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| 08:17.00 | ChoHag | <Linux> Oh you are copying data from one place to another? Let me make this multitasking operating system totally unreponsive while I do that for you. |
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| 08:25.28 | ChoHag | On the other hand, I've just been asked to come up with a justification for buying the licenses for the drac cards we own in the servers we own. |
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| 09:16.10 | morsing | chrisp! |
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| 10:40.10 | hali | ChoHag: that's not really linux' fault, it's your shitty SATA controller |
| 10:46.55 | ChoHag | Typical open sores response. Thanks. You sound like a mac user. |
| 10:47.01 | mindbndr | I use mac. |
| 10:47.29 | mindbender | apart from the keyboard layout, it's pretty cool |
| 10:47.37 | mindbender | why did I use linux all these years??? |
| 10:48.05 | ChoHag | Why is linux so shitty that it can't cope with the complex task of moving data over a moderately decent sata controller? |
| 10:48.22 | mindbender | it's not linux's fault |
| 10:48.28 | ChoHag | Windows can manage just fine. |
| 10:48.29 | mindbender | it's your shitty sata controller |
| 10:49.01 | mindbender | if we say this 40 times, it'll become real and your sata controller is going to be shitty. |
| 10:49.10 | ChoHag | Is it the shitty sata controller's fault that Microsoft programmers are better? |
| 10:49.18 | mindbender | MS programmers are not only better |
| 10:49.22 | mindbender | but they are also ACE |
| 10:49.35 | mindbender | because they get paid for it is my thinking |
| 10:49.53 | mindbender | but macosx devs are even better by the looks of it |
| 10:50.03 | mindbender | using a mac in the last 2 weeks, i simply love it |
| 10:50.10 | ChoHag | Everyone says that. |
| 10:50.10 | mindbender | sends his prays for SteveJ |
| 10:50.36 | mindbender | why did I keep up with gnome all these years? |
| 10:50.44 | mindbender | could have simply used macosx |
| 10:50.56 | ChoHag | I don't know. Why did you? Gnome is shit. |
| 10:50.57 | mindbender | i'm hating the keyboard tho |
| 10:50.59 | ChoHag | Comically bad. |
| 10:51.11 | mindbender | kde reminds me of windows which makes me think |
| 10:51.12 | hali | i use vtwm |
| 10:51.13 | ChoHag | It's like no matter how much they try, Linux users just want windows 98. |
| 10:51.16 | ChoHag | SE. |
| 10:51.31 | ChoHag | But in gnome, they don't want it to *look* like Windows. |
| 10:51.32 | mindbender | that I should use windows, why use linux if you're going to use kde, go use windows. |
| 10:51.59 | ChoHag | "why use linux if you're going to use kde" thank you you can stop niow. |
| 10:52.05 | mindbender | well, I use windows at home |
| 10:52.06 | ChoHag | computer != gui |
| 10:52.16 | mindbender | kde = windows for me |
| 10:52.23 | mindbender | kde is as bad as windows 98 |
| 10:52.43 | ChoHag | Yes never mind that there's an entire operating system down there, just concentrate on the paint job. |
| 10:52.51 | mindbender | i'm sure it'd be the gui for my dad if he thought about a computer |
| 10:53.10 | mindbender | people don't use a computer for the sake of using an OS |
| 10:53.15 | ChoHag | Since that's what everyone writing these crappy UIs seems to do, you're in good company. |
| 10:53.23 | ChoHag | Yes they do. |
| 10:53.29 | ChoHag | The UI is what helps them use it. |
| 10:53.30 | mindbender | no, they use it for the gui |
| 10:53.35 | mindbender | like angry birds |
| 10:53.46 | mindbender | otherwise they'd be playing gorilla.bas on DOS |
| 10:53.58 | ChoHag | "Drivers don't use a car for the engine! They use it for the steering wheel and the comfy seats." |
| 10:53.59 | mindbender | now they play angry birds on 550 quid ipads |
| 10:54.03 | mindbender | and iphones |
| 10:54.28 | mindbender | i'm not paying for that shit |
| 10:54.36 | mindbender | i'd rather go back to DOS and play gorilla.bas |
| 10:54.47 | ChoHag | Yes. |
| 10:54.51 | mindbender | besides it requires more thinking |
| 10:54.52 | ChoHag | That's more or less what I did. |
| 10:54.54 | mindbender | to get the angles right. |
| 10:55.04 | ChoHag | Abandoned GUIs for about 5/10 years now. |
| 10:55.10 | mindbender | nowadays they charge people for installing tetris.. |
| 10:55.13 | mindbender | who pays for that shit? |
| 10:55.33 | ChoHag | People who've spent the last n decades not educating themselves. |
| 10:56.01 | ChoHag | What posessed xpay to use port 6666 for communication? |
| 10:56.55 | mindbender | never even heard of xpay |
| 10:57.13 | ChoHag | Some java website payment processing software. |
| 10:57.26 | ChoHag | Listens on localhost:5000, talks to the world on 80 and 6666 |
| 10:58.03 | ChoHag | There is no clear indication what the latter should be restricted to, and the description for port 6666 can easily be misinterpreted to imply that the application must listen to the world on port 6666. |
| 10:58.14 | ChoHag | At least I hope that's a misinterpretation. |
| 10:58.19 | mindbender | yeah 6666 sounds like an IRC port to me. |
| 10:58.24 | ChoHag | It is. |
| 10:58.34 | mindbender | they probably think that |
| 10:58.39 | mindbender | IRC doesn't exist anymore |
| 10:58.41 | ChoHag | Commonly used by, say, botnets. |
| 10:59.02 | mindbender | maybe all this is your imagination |
| 10:59.11 | mindbender | and the people have moved on to xpay instead of using IRC. |
| 11:01.09 | mindbender | right, work time. |
| 11:07.49 | ChoHag | How can I under the common vim pattern: long-irreproducable-typing ESC ... i-but-fat-finger-u-first type type type ESC fuck that essay has gone. |
| 11:07.57 | ChoHag | s/under/undo/ |
| 11:10.15 | hali | ChoHag: if you check xpay docs they state exactly what you need to open in the firewalls to allow xpay traffic, |
| 11:10.41 | hali | ChoHag: it's just a couple of destination ip ranges on port 6666 |
| 11:11.41 | ChoHag | Not in the docs I have. |
| 11:11.56 | ChoHag | Maybe you're not looking at the ancient docs for the ancient version I need to use. |
| 11:11.59 | hali | st2k? |
| 11:12.09 | ChoHag | 3.51 |
| 11:12.16 | hali | http://www.securetrading.com/support/st2k/frequently-asked-questions |
| 11:12.44 | hali | xpay.securetrading.net returns a load of addresses though |
| 11:12.57 | ChoHag | Also that document is not clear, it's vague. |
| 11:13.05 | ChoHag | And incomplete. |
| 11:13.33 | ChoHag | Doesn't mention listening on localhost:5000 and doesn't mention its outgoing connections to <something>:80 |
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| 12:15.49 | dick_turpin | morsing: Are you smearing lard over your moobs? |
| 12:23.40 | morsing | dick_turpin: No |
| 12:23.42 | morsing | popey! |
| 12:24.24 | dick_turpin | morsing: You should put something on your nipples, this sun is no good for them you know? |
| 12:45.56 | hali | ChoHag: im quite surprised it allows connections over port 80 to be honest, suggests there is no ssl used for those... should be 443 |
| 12:46.06 | hali | ChoHag: the PCI:DSS nerds will not be pleased |
| 12:46.51 | hali | obveiously PCI:DSS is pointless and written by a clueless pencil pusher |
| 12:50.15 | morsing | hali: PCI:DSS isn't actually that pointless. When I was a Virgin Media is certainly raised security very significantly compared to what it was before, so you can see why the card companies push it |
| 12:53.59 | morsing | Funnily enough, the PCI security requirements on Linux was way below what it was on AIX, because of Linux' limited capabilities |
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| 12:55.27 | morsing | popey! |
| 12:57.00 | popey | morsing! |
| 13:11.07 | hali | morsing: LOL |
| 13:11.38 | hali | very surprised they even had recommendations for AIX |
| 13:13.59 | ChoHag | hali: Port 80 is for downloading (signed) updates. |
| 13:14.02 | ChoHag | So no ssl needed. |
| 13:14.57 | ChoHag | morsing: I suspect for the most part it's not because of linux' limits, but because of Linux administrators' limits. |
| 13:15.48 | ChoHag | And the fact that that wet paper towel of a document raised security anyway is of far more concern/interest than which has stronger protections than what. |
| 13:22.37 | morsing | ChoHag: No, it isn't. Where Linux had limited functionality, such as no proper auditing or lack of user account features (such as forced password change and more), PCI was very lenient. The correct thing to do would obviously be to drop Linux but PCI can't really force people to do that so had to accept lower security |
| 13:23.00 | ChoHag | morsing: "for the most part" |
| 13:24.51 | hali | indeed, lack of admin skillset |
| 13:24.52 | ChoHag | The ubiquity of Linux will by its nature result in a wider pool of lower competence. |
| 13:30.51 | morsing | That woud indeed explain the lack of features from the "development team" |
| 13:31.02 | ChoHag | Hah! |
| 13:31.34 | morsing | dick_turpin: Are you comnig to my housewarming BBQ? |
| 13:31.42 | morsing | comming |
| 13:31.46 | morsing | Darn it |
| 14:12.11 | dick_turpin | morsing: Will you have Yak burgers? |
| 14:14.29 | morsing | No, just horse and beef |
| 15:01.05 | gregj | proper then |
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