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| 01:23.41 | mallum | jg: hey |
| 01:23.55 | jg | mallum: is for herses.... |
| 01:24.05 | mallum | jg: hehe |
| 01:24.24 | mallum | jg: I got X CVS safely running on my machine :-) |
| 01:24.42 | mallum | jg: I can run it on another vt ... just cant switch back for some reason |
| 01:24.49 | jg | works about 9 times out of 10. |
| 01:25.27 | jg | mallum: there are often bugs in the VT switching.... |
| 01:25.35 | mallum | jg: yeah its always worked with tinyX for me and mac on linux which runs on seperate VT |
| 01:25.42 | jg | the X server has to get out of the way, which can be tricky. |
| 01:26.25 | mallum | jg: I have tried with chvt yet .. only keys and I think remember reading on xpert that keys for that sort of thing were messed up |
| 01:26.36 | mallum | s/have/haven't/ |
| 01:27.08 | mallum | jg: currently poking around keithp's Xcursor library |
| 01:27.33 | __moray | on someone's machine I was setting up the other day X hung on any console switch - but I had little sympathy, given he was using the non-free NVidia drivers... |
| 01:27.46 | __moray | (when switching away from X, I mean, obviously) |
| 01:28.29 | mallum | yeah them nvidia drivers are a pandoras box |
| 01:28.51 | jg | yeah, unfortunately, that code is often buggy, no matter whixh driver |
| 01:29.04 | __moray | meanwhile, on this machine X would probably work fine, if I could be bothered to find a mouse for it ;) |
| 01:29.33 | mallum | __moray: if you used matchbox you probably wouldn't need a mouse ;-) |
| 01:29.53 | mallum | __moray: that what I do on my server and just treat it like a prettier screen |
| 01:30.11 | __moray | jg: on Linux people appear to be divided on whether it's a good thing or not to use the kernel framebuffer stuff and get X to speak to that? |
| 01:30.51 | jg | moray: fbdev hasn't been stable on lots of graphics hardware. |
| 01:31.02 | __moray | mallum: ah, I haven't tried matchbox on a machine with a keyboard yet - how do you switch windows? (or just tell me to RTM...) |
| 01:32.14 | __moray | jg: I don't tend to use it, but I can see the argument that in principle things could work better if X has a way of agreeing what's going on with the kernel via the FB stuff |
| 01:32.27 | mallum | __moray: well CVS matchbox you can define whatever key combo you want to page / close / launch apps etc |
| 01:32.43 | mallum | __moray: 0.3.6 can do it in a basic way |
| 01:32.47 | __moray | mallum: ok |
| 01:33.21 | jg | __moray: we use fbdev on the iPAQ. It has been a "moving" target. |
| 01:33.21 | jg | once it settles down, it may be good to use it. |
| 01:33.32 | jg | but it hasn't been something you could count on. |
| 01:33.38 | mallum | __moray: you just start it with -mod ctrl for example and then ctrl-n will show you the next app / ctrl-p previous etc |
| 01:33.54 | mallum | __moray: its much better in cvs though |
| 01:36.46 | __moray | the machine I've been playing with this evening appeared upset by the character set translation stuff when I was building libgpewidget - although this is potentially in part due to the en_AU translation supplied.... |
| 01:37.17 | __moray | (doing the encoding translation 'manually' rather than via the Makefile got round it) |
| 01:37.29 | mallum | jg: its quite cool how the XCursor library is implemented in terms of working with existing XDefineCursor type calls |
| 01:37.50 | jg | mallum: yup. |
| 01:37.59 | jg | keithp is clever. |
| 01:38.06 | mallum | jg: its probably more work adding stuff to the actual matchbox makefiles etc, than adding code |
| 01:39.06 | mallum | jg: do you know if keithp has written a tool to convert png's into xcursor files ? |
| 01:40.45 | mallum | jg: I could write one myself fairly easily but Im guessing keithp must have written something like that for himself to have created the XCursor files in the first place |
| 01:40.55 | jg | yeah, there is a tool "xcursorgen" if memory serves me. |
| 01:41.32 | jg | mallum: go look in programs/xcursorgen |
| 01:42.07 | mallum | jg: aha found it :-) |
| 01:48.28 | jg | mallum: happyness is cursor hacking, eh? |
| 01:48.34 | jg | you can also animate studly cursors now. |
| 01:50.07 | mallum | jg: yeah I need that too |
| 01:50.54 | mallum | jg: I added startup notification support into matchbox so gtk 2.x apps get a busy cursor whilst starting |
| 01:51.10 | mallum | jg: at the moment its the crappy static watch cursor .... |
| 01:55.02 | __moray | mallum: surely you're supposed to have a huge 3D hourglass, with draining sand, which turns over to reset itself appropriately...? ;) |
| 01:55.25 | __moray | mallum: in fact, with the hourglass you get to have semi-transparent glass too... |
| 01:55.29 | jg | __moray: There is already such a cursor.... |
| 01:55.36 | __moray | ha, how did I guess :) |
| 01:55.53 | jg | that turns over, and drops the sand... |
| 01:56.02 | jg | it stretched the limits of keithp's artistic skills. |
| 01:56.27 | mallum | hehe |
| 01:56.31 | __moray | whoops, I shouldn't laugh so loudly, or I'll wake people up... |
| 01:57.22 | mallum | yeah tis getting late |
| 01:57.29 | mallum | better get some sleep ... |
| 01:57.33 | mallum | g'night all |
| 01:58.28 | __moray | night mallum |
| 01:58.56 | __moray | (hm, lag due to the wireless network cutting out when I shut the door) |
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| 03:31.35 | bemis | ibot suspend lock |
| 03:31.35 | | bemis: are you smoking crack? |
| 03:31.40 | bemis | yes |
| 03:32.25 | bemis | my gpe prompts for login after it suspends, and I know there is a way to fix it, because I have done it before |
| 03:32.44 | bemis | stop it from prompting to re-enter my password I mean |
| 03:32.52 | bemis | I deleted some directory or file |
| 03:33.10 | bemis | ibot where is suspend? |
| 03:33.10 | | In order to suspend the ipaq with the newer opie, you need apmd installed. |
| 03:33.35 | bemis | ibot login |
| 03:33.35 | | bemis: I give up, what is it? |
| 03:36.51 | bemis | ibot ? |
| 03:36.51 | | bemis: no idea |
| 03:37.22 | bemis | ibot suspend login can be found at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/GPENewbie |
| 03:37.23 | | You are moron #7, bemis |
| 03:43.00 | bemis | ibot suspend is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/GPENewbie |
| 03:43.01 | | ...but suspend is already something else... |
| 03:43.17 | bemis | ibot "suspend lock" is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/GPENewbie |
| 03:43.17 | | bemis: what are you talking about? |
| 03:43.45 | bemis | ibot what is suspend |
| 03:43.46 | | In order to suspend the ipaq with the newer opie, you need apmd installed. |
| 03:44.05 | bemis | ibot lock is at http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/GPENewbie |
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| 11:32.23 | mallum | pb_: hey |
| 11:40.15 | pb_ | hi mallum |
| 11:40.42 | mallum | pb_: ah what was up ? |
| 11:41.07 | pb_ | mallum: laid low by some kind of stomach bug yesterday |
| 11:41.22 | mallum | pb_: doh :( |
| 11:41.22 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 11:41.34 | mallum | pb_: I got X CVS safely installed |
| 11:41.38 | pb_ | ah cool. |
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| 11:44.49 | mallum | pb_: its runs fine, but wont let me switch VT's if I run it dual with 4.2 X :( |
| 11:48.18 | pb_ | bizarre. |
| 11:48.26 | pb_ | what happens when you try to switch? |
| 11:55.15 | mallum | well the keys have no effect - Im not sure if this is a CVS bug - IIRC there are current cvs issues with 'special' keys |
| 11:55.37 | mallum | pb_: and chvt just cause the screen to blank as if its doing the switch and then lock up :( |
| 11:58.54 | pb_ | ah. |
| 12:01.15 | mallum | I have to build a new tinyX server - thats normally ok with VT switching |
| 12:20.36 | mallum | pb_: what macro is safer to use __func__ or __FUNCTION__ ? |
| 12:20.48 | pb_ | don't think it makes much difference. |
| 12:21.57 | mallum | cool |
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| 17:13.51 | mallum | hey pb_ |
| 17:14.43 | prpplague | mallum: howdy |
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| 17:20.55 | mallum | hey prpplague |
| 17:21.03 | mallum | I rewrote monolaunch today |
| 17:21.10 | mallum | painful, but satisfying |
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| 17:21.23 | pb_ | hi mallum |
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| 18:09.31 | mallum | pb_: how is the bt tool going BTW ? |
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| 18:10.13 | pb_ | mallum: good, though the bt on my 3970 has stopped working for some reason. |
| 18:11.34 | mallum | pb_: :( |
| 18:11.53 | mallum | pb_: Im now building garnome against xfree cvs |
| 18:11.56 | pb_ | cool |
| 18:12.12 | mallum | my tibook is burning my lap |
| 18:12.57 | pb_ | don't wanna end up like this man: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2503291.stm |
| 18:13.46 | mallum | hehe |
| 18:14.06 | mallum | pb_: I think I should have matchbox 0.4pre1 ipkg out next week :-) |
| 18:14.35 | pb_ | excellent |
| 18:17.44 | mallum | pb_: do the gpe ipkgs have .desktop files now ? |
| 18:18.25 | pb_ | mallum: I dunno, probably not in most cases. But I can easily enough spin new packages for most of them. |
| 18:19.38 | mallum | pb_: cool, may be worth doing that soon ish if possible |
| 18:20.13 | pb_ | ok |
| 18:20.22 | mallum | pb_: okey gonna get some turkish :-) |
| 18:20.24 | mallum | biab |
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| 18:28.01 | pb_ | bbl |
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| 19:34.10 | mallum | ewe I have eaten too much |
| 19:34.43 | pb___ | heh |
| 19:54.08 | pb___ | btw, I sent mail to the libc hackers regarding that regex problem. |
| 20:43.47 | spung | hmm, i'm having trouble with CVS |
| 20:43.54 | spung | can someone help me out? |
| 20:43.57 | pb_ | what kind of trouble? |
| 20:43.59 | spung | luis@home:~/Projects/gpe/base$ cvs co gpe-calendar |
| 20:44.00 | spung | Enter passphrase for key '/home/luis/.ssh/id_rsa': |
| 20:44.00 | spung | cvs server: cannot find module `gpe-calendar' - ignored |
| 20:44.00 | spung | cvs [checkout aborted]: cannot expand modules |
| 20:44.14 | pb_ | you want base/gpe-calendar, most likely |
| 20:44.23 | pb_ | or gpe/base/gpe-calendar, depends what you are giving as CVSROOT |
| 20:45.24 | spung | luis@home:~/Projects/gpe$ ls |
| 20:45.25 | spung | CVS CVSROOT base games gpe-logo html tasks |
| 20:45.25 | spung | luis@home:~/Projects/gpe$ cvs co base |
| 20:45.25 | spung | Enter passphrase for key '/home/luis/.ssh/id_rsa': |
| 20:45.25 | spung | cvs server: cannot find module `base' - ignored |
| 20:45.27 | spung | cvs [checkout aborted]: cannot expand modules |
| 20:46.14 | spung | if i do cvs co gpe/base |
| 20:46.26 | spung | i get |
| 20:46.27 | spung | luis@home:~/Projects/gpe$ ls |
| 20:46.28 | spung | CVS CVSROOT base games gpe gpe-logo html tasks |
| 20:46.28 | spung | luis@home:~/Projects/gpe$ ls gpe |
| 20:46.28 | spung | CVS base |
| 20:46.37 | spung | a new gpe dir %-) |
| 20:46.42 | pb_ | oh, I see, you were already in a checked out tree. |
| 20:46.53 | pb_ | just "cvs update -d gpe-calendar" would probably get you the extra directory. |
| 20:47.27 | pb_ | or go up one level and rerun cvs checkout there. |
| 20:47.49 | spung | in ~/Projects ? |
| 20:47.52 | pb_ | yeah |
| 20:49.45 | spung | thanks |
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| 20:55.10 | mallum | pb_: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=171988 ;-) |
| 20:55.39 | pb_ | whoa |
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| 20:56.35 | pb_ | hi florian |
| 20:56.36 | florian | hi all |
| 20:56.39 | BluefoxIcy | hey question |
| 20:56.43 | BluefoxIcy | where is gtk-config? o.o |
| 20:56.55 | pb_ | /usr/bin/gtk-config |
| 20:57.12 | BluefoxIcy | uhh |
| 20:57.15 | BluefoxIcy | it doesn't exist |
| 20:57.44 | mallum | pb_: is the license on this DFSG compliant -> http://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.net/ |
| 20:58.48 | BluefoxIcy | dude I'm trying to compile xmms, and it can't find gtk >= 1.2.2, and I think that ./configure is looking for gtk-config (it says it is o.o), and I just reinstalled gtk 1.2.10-fam1 |
| 20:58.59 | pb_ | mallum: GPL? I guess so. |
| 20:59.51 | pb_ | mallum: vague threats about dire consequences if you "make music that is against God and Jesus" don't disqualify a package as far as I know :-} |
| 21:00.21 | pb_ | BluefoxIcy: the gtk package only contains the runtime libraries, you need the development files. |
| 21:00.38 | BluefoxIcy | ahh I installed gtk-dev (forced actually, it wants dpkg) |
| 21:00.40 | mallum | pb_: hehe |
| 21:01.42 | BluefoxIcy | wants xlibs-dev and pkg-config... |
| 21:01.49 | BluefoxIcy | ....err. pkg-config... |
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| 22:45.37 | pb__ | jg: evening |
| 22:45.55 | jg | pb_: evening... |
| 22:45.56 | jg | long day. |
| 22:46.07 | jg | messing with doctors for all of it. |
| 22:46.19 | pb__ | :-/ |
| 22:46.22 | pb__ | how did you get on with them? |
| 22:46.34 | jg | surgery is scheduled for Sunday. |
| 22:46.47 | jg | stitches out just before xmas. |
| 22:47.12 | jg | no weight on it for 4-6 weeks, no full weight for 8 weeks or so. |
| 22:47.12 | pb__ | ah right. |
| 22:47.36 | jg | pb_: remaining question is what sort of anesthesia |
| 22:48.05 | pb__ | aha. |
| 22:48.39 | pb__ | do you get to choose, or is it just a case of waiting to find out what they select for you? |
| 22:52.42 | pb__ | mallum: see http://handhelds.org/scap/port.13313.png |
| 22:52.59 | pb__ | mallum: seems I have some kind of shape registration problem with the dock icon. :-/ |
| 22:54.03 | florian | good night |
| 22:54.17 | pb__ | florian: g'night |
| 22:55.04 | jg | general, spinal, or regional. |
| 22:55.04 | jg | I get a say in the decision. |
| 22:55.04 | jg | Not obvious to me what to do. |
| 22:55.51 | florian | pb__: btw looks nice... |
| 23:00.11 | pb__ | jg: ah, I see. well, general sounds to me like something best avoided, though I don't know much about the relative merits of other two. |
| 23:02.16 | jg | pb_: spinal is good, except for spinal headaches that sometimes happen (I saw my wife have one). regional may or may not aggravate the peripheral neuropathy I have. General has its problems, particularly for those with marginal airways like mine (though my surgery last year makes that much less of an issue). Not obvious at all.... |
| 23:11.19 | pb__ | jg: mmm, sounds complicated. |
| 23:36.53 | mallum | pb_: your shape mask is off ? |
| 23:41.44 | pb__ | mallum: so it seems, though I don't really understand how that is happening. |
| 23:42.26 | mallum | pb_is the code in cvs ? |
| 23:42.43 | pb__ | mallum: yes |
| 23:43.15 | mallum | pb_: also I've been offered one of these sharp sl-c700's ( for a price ) but with jap only os |
| 23:43.39 | pb_ | mallum: oh right, neat. |
| 23:43.41 | mallum | pb_: what do you think the chances are of me getting X on it |
| 23:44.23 | pb_ | mallum: fairly good, I guess. |
| 23:45.10 | pb_ | mallum: I would expect the fbdev Xserver to "just work", though the touchscreen might be more of a problem. |
| 23:47.10 | mallum | pb_: yeah Im more concerned about it having a japanese qte installed, does that mean geting a term in it all the binarys will have japanese names ...? |
| 23:47.42 | pb_ | mallum: I doubt the binaries will actually be named in Japanese on disk. |
| 23:48.43 | mallum | pb_: yeah, the keyboard is english -> http://www.zdnet.co.jp/mobile/0211/12/l_za2.jpg |
| 23:49.01 | pb_ | mallum: yes, Japanese machines still use qwerty keyboards. |
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| 23:50.16 | pb_ | dc__: evening :-) |
| 23:50.26 | dc__ | almost morning. |
| 23:50.28 | mallum | hmmm, anyone was a dual pIII 2u rackmount server going cheap ... ;-) |
| 23:50.31 | dc__ | yum |
| 23:50.48 | dc__ | exams ahve finished. |
| 23:50.53 | pb_ | dc__: cool |
| 23:50.57 | dc__ | so here comes a weekend of C :) |
| 23:51.05 | pb_ | dc__: now you just have the real ones to look forward to in 6 months :-} |
| 23:51.23 | mallum | dc__: cool, well done on exams ! |
| 23:51.41 | dc__ | pb_: yeah, hehe. |
| 23:51.45 | dc__ | mallum: thanks :] |
| 23:52.09 | pb_ | dc__: when do you get the results of your mocks? |
| 23:52.26 | dc__ | pb_: well, I got a b/c in biology. |
| 23:52.38 | dc__ | pb_: a c/d in chemistry. |
| 23:52.47 | dc__ | pb_: which I'm both pleased about. |
| 23:53.02 | dc__ | pb_: and well physics I think D. |
| 23:53.08 | dc__ | maths hopefully C. |
| 23:53.15 | dc__ | but I'm still waiting on those. |
| 23:53.32 | dc__ | my utter geekyness saved my today though. |
| 23:53.47 | __moray | dc__: how was that? |
| 23:54.08 | pb_ | ah, __moray stirs. |
| 23:54.22 | dc__ | I happened to read an article on fluenzia virus in new scientist just before the biology exam |
| 23:54.35 | dc__ | which happened to have 3 pages of questions on it :D |
| 23:54.37 | __moray | pb_: yup, in London at the moment |
| 23:54.47 | pb_ | dc__: heh, quite a result there. |
| 23:54.52 | __moray | dc__: ha :) |
| 23:54.54 | dc__ | and it seems I was the only one to answer them. |
| 23:54.56 | dc__ | hehe. |
| 23:55.06 | dc__ | yeah, lets just hope something like that happens in the realy exams. |
| 23:55.11 | pb_ | yeah :-) |
| 23:55.39 | __moray | pb_: I'm wondering about taking my laptop away with me next week in the hope I actually get some peace to code some time... |
| 23:57.00 | dc__ | so. |
| 23:57.24 | pb_ | __moray: aha, good plan. |
| 23:58.38 | __moray | pb_: though I'm sure I'll find I'm missing some vital library once I'm away from a net connection... |
