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09:37.32 | ChoHag | Oh for god's sake. |
09:37.56 | ChoHag | Can we find anybody who's ever written a web browser and shoot them? |
09:38.35 | yaMatt | what is it this time? |
09:38.44 | ChoHag | Fucking chrome store. |
09:39.29 | ChoHag | "You must go to this place and find a button which is not there, even though in order to display this message I know exactly what you are trying to do, we are google and you will see ads first." |
09:42.24 | ChoHag | Can't any of them just browse the web and get out of the fucking way? |
09:42.36 | ChoHag | I mean honestly. Fuck Off With Your Shit. |
09:43.25 | yaMatt | usability is something I belive Google has been seriously over-looking for the last 2 years |
09:45.07 | yaMatt | problem is. How do you report a bug like that? I reported one once for chromium where in some situations you couldn't use the keyboard for a drop down list |
09:45.32 | yaMatt | and it got closed after 6 months because it was 3 versions old |
09:48.54 | ChoHag | Every response from Google to the various usability bugs I've encountered has been met like an Appletard. |
09:49.02 | ChoHag | "It's better this way." |
09:50.19 | ChoHag | "There's a bit invisible button which appears to lose all your bookmarks." |
09:50.33 | ChoHag | "Ah but that switches to another thing which lets us show you ads. You'll like it!" |
09:50.41 | ChoHag | s/bit/big/ |
10:13.25 | yaMatt | "For more information about using string resources to localize your app for other languages, see the Supporting Different Devices class." |
10:13.43 | yaMatt | yes because that is clearly where Languages should go |
10:36.41 | ChoHag | sighs |
10:36.47 | ChoHag | ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) |
10:36.58 | ChoHag | => slap_access_allowed: auth access granted by auth(=xd) |
10:40.07 | yaMatt | heheh |
10:40.15 | yaMatt | invalid error |
10:42.10 | ChoHag | -v Run in verbose mode, with many diagnostics written to standard output. |
10:42.21 | ChoHag | I think their definition of 'many' and mind are not the same. |
10:42.37 | ChoHag | Adding -v changed this: |
10:42.43 | ChoHag | Enter LDAP Password: |
10:42.43 | ChoHag | ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) |
10:42.46 | ChoHag | To this: |
10:42.53 | ChoHag | ldap_initialize( ldap://localhost ) |
10:42.55 | ChoHag | Enter LDAP Password: |
10:42.55 | ChoHag | ldap_bind: Invalid credentials (49) |
10:43.06 | ChoHag | HOLY FUCK NOW I CAN SEE WHAT'S WRONG! |
10:45.08 | yaMatt | heheh |
10:55.01 | z00dax | there did... |
10:55.39 | yaMatt | z00dax, huh? |
10:56.16 | z00dax | oops :) |
11:03.52 | yaMatt | I want to know now! :) |
11:04.03 | yaMatt | what did you do? |
11:04.40 | z00dax | lost a short network cable |
11:04.48 | z00dax | now i need to find a mini gbic -> rj45 interface :/ |
11:06.03 | yaMatt | second hand server rails are looking like their going to be more expensive than the second hand servers |
11:06.36 | yaMatt | bit of metal with holes in it. They're not that hard to build |
11:07.35 | AndyMillar | why would you buy second hand servers? |
11:07.47 | z00dax | new machines are expensive! |
11:07.56 | AndyMillar | old machines are power inefficient |
11:08.14 | AndyMillar | (and new machines aren't expensive) |
11:08.43 | z00dax | in my case, i need 2 machines to use as a development cloud instance |
11:08.59 | z00dax | getting 2 laptops from ebay are far more practical than 2 R715 :) |
11:09.33 | AndyMillar | heh, buying a couple of supermicro servers are still pretty cheap |
11:10.16 | AndyMillar | they're at the throw-away money level |
11:13.31 | ChoHag | Probably they've been thrown away. |
11:15.22 | ChoHag | What is required in an ldap entry for it to be used in a bind? |
11:27.55 | ChoHag | Never mind. |
11:28.17 | ChoHag | Something, probably the bit that's written in PHP, was choking because my password uses spaces. |
11:28.34 | ChoHag | I don't even want to think about that so I'm going to lunch. |
11:31.18 | z00dax | AndyMillar: what do you classify as throw-awa... i need 2 physcially different machines, with hvm capabilities 2 cores atleast, 4gb of ram and 100+gb of disk |
11:32.24 | AndyMillar | you could trivially do that for about 350 a pop |
11:37.23 | z00dax | i can get an i5/4gb laptop for 350 a pop :) |
11:37.36 | z00dax | or i can get i3 based second hand laptops for 150 or so each |
11:42.13 | yaMatt | AndyMillar, I would say £40 vs £400 quite efficient |
11:42.19 | yaMatt | is* |
11:43.11 | z00dax | bt, £350 for a proper server grade machine rackable is rather enticing |
11:43.15 | z00dax | s/bt/but/ |
11:43.24 | z00dax | ibot: well done |
11:43.24 | ibot | ACTION takes the torch from z00dax and passes it to zeroXten |
11:43.27 | AndyMillar | quite :-p |
11:43.32 | yaMatt | but that is the minimum |
11:43.41 | AndyMillar | yaMatt: how power efficient are they? |
11:43.46 | yaMatt | meh |
11:44.20 | z00dax | i can say this - a dual supply dell pe 1850 + a dl360 g4, replaced by a single dell R710 |
11:44.24 | AndyMillar | my DL140 costs ~140/month to run in power... but they're cheap to buy, right? ;) |
11:44.34 | z00dax | got me like 4 times more capacity, much more ram and disk - and half the electric |
11:44.41 | yaMatt | so 3 years and i've broken even |
11:44.50 | z00dax | went from 2.1A to 1.1a of usage |
11:45.08 | z00dax | AndyMillar: wow, 140 a month ?? |
11:45.14 | AndyMillar | z00dax: 1.2A power ;() |
11:45.38 | yaMatt | yeah. wait. a month? is it a bloody kettle? |
11:45.42 | AndyMillar | yaMatt: it's about 6 months ROI |
11:45.55 | AndyMillar | to replace it with something like a R210 |
11:48.54 | yaMatt | AndyMillar, I think your electricty supply has a leak :) |
11:49.23 | AndyMillar | yaMatt: nope :-p |
11:51.40 | yaMatt | London Hack Space has a whole bunch of old servers switches, a lazer cutter, tools, everyone plugging their laptops in, their monthly electricty bill is £300pm |
11:51.44 | yaMatt | http://londonhackspace.github.com/propaganda/posters/cost-of-hacking/ |
11:52.07 | AndyMillar | yaMatt: I run a colo company - this is in an actual rack in a datacenter :-p |
11:52.47 | yaMatt | but just cannot account for the 2 figures |
11:52.53 | AndyMillar | which ones? |
11:53.29 | yaMatt | that it costs you for one server half of what the entire LHS uses |
11:54.46 | AndyMillar | http://www.goscomb.net/hosting/colocation |
11:55.03 | AndyMillar | there you go, 0.5A is 108/month |
11:55.21 | AndyMillar | so, if I colo'd with goscomb, it'd cost me about 220/month |
11:55.30 | AndyMillar | (welcome to the colo market :-)) |
11:55.49 | yaMatt | ah, I see so for that you get internet, and AC and IPs and all sorts |
11:56.19 | yaMatt | essentially you're paying per amp which means you do need to worry about power consumption |
11:56.39 | yaMatt | it's important to get more power for less amps |
11:56.59 | AndyMillar | yes, though the main driving factor in colo costs is power |
11:57.11 | yaMatt | certainly |
11:57.41 | yaMatt | some of the colo I'd seen in the US was down to 30USD per month |
11:58.00 | yaMatt | I guess space is more of a premium here |
11:58.14 | AndyMillar | s/space/power/ |
11:58.48 | yaMatt | electricity is more expensive here? |
11:59.32 | z00dax | woah |
11:59.35 | AndyMillar | no idea, but space isn't an issue (the limit in the suite I'm in now, for example, is 72KVA and there's no way to actually fill the space) |
11:59.43 | z00dax | comapring US and UK electric prices isnt even worth doing |
11:59.55 | z00dax | most people in the US actually dont sell electric at all |
12:00.23 | z00dax | talking to USPw and their San Jose facility - i asked how much power do we get per rack and they were like 'dunno dude, you use whatever you use' |
12:03.32 | yaMatt | heheh |
12:05.33 | yaMatt | so £405 ex. VAT for the same amount of memory but a newer machine |
12:05.59 | yaMatt | call it £450 |
12:06.01 | AndyMillar | 7~/win 24 |
12:07.17 | hali | or you can get an ovh kimsufi box for 35 quid a month :-) |
12:08.08 | yaMatt | well if you're going Atom why not ARM? |
12:08.09 | AndyMillar | hali: but then you don't own your data :) |
12:10.36 | hali | neither do you in the uk |
12:10.47 | hali | but i guess you can deny having it |
12:11.00 | hali | i have nothing to hide though, so im not bothered with the frenchies sniffing around |
12:20.28 | AndyMillar | I don't like not owning the disks my data i son |
12:20.30 | AndyMillar | is on&* |
12:22.54 | yaMatt | that's the cost trade-off I guess |
13:08.10 | yaMatt | anyone have any suggestions about getting rid of working but sort of old computers? |
13:08.39 | yaMatt | like I have a 3 year old desktop that was cheap so it's kind of underpowered, but it's new enough that it would be useable by someone |
13:08.47 | yaMatt | even if it's giving it to an old peoples home |
13:08.52 | yaMatt | or something |
13:18.55 | ChoHag | "Well fuck this Ubuntu shit, let's try another one .... Fedora." |
13:19.06 | ChoHag | Install CD crashes on boot. |
13:20.19 | yaMatt | hahah |
13:20.28 | yaMatt | you never have much luck with these things |
13:24.43 | ChoHag | Computers hate me. |
13:24.50 | ChoHag | Why do I keep coming back? |
13:44.17 | yaMatt | sucker for punishment |
14:02.55 | AndyMillar | ChoHag: just use RHEL and be done with it |
14:03.08 | ChoHag | On a desktop? |
14:03.37 | ChoHag | I need a VM to run all the shit I don't want to contaminate my main system with. |
14:03.45 | ChoHag | Things that need Gnome and all that bollocks. |
14:04.02 | AndyMillar | I use RHEL on my desktops |
14:36.14 | yaMatt | how does that work with the subscriptions? |
14:36.24 | yaMatt | do they give you a desktop rate? |
14:36.41 | AndyMillar | yes |
14:36.49 | AndyMillar | it's something silly like $49/year per machine |
14:50.01 | yaMatt | that's pretty reasonable |
14:54.09 | AndyMillar | indeed |
14:54.20 | ChoHag | Is it worth it? |
14:54.29 | ChoHag | What does 50 dollars get you that centos doesn't? |
14:54.40 | hali | oracle linux, free too... and patches on time |
14:54.55 | AndyMillar | no idea |
14:55.38 | hali | the only thing the 49 usd gives us is possibly consistency across machines |
15:03.33 | yaMatt | some level of support too I hope |
15:04.00 | AndyMillar | for $49? I'd hope not |
15:04.42 | yaMatt | well if you had 100 machines that's not an unreasonable amount of money for support |
15:04.51 | yaMatt | doesn't look like there is any though |
15:10.40 | ChoHag | Well I don't know what it's doing, but the time field of the master udev process is 21133334:39 |
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