| 00:14.21 | moray | hrm, now it's mbdesktop that's only displaying one of gpe-soundbite's .desktop files... |
| 00:14.55 | mallum | moray: yes Im aware of the problem, havn't fixed it as yet |
| 00:16.26 | moray | mallum: well, I've put in little scripts to avoid the problem |
| 00:16.40 | moray | mallum: but just now, for some reason, only one of the .desktop files is getting displayed! |
| 00:16.41 | mallum | moray: btw, what apps do you have doing it already in gnome ? |
| 00:18.02 | moray | mallum: in my /usr/share/applications, e.g. "Exec=ggv %U" for ggv; also gdmflexiserver, gedit, gnome-dictionary, reclevel |
| 00:19.18 | mallum | moray: ah but thats not parsing actual switches ? |
| 00:19.59 | moray | mallum: the gdmflexiserver-xnest.desktop example is "Exec=gdmflexiserver --xnest" |
| 00:20.19 | moray | and the gnome-dictionary.desktop one "Exec=gnome-dictionary -a", e.g. |
| 00:22.04 | mallum | moray: ok, the dotdesktop spec specifys printf type functionaility for the command strings ( thus the ), Im not sure if its really relevant to mbdesktop / mbmenu. Also as the busybox ash seems to fork rather than exec ( like bash ) when firing scripts though it |
| 00:23.14 | mallum | moray: so if you exec things like exec('/bin/sh', -'c', 'whatever -summin') it hangs around |
| 00:23.38 | mallum | moray: I have some code pb sent me a while back to parse it I can use though |
| 00:24.09 | mallum | moray: btw, did you put both the entries in 1 .desktop file ? |
| 00:24.29 | moray | nope, I think the PNG file may have got corrupted in copying or something |
| 00:24.46 | moray | it's working now anyway, with the extra scripts |
| 00:25.39 | moray | (mbdesktop run manually complained about a corrupted PNG somewhere, and re-building+copying the package fixed it) |
| 00:26.30 | mallum | oh cool, mbdesktop will fail to show an item if the png is bust |
| 00:27.53 | mallum | I will fix the params thing pretty soon |
| 00:28.04 | mallum | feel free to patch in the meantime |
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| 01:22.06 | mallum | moray: I fixed it, just commiting now |
| 01:22.55 | mallum | moray: one prob is the func is pb's and he put gpl on it whilst libmb is lgpl so I'll have to check he dont mind me doing that |
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| 01:30.01 | Darkness_ | helo i just ran the ipkg upgrade and cannot get past the login screen now :/ |
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| 05:18.52 | joseph | err |
| 05:18.58 | joseph | what do i need to install to get to see the fonts? ;-/ |
| 05:19.02 | joseph | gpe is installed i just can't see any text |
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| 09:48.28 | mallum | spung_study: ping diddy pong pong ping |
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| 10:20.16 | ade|desk | morning all |
| 10:20.36 | pb_ | morning ade |
| 10:21.21 | ade|desk | ti e to find coffee |
| 10:26.45 | mallum | hey pb, ade|desk |
| 10:27.26 | mallum | pb_: I added your exec function to libmb |
| 10:27.42 | mallum | pb_: its nice :-) |
| 10:28.21 | mallum | pb_: one thing though, libmb is lgpl licensed, whilst your code originally had gpl on it - do you mind me putting it as lgpl ? |
| 10:32.10 | pb_ | mallum: no, that's fine, go ahead and change the licence |
| 10:33.22 | mallum | pb_: cool, thx |
| 10:34.18 | mallum | pb_: do you use alloca alot ? |
| 10:34.30 | pb_ | mallum: fairly often, yeah |
| 10:34.47 | pb_ | mallum: it's much faster than malloc for small allocations |
| 10:34.52 | mallum | pb_: did you pick that up from libc hacking ? |
| 10:35.01 | pb_ | guess so, yeah. |
| 10:36.08 | mallum | pb_: order the ibook now ? |
| 10:36.34 | pb_ | mallum: not yet, I'll call my bank in a bit. |
| 10:37.05 | mallum | pb_: cool, what speed is it ? |
| 10:37.21 | pb_ | mallum: they have this irritating habit of putting a block on my credit card for "security reasons" whenever I try to buy something expensive. |
| 10:37.24 | pb_ | mallum: 800. |
| 10:38.10 | mallum | pb_: nice, will feel faster than a 800 pentium |
| 10:38.19 | pb_ | cool |
| 10:38.33 | mallum | pb_: this tibook is only 550, but will play DVD's etc |
| 10:39.21 | mallum | pb_: I think the newest powerpc kernel have the cpufreq thing so you can drop the speed down on them to conserve battery |
| 10:39.27 | pb_ | right, sounds neat. |
| 10:40.25 | mallum | pb_: oh remember theres no external pcmcia on the ibooks ( iirc ) |
| 10:40.56 | pb_ | mallum: yeah, that was the one thing I was a bit dubious about. But they have USB, and I bought an airport card for it, so I think it should be ok. |
| 10:40.59 | mallum | pb_: just in case youd missed that - you can stick an internal apple 802.11 card inside which works fine under linux |
| 10:41.08 | pb_ | mallum: about the only thing I use pcmcia for is network interfaces anyway. |
| 10:41.51 | mallum | pb_: the internal cards work crappy on the tibooks, cos the titanium shields the signal :( |
| 10:42.10 | pb_ | heh, yes, I can see that would be a problem. |
| 10:42.19 | pb_ | seems like a bit of a dim move on apple's part :-} |
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| 14:40.21 | pb_ | doh |
| 14:40.24 | pb_ | typed "reboot" in the wrong window. |
| 14:40.40 | mallum | ouch |
| 14:40.46 | pb_ | yeah, I hate it when that happens. |
| 14:46.29 | prpplague | pb_: try doing that when your ssh'd into a quad running 15 stores |
| 15:13.08 | pb_ | prpplague: ah, nasty. :-( |
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| 15:42.18 | mccarthy | pb_: its not just a gpe-calendar problem (or I should say it *isnt at all* a gpe-calendar problem) |
| 15:42.35 | mccarthy | pb_: I get weird crashing with gpe-todo as well |
| 15:43.41 | mccarthy | pb_: although I have no evidence (other than the fact that I get random clicks when it thinks I am tap-and-holding) I think it is libgpewidget's fault |
| 15:44.18 | mccarthy | pb_: wouldn't that explain my desktopworking fine? since it would do a stylus detect or whatever before turning that stuff on? |
| 15:46.01 | mccarthy | pb_: you are not actually here are you? :) |
| 15:48.03 | pb_ | mccarthy: sorry, was in a meeting. |
| 15:48.46 | mccarthy | pb_: no problem, some of us actually do real work now and then |
| 15:49.02 | mccarthy | pb; I am gonna turn off tap-and-hold on my ipaq and see if that stops my crashing |
| 15:49.09 | mccarthy | I will let you know |
| 15:49.24 | PaxAnima | real work? hah! beeing a student is the good way of living... ;) |
| 15:50.23 | mccarthy | pb; I will be pretty mad at you if it *is* that tap-and-hold thing.... :) It has been driving me crazy!!! |
| 15:55.16 | pb_ | mccarthy: well, you can force tap'n'hold on for your desktop by editing libgpewidget/init.c and see if it crashes then. |
| 15:55.36 | pb_ | mccarthy: I can't immediately think why that would be causing crashes directly, though it's possible it might be exposing a latent bug elsewhere. |
| 15:56.38 | mccarthy | pb_: I turned it off on my ipaq (the same way) and it still crashes....but I wonder if my other ones would still have crashed?... (when I changed the cache thingie too) |
| 15:56.59 | mccarthy | pb_: the problem here is that *lots* of stuff has changed recently and I dont know *which* is screwing things up |
| 15:57.11 | mccarthy | or which combination, I guess |
| 15:57.40 | moray | mccarthy: seeing if you can make it crash on your desktop is probably more 'scientific' |
| 15:58.18 | mccarthy | moray : shhh. dont tell an engineering professor to be scientific....we just make things *work* ;) |
| 15:58.20 | pb_ | mccarthy: I think it is probably easier to try to debug this by "conventional" means, rather than trying to infer the cause from the set of changes that caused it to appear. |
| 15:58.42 | moray | mccarthy: ha :) |
| 15:58.43 | pb_ | mccarthy: i.e. you mentioned that you had a problem with a bad widget pointer, so the thing to do would be to trace that pointer back and find out where it comes from. |
| 15:58.44 | mccarthy | pb_: but "conventional" means suck since I have to do them on my ipaq! |
| 15:58.59 | mccarthy | instead of my desktop |
| 15:59.00 | pb_ | mccarthy: you can use gdbserver and cross-debug from the desktop. |
| 15:59.13 | mccarthy | pb_: ahh, thats over my head |
| 15:59.22 | pb_ | mccarthy: if you do that and set $DISPLAY to the desktop, it shouldn't be significantly more painful than debugging locally. |
| 15:59.35 | pb_ | mccarthy: ah :-) |
| 15:59.57 | moray | mccarthy: if you can get ddd, it's a lot 'friendlier' than plain gdb (adds a GUI) |
| 16:00.21 | mccarthy | pb_: tap-and-hold doesnt really work though, BTW |
| 16:00.31 | mccarthy | pb_: it seems to "untap" things on my all the time |
| 16:00.47 | mccarthy | pb_: or tap and *then* right tap |
| 16:00.51 | pb_ | mccarthy: with which application? |
| 16:00.59 | mccarthy | pb_: gpe-lights is the worst |
| 16:01.25 | mccarthy | or at least most obvious since it turns the damn things back on again :) |
| 16:01.40 | mccarthy | pb_: I have also had trouble checking the boxes of gpe-todo |
| 16:01.52 | mccarthy | pb_: and changing the little scrolly arrow things on any app |
| 16:01.57 | pb_ | mccarthy: that normally means that an app is selecting for ButtonPress events but not ButtonRelease. |
| 16:02.10 | pb_ | mccarthy: so the tap'n'hold code never gets to see that you have let go. |
| 16:02.50 | pb_ | mccarthy: (in most cases it would also be best for the app to check the button number on events) |
| 16:02.53 | mccarthy | pb_: the xdeminuer would be nice to get to work as well |
| 16:03.02 | pb_ | mccarthy: xdemineur doesn't even use libgpewidget, does it? |
| 16:03.16 | mccarthy | pb_: oh, I dont know I never checked.... |
| 16:03.43 | mccarthy | pb_: no, probably not. I thought it had those gpe-exit icony things on top, but it doesnt |
| 16:04.18 | mccarthy | pb_: is there a way to check if a widget is shown or hidden? |
| 16:04.56 | PaxAnima | mccarthy: there is.. |
| 16:05.15 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: and....? :) |
| 16:05.23 | PaxAnima | mccarthy: but I'm stuck in a console, since I'm reinstalling gentoo and don't have any X to look at... |
| 16:05.31 | PaxAnima | but I'll look on my laptop |
| 16:05.43 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: thanks |
| 16:07.01 | PaxAnima | think it's straight forward... GTK_WIDGET_VISIBLE(), I think it was |
| 16:08.58 | mccarthy | PaxAnima: thanks I will try that |
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| 16:36.25 | nelson | Do we have a .wav player? |
| 16:37.47 | pb_ | Command-line or GUI? |
| 16:38.01 | nelson | pb_: either one, really. |
| 16:38.31 | nelson | pb_: I would prefer that it be smart enough to convert mono .wav into a stereo stream to /dev/dsp for the obvious reasons.... |
| 16:38.40 | pb_ | nelson: I think esdplay can accept wavs directly; I can easily package it up if it isn't already in familiar, or you could take the binary from debian. |
| 16:39.10 | pb_ | nelson: or you can probably stuff WAVs through GStreamer (& hence gpe-nmf) though I have never tried that. |
| 16:40.03 | nelson | it's not packaged up. Yes, would you? |
| 16:41.36 | pb_ | Sure, I'll do so later this afternoon. |
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| 16:48.50 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 16:49.11 | florian | pb_: hi |
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| 16:54.51 | nelson | pb_: thanks! |
| 17:13.46 | mallum | nelson: here anything more from dell ? |
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| 17:27.46 | mallum | pb_: did you order your ibook ? |
| 17:34.36 | pb_ | mallum: well, I have spoken to the guys at Apple three times today, and my bank twice. I'm not sure what the current state of affairs is. |
| 17:35.37 | pb_ | mallum: from what I can tell, they keyed my card number wrong when they tried for the first time yesterday (there was no trace of any attempt to charge my card, anyway). Today's first effort was apparently chosen for a "random security check", which spooked Apple out enough to give up on the transaction. I've asked them to try yet again and let me know how they get on. |
| 17:37.43 | mallum | pb_: I may sell my tibook now and get a faster one |
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| 17:43.23 | pb_ | mallum: ah right. |
| 17:44.33 | mallum | pb_: this ones pretty knackered up though, cant really justify it unless I get can get a good price for it |
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| 18:05.04 | dc_ | wahay! |
| 18:05.07 | dc_ | weekend :] |
| 18:05.25 | dc_ | they seem so fun when you have school |
| 18:07.28 | PaxAnima | evening, dc_ |
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| 18:08.55 | dc_ | PaxAnima: hey I'm just looking at the new irc_input code. |
| 18:09.11 | dc_ | PaxAnima: and I managed to make ./test segfault :/ |
| 18:09.34 | PaxAnima | yes... |
| 18:09.45 | dc_ | anyhow |
| 18:09.55 | dc_ | that's not important, hehe. |
| 18:10.11 | dc_ | PaxAnima: how does it save the user frequency lists? |
| 18:10.12 | PaxAnima | it does that sometimes for me too, and the reason is some pango_set_text() or something, so it's related to the entry.. |
| 18:10.33 | dc_ | ah |
| 18:11.07 | PaxAnima | dc_: the word frequency is stored in the same place as the dictionary for it in a separate file,which is <name of dictionary>.stat, so it should be set to the users directory |
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| 18:11.20 | mallum | hey dc_ |
| 18:11.28 | dc_ | mallum: evening :) |
| 18:11.39 | mallum | dc_, pb_: whats the max per night you ppl want to spend on a hotel ? |
| 18:11.43 | dc_ | mallum: heh, you know the funky iBook soundcard problem? |
| 18:11.56 | dc_ | mallum: eh, I guess 50 or so...how mugh is it? |
| 18:12.42 | mallum | dc_: well I have a range of prices |
| 18:12.53 | dc_ | mallum: go. |
| 18:13.03 | dc_ | mallum: or should I say 'shoot' |
| 18:13.21 | mallum | dc_: but I dont know as yet what currency there in ;-) |
| 18:13.30 | dc_ | mallum: ooh, heh. |
| 18:13.33 | dc_ | mallum: what are they? |
| 18:13.41 | mallum | dc_: this is off the gllug list, Im waiting to see where they all stay |
| 18:13.50 | mallum | dc_: so we can avoid it ;-) |
| 18:13.54 | dc_ | ahh. |
| 18:13.57 | dc_ | quite right! |
| 18:14.19 | dc_ | I guess the tunnel is going to be packed on friday night and early saturday morning ;} |
| 18:14.23 | mallum | dc_: or maybe get in on a group booking if its a lot cheaper |
| 18:14.34 | dc_ | mallum: good idea. |
| 18:15.35 | dc_ | PaxAnima: hum |
| 18:15.45 | dc_ | PaxAnima: have we looked into the segfaults at all? |
| 18:16.12 | mallum | dc_: stupid flood, it goes on for ever |
| 18:16.30 | mallum | dc_: I need a flamethrower or summin |
| 18:16.31 | PaxAnima | dc_: nothing more than it is something in gtk that seg.faults, not my code... could be the _i_feel_dirt() hack |
| 18:16.45 | dc_ | mallum: hehe. |
| 18:16.53 | dc_ | mallum: pitty you don't get one :/ |
| 18:17.07 | dc_ | PaxAnima: it'd be nice to clear that up first. |
| 18:17.23 | dc_ | PaxAnima: so we don't have gpe-irc crashing regulary :} |
| 18:17.43 | PaxAnima | dc_: yeah, I will have a look at it... just reinstalled gentoo (and just got gvim and my source code back;) |
| 18:17.50 | dc_ | PaxAnima: but otherwise, it's working very well indeed. The frequency lists seem _very_ usefull. |
| 18:18.02 | dc_ | PaxAnima: ah, location move? |
| 18:18.17 | PaxAnima | well, I formated my drives, so I'm getting my backup back |
| 18:19.19 | PaxAnima | dc_: but the test crashed after hitting backspace fast? |
| 18:19.20 | dc_ | mallum: heh, anyway, I had this _evil_ sound driver problem with the iBook at school today, and it turns itself upto full volume and makes the most high pitched sound it can when it come out of suspend. |
| 18:19.46 | moray | ha |
| 18:19.49 | dc_ | mallum: and out of all places, it happened in the main course room, containing around 100 people, and the room certianly went quiet ;/ |
| 18:19.54 | mallum | dc_: yeah I've has that |
| 18:19.54 | pb_ | dc_: heh, nasty. |
| 18:19.57 | moray | my laptop did that at one point |
| 18:20.08 | mallum | dc_: sounds like its gonna explode |
| 18:20.08 | dc_ | heh. |
| 18:20.10 | moray | I had to shut it in a drawer and use wireless to fix the problem ;) |
| 18:20.16 | dc_ | mallum: it does, yes! |
| 18:20.25 | dc_ | moray: hehe. |
| 18:20.25 | pb_ | moray: :-) |
| 18:20.33 | mallum | dc_: I've had it happen once, I think its just some wierd bug |
| 18:20.34 | dc_ | pb_: oh hey! |
| 18:20.37 | dc_ | pb_: evening :) |
| 18:20.41 | mallum | dc_: maybe try a newer kernel |
| 18:20.47 | pb_ | dc_: evening :-) |
| 18:20.49 | dc_ | mallum: yep. I guess I should upgrade. |
| 18:20.53 | dc_ | ack. |
| 18:20.59 | dc_ | my IMAP is down, suck. |
| 18:21.04 | pb_ | suck indeed. |
| 18:21.07 | mallum | dc_: ewe Im still on 2.4.20-pre7-ben0 |
| 18:21.58 | dc_ | mallum: I'm on .19! |
| 18:22.15 | dc_ | mallum: well, atleast I have ext3 now |
| 18:22.22 | dc_ | mallum: it was hell without last time, heh. |
| 18:22.35 | PaxAnima | dc_: when does the seg.fault occur? |
| 18:22.39 | mallum | dc_: yeah xfs is supposedly the best |
| 18:22.53 | dc_ | oh? |
| 18:23.03 | dc_ | mallum: why's that? |
| 18:24.14 | mallum | dc_: not sure, think its faster than ext3 |
| 18:24.27 | dc_ | ah |
| 18:24.33 | dc_ | should try it sometime then |
| 18:30.14 | mallum | dc_: I may sell my tibook and get a new one |
| 18:30.37 | dc_ | mallum: ooh? |
| 18:31.21 | mallum | dc_: yeah faster |
| 18:31.41 | dc_ | mallum: good idea. |
| 18:31.52 | dc_ | mallum: the paint really gone on yours ;] |
| 18:32.08 | PaxAnima | dc_: just tried the irc input with a 210k word dictionary ;) |
| 18:33.30 | mallum | dc_: yeah :( |
| 18:33.31 | dc_ | PaxAnima: fast ? |
| 18:33.51 | dc_ | mallum: suck, well, I guess selling it help buy a new one is good. |
| 18:34.27 | PaxAnima | dc_: didn't notice anything, really ;) |
| 18:34.39 | dc_ | PaxAnima: cool! |
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| 18:34.51 | dc_gpe | helllo :} |
| 18:35.02 | dc_ | dc_gpe: good day. |
| 18:35.06 | dc_ | yay |
| 18:35.12 | dc_ | colors config seems to be working :)) |
| 18:35.40 | PaxAnima | yay! ;) |
| 18:36.05 | dc_ | lets see if part works. |
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| 18:36.27 | dc_ | colors seem to work with that |
| 18:36.37 | dc_ | great |
| 18:37.07 | dc_ | I guess it's my new choice of irc clients then :) |
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| 18:37.25 | dc_ | j #test |
| 18:37.27 | dc_ | ops |
| 18:37.55 | dc_ | hrm |
| 18:38.09 | nelson | mallum: haven't heard anything yet.... |
| 18:41.35 | PaxAnima | hmm.. thought I had a bug, but then I relised that the 210k word dictionary had many weird words (so the words was actually completed correctly ;) |
| 18:41.53 | dc_gpe | hehe |
| 18:42.33 | PaxAnima | dc_: where does the test app seg.fault? |
| 18:42.44 | dc_ | PaxAnima: I'm not sure. |
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| 18:42.58 | dc_ | PaxAnima: it just ....segfaults, when I wasn't prepare.. |
| 18:42.59 | dc_ | d |
| 18:43.18 | PaxAnima | dc_: had some problems with backspace on my laptop, but I don't get it on my desktop pc |
| 18:43.29 | dc_ | PaxAnima: hum |
| 18:45.09 | PaxAnima | just do a quick reboot to test the sytem... brb |
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| 18:50.21 | PaxAnima | back |
| 19:00.01 | nelson | dc_: sounds like you became eerybody's friend this afternoon. |
| 19:16.19 | nelson | pb_: did you get esdplay packaged? |
| 19:23.57 | nelson | pb_: sigh. esdplay requires libaudiofile. It also requires a newer libesd which has esd_play_file |
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| 19:39.21 | nelson | b_: did you get esdplay packaged? |
| 19:39.27 | nelson | pb_: sigh. esdplay requires libaudiofile. It also requires a newer libesd which has esd_play_file |
| 19:39.53 | pb_ | nelson: oh dear, that's not so good. |
| 19:40.41 | nelson | ja. If we had python-linuxsound, I could easily write a 'play' program, but ... we don't. |
| 19:42.25 | nelson | At least, I'm assuming that's what it's missing, because the i386 'nm' doesn't find any symbols in the arm libesd0. |
| 19:46.47 | nelson | Sigh. It's going to be easier to convert the .wavs into .mp3s and use madplay. |
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| 20:05.51 | dc__ | nelson: eh? |
| 20:06.07 | nelson | dc__: with your laptop? |
| 20:06.21 | dc__ | nelson: hehe, yes, quite. |
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| 20:09.45 | nils_ | Hiho, someone still awake? |
| 20:09.53 | pb_ | hi nils_ |
| 20:09.55 | dc__ | bbl, food. |
| 20:09.58 | dc__ | nils_: hey :] |
| 20:10.06 | nils_ | Oh, great, pb_! |
| 20:10.44 | nils_ | I have a little problem with compiling GTK2 stuff... I have the libs for the /skif env in place and can cross compile apps with them. |
| 20:11.45 | nils_ | But... when linking is done I get lots of unresolved symbols from libc with _dl_...|GLIBC_2.2.3 and similar (e.g. _dl_debug_mask@@GLIBC_2.2.3). Any idea what this could be? |
| 20:12.21 | pb_ | What version of the linker are you using? |
| 20:12.45 | nils_ | pb_: Err ... the "old" skiff toolchain, mompls... |
| 20:13.08 | nils_ | pb_: It sais GNU ld 2.9.5 ... |
| 20:13.37 | nelson | pb_: *which* feeds/bootldr/pxa ? Not /home/familiar/website/data/.... |
| 20:13.53 | pb_ | nils_: I'm not sure that old linker understands symbol versioning. You may have to get a newer one. |
| 20:14.10 | pb_ | nelson: /var/ftp/pub/linux/feeds/... |
| 20:14.35 | nelson | pb_: ahhh, I see nduffek has already done it. |
| 20:15.15 | pb_ | nelson: ah yes, so he has :-) |
| 20:15.21 | nils_ | pb_: Hmm ... everything else seems to work pretty well... Oh well, which toolchain should be used then? Is there already one? |
| 20:15.46 | nils_ | nelson: I have sent you my hh.org accountname by email... did you receive it? |
| 20:16.34 | pb_ | nils_: not much else uses symbol versioning. Though actually I am a bit surprised, because the "old" toolchain would be useless for compiling anything if versions didn't work. |
| 20:16.49 | pb_ | nils_: france is the toolchainmeister, maybe check with him. He can be found in #toolchain or #handhelds.org. |
| 20:17.01 | nelson | nils_: yes. |
| 20:17.21 | nelson | pb_: man oh, man, the file organization on hh.org is very disorganizationed. |
| 20:17.49 | pb_ | nelson: indeed it is. |
| 20:18.38 | nelson | nils_: chgrp -R proj_sa1100rtc atd |
| 20:18.49 | nelson | nils_: chgrp -R proj_sa1100rtc /cvs/apps/atd |
| 20:18.57 | nils_ | pb_: There is a arm-linux-toolchain-post-2.2.13.tar.gz on ftp.hh.org. |
| 20:19.17 | nils_ | nelson: Oh cool! OK then. I'll try not to make it a mess :) |
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| 20:23.57 | spung_study | 09:49 <mallum> spung_study: ping diddy pong pong ping |
| 20:24.03 | spung_study | mallum: pong POW pong |
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| 22:21.56 | florian_ | hi all! |
| 22:22.11 | dc__ | hum. |
| 22:22.20 | dc__ | hey florian_!! |
| 22:22.49 | florian_ | dc__: hi! |
| 22:23.13 | dc__ | florian_: what's been happening in yours part of the word? |
| 22:25.56 | florian_ | dc_: hmmm... some usqld isuues that hurt my brain, the weather is bad(_cold_) and a fresh burned rom for my sparc :-) |
| 22:26.19 | dc_ | florian_: sounds like you're having a good time then |
| 22:26.44 | dc_ | florian_: at this moment my room is way too hot! As I left the heater on most of the day... |
| 22:30.16 | florian_ | dc_: yes, but this day is like most other days - too short! |
| 22:31.21 | dc_ | florian_: I think _every_ programmer has that problem :( |
| 22:31.33 | pb_ | florian_: hi |
| 22:31.36 | dc_ | florian_: in the holidays I start 6 hours days |
| 22:31.42 | dc_ | florian_: much better :) |
| 22:32.45 | florian_ | dc_: yes, i think so - for programmers with girl-friend its worse... |
| 22:32.52 | florian_ | pb_: hi! |
| 22:32.56 | dc_ | florian_: =P |
| 22:33.01 | dc_ | florian_: quite right |
| 22:33.08 | dc_ | hmm |
| 22:33.20 | dc_ | I wonder if you could adapt to 24 hour days... |
| 22:33.34 | dc_ | that'd be fun ;) |
| 22:43.19 | FlyPiper | dc_: does gpe-filemanager need pango? I can't get a new install to open filemanager |
| 22:45.02 | nils_ | I want a leased line!!! |
| 22:45.56 | jsmanrique | pb_: just a mad question about GameBoy Advance... |
| 22:46.18 | nils_ | jsmanrique: Oh, just bought one too ;) |
| 22:46.22 | jsmanrique | pb_: could it run any kind of arm app? |
| 22:46.33 | jsmanrique | nils_: great machine, isn't it? |
| 22:47.06 | nils_ | jsmanrique: Quite nice, yes! Just have to figure out how to use this multiboot cable thing without having to buy such a cable. |
| 22:47.18 | jsmanrique | nils_: using a ARM710TDMI at 16MHz |
| 22:47.50 | jsmanrique | nils_: I've found this: http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~tb100/?devkit=1 |
| 22:48.03 | pb_ | jsmanrique: no idea, I don't really know anything about them. |
| 22:48.06 | jsmanrique | nils_: and this: http://www.gameboy-advance.net/accessories/gba_keyboard.htm |
| 22:48.07 | nils_ | jsmanrique: The ARM in the GBA is "just" an ARM7 without MMU AFAIK, so you can run ARMV3 code AFAIK... but no Linux... |
| 22:48.26 | jsmanrique | nils_: I am not thinking about whole Linux |
| 22:48.32 | jsmanrique | nils_: just an app |
| 22:49.07 | dc_ | FlyPiper: just about all gtk2 programs need it. |
| 22:49.24 | FlyPiper | dc_: Thanks |
| 22:49.25 | dc_ | FlyPiper: first. make sure you have the pangoquery-modules installed |
| 22:49.40 | dc_ | FlyPiper: well....sorry, are you having problems with pango? |
| 22:49.51 | dc_ | FlyPiper: or _just_ wondering if it needs to be installed? |
| 22:49.52 | dc_ | heh |
| 22:50.01 | dc_ | hrm |
| 22:50.21 | jsmanrique | nils_: are you still there? :-) |
| 22:50.23 | nils_ | jsmanrique: There is a Linux tool for the MBV2 cable, is that what you meant? |
| 22:50.34 | dc_ | can anyone tell me what a ^ stands for in ascii calculation functions or whatever it representds. |
| 22:50.34 | nils_ | jsmanrique: Yep, was looking at the page :) |
| 22:50.42 | FlyPiper | dc_: wondering why it didn't get installed with any gtk2 apps:( |
| 22:51.04 | dc_ | FlyPiper: well, blame ipkg. |
| 22:51.05 | nils_ | dc_: Isn't this binary NOT ? |
| 22:51.05 | dc_ | :] |
| 22:51.15 | dc_ | nils_: well, it's just for a formula. |
| 22:51.25 | dc_ | nils_: that someone has posted. |
| 22:51.29 | florian_ | nils_: hi! where? |
| 22:51.45 | dc_ | nils_: and obviously they don't have any characters for the special mathmatical functions. |
| 22:51.51 | dc_ | nils_: x(s) = n s^2/(4 tan(180/n)) |
| 22:51.56 | jsmanrique | nils_: more or less, thinking about using an app that runs on Linux-arm |
| 22:52.07 | nils_ | dc_: Oh, there it is "power of..." |
| 22:52.09 | jsmanrique | nils_: asking myself how could it run on this device |
| 22:52.12 | dc_ | ahh |
| 22:52.16 | dc_ | nils_: of course, thanks :) |
| 22:52.42 | jsmanrique | dc_: ^2 is square, isn't it? |
| 22:52.54 | dc_ | quite. |
| 22:53.41 | nils_ | jsmanrique: Oh, that is merely impossible! You need, even statically linked, the Linux kernel to support all the system functions. |
| 22:53.56 | jsmanrique | nils_: :'-( |
| 22:54.21 | nils_ | jsmanrique: But you can develop for the GBA under Linux quite perfectly! And that's almost as much fun... |
| 22:54.33 | jsmanrique | nils_: how does gcc + devkit do it? |
| 22:55.24 | nils_ | jsmanrique: Err... that's what they do, i.e. you compile under Linux or wherever and finally run on the GBA; but those are non-Linux programs. They are built with their own set of libs... |
| 22:55.40 | jsmanrique | I was looking for a cheap arm7 dev platform, to see how giac could run on it |
| 22:56.03 | nils_ | jsmanrique: And there are nice ready-to-go libs for the GBA outside, i.e. for graphics, sound, weird calculations, filesystem on flash, etc. etc. |
| 22:56.16 | nils_ | Er... what is GIAC? |
| 22:56.18 | jsmanrique | nils_: so, I nedd to link the app with their own set of libs |
| 22:56.32 | jsmanrique | nils_: giac is a cas |
| 22:56.41 | nils_ | jsmanrique: OK, what is CAS? |
| 22:57.07 | jsmanrique | nils_: sorry, giac stands for giac is a cas (computer algebra system) |
| 22:57.39 | nils_ | jsmanrique: The functions of those libs are, because they are intended for game development, somewhat limited. It will start with problems like not having printf() because there is no tty... |
| 22:57.58 | nils_ | jsmanrique: Ah! Then you will have to program some UI first... |
| 22:58.09 | jsmanrique | nils_: http://www.asturlinux.org/~jsmanrique/en/giac.html |
| 22:58.28 | nils_ | jsmanrique: And you'll only have 256kB of RAM max.! Is that enough for such a CAS? |
| 22:58.28 | jsmanrique | nils_: maybe too much work for a non-developer like me :-) |
| 22:58.49 | jsmanrique | nils_: well, my hp49 has same problem :-) |
| 22:59.26 | jsmanrique | nils_: so, I need a better platform for my 'dreamt calculator' |
| 22:59.27 | nils_ | jsmanrique: And you can bet that some HP engeneers had a rough time getting their CAS smaller and spent some man-years on it. |
| 22:59.43 | jsmanrique | nils_: don't make me laugh |
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| 22:59.54 | florian_ | re |
| 22:59.57 | nils_ | jsmanrique: It's not impossible but needs lots of work... |
| 23:00.20 | jsmanrique | nils_: there weren't HP engineers who did HP calcs CAS |
| 23:00.41 | nils_ | jsmanrique: Yes really? Then there have been others doing it... |
| 23:00.49 | jsmanrique | nils_: hp calcs cas was made by Prof. Parisse, the author of giac :-) |
| 23:01.05 | nils_ | jsmanrique: Oh cool :) Then ask him! |
| 23:01.19 | jsmanrique | nils_: and we both are in the same 'boat' |
| 23:01.38 | jsmanrique | nils_: searching for low cost platforms to develop a new kind of calculator |
| 23:02.17 | jsmanrique | nils_: so, I have thought about arm7 for low cost calculator form factor |
| 23:02.50 | jsmanrique | nils_: and xscale or sa with gpe (so giac need to be ported to gtk2/gpe) for a handheld pc form factor |
| 23:03.38 | jsmanrique | nils_: all this 'idea' is part of my univerisity project :-) |
| 23:03.59 | nils_ | jsmanrique: I would say in general good idea. Though the low-cost version would mean a lot of work on the software side, i.e. tuning and optimizing. But then, why shouldn't it be possible? |
| 23:04.33 | nils_ | jsmanrique: Then look for some students that do the optimization thing ;) |
| 23:04.44 | jsmanrique | nils_: because I don't have the money to start it.. that's why I am searching low cost platforms |
| 23:05.23 | jsmanrique | nils_: using ipaq is fine, but it doesn't fit to targetted market, students. They need calcs, or at least, something with calculator form factor |
| 23:05.27 | nils_ | jsmanrique: Sure. I meant that even the 256kB could be enough, given you invest the time. |
| 23:05.50 | jsmanrique | nils_: well, I would like something more powerfull |
| 23:06.07 | nils_ | OK folks, gotta go now! |
| 23:06.08 | jsmanrique | I've even looked to psion-linux projects |
| 23:06.20 | nils_ | jsmanrique: Not much cheaper.... |
| 23:06.26 | jsmanrique | because they are arm7 machines |
| 23:06.39 | jsmanrique | but, as you said, not much cheaper.. and there is a lot of work to fo |
| 23:07.05 | jsmanrique | to do |
| 23:07.17 | nils_ | jsmanrique: If you have time, I would try the GBA thing. Would be interesting project and really worth a university diploma! |
| 23:07.45 | jsmanrique | and arm7 dev boards from cogent or cirrus are really expensive |
| 23:07.55 | nils_ | jsmanrique: Yep. |
| 23:07.59 | nils_ | OK good night! |
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| 23:08.04 | jsmanrique | nils_: night |
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| 23:14.56 | florian_ | well... this is 2.5.55 |
| 23:27.34 | dc_ | heh wow |
| 23:35.12 | florian_ | good nigt... |
| 23:35.24 | florian_ | s/nigt/night |