:D
20:47.37pb_dc_: yo yo yo
20:47.48dc_fosdem drive tomorrow :D
20:48.22florianmallum: would you give me the link to the debugging matchbox again?
20:48.29dc_god, I've had so much coursework to do!
20:48.30dc_but!
20:48.36dc_thank god...a free weekend now :D
20:48.51pb_heh
20:48.56pb_coursework all done then?
20:49.10dc_enough for a weekend break
20:49.16dc_oh crap!
20:49.19dc_nooo.
20:49.26dc_my airport
20:49.44dc__bugger_
20:49.46pb_still not arrived?
20:49.57dc_they sent it.
20:50.00dc_on tuesday
20:50.24dc_so it'll probly arrive tomorrow!!
20:50.29dc_how unlucky
20:50.33pb_ah.
20:50.35pb_hell.
20:50.38dc_yes
20:52.46dc_oh well
20:52.52dc_I'll have to borrow mallum's :\
20:52.56pb_heh
20:53.12pb_could be worse I suppose
20:53.21dc_yes. lucky he has one :D
20:53.26pb_quite.
20:53.37dc_anyway...
20:53.46pb_oh, he wanted you to email him the times of the train you plan on catching.
20:53.48dc_pb_: so, what time we're you going to be at mallum's?
20:53.58pb_dc_: a bit after 12 I think
20:54.05dc_pb_: oh yes. well, is he not here right now?
20:54.17pb_oh yes, heh, so he is.
20:54.28pb_I guess he just hasn't said anything for a while.
20:54.32dc_mallum: !
20:55.04dc_pb_: right, well, I'll make sure I arrange it with him. Hopefully I should be catching the 9am to london bridge to meet him.
20:55.19pb_dc_: righto.
20:55.21dc_pb_: just enough time for a quick game of halo and a mozilla upgrade :)
20:55.25pb_dc_: quite.
20:55.57dc_pb_: next..I need to exact amount for my share of the tunnel.
20:56.02dc_pb_: and anything else :\
20:56.13pb_dc_: total cost for the tunnel is £107, so a quarter of that.
20:56.22dc_pb_: plus I'll also have to ask mallum how much my room cost...unless you paid for it.
20:56.31dc_pb_: moray's coming then?
20:56.44pb_dc_: mallum did the room bookings.
20:56.50pb_dc_: yes, moray will be there.
20:56.51dc_cool.
20:56.52dc_:))
20:56.53PaxAnimapeople preparing for FOSDEM? ;)
20:56.59dc_all the uk gpe team then
20:57.00dc_!
20:57.06pb_yes.
20:57.31mallumdc_: hey
20:57.36dc_pb_: right, so I'll make sure I pay you 26.75 then :)
20:57.37dc_mallum: :D
20:57.54mallumdc_: just post me the chueqe when we get back if you want
20:58.24mallumdc_: have you got a mobile yet ?
20:58.25dc_mallum: nah...I got the money here.
20:58.39dc_mallum: heh no, I could take one, but it wouldn't work in belgium so..
20:58.52mallumdc_: it probably would work there
20:59.01dc_:\
20:59.05dc_maybe I will then.
20:59.08dc_lemme see...
20:59.31pb_dc_: most uk phones will work in europe nowadays (everywhere except Japan, USA and Canada in fact)
20:59.51mallummine is uber triband
21:00.00mallumit even works in the far reaches of space
21:00.04pb_hehe
21:00.34BBroxWell, you need to have the 'world' option in your phone contract for it to work in Europe
21:00.50dc_:]
21:01.15BBroxAnd it's pretty expensive to be called (as *you* will pay the international call, not the caller)
21:01.16pb_BBrox: with UK operators you normally just have to call and ask them to turn roaming on at some point before you leave this country.
21:01.30dc_I'm pretty sure ours could be only uk as it's defently not tri-band.
21:01.30dc_too cheap
21:01.45pb_dc_: if it's a reasonably recent model it will probably be at least dual band, which is good enough for europe.
21:01.47BBroxTriBand is only needed for the US
21:02.05dc_pb_: right well, I'll work out the technicalities when my dad returns in the next hour.
21:02.07dc_or so.
21:02.20dc_pb_: it's most likely I will take it.
21:02.20mallumBBrox: will you be at fosdem ?
21:02.37pb_dc_: righto
21:03.55BBroxmallum: well, do not think so :-)
21:04.03BBroxIt's this week-end ?
21:04.10mallumBBrox: :( - it cant be far for you ?
21:04.14mallumBBrox: yep this weekend
21:04.36BBroxmallum: it's in Belgium, no ?
21:05.03mallumBBrox: yeah
21:05.12BBroxSo it's nearer for you than for me I think :-)
21:05.22BBrox(and I will be snowboarding saturday)
21:05.41mallumah cool
21:08.12dc_hehe
21:09.45BBroxThat is if the resort is open :-)
21:35.51dc_pb_: can we have a new gpe-irc :)
21:35.54dc_pb_: ipkg.
21:36.19pb_dc_: coming right up
21:36.23pb_dc_: all checked in?
21:36.37dc_pb_: I can only hope :
21:36.48dc_PaxAnima: was it working last time you touched it?
21:37.30pb_ok, build running
21:37.40dc_goody
21:37.47mallumdc_: did you get your wlan card btw ?
21:38.11dc_mallum: :(
21:38.17dc_mallum: they sent in on tuesday...
21:38.42mallumdc_: doh !
21:38.42dc_mallum: but it hasn't arrived...so chances are it'll arrive tomorrow...
21:38.49mallumfingers crossed
21:38.58mallumpb_: do you have a crossover cable you could bring ?
21:39.07mallumpb_: I think mine is bust :(
21:39.16pb_mallum: probably, yeah.  I'll search the house.
21:39.39mallumpb_: cool, sid is writing me direction to get from here to chunnel
21:39.47mallumits pretty easy
21:39.54pb_yeah.
21:40.12mallumdo you have a europe map btw ?
21:40.14pb_I know how to get to the chunnel from the M25, it's only the escaping from London bit I am slightly hazy on :-)
21:40.40mallumpb_: oh yeah I know that bit easy
21:40.42pb_I've got some, yeah, but I'm not sure if they cover all the right areas.  Let me go look.
21:41.28mallumpb_: cool, this is the hotel http://www.atlas-hotel.be/ btw
21:42.03mallumpb_: they phoned in the week to confirm
21:42.29pb_ok, cool.
21:43.00pb_turns out I do have a Michelin map which includes Brussels; should be good enough.
21:43.49BBroxOr you can check-out mappy.com, it should cover Belgium, no ?
21:45.06dc_pb_: hrm, has something in cvs changed recently?
21:45.15pb_dc_: dunno, what kind of thing are you seeing?
21:45.22pb_new gpe-irc (0.04) uploaded, btw
21:45.34pb_BBrox: yeah, probably.
21:49.08dc_pb_: Protocol error: 'Directory' missingE Protocol error: 'Directory' missingE Protocol error: 'Directory' missingE protocol error: directory '/usr/cvs/gpe/base' not within root '/cvs'
21:49.14pb_dc_: ah, that/
21:49.22dc_pb_: yes 'that'/
21:49.29dc_pb_: what is 'that'?
21:49.34pb_dc_: for i in `find . -name Repository`; do sed 's:/usr/cvs/::' <$i >$i.new; mv $i.new $i; done
21:49.54pb_dc_: cvs security patch causing breakage
21:50.10dc_ah
21:50.12dc_n/p them
21:50.13dc_n
21:50.34pb_you just need to edit your Repository files to fix it.
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22:07.21florianfind . -name Repository | xargs perl -pi -e 's,^/usr/cvs,/cvs,' :-)
22:09.08dc_oh wow.
22:09.17dc_it works.
22:09.17dc_gpe-irc
22:09.48pb_cool
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22:11.01florianahh
22:11.03dc_ipaqweeee
22:11.20dc_ipaqhow cute
22:12.21dc_hrm, few bugs need cleaning up
22:29.39pb_well, let me know if you need another package.
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23:07.23PaxAnimadc__: touched the irc input code? yes
23:09.20dc__PaxAnima: but you didn't remove it all?
23:09.40PaxAnimadc__: ah.. sorry: haven't removed the completion code
23:09.50dc__np, np
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23:09.54dc__PaxAnima: just wondering
23:10.11PaxAnimadc__: passing NULL as filenames shouldn't make it complet stuff
23:10.23dc__I noticed.
23:10.49PaxAnimabut I can remove the code
23:12.03PaxAnimawaiting for mail from cworth to fix a bug in minipredict, so I'll remove the completion code when I first code on hobby projects
23:12.58dc__right'o
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23:15.38dc__ibot change 70 eur to gbp
23:34.55PaxAnimapb_: any flash images I could try out? think I'll have to reflash the ipaq :/
23:36.12pb_PaxAnima: see the topic
23:37.23PaxAnimaah
23:37.56PaxAnimajust charge my ipaq a bit more before flashing
23:38.28PaxAnimapb_: no md5sums?
23:39.05pb_looks like I forgot, just a minute
23:39.19pb_ok, try now
23:39.37PaxAnimagot it
23:39.44PaxAnimaso pb7 is the latest?
23:40.22pb_yeah
23:40.29PaxAnimawhat was the option I have to set to get ymodem? or was that only 2.19.xx?
23:40.34pb_set ymodem 1
23:40.40pb_it's in late 2.18 as well
23:40.52PaxAnimaah.. tried set ymodem=1
23:41.42PaxAnimathe help says: set param=value
23:42.05pb_ah, I guess the help is incorrect.
23:42.16PaxAnimashould I have the ipaq fully charged before flashing, or will having the power connected suffice?
23:42.27pb_just having the power connected is OK
23:42.58pb_a power failure while flashing root is not disastrous, you just have to start again.  It's only updating the bootldr that can cause a brick if interrupted.
23:43.03PaxAnima'cause the ipaq was stone dead just a couple of minutes ago (and the led isn't blinking)
23:44.15PaxAnimahow are the flashing procedures nowadays? just "load root", and upload the image?
23:44.41cmarquHi.
23:44.47PaxAnimahi, cmarqu
23:44.52pb_hi cmarqu
23:45.10cmarqupb_: Okay, I'll bring the CDs if I go.
23:45.15pb_cmarqu: cool, thanks
23:45.38cmarquPaxAnima: flashing from CF worked well for me. See the usual instructions.
23:46.14PaxAnimaI'll try ymodem.. see if it works..
23:46.52cmarquTakes ages though :)
23:46.58PaxAnimahmmm..
23:49.41PaxAnimadoing ymodem now.. the night is still young ;)
23:50.01cmarquLittle girls stay up late...
23:50.19PaxAnimaindeed... ,)
23:50.21dc__pb_: can you make a new gpe-edit ipkg :)
23:50.29cmarquHi dc__
23:50.36dc__pb_: it now won't crash when you save...and has a nice new fat icons
23:50.50pb_dc__: ok
23:51.39dc__cmarqu: hey
23:51.47dc__cmarqu: coming to fosdem?
23:51.49pb_dc__: hm, my cvs update didn't seem to get any new files just then.  Are you all checked in?
23:52.37cmarqudc__: Still unsure. The weather might make me not go. It's a 6 hours drive...
23:53.13cmarqu*If* I go, I'll try to be there at about 9am on Sat.
23:53.16dc__Checking in main.c;
23:53.16dc__new revision: 1.36; previous revision: 1.35
23:53.26dc__cmarqu: well, I hoep you do come :)
23:53.43pb_dc__: oh, duh, sorry, I thought this was gpe-irc still.
23:53.51pb_let me try again
23:53.51morayI've just printed out a few relevant things, like the maps of where mallum is, and of where the atlas hotel is
23:53.58cmarqudc__: Yeah, would be fun... let's see.
23:54.00pb_moray: ah, good idea
23:54.08dc__cmarqu: :D
23:55.06pb_dc__: gpe-edit2_0.12 uploaded
23:56.16dc__goody
23:59.08cmarquOkay, night. Good trip to those who go, see you there maybe.
23:59.17dc__cool cmarqu

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