| 00:00.26 | mallum | pb_: I have the problem where my ipaq awakes if I send it to sleep via apm --suspend, but not if I send it too sleep via the button |
| 00:01.00 | pb_ | mallum: ah ok. I think that one will also go away with the new stuff. |
| 00:01.16 | pb_ | mallum: you will need to upgrade both keylaunch and gpe-session-scripts to the latest versions. |
| 00:01.36 | pb_ | mallum: if you don't use gpe-session-scripts, you will have to upgrade the kernel instead. |
| 00:06.06 | mallum | pb_: okey, I use gpe-session scripts |
| 00:06.17 | pb_ | righto. |
| 00:06.40 | mallum | pb_: also have you tried usb networking recently ? |
| 00:06.50 | pb_ | nope. |
| 00:07.14 | pb_ | I stopped using it a month or so back because my ipaq was locking up whenever I docked it. |
| 00:11.11 | mallum | ah ok |
| 00:11.43 | pb_ | I think Damien is still using it though. |
| 00:14.05 | mallum | I will upgrade and see if I can get it working again |
| 00:16.23 | moray | I'm not quite sure what's up with my wireless networking configuration either (I haven't had time to look properly) - it doesn't come up when I start, but only after an 'ifdown eth0; ifup eth0'. it's possible I'm meant to just fill the values in in /etc/pcmcia/network.opts in the old-fashioned way of course |
| 00:18.08 | mallum | moray: do you use a prism hostap linux ap ? |
| 00:20.29 | moray | mallum: in my brother's flat I do |
| 00:20.57 | moray | here I'm using the college wireless network - which has the amusing side-effect that most days I only get reception at certain parts of my desk |
| 00:21.28 | HET2 | anybody fit with glade? |
| 00:21.54 | HET2 | (glade-- even) |
| 00:22.33 | mallum | moray: I've had the same problem with recentish hostap's and certain cards ( ipaq and laptop ) |
| 00:25.04 | HET2 | glade fitness would suit me too... |
| 00:31.37 | moray | mallum: I think in this case the Familiar pcmcia setup just isn't doing an appropriate ifconfig |
| 00:31.52 | moray | mallum: they're assuming people use dhcp I think |
| 00:32.42 | mallum | moray: if its a card isn't it handled by pcmcia-cs ? |
| 00:34.01 | moray | mallum: well, I'm not sure what state that's in in Familiar - in Debian it changed a while ago so you were recommended to configure them in /etc/network/interfaces anyway, and that's used unless you have values written in /etc/pcmcia/network.opts : I suspect the /etc/pcmcia/network in Familiar doesn't do this through (non)design or a bug |
| 00:44.29 | pb_ | moray: hm, can we make keylaunch act on "hold" events as soon as the time expires, rather than only when the button is released? |
| 00:45.27 | pb_ | moray: it's rather more intuitive for the user if the drill is that you hold the button down until something happens, rather than having to guess how long to hold it and only finding out whether you were right when you let go. |
| 00:45.50 | moray | pb_: good idea, yes |
| 00:46.46 | moray | pb_: I don't think I'll do that tonight (since the current version is workable and I have other stuff to get on with, as well as sleep to have eventually), but I'll try to remember to get back to it soon |
| 00:47.04 | moray | pb_: feel free to nag me from about Monday ;) |
| 00:47.21 | pb_ | heh, sure. |
| 00:48.18 | moray | I'd actually half-noticed myself being confused about how long to hold, but hadn't thought of just getting it to time out, since I was in the mindset of waiting for the release event from before |
| 00:55.24 | moray | hm, does gpe-conf work for people? I'm still getting the error about not finding icons |
| 00:55.44 | pb_ | gtk1 or gtk2 version? |
| 00:56.15 | moray | gtk2 |
| 00:58.27 | moray | [ Unable to load icon "ipaq" ] |
| 01:00.21 | moray | hm: "Package gpe-conf2 (0.0.5) installed in root is up to date", but manual inspection of the feed shows a 0.0.6 from ages ago |
| 01:00.33 | pb_ | hrm. |
| 01:00.46 | moray | oh, no - that's gpe-conf |
| 01:00.47 | pb_ | maybe another ipkg-compare-versions failure then. |
| 01:00.51 | pb_ | ah. |
| 01:00.57 | moray | so possibly the problem is that a gtk2 version hasn't been built? |
| 01:01.01 | pb_ | could well be. |
| 01:01.13 | pb_ | I think it was mccarthy who was building the gtk2 packages before. |
| 01:01.22 | pb_ | You could check the mccarthyfeed to see if there is a new one available there. |
| 01:01.47 | moray | indeed there is :/ |
| 01:02.16 | pb_ | hmph. |
| 01:02.27 | moray | (dated 16 October) |
| 01:02.52 | pb_ | want to send him a mail and suggest he uploads it to unstable? |
| 01:03.05 | moray | I'll check it works first, but yes that might be an idea |
| 01:04.09 | pb_ | hm, the kernel in unstable doesn't seem all that, er, stable. |
| 01:04.20 | moray | the 0.0.6 has the same problem for me actually |
| 01:04.26 | pb_ | my jffs2_gcd_mtd1 keeps turning into a zombie. |
| 01:04.30 | pb_ | moray: oh dear. |
| 01:04.32 | moray | (I'll try CVS perhaps) |
| 01:04.37 | pb_ | yeah. |
| 01:04.42 | moray | pb_: that's perhaps not terribly helpful... |
| 01:31.54 | stargirl_ | anyone still awake? |
| 01:32.59 | moray | stargirl_: generally asking questions gets you further; we don't know what you're going to want us to do at the moment... ;) |
| 01:33.19 | stargirl_ | ah ;-) |
| 01:33.45 | stargirl_ | is there (going to be?) a gconf type of thing for gpe? |
| 01:35.13 | pb_ | there is an XSETTINGS implementation, in the shape of gpe-confd. |
| 01:35.18 | pb_ | what exactly are you looking for? |
| 01:35.46 | stargirl_ | something to store program configurations for my gpe-dasher program |
| 01:36.15 | pb_ | ok. well, you could certainly do that with gpe-confd. |
| 01:36.37 | pb_ | I'm not sure if there is a convenient programmatic interface to write to the database yet, but it would be fairly easy to add one if not. |
| 01:37.06 | stargirl_ | okay, cool, that sounds like the kind of thing I'm looking for |
| 01:37.20 | stargirl_ | I shall investigate gpe-confd |
| 01:37.57 | pb_ | gpe-calendar already uses it, but in read-only mode (you set the options externally using xst) |
| 01:39.48 | stargirl_ | ah okay, I'll take a look at what gpe-calendar does |
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| 10:25.07 | dc__ | I think I'm going to die :[[ |
| 10:25.33 | dc__ | this flu really isn't good. |
| 10:26.27 | Kero | don't die... go see a doctor. |
| 10:26.37 | dc__ | :/ |
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| 10:59.10 | dc__ | morning pierre |
| 10:59.37 | pierre | morning.. |
| 11:01.29 | dc__ | :/ |
| 11:05.53 | pierre | dc__: :/ ? |
| 11:06.13 | torkar | any1 here uses linux on a 39xx? |
| 11:07.01 | dc__ | torkar: I know pb_ (Phil Blundle) is working on familiar for it. |
| 11:07.12 | dc__ | torkar: he just recently got X working i think |
| 11:07.45 | dc__ | torkar: he'll probly sign on in a few hours/ |
| 11:11.28 | torkar | okie |
| 11:11.47 | torkar | I have it installed and it works sort of. But unfortunately my batteries don't seem to recharge.. |
| 11:12.19 | dc__ | ah yeah |
| 11:12.28 | dc__ | well there's probly some fix he has for that |
| 11:12.31 | pierre | my ipaq does the same at the beginning. |
| 11:12.44 | dc__ | for now I suggest you don't let it run down. |
| 11:12.45 | pierre | hardware problem |
| 11:13.13 | dc__ | pierre: oh? |
| 11:13.31 | pierre | I had to charge and decharge it for the battery to really work.. |
| 11:13.57 | pierre | yes, it seams that it has been stocked for a year before I have it. |
| 11:14.19 | torkar | hmm but I have used my 39xx for two months with pocketpc |
| 11:14.42 | pierre | ok. so its not the problem :) |
| 11:15.04 | torkar | the other day I installed linux and it emptied my batteries after a day or two and then I recharged it (I thought) but my batt seems empty |
| 11:15.06 | dc__ | I'm pretty sure it's a kernel problem |
| 11:15.19 | torkar | definitely. |
| 11:15.28 | dc__ | but pb_ most surely has a fix |
| 11:15.30 | torkar | Does apm need to work to be able to recharge it? |
| 11:15.45 | dc__ | jg_ will also know |
| 11:15.48 | torkar | hmm See now on my ipaq that apm is recharging it now :) |
| 11:15.56 | torkar | 1.13 1.2 0x02 0x01 0x03 0xff 5% 15 min |
| 11:16.05 | torkar | It was 0% a while ago :) |
| 11:16.10 | dc__ | oh :] |
| 11:16.33 | torkar | but gpe seem a bot imature to me. Maybe because I have the 39xx and I have to make a reset every now and then. |
| 11:16.50 | torkar | Time is not set and kept in mem. The calendar is always starting at 1971.. |
| 11:18.08 | dc__ | that's not gpe's fault :) |
| 11:18.13 | torkar | good to hear :) |
| 11:18.15 | dc__ | torkar: you need to set the date. |
| 11:18.26 | dc__ | if you connect it to the outside world. |
| 11:18.36 | dc__ | you can run 'ntpdate -b ntp.apple.com' |
| 11:18.42 | torkar | okie :) |
| 11:18.47 | torkar | But after a reset :( |
| 11:18.52 | dc__ | and I think someone has fixed the problem when it resets. |
| 11:19.05 | torkar | okie :) how do I update the gpe now? ipkg update ? |
| 11:19.17 | dc__ | well, if I was you. |
| 11:19.28 | torkar | yes |
| 11:19.29 | dc__ | remove all the gpe gtk1 packages and install gpe gtk2 |
| 11:19.45 | torkar | how do I do that? |
| 11:19.52 | dc__ | right, one sec. |
| 11:20.16 | torkar | one more q. Where does linux on ipaq store it's log file? (i.e. messages) |
| 11:20.51 | dc__ | er, well it should have dmesg |
| 11:20.54 | dc__ | hrm |
| 11:21.00 | dc__ | familiar.handhelds.org is down |
| 11:21.11 | torkar | okie dmesg will do :) |
| 11:21.18 | torkar | yeah I noticed that.. |
| 11:21.35 | dc__ | well, when it's back up. |
| 11:22.22 | dc__ | you basicly do 'ipkg remove gpe-calendar gpe-todo gpe-edit gpe-appmgr' and any other apps you have installed |
| 11:22.22 | torkar | yes? |
| 11:22.31 | torkar | any other gpe apps you mean? |
| 11:22.37 | dc__ | then 'ipkg install gpe2' or it may be task-gpe2 I'm not sure. |
| 11:22.51 | dc__ | torkar: any other gpe-apps you have installed. |
| 11:22.55 | torkar | okie |
| 11:23.01 | torkar | thanx a lot :) |
| 11:23.11 | dc__ | the gtk2 stuff is alot more advanced. |
| 11:23.14 | torkar | Another thins I've noticed (not a gpe thing though) |
| 11:23.17 | torkar | thing |
| 11:23.32 | torkar | My connection scripts fail often when doing my pppd call ipaq |
| 11:23.41 | dc__ | hm |
| 11:23.48 | dc__ | have you got a usb cradle? |
| 11:24.00 | torkar | yeas |
| 11:24.12 | torkar | sometimes it works and sometimes not. It's very inconsistent |
| 11:27.47 | torkar | dc__: should I _always_ use this feed? http://familiar.handhelds.org/familiar/feeds/unstable/packages/armv4l//Packages |
| 11:28.22 | dc__ | torkar: well yes, it's defently the most updated |
| 11:28.28 | torkar | good :) |
| 11:28.55 | torkar | If i do a ipkg list do I get a list of all available pkg for installtion or do I get the pkg I have installed? |
| 11:29.24 | dc__ | I think that's only the ones your have installed. |
| 11:29.43 | torkar | strange cause ipkg list says I have tetris and tetris2 installed |
| 11:29.57 | torkar | same whit gpe-timesheet soundbite setbg etc |
| 11:30.02 | dc__ | oh |
| 11:30.08 | dc__ | maybe I'm wrong then |
| 11:30.13 | torkar | :) |
| 11:30.22 | dc__ | yes, it would sound like it's a list of all the packages |
| 11:30.22 | torkar | I'll check around. Thanx for the help dc__ |
| 11:30.31 | dc__ | right |
| 11:35.03 | pierre | dc__: is the cvs down? |
| 11:35.42 | dc__ | pierre: it would seem |
| 11:35.43 | dc__ | :{ |
| 11:35.47 | dc__ | it was down last night to |
| 11:35.59 | pierre | week end... |
| 11:36.13 | torkar | hmm I can't seem to figure out how to ask ipkg which packages are installed.. i.e. rpm -qa |
| 11:42.02 | torkar | hehehe, that's because you can't do that....... |
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| 11:50.38 | florian | Hello! |
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| 11:57.07 | pb_ | morning |
| 11:57.54 | torkar | morning |
| 11:58.27 | torkar | should I use ipkg install gpe2 or ipkg install task-gpe2? |
| 11:58.33 | pb_ | gpe2 |
| 11:58.38 | torkar | okie |
| 11:58.38 | torkar | thanx |
| 12:03.29 | BBrox | [SOT] http://www.mixnmojo.com/jake/scummvmad/3.html |
| 12:03.58 | moray | BBrox: who are you calling a sot? ;) |
| 12:04.14 | BBrox | Somewhat Off Topic :-) |
| 12:04.25 | pb_ | BBrox: heh, cool. |
| 12:04.52 | moray | yes, those look rather nice |
| 12:05.50 | BBrox | It's the WinCE version of ScummVM (as shown by the logo on the bottom), but the Linux version looks the same :-) |
| 12:06.02 | moray | not that I've actually got scummvm to run yet, but still... ;) (the immediate problem is with extracting the data files rather than scummvm itself) |
| 12:06.07 | torkar | what's wrong with handhelds.org? |
| 12:06.29 | pb_ | torkar: handhelds.org has been having reachability problems all weekend |
| 12:06.45 | pb_ | must be those pesky New England squirrels again. |
| 12:07.08 | torkar | hehe.. So probably will not be up and running today then.. |
| 12:07.29 | pb_ | torkar: yesterday it came and went a few times, so if you keep trying periodically you might be lucky. |
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| 12:07.36 | torkar | pb_: How do I upgrade my kernel on the 39xx? I recon you will release no kernels when problems are fixed along the way? |
| 12:07.48 | torkar | Any news on the apm /suspen/resume bug? |
| 12:08.05 | pb_ | torkar: Yeah. If you put http://handhelds.org/~pb/3900/2.4.19-rmk4-pxa1 as a feed in ipkg.conf, you will automatically get the latest versions. |
| 12:08.15 | pb_ | torkar: which bug is that? |
| 12:08.54 | torkar | well I have 2.4.19-rmk4-pxa1-hh1 if I turn my ipaq off and then on it locks. |
| 12:09.00 | pb_ | ah, that one. |
| 12:09.01 | torkar | it has done that since day 1 :) |
| 12:09.04 | pb_ | it's fixed in -hh5. |
| 12:09.12 | torkar | ahaaa. On your homepage? |
| 12:09.19 | pb_ | yeah, in the directory I just mentioned. |
| 12:09.32 | torkar | good. How do I upgrade the kernel then? |
| 12:10.05 | torkar | bootloader serial? and then just partition reset, load root, boot? |
| 12:10.15 | pb_ | theoretically, just "ipkg update; ipkg upgrade" should do it. If you are upgrading from the original kernel, it is slightly more involved. |
| 12:10.36 | pb_ | you will have to ipkg install kernel-2.4.19-rmk4-pxa1, and then ipkg-remove kernel-2.4.19-rmk4-pxa1-hh1. |
| 12:10.51 | pb_ | similarly for the various *-modules packages. |
| 12:10.51 | torkar | okie thanx a bunch pb_ |
| 12:11.00 | torkar | great :) |
| 12:11.28 | pb_ | no need to reflash the whole root fs, but you can do that instead if you want. The latest "pb0" boot images were built with hh5. |
| 12:11.43 | torkar | hmmm |
| 12:12.10 | torkar | so I follow the same procedure as the last time but use the pb0 boot image instead? |
| 12:12.15 | pb_ | yup |
| 12:12.18 | torkar | is that in your home dir as well? |
| 12:12.23 | pb_ | just do "load root" and send the file with xmodem. |
| 12:12.28 | pb_ | yes. |
| 12:12.32 | torkar | great |
| 12:12.43 | torkar | hope handhelds.org gets up someday again.. |
| 12:12.56 | moray | torkar: it was up again briefly last night :/ |
| 12:13.03 | torkar | hehe |
| 12:13.07 | torkar | missed it ;) |
| 12:13.10 | moray | torkar: it's certainly the network rather than the machine |
| 12:13.38 | torkar | okie |
| 12:13.52 | torkar | pb_: you don't have these files anywhere else? |
| 12:14.04 | moray | pb_: so are you going to fix whatever's making my 3600 series (sometimes) hang after suspend while you're at it? ;) |
| 12:14.13 | pb_ | torkar: I can stick them on my debian.org homepage if you want. |
| 12:14.23 | pb_ | moray: I think that bug is fixed in bootldr 2.19.49. |
| 12:14.28 | torkar | I'd love that! If it's not to much of a problem :) |
| 12:14.28 | moray | aha |
| 12:14.35 | moray | pb_: I think I'm still on .48 |
| 12:14.51 | pb_ | torkar: okay. it will probably take 10-15 minutes to ship the bits around. I'll let you know. |
| 12:15.05 | torkar | great thanks a lot pb_ |
| 12:15.06 | pb_ | moray: you are probably also on 2.18.xx rather than 2.19.xx |
| 12:15.10 | moray | pb_: oh, if you remember I'd been complaining about my risc pc disappearing, well it mysteriously came back again by a couple of days ago |
| 12:15.38 | pb_ | moray: oh right, weird. Maybe NFS gets unstuck by itself if you just leave it alone long enough. |
| 12:15.58 | moray | I hadn't got round to getting someone there to reboot it, then tried pinging again and found it was there |
| 12:16.43 | pb_ | torkar: to save me some time, which of the three boot images (bootstrap, bootgpe, bootopie) do you plan to use? |
| 12:16.59 | pb_ | torkar: they are ~8MB each, so I would rather not upload more files than I need to. |
| 12:17.04 | moray | well, I'll try to remember to build a new kernel before the next time I visit it (not something to do remotely especially in this case where it requires you to download the kernel into RISC OS before you can boot) |
| 12:17.14 | pb_ | torkar: or did you want just the kernel packages? |
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| 12:17.30 | pb_ | moray: indeed. :-/ |
| 12:17.32 | dc__ | argh |
| 12:17.35 | dc__ | power cut |
| 12:17.37 | pb_ | dc__: hell! |
| 12:17.38 | moray | dc__: ouch |
| 12:17.39 | dc__ | morning pb_ :) |
| 12:17.43 | pb_ | dc__: morning. |
| 12:17.47 | dc__ | heh, hey moray |
| 12:17.50 | moray | hi dc__ |
| 12:17.53 | dc__ | luck I upgraaded to ext3! |
| 12:17.55 | dc__ | hehe |
| 12:17.56 | moray | ha |
| 12:18.01 | pb_ | dc__: indeed. |
| 12:18.22 | torkar | I want to use gpe2 |
| 12:18.50 | pb_ | torkar: ok. in that case, if you want to reflash, you are best starting with the bootstrap image. |
| 12:18.56 | torkar | so only the kernel images and then I upload ipkg myself and download gpe2? |
| 12:19.01 | moray | (actually, I think the big signs about the firefighters' strikes here included the implication we should be turning computers off when we're not actually sitting at them, but that seems somewhat extreme to me) |
| 12:19.06 | pb_ | torkar: yup, that would work. |
| 12:19.12 | pb_ | torkar: ok, lemme upload the kernel ipks |
| 12:19.18 | torkar | thanks! |
| 12:19.27 | dc__ | moray: :/ |
| 12:19.42 | dc__ | moray: that excludes us then |
| 12:19.44 | dc__ | hrm |
| 12:19.47 | dc__ | hh still down |
| 12:20.10 | torkar | pb_: ! |
| 12:20.14 | moray | dc__: indeed, my packets are getting stuck just after getting from one Cambridge to the other |
| 12:20.16 | torkar | I can reach your homepage now! |
| 12:20.21 | pb_ | torkar: oh! |
| 12:20.26 | torkar | @ handhelds :) |
| 12:20.28 | dc__ | moray: ouch.. |
| 12:20.31 | pb_ | evidently handhelds.org lives in some limited way. |
| 12:20.45 | moray | ah, it's pinging from here just now yes |
| 12:20.47 | torkar | hehehe so what do I need? |
| 12:20.54 | torkar | bootstrap? |
| 12:21.03 | dc__ | I'm still down |
| 12:21.06 | pb_ | torkar: you may as well just use the ipks. |
| 12:21.07 | pb_ | dc__: me too. |
| 12:21.15 | torkar | okie? |
| 12:21.23 | pb_ | torkar: add this line to your /etc/ipkg.conf |
| 12:21.37 | pb_ | src 3900 http://handhelds.org/~pb/3900/2.4.19-rmk4-pxa1 |
| 12:22.09 | pb_ | moray: like yesterday, I can now reach hh.org from Zen but not from NTL. |
| 12:22.19 | torkar | okie done that. |
| 12:22.24 | pb_ | torkar: ipkg update |
| 12:22.32 | torkar | on my way :9 |
| 12:22.35 | torkar | :) |
| 12:22.39 | moray | pb_: I think someone put a curse on them long ago... |
| 12:22.40 | pb_ | torkar: ipkg install kernel-modules-2.4.19-rmk4-pxa1 |
| 12:22.47 | pb_ | then kernel-2.4.19-rmk4-pxa1 |
| 12:23.03 | pb_ | then any other modules you need (probably pcmcia-modules-.. and ppp-modules-.. at least) |
| 12:23.19 | torkar | great. |
| 12:23.24 | pb_ | moray: heh, most likely. |
| 12:24.30 | torkar | modules d/l and installed |
| 12:24.35 | torkar | next the kernel |
| 12:27.01 | torkar | next the pcmcia-modules and ppp-modules |
| 12:28.01 | torkar | sooo :) That's it. Since I've removed all the gpe things (i think) I can now do a ipkg install gpe2? |
| 12:29.08 | torkar | grrr bloody hell. handhelds is unreachable again and it hasn't d/l the ppp-modules..... *sigh* |
| 12:30.01 | torkar | pb_ Could you put the ppp-modules-2.4.19-rmk4-pxa1 somewhere? |
| 12:30.07 | moray | torkar: you might want to check if you've removed e.g. libgtk1.2, but it sounds as if you're ready to go when hh.org comes back |
| 12:31.42 | torkar | moray: heh. Haven't removed libgtk1.2 and I see that there are more things to remove ;) |
| 12:32.00 | torkar | gdk-pixbuf dillo et.al. |
| 12:32.01 | moray | hm, pings 28 and 95 got through a moment ago; otherwise I'm occasionally getting Destination Host Unreachable from various routers... |
| 12:33.05 | moray | torkar: back again from here |
| 12:34.01 | torkar | hmm nope I still have no connection :( |
| 12:34.03 | pb_ | torkar: ok |
| 12:34.49 | pb_ | torkar: try gluck.debian.org/~pb/ |
| 12:35.59 | torkar | will try :) |
| 12:36.44 | torkar | thanx :) |
| 12:37.49 | torkar | okie now I have kernel kernel-modules ppp-modules pcmcia-modules installed. Is eveything setup for a reboot now? |
| 12:38.09 | pb_ | check the /boot/zImage symlink; make sure it is pointing to the new kernel. |
| 12:38.15 | pb_ | other than that, yes, you should be all set. |
| 12:39.56 | pb_ | (hh.org is back again) |
| 12:45.01 | torkar | good :) lets try this baby out. |
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| 12:47.05 | torkar | zImage -> /boot/zImage-2.4.19-rmk4-pxa1 seems to be correct :) |
| 12:47.17 | pb_ | cool. |
| 12:47.39 | torkar | ipkg remove -force-removal-of-dependent-packages libgtk1.2 was not such a good idea.... It has been chewing for a minute now.. |
| 12:47.52 | pb_ | ah, yeah, that doesn't really work. |
| 12:48.00 | torkar | hmm that explains it. |
| 12:48.01 | pb_ | ipkg has a tendency to loop forever when you ask it to do that. |
| 12:48.09 | dc__ | heh |
| 12:48.11 | torkar | hehehe ok manually then... |
| 12:48.26 | pb_ | you could take it up with TheMasterMind1, he seems to be maintaining ipkg at the moment. |
| 12:48.56 | dc__ | pb_: oh, colin gave up? |
| 12:49.10 | pb_ | dc__: which colin was that? |
| 12:49.26 | pb_ | oh dear, hh.org has dropped off the net again. |
| 12:49.33 | torkar | What I really miss with ipkg is a way to list my installed packages... |
| 12:49.41 | pb_ | torkar: ipkg status | grep ^Package: |
| 12:49.42 | dc__ | pb_: can't remeber, one of this, I always whould he was maintaining it :/ |
| 12:49.44 | dc__ | my bad |
| 12:50.00 | torkar | status??? Ok :) |
| 12:50.15 | pb_ | dc__: very likely you're right and I just didn't know about it. |
| 12:50.47 | torkar | now I have libgtk1.2 removed with all dependencies. So only waiting to do a ipkg install gpe2 |
| 12:52.38 | pb_ | right. |
| 12:52.52 | torkar | thanks a lot for your help pb_ |
| 12:53.00 | pb_ | sure, you're welcome |
| 12:53.19 | torkar | should I remove the old kernel already or should I try booting the new one first? |
| 12:53.41 | pb_ | try the new one first. |
| 12:53.47 | torkar | okie |
| 12:54.03 | torkar | I'll reboot now since hh is down anyway :) |
| 12:54.05 | torkar | bbs |
| 12:54.32 | torkar | It wont get stuck when trying to load X now will it? |
| 12:54.40 | torkar | Since I have no gpe :) |
| 12:54.58 | pb_ | I'm not sure. If you removed gpe-dm, it won't even try to start X at all. |
| 12:55.08 | pb_ | If gpe-dm is there but gpe-login is missing, it will loop. |
| 12:55.17 | torkar | good. I removed it already :) |
| 12:55.23 | pb_ | cool. |
| 12:55.26 | torkar | both of them |
| 12:56.05 | pb_ | wow, it's quite interesting the number of different routers that are sending back "net unreachable" responses for hh.org. |
| 12:57.12 | torkar | heheh I'm, al rebooted here now :) |
| 12:57.17 | torkar | ~ # uname -r |
| 12:57.17 | | torkar: I don't know, could you explain it? |
| 12:57.17 | torkar | 2.4.19-rmk4-pxa1 |
| 12:57.23 | torkar | heh |
| 12:57.24 | pb_ | looks good. |
| 12:58.16 | torkar | it's strange how my pppd call ipaq fails to setup ppp 9 times out of ten |
| 12:58.32 | pb_ | that does sound strange. It's almost 100% reliable for me. |
| 12:58.39 | torkar | hmm I use the usb dock |
| 12:58.42 | pb_ | ah. |
| 12:58.48 | torkar | but I use the serial cable |
| 12:59.01 | pb_ | oh, ok. |
| 12:59.14 | torkar | I get an: pppd 2.4.1 started by root |
| 12:59.18 | torkar | expect (ogin) |
| 12:59.22 | torkar | alarm |
| 12:59.22 | pb_ | I don't think there even is a dedicated serial cradle for newer ipaqs, they all come with the dual usb/serial ones. |
| 12:59.29 | torkar | send (^M) |
| 12:59.47 | torkar | And it does that twice and the I get a Failed |
| 12:59.50 | pb_ | hrm. |
| 12:59.51 | torkar | Conenct script failed |
| 12:59.54 | torkar | Exit |
| 12:59.56 | torkar | Hmm |
| 12:59.57 | torkar | strange |
| 13:00.02 | pb_ | and if you run up minicom, do you get a login prompt straight away? |
| 13:00.06 | torkar | yup |
| 13:00.14 | pb_ | very peculiar. |
| 13:00.21 | torkar | w8 I'm gonna test something |
| 13:03.00 | torkar | Hmm The only thing I have in my dmesg (ipaq) is this: |
| 13:03.03 | torkar | CSLIP: code copyright 1989 Regents of the University of California |
| 13:03.03 | torkar | PPP generic driver version 2.4.2 |
| 13:03.03 | torkar | devfs_register(ppp): could not append to parent, err: -17 |
| 13:03.10 | pb_ | yeah, that looks ok. |
| 13:03.14 | torkar | yeah |
| 13:03.27 | torkar | gotta run it in debug mode :) w8 |
| 13:03.30 | pb_ | if it fails at the connect script stage, it isn't getting far enough to even try starting ppp proper. |
| 13:05.09 | torkar | true.. Noticed that now... |
| 13:05.11 | torkar | Sigh |
| 13:06.00 | torkar | I've tried doing pppd call ipaq 15 times now and suddenly the 16th time it worked... |
| 13:06.07 | torkar | I hate these kind of problems :) |
| 13:06.13 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 13:06.57 | torkar | hehehe well sooner or later it works :) |
| 13:10.16 | torkar | well, no I only have to wait for hh to get back online so that I can install gpe2 |
| 13:10.34 | torkar | now |
| 13:11.35 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 13:32.53 | dc__ | hah |
| 13:33.19 | dc__ | damn un1337 dude has been uploading roms to my server. |
| 13:33.24 | dc__ | he will die! |
| 13:33.30 | dc__ | after I donwload them myself :D |
| 13:33.44 | pb_ | heh |
| 13:33.55 | dc__ | there are some good ones to. |
| 13:33.59 | pb_ | damn those warez d00ds |
| 13:33.59 | dc__ | :) |
| 13:34.13 | pb_ | dc__: ah cool :-) |
| 13:34.45 | dc__ | indeed. |
| 13:34.58 | dc__ | I trust people a bit to much sometimes |
| 13:34.58 | dc__ | hehe ;P |
| 13:35.09 | pb_ | dc__: at one time the armlinux.org machines were being used for warez for about 6 months before anyone noticed. |
| 13:35.47 | dc__ | eek |
| 13:35.54 | dc__ | pb_: did you know who was doing it? |
| 13:35.58 | pb_ | dc__: no idea. |
| 13:36.21 | pb_ | dc__: presumably just some script kiddie trawling the net for readable incoming directories. |
| 13:36.53 | dc__ | well, atleast I know this guy |
| 13:36.58 | dc__ | so I can give him a beating |
| 13:37.01 | pb_ | aha. |
| 13:37.04 | pb_ | that does make things easier. |
| 13:37.21 | dc__ | http://www.geekserve.org/nicksimm/files/roms/ |
| 13:37.25 | dc__ | if you want some before they go, hehehe. |
| 13:37.41 | pb_ | heh |
| 13:37.56 | dc__ | you know you do :) |
| 13:38.08 | dc__ | also, mallum will want some |
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| 13:40.17 | dc__ | yay |
| 13:40.20 | dc__ | mario cart :D |
| 13:40.42 | pb_ | mario cart is a bit too slow on the ipaq. :-( |
| 13:40.45 | pb_ | it runs okay on my PC though |
| 13:40.48 | dc__ | yeah |
| 13:41.04 | pb_ | ah, handhelds lives again |
| 13:43.02 | pb_ | dc__: you will have to use your 1337 asm skills to speed up snes9x |
| 13:43.07 | pb_ | when you acquire them, obviously. |
| 13:45.58 | dc__ | indeed :) |
| 13:46.16 | pb_ | star fox is another game that is unplayably slow on the ipaq right now. |
| 13:46.35 | pb_ | I think it does a lot of floating point. |
| 13:46.40 | dc__ | yay |
| 13:46.51 | dc__ | a japanese version of super bomberman :] |
| 13:46.54 | pb_ | heh |
| 13:47.50 | dc__ | ooh |
| 13:47.56 | dc__ | it speaks japanese aswell! |
| 13:48.03 | pb_ | cool! |
| 13:48.37 | pb_ | hmm, darn, I was too slow with cvs. |
| 13:48.41 | pb_ | network unreachable again. |
| 13:50.23 | dc__ | okay, here go the roms |
| 13:50.38 | pb_ | righto |
| 14:01.44 | dc__ | pb_: so, on the sqlite duplicates subject. |
| 14:01.50 | pb_ | dc__: yes. |
| 14:02.12 | dc__ | pb_: what error will sqlite give me if it has no rows, and I run select * from foo |
| 14:02.36 | pb_ | dc__: probably no error, it will just return no data. |
| 14:02.42 | dc__ | oh okay |
| 14:02.45 | dc__ | fair enough |
| 14:09.52 | torkar | sigh... gpe2 installation has to wait. HH seems to be down real good now... |
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| 17:00.40 | pb_ | hrm |
| 18:20.19 | torkar | hmm I do an install gpe2 and it says that it can't satisfy the following dependencies: |
| 18:20.23 | torkar | gtk-locale* |
| 18:20.27 | torkar | any idea? |
| 18:25.36 | pb_ | torkar: you need a newer ipkg |
| 18:25.47 | pb_ | "ipkg install ipkg" should fix it if you are running unstable. |
| 18:26.24 | torkar | ahaaa. :) |
| 18:26.44 | torkar | yup a new one was installed now :) |
| 18:26.48 | torkar | thanx pb_ |
| 18:30.26 | torkar | pb_: is this normal? |
| 18:30.27 | torkar | Installing libgtk2.0-0 (2.1.1-2) |
| 18:30.28 | torkar | Configuring libgtk2.0-0...gtk-query-immodules-2.0: error while loading shared libraries: libatk-1.0.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:30.28 | torkar | pkg_run_script: `/usr/lib/ipkg/info/libgtk2.0-0.postinst configure' failed: Illegal seek. |
| 18:30.28 | torkar | ERROR: libgtk2.0-0.postinst returned 127 |
| 18:30.36 | pb_ | torkar: regrettably yes |
| 18:30.48 | torkar | ok because I saw it d/l atk later on |
| 18:30.49 | pb_ | torkar: you will have to re-run the postinst by hand when all the necessary libraries have been installed. |
| 18:30.56 | torkar | okie |
| 18:31.03 | pb_ | torkar: I will fix it in the next version of the gtk packages. |
| 18:31.09 | torkar | np :) |
| 18:31.29 | torkar | and it d/l libgtk1.2 anyway? |
| 18:31.44 | torkar | well most apps are prob not ported yet :) |
| 18:32.36 | pb_ | most apps are ported, but there are a few that are not (eg sketchbook) |
| 18:32.43 | torkar | okie :) |
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| 19:27.10 | jsmanrique | hi! |
| 19:27.19 | jsmanrique | what happens with handhelds.org servers? |
| 19:30.53 | jsmanrique | anybody there? |
| 19:32.48 | pb_ | ibot, handhelds.org? |
| 19:32.48 | | [09:30 UTC] -- handhelds.org is currently down due to a routing loop at the ISP's side, should be up and running soon /\ [18:10 UTC] -- handhelds.org network is back up, services have resumed operation, except for the webserver awaiting RAM upgrade.. stay tuned for more coming up shortly .) |
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| 19:36.35 | dc__ | heh |
| 19:37.08 | pb_ | indeed. |
| 19:37.18 | dc__ | indeed, it is. |
| 19:37.21 | dc__ | hum |
| 19:37.25 | dc__ | so. |
| 19:37.34 | dc__ | I should work on this gpe-filemanager thing :] |
| 19:37.50 | pb_ | ah good plan. |
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| 20:51.31 | pb_ | hi cmarqu |
| 20:52.43 | cmarqu | Hi all. |
| 20:52.54 | cmarqu | Anything new? |
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| 20:55.08 | dc__ | :/ |
| 20:56.47 | pb_ | cmarqu: hmm, not a lot to speak of. |
| 20:57.14 | cmarqu | pb_: Any gstreamer or 39xx progress? |
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| 20:58.45 | pb_ | cmarqu: what was the last status you heard about on those two? |
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| 21:00.32 | cmarqu | pb_: gstreamer was "hard" you said :) 39xx booted, but without LCD etc. |
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| 21:00.43 | wizly | hi |
| 21:00.57 | wizly | one question, what are last ipkg.conf sources? |
| 21:01.01 | cmarqu | Hi wizly |
| 21:01.08 | dc__ | hmmm |
| 21:01.23 | pb_ | cmarqu: ah, okay. 39xx is now fully working except for audio, MMC and irda interfaces. The version of NMF in CVS is gstreamer based and seems to work, but there are no ipaq packages yet. |
| 21:01.58 | cmarqu | pb_: Cool. Both are news. |
| 21:03.00 | cmarqu | Hmm, Fresco has an M1 release. |
| 21:05.13 | wizly | what are unstable ipkg.conf sources? |
| 21:05.21 | dc__ | I fear my cpu is running very hot :/ |
| 21:06.04 | cmarqu | wizly: just replace 0.6 with unstable in the path? |
| 21:06.16 | wizly | true? thanx |
| 21:06.31 | cmarqu | At least I think so :) |
| 21:17.33 | jsmanrique | wizly: hola! |
| 21:17.49 | wizly | jsmanrique: buenas noches! |
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| 21:26.26 | pb_ | dctanner_: successful reflashing? |
| 21:28.14 | dctanner_ | ah yes :) |
| 21:28.14 | dctanner_ | now I just have to get usbnet up :/ |
| 21:28.30 | pb_ | cool. |
| 21:30.31 | dctanner_ | well. |
| 21:30.42 | dctanner_ | it's not being very cool right now :( |
| 21:30.51 | dctanner_ | I can't work it out.. |
| 21:30.51 | dctanner_ | :/ |
| 21:30.52 | pb_ | usbnet? that's never cool. |
| 21:31.00 | dctanner_ | it doesn't seem to be starting usbf |
| 21:31.33 | pb_ | ask nontoxic in #handhelds.org, he seems to be the usbnet king. |
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| 21:35.11 | pb_ | yo mallum |
| 21:35.31 | dctanner_ | hey mallum |
| 21:36.10 | mallum | hey |
| 21:36.20 | mallum | I just got mbdesktop running nice on the ipaq |
| 21:36.22 | mallum | check scap |
| 21:37.27 | pb_ | ah, very nice |
| 21:37.47 | mallum | no worrys about speed either |
| 21:37.54 | pb_ | excellent |
| 21:37.56 | mallum | loads in approx 1 sec |
| 21:41.24 | dctanner_ | mallum: wow, sweet :) |
| 21:41.32 | mallum | I have a slightly broken ipkg of it |
| 21:41.39 | mallum | which I'll attempt to improve ... |
| 21:41.56 | pb_ | mallum: heh, competing head-on with gpe-appmgr in every respect then. |
| 21:42.18 | dctanner_ | well. it certianly is. |
| 21:42.21 | dctanner_ | I must say it's pretty good. |
| 21:42.27 | dctanner_ | make sure mibus doesn't find out :] |
| 21:42.29 | pb_ | certainly looks it. |
| 21:44.02 | mallum | there is no competition |
| 21:44.03 | mallum | ;-) |
| 21:44.35 | pb_ | ha. |
| 21:44.59 | mallum | hmm, otish , but could anyone here do an nmap on my firewall ? |
| 21:45.41 | pb_ | sure, what's the address? |
| 21:45.59 | mallum | mallum.homeip.net |
| 21:51.37 | dctanner_ | bah |
| 21:55.49 | mallum | hmm, anyone know what key the middle of the ipaq's dpad is bound too ? I thought it was enter ... |
| 21:55.55 | pb_ | mallum: KP_enter |
| 21:56.15 | mallum | pb_: rather than XP_enter ? |
| 21:56.20 | pb_ | mallum: indeed |
| 21:57.05 | dc_ | arg |
| 21:57.13 | dc_ | my damn iPAQ :/ |
| 21:57.17 | pb_ | dc_: wassup? |
| 21:57.28 | dc_ | mallum: any ideas on enabling usbnet on a fresh flash? |
| 21:57.31 | pb_ | mallum: you have tcp ports 554, 80, 7070 open apparently. |
| 21:57.46 | dc_ | pb_: well, it's just not start usbnet on the iPAQ.....I think |
| 21:58.12 | pb_ | ah. |
| 21:58.20 | pb_ | you have the modules loaded, presumably. |
| 21:58.35 | dc_ | bah |
| 21:58.39 | dc_ | now it works :] |
| 21:58.41 | pb_ | heh |
| 21:58.55 | dc_ | I had to restart it in the cradle for some reson |
| 21:59.22 | dc_ | but naturaly I can't ssh in |
| 21:59.42 | dc_ | ah I know |
| 22:00.18 | mallum | pb_: really ? |
| 22:00.32 | mallum | pb_: it should only be ssh |
| 22:00.56 | mallum | pb_: can you just ssh to that box and see if you get a prompt |
| 22:01.07 | pb_ | mallum: oh, hmm, might be my stupid isp and their transparent proxies. |
| 22:01.15 | pb_ | mallum: let me run the nmap from nexus instead |
| 22:01.59 | pb_ | ssh doesn't seem to be letting me in. |
| 22:03.17 | mallum | pb_: ah one sec the dyndns is broke |
| 22:03.54 | dc_ | now, naturaly it won't connect to the iPAQ anymore |
| 22:03.59 | pb_ | ah, so I was portscanning someone else's machine? oops. |
| 22:04.26 | dc_ | hehe |
| 22:05.19 | mallum | pb_: 10.6.1.149 |
| 22:05.27 | pb_ | mallum: that's the address I had. |
| 22:05.39 | mallum | pb_: Id left the damn ddclient running on the old machine :( |
| 22:05.48 | pb_ | heh |
| 22:05.49 | mallum | pb_: have updated now |
| 22:06.10 | pb_ | I'm still getting that same address. |
| 22:06.38 | mallum | yeah me too, it should update in a mo |
| 22:07.03 | mallum | pb_: the ip is 80.193.218.32 |
| 22:07.19 | pb_ | ok scanning now |
| 22:08.21 | dc_ | hum |
| 22:08.52 | dc_ | are they any keywords in /etc/network/interfaces that might prevent ifup from loading it? |
| 22:09.03 | pb_ | not that I know of. |
| 22:09.32 | dc_ | it just seems that ifup isn't loading the usbf if |
| 22:09.49 | pb_ | can you ifconfig it up manually? |
| 22:10.14 | dc_ | arg. |
| 22:10.24 | dc_ | it says there's no such device. |
| 22:10.32 | pb_ | is the ipaq plugged in to the host? |
| 22:10.52 | dc_ | well, problem is I can't plug into usb and serial at the same time |
| 22:11.06 | pb_ | ah. well, usbnet won't let you ifconfig usbf up until the usb cable is connected. |
| 22:11.14 | dc_ | how sad. |
| 22:11.17 | dc_ | what can I do :/? |
| 22:11.24 | pb_ | hotplug ought to bring the interface up automatically when the unit is docked. |
| 22:11.33 | dc_ | I thought so. |
| 22:11.44 | dc_ | oh |
| 22:11.45 | dc_ | wait |
| 22:11.48 | mallum | pb_, dc_: I've uploaded mbdesktop ipkg to my experimental |
| 22:11.51 | pb_ | mallum: cool |
| 22:12.03 | dc_ | success! |
| 22:12.07 | pb_ | dc_: wahey |
| 22:12.15 | dc_ | pb_: your presence alone made it work |
| 22:12.16 | pb_ | dc_: what was the problem? |
| 22:12.23 | mallum | pb_: you'll have to upgrade to the latest matchbox ipkg there too |
| 22:12.31 | pb_ | mallum: ok. |
| 22:12.31 | dc_ | dunno. |
| 22:12.31 | dc_ | pb_: but it works now :} |
| 22:12.33 | pb_ | dc_: heh, oh well. |
| 22:12.56 | dc_ | oh dear, I think i'm running out of 02 in here |
| 22:13.04 | pb_ | ! |
| 22:13.27 | pb_ | dc_: sounds like the smart move. |
| 22:13.53 | dc_ | because of this damn flu I have, I can only survive when my room is heated to like 30C |
| 22:14.01 | dc_ | or it feels like I'm standing outside :[ |
| 22:14.18 | pb_ | oh, nasty. |
| 22:14.32 | pb_ | bit early in the year to be getting the flu. :-( |
| 22:14.49 | dc_ | well, our whole family have it. |
| 22:14.59 | mallum | pb_: oh yeah minivol is broke in the latest matchbox cvs ipkg |
| 22:15.13 | pb_ | mallum: I can probably struggle on with that. |
| 22:15.29 | pb_ | mallum: oh, btw, I noticed a lot of the miniapps had non-blocking event loops, is there anything we can do about that? |
| 22:15.41 | pb_ | minivol and mbmenu I think it was |
| 22:15.43 | mallum | pb_: yeah Im about to work on all that |
| 22:15.46 | pb_ | ah cool |
| 22:15.54 | mallum | pb_: Im about to overhaul all the dockapps |
| 22:15.58 | mallum | pb_: thats the next task |
| 22:16.13 | pb_ | righto |
| 22:16.38 | mallum | pb_: I really want to avoid threads if possible though |
| 22:18.18 | pb_ | right. |
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| 22:19.26 | dc__ | good old usb freeze again |
| 22:20.04 | pb_ | :-/ |
| 22:23.54 | dc__ | and now usb wont start :/ |
| 22:24.01 | dc__ | maybe there is a problem. |
| 22:24.08 | pb_ | maybe... |
| 22:27.36 | dc__ | hum |
| 22:27.46 | dc__ | I think I may be missing some hotplug stuff. |
| 22:27.59 | dc__ | well, I can't find any signs of usbnet in /etc/hotplug/* |
| 22:28.14 | dc__ | oh |
| 22:28.48 | dc__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.09 | dc__ | ah ha |
| 22:30.18 | dc__ | it works if I suspend then resume |
| 22:32.12 | pb_ | hmm |
| 22:32.45 | dc__ | ah |
| 22:32.54 | dc__ | but then as soon as I try to ssh in, it stops. |
| 22:32.59 | pb_ | hell. |
| 22:33.08 | dc__ | omg, yeah, the whole iPAQ freezes |
| 22:33.19 | dc__ | not cool |
| 22:33.24 | pb_ | I think that's what was (still is) happening to me when I try to use usb. |
| 22:33.34 | pb_ | indeed, far from cool. |
| 22:33.53 | dc__ | hm |
| 22:33.59 | dc__ | let me try my old kernel |
| 22:34.12 | pb_ | bbl, watching the shield. |
| 22:34.51 | dc__ | right |
| 22:35.41 | flypiper | mallum: I just installed 0.6.1 this morning on my 3800,, just installed mbdesktop and new matchbox in experimental.. just needed libxsettings-clients0.. to run matchbox :-) info only |
| 22:37.25 | mallum | flypiper: ah yeah |
| 22:37.35 | mallum | flypiper: better add that to the ipkg dep |
| 22:39.58 | dc__ | oh dear. |
| 22:40.17 | dc__ | how can they even produce xscale cpus will all the errors they have |
| 22:41.23 | flypiper | mallum: I'll put a pic in scap... but it's not mbdesktop:) |
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| 22:43.15 | dc__ | sleep now :/ |
| 22:44.03 | mallum | flypiper: heh |
| 22:44.40 | mallum | flypiper: you want to create /usr/share/applications |
| 22:44.50 | mallum | flypiper: and run menutodekstop ( as root ) |
| 22:45.08 | mallum | flypiper: then remove the terminal app from /usr/share/applications |
| 22:45.15 | mallum | flypiper: then launch mbdesktop |
| 22:45.29 | flypiper | sure |
| 22:45.34 | jsmanrique | wow! |
| 22:45.43 | mallum | flypiper: run 'mbdesktop_panelapp' to get a desktop 'switcher' in the dock |
| 22:45.45 | jsmanrique | those scaps in scap website where are from? |
| 22:45.59 | mallum | jsmanrique: mbdesktop |
| 22:46.31 | jsmanrique | mallum: new app? |
| 22:47.38 | jsmanrique | is it a new kind of app manager? |
| 22:49.33 | flypiper | mallum: # menutodesktop |
| 22:49.33 | flypiper | failed to open /root/.menu |
| 22:49.36 | mallum | yep |
| 22:49.44 | mallum | flypiper: yeah dont worry about that |
| 22:49.51 | flypiper | k |
| 22:49.57 | mallum | flypiper: remember to remove the terminal app fro /usr/share/applications |
| 22:50.18 | flypiper | terminal.desktop ?? |
| 22:51.28 | mallum | yeah |
| 22:52.22 | flypiper | mbdesktop_panelapp .... seems to be hanging |
| 22:52.40 | mallum | flypiper: did it not appear in your dock ? |
| 22:53.38 | flypiper | mbdesktop_panelapp & is what I needed... |
| 22:54.03 | mallum | flypiper: cool, now launch mbdesktop |
| 22:54.09 | flypiper | but it doesn't do anything from the dock bar |
| 22:54.20 | mallum | flypiper: run mbdesktop |
| 22:54.25 | flypiper | k |
| 22:54.59 | flypiper | mallum: KEWL... check this out in scap :-\ |
| 22:55.48 | flypiper | http://handhelds.org/scap/port.10663.png |
| 22:56.44 | mallum | flypiper: nice |
| 22:56.55 | mallum | flypiper: reember its still alpha quality |
| 22:56.56 | flypiper | mallum: THAT is AWESOME!!!!! |
| 22:57.13 | mallum | flypiper: it dont seem to want to launch anything at the moment ( ash wierdness ) |
| 22:57.15 | flypiper | love the desktop switcher |
| 22:57.32 | mallum | flypiper: you can switch to running apps via the tasks folder too |
| 22:57.40 | flypiper | really nice |
| 22:57.56 | mallum | flypiper: and mbdesktop -h gives you options for setting various bacgrounds |
| 22:58.01 | mallum | flypiper: glad you like it ;-) |
| 22:58.19 | flypiper | mallum: THANKS...very very nice |
| 23:02.48 | mallum | flypiper: can you just rotate your display to landscape and see if scroll buttons kick in .. |
| 23:03.01 | flypiper | sure..hang on |
| 23:03.31 | flypiper | yep works |
| 23:03.42 | mallum | flypiper: cool |
| 23:04.05 | flypiper | mallum: it appears that my switcher isn't working now tho |
| 23:04.59 | mallum | flypiper: hmm, tap it a couple of times |
| 23:05.23 | flypiper | switched back to portait.. and still won't work.. |
| 23:05.53 | mallum | flypiper: wierd... mbdesktop is still running ? |
| 23:06.00 | flypiper | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:06.00 | flypiper | [2] 589 Segmentation fault mbdesktop |
| 23:06.00 | flypiper | /usr/share/applications # |
| 23:06.14 | flypiper | I ran that again... and got a seg fault |
| 23:06.17 | mallum | ah :( |
| 23:06.49 | mallum | mbdesktop wont run at all now ? |
| 23:06.54 | flypiper | mallum that was it.. mbdesktop had died.. I restarted it and it now switches |
| 23:07.39 | flypiper | mallum: I switched to mbdesktop and rotated left... no scroll bar |
| 23:08.01 | flypiper | but if I use matchbox... I have a scroll bar |
| 23:10.23 | mallum | flypiper: yeah you'll only get scroll buttons if apps go off the screen |
| 23:10.43 | flypiper | ahhhh |
| 23:11.23 | mallum | biab ... tv. .. |
| 23:11.36 | flypiper | mallum: I will put a pic of this roatated in scap... |
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