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| 06:15.29 | morsing | 'morning |
| 06:17.13 | Leeds | hello |
| 06:26.06 | morsing | How do I write £ in Latex? |
| 06:28.51 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 06:29.44 | morsing | \pounds |
| 06:30.25 | Leeds | I haven't written any latex in about 9 years |
| 06:31.55 | morsing | Nice |
| 06:32.00 | morsing | Good for you |
| 06:32.30 | Leeds | and now, since my phone is charged, I'm going out... have a nice day |
| 06:33.03 | morsing | Moo |
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| 07:18.03 | morsing | SlayerXP! |
| 07:18.09 | SlayerXP | morning |
| 07:19.07 | morsing | SlayerXP: Are you having fun? |
| 07:19.20 | SlayerXP | should I be? |
| 07:19.54 | morsing | Yes - having fun is important |
| 07:20.24 | SlayerXP | well, apart from the hangover, yes, I probably am |
| 07:25.29 | morsing | SlayerXP: You coming for a drink tonight? |
| 07:25.40 | SlayerXP | i'm on call, sorry |
| 07:25.52 | SlayerXP | no drinkies |
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| 07:26.46 | morsing | deep-blue! |
| 07:32.59 | deep-blue | ola |
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| 08:10.02 | serris | hi morsing |
| 08:18.00 | sabinef72 | morning ! |
| 08:20.25 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 08:20.31 | morsing | serris! |
| 08:20.37 | serris | hi sabinef72 : ) |
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| 08:53.48 | morsing | To encourage you all to take part we are now suggesting a charge of £5 for those taking part and £10 for those not. |
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| 08:59.04 | skugg | bah. |
| 08:59.19 | skugg | I'm going to take my /part then. |
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| 09:09.14 | trousers_laptop | 'Ning |
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| 09:51.40 | popey | morning all |
| 10:02.23 | rhowe | Hey, cool! http://www.yawarra.com.au/hw-cases.php#net4801 |
| 10:02.30 | rhowe | Decent cases for the Soekris |
| 10:03.44 | merlinn | they're quite expensive |
| 10:06.30 | murb | i'd be happy with a decent powe rsupply. |
| 10:06.37 | murb | the one i have is good at killing DSL lines. |
| 10:08.53 | morsing | rhowe: Cominng tonight? |
| 10:09.11 | rhowe | morsing: To the maddog thing? |
| 10:09.17 | rhowe | morsing: Hmm.. quite possibly |
| 10:09.33 | rhowe | murb: The Soekris PSU? |
| 10:09.45 | trousers_laptop | Mor{n,s}ing |
| 10:09.50 | murb | rhowe: yep |
| 10:10.14 | morsing | Nice |
| 10:10.19 | rhowe | murb: I've had a dodgy one too - it only occasionally booted the Soekris |
| 10:10.23 | murb | or atleast the brick that came with mine from k[0-9][0-9].[:whatever:] |
| 10:10.30 | rhowe | murb: The .be folks |
| 10:10.34 | murb | yep |
| 10:10.48 | rhowe | murb: I bought a couple from him at FOSDEM 2 years ago IIRC |
| 10:11.04 | rhowe | murb: Can't remember if the dodgy PSU was from one of those or the one I got from the US |
| 10:11.07 | murb | I have one that was at a client site servering a s a firewall |
| 10:11.31 | murb | but they blamed it for killing their DSL. |
| 10:11.38 | murb | so i had to install a replacement. |
| 10:11.43 | rhowe | ibot change 220 aud to gbp |
| 10:13.31 | antiphase | Bonza |
| 10:14.43 | rhowe | merlinn: Hm.. the cases don't look too badly priced actually |
| 10:15.03 | rhowe | merlinn: I'm not sure what the chances of Soekris maintaining their form factor are though |
| 10:15.24 | merlinn | they tend to get smaller than larger |
| 10:15.43 | merlinn | but I'd say those cases are quite expensive when you compare them to appliance PCs you can buy |
| 10:15.46 | merlinn | white box |
| 10:15.49 | morsing | Check it! |
| 10:18.26 | rhowe | merlinn: You mean like the mini ITX PCs and the things designed for Windows MCE? |
| 10:19.04 | morsing | Beer |
| 10:20.12 | merlinn | yeah |
| 10:20.22 | merlinn | the little flash disk based thingies |
| 10:20.47 | goibhniu | hmmm ... what are the chances I brought down my network by running ethereal/wireshark? I just hit the capture button and the firewall and internet connection died :( |
| 10:20.58 | goibhniu | coincidence? |
| 10:26.53 | antiphase | Depends why you were using it. It may have been karma |
| 10:29.08 | goibhniu | the thing is the network was being a bit sluggish so I thought I'd fire it up and see what was happening, but I don't know much about it so I freaked out when everything fell over |
| 10:29.33 | goibhniu | I was just explaining to a guy in the office how it could be used for sniffing credit card details etc |
| 10:29.45 | goibhniu | there were major reprocussions |
| 10:30.04 | goibhniu | vpn went down, intranet, cms etc |
| 10:30.06 | antiphase | Being a cracker automatically makes you a massive cock, obviously ;) |
| 10:30.21 | goibhniu | of course I wasn't sniffing anything |
| 10:30.32 | goibhniu | I was just trying to explain what it does |
| 10:30.36 | Leeds | "Sniffing Ethernet for Fun and Profit" |
| 10:30.49 | Leeds | also, good evening all |
| 10:30.50 | goibhniu | I was hoping to see the requests bouncing off a sickly dns server or something |
| 10:30.59 | goibhniu | evenin Leeds |
| 10:34.04 | goibhniu | I wonder if there is any conceivable way that it could have had an effect, is it even possible to detect if it's running on a network? It's time to look for a job stacking shelves if there is |
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| 10:34.17 | Leeds | shouldn't be |
| 10:34.23 | morsing | wetelectric! |
| 10:34.27 | wetelectric | hello! |
| 10:34.42 | Leeds | evening wetelectric... |
| 10:34.46 | wetelectric | I went to the linuxexpo yesterday and I thought i'd say hello |
| 10:34.50 | antiphase | How are the estates on the Riviera these days? |
| 10:35.01 | Leeds | antiphase: demonic, apparently |
| 10:35.11 | antiphase | :O |
| 10:35.53 | Leeds | wetelectric: so, apart from the expo, how has your week been? |
| 10:36.04 | Erwin | goibhniu: It might be that the "promiscous" wire of the Ethernet cable was connected directly to the power. They sometimes wire them that way in high-security installations. Then as soon as you start packet sniffing, current courses through all of the network, destroying network cards. |
| 10:37.00 | goibhniu | Erwin: shite! any idea where I could read up on this? |
| 10:37.15 | goibhniu | I couldn't find anything on the wireshark site |
| 10:38.28 | goibhniu | ahh promiscuous sniffing gets lots of interesting stuff |
| 10:38.33 | goibhniu | feck |
| 10:39.43 | wetelectric | although right now im being forced to work...at work |
| 10:39.46 | wetelectric | shsocking |
| 10:39.52 | wetelectric | *shocking |
| 10:44.05 | Leeds | today's examples of great English: an English language teaching centre advertising itself as "Britich owned"... a shop proudly advertising its name as "Golden Toilet"... and a bakery with a sign saying "Beware ambustion" on the hot plate |
| 10:45.14 | Leeds | although I now discover that 'ambustion' apparently does mean 'a burn or scald' - it's certainly not commonplace English :-) |
| 10:46.13 | Leeds | Webster's from 1913 describes it as obselete... |
| 10:47.02 | murb | wbesters was an evil unauthorised fork of the englisch language. |
| 10:49.07 | Leeds | the point is that if it was obselete in 1913, and I, having a reasonably extensive vocabulary, don't recall ever being aware of the word before, it's fair to say it's very obselete now |
| 10:49.36 | Leeds | so to come across it in a little bakery in a nice - but very very quiet - shopping centre in Hong Kong is interesting |
| 10:50.26 | murb | Leeds: it might not be obselete in .hk |
| 10:50.30 | morsing | How much should I expect to pay to have a drain cleared? |
| 10:50.44 | murb | 3 fingers and a toe. |
| 10:50.50 | Leeds | murb: trust me, it is |
| 10:54.25 | morsing | So, more than £200? |
| 10:54.57 | Leeds | morsing: call dynarod and ask them |
| 10:55.03 | Leeds | dynorod? |
| 10:57.01 | antiphase | A tub of caustic soda only costs a few quid |
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| 10:59.53 | deepblue-pda | afternoon gents & ladies |
| 11:01.10 | deepblue-pda | or not, as the case may be |
| 11:01.20 | antiphase | It is now |
| 11:02.32 | Leeds | okay... |
| 11:09.50 | Leeds | keithlard_: sending over infrared from a Palm? |
| 11:10.09 | keithlard_ | nope :D |
| 11:10.13 | keithlard_ | just cheery |
| 11:10.18 | Leeds | good! why? |
| 11:11.37 | goibhniu | Erwin: I can't really find anything relating to a "promiscuous wire", I'm reluctant to include it in a report without any sources ... any tips? |
| 11:12.14 | antiphase | It's often difficult to discover information about non-existent entities |
| 11:13.13 | goibhniu | well google got me to a couple of lesbian sites but I couldn't find anything about ethernet cables there :( |
| 11:13.37 | goibhniu | ok, so there's no such thing |
| 11:13.52 | antiphase | wtf is a promiscuous wire supposed to be anyway? |
| 11:14.14 | goibhniu | it sounded very impressive when Erwin said it |
| 11:14.52 | antiphase | Ah, I just saw that. It's nonsense ;) |
| 11:16.05 | goibhniu | but I guess it is possible that setting an ethernet card to promiscuous mode would be a network policy violation? |
| 11:16.35 | Leeds | antiphase: it's the pin you set high to tell all the other switches on the network to please send you everyone's traffic |
| 11:17.11 | goibhniu | drat, now I'm convinced again |
| 11:19.48 | antiphase | pmsl |
| 11:21.21 | Leeds | pmsl? |
| 11:22.40 | goibhniu | is there really a wire dedicated to setting promiscuous mode? |
| 11:23.14 | Leeds | I cannot answer that question... |
| 11:24.14 | Leeds | ... not with a straight face, anyway |
| 11:25.35 | goibhniu | hehe ... ok, I'm a fool |
| 11:26.04 | keithlard_ | in my day you had to make and deploy an etherkiller before you were initiated into the official mysteries of network admin |
| 11:28.41 | goibhniu | they still haven't got the network back up ... so the thought of a power surge destroying all the network cards really had me going |
| 12:08.02 | eyore | joy |
| 12:08.19 | eyore | our office ISP got brought by talktalk |
| 12:08.54 | eyore | currently I have 20% packet loss to the exchange and an average 4 second latency |
| 12:09.09 | SlayerXP | eye69: <nelson> HAH HA </nelson> |
| 12:09.19 | SlayerXP | err eyore even |
| 12:09.38 | eyore | heh thanks |
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| 12:45.33 | morsing | Jasperw! |
| 13:19.12 | rhowe | eyore: haha |
| 13:19.27 | eyore | belated, bu thanks :) |
| 13:19.54 | eyore | or perhaps the the 1 hour delay was my latency again |
| 13:20.02 | rhowe | eyore: heh |
| 13:20.09 | rhowe | eyore: Who was your ISP, OOI? |
| 13:20.21 | rhowe | onetel? |
| 13:20.40 | eyore | yes |
| 13:20.46 | eyore | onetel |
| 13:20.50 | rhowe | Christ, their website's slow to load |
| 13:20.54 | eyore | not my choice, shared office |
| 13:21.06 | rhowe | ROFL, and their front page asks you to log in. Genuious |
| 13:21.24 | rhowe | 14:20 <@DaMuppet> cpw got onetel ages ago |
| 13:21.24 | rhowe | 14:21 <@DaMuppet> smack him for not moving b4 |
| 13:21.40 | eyore | not my choice |
| 13:22.00 | eyore | my home isp bulldog was also brought |
| 13:22.05 | rhowe | *nod* |
| 13:22.15 | eyore | when i'm earning again i'm going to buy something resonable again like zen |
| 13:23.36 | rhowe | UKFSN? |
| 13:23.45 | eyore | huh? |
| 13:23.53 | rhowe | http://www.ukfsn.org/ |
| 13:25.35 | eyore | looks interesting, though zen were very good |
| 13:25.44 | morsing | ping moz |
| 13:34.25 | wethrin | Blackcat! |
| 13:34.55 | wethrin | People have been having problems with ukfsn |
| 13:35.02 | wethrin | And BCN gives IPv6 |
| 13:35.29 | murb | if you want the bbc multicast foo choose an isp that is taking part in the trials. |
| 13:35.37 | wethrin | murb: Such as? |
| 13:36.14 | murb | see http://support.bbc.co.uk/multicast/ |
| 13:38.34 | eyore | zen is on the trial |
| 13:39.34 | morsing | wethri! |
| 13:39.46 | wethrin | Oh, cool, Hotchili is on the trial |
| 13:39.53 | wethrin | So I can use my (parents') home DSL |
| 13:40.12 | wethrin | And JANET, so I can do it from work |
| 13:40.33 | murb | wethrin: well that might require your janetmember to also cooperate. |
| 13:40.41 | murb | and maybe they would then require tv licenses. |
| 13:40.51 | murb | (yes this is all just a poly for extending the tv licnse to computers) |
| 13:40.58 | murb | s/poly/ploy/ |
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| 13:41.39 | wethrin | I have a TV licence |
| 13:42.11 | murb | does your university? |
| 13:42.30 | murb | wethrin: does your colocated server/ |
| 13:42.38 | wethrin | Yes, the University does |
| 13:42.53 | wethrin | My colo server should be covered by my licence. Anyway, I can't view videos on it |
| 13:43.05 | wethrin | Like a caravan would be covered by your home licence |
| 13:43.07 | boudiccas | anybody here a moinmoin guru please? I need some advice re configuration. |
| 13:43.22 | murb | wethrin: in germany from the 1st of Jan it might well be covered :( |
| 13:43.42 | wethrin | Do you have TV licencing in Germany? |
| 13:43.53 | wethrin | murb: You coming to Dusseldorf in December? |
| 13:44.11 | murb | wethrin: certainly not. |
| 13:46.14 | wethrin | Bah |
| 13:46.46 | murb | i already regretted going to koeln before. |
| 13:47.13 | wethrin | why? |
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| 13:56.27 | morsing | danip! |
| 13:56.49 | danip | hi morsing |
| 13:57.02 | danip | how's it going? |
| 14:00.20 | morsing | danip: Not the best... |
| 14:00.39 | danip | what happens? It's friday! |
| 14:04.28 | danip | anyone knows a nice place to visit on docklands? |
| 14:12.53 | eyore | lol |
| 14:12.53 | eyore | no |
| 14:15.56 | danip | :) |
| 14:18.11 | mozrat | guys, did my last mail to the mailing list re expo and maddog get through? |
| 14:18.46 | boudiccas | mozrat; did you get todays 'Stress Busters'? |
| 14:19.23 | Leeds | mozrat: last message I see from you was yesterday |
| 14:19.35 | mozrat | yep :-) |
| 14:19.46 | boudiccas | mozrat; I haven't caught up with my backlog of emails yet, but I saw your most recent blog posting on 'Planet GLLUG' |
| 14:19.51 | morsing | mozrat: How's it? |
| 14:19.59 | boudiccas | mozrat; ty :) |
| 14:22.37 | mozrat | morsing, good.... driving.... at red lights |
| 14:22.51 | mozrat | hmm, where did that message go then? |
| 14:23.09 | Leeds | mozrat: south for the winter? |
| 14:24.38 | mozrat | must be |
| 14:26.17 | mozrat | Leeds, can you change topic pls. next event 11th November |
| 14:26.43 | *** mode/#gllug [+o mozrat] by ChanServ |
| 14:29.15 | Leeds | anyone who is bored should join #trivia |
| 14:29.31 | mozrat | Leeds, I'll have to do it later... i'm on my blackberry atm |
| 14:29.45 | Leeds | no worries |
| 14:35.01 | morsing | Mozzie? |
| 14:36.20 | mozrat | yo! |
| 14:37.43 | morsing | There are no open or pending problems in the log. |
| 14:43.34 | boudiccas | now this is useful for all those who love moleskines ... http://www.robhinchcliffe.co.uk/2006/10/stationery_porn_moleskine_city.html |
| 14:50.03 | morsing | mozrat: Probably won't be able to make tonight :( |
| 14:50.22 | popey | mozrat! |
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| 15:07.58 | mozrat | morsing, no - you must come |
| 15:08.07 | mozrat | hey popey!! |
| 15:09.10 | wethrin | foo |
| 15:10.05 | mozrat | wethrin |
| 15:10.51 | wethrin | mozzie! |
| 15:12.05 | morsing | mozrat: Blame Cope |
| 15:12.34 | mozrat | why? |
| 15:13.18 | Erwin | "Bobby", the Estevez movie about Robert Kennedy's assassination was quite good. It's amazing to listen to one of his speeches and compare with the political discourse these days. |
| 15:22.05 | Leeds | Erwin: you really got to goibhniu before :-) |
| 15:24.37 | morsing | mozrat: Because he kicked up a fuss today which is why I'm still at work... |
| 15:25.19 | goibhniu | absolutely :D ... I could never force myself to learn about networking before because it seemed so boring ... at least now I know there isn't a "promiscuous wire" ... which is something I guess |
| 15:26.54 | Erwin | Hehe. well, there are actually methods to detect whether a card is in promiscous mode, though it's not likely to bring down the network, unless your OS is extremely bad. |
| 15:27.21 | goibhniu | well I did run it from XP so who knows |
| 15:29.10 | keithlard | mozrat, did you make any t-shirts in the end? |
| 15:29.18 | goibhniu | but what are the chances ... I hit the capture button and within seconds we found that the network was dead |
| 15:29.53 | Erwin | correlation is not causation |
| 15:31.21 | Erwin | though the expert that argued something similar with probabilities, in the Sally Clark was reinstated today |
| 15:32.06 | goibhniu | :D |
| 15:32.10 | morsing | mozrat: Just confirmed - I can't go tonight |
| 15:32.12 | morsing | :( |
| 15:35.47 | Leeds | screw this - I'm not sitting in at home on IRC all night... time to go get some booze |
| 15:37.46 | mozrat | keithlard: no, the corporation who promised to sponser them pulled out :( |
| 15:40.25 | mozrat | morsing: We'll miss you |
| 15:40.28 | mozrat | esp. Mad Dog |
| 15:41.15 | *** topic/#gllug by mozrat -> Greater London LUG - Next event is Sat. 11th November - InstallFest, Introduction to GNU/Linux and Xen. http://gllug.org.uk http://planet.gllug.org.uk |
| 15:41.30 | *** mode/#gllug [-o mozrat] by mozrat |
| 15:41.59 | morsing | mozrat: Say hi to Maddog from me |
| 15:42.50 | wethrin | And me! |
| 15:43.01 | wethrin | I bet he won't remember me, though! |
| 15:43.23 | boudiccas | mozrat; is gllugs events -=always=- on the 2nd satuday of the month? |
| 15:43.34 | boudiccas | *saturday |
| 15:44.17 | Leeds | hah, there;s no *always* |
| 15:44.23 | Leeds | no way he'll remember me |
| 15:44.56 | boudiccas | Leeds; you still in? thought you were going out :) |
| 15:45.07 | boudiccas | Leeds; btw, i'm now 2nd :) |
| 15:46.52 | boudiccas | Leeds; btwm i'm now 1st! :) |
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| 16:05.34 | morsing | random1658! |
| 16:05.42 | morsing | random1658: iTron? |
| 16:17.41 | mozrat | boudiccas: nope |
| 16:18.12 | mozrat | morsing: wethrin: will do (probably not as I'll then have to explain who you both are, and I doubt he'll really remember) |
| 16:18.30 | wethrin | mozrat: I was at UKUUG in Edinburgh, and am often as FOSDEM |
| 16:18.41 | mozrat | boudiccas: is the second Sat. bad for you? In fact they are normally later in the month |
| 16:18.50 | mozrat | but I was too busy/lazy to organise one in October :( |
| 16:24.04 | Erwin | [: 1: ==: unexpected operator |
| 16:24.11 | Erwin | ?? Why has bash started to say that? |
| 16:24.39 | Erwin | [ beta-test == main -o beta-test == test ] is the code. looks OK to me and gives no error when run. |
| 16:27.36 | wethrin | Use single - |
| 16:27.37 | wethrin | Er |
| 16:27.37 | wethrin | = |
| 16:27.45 | wethrin | If you're comparing strings |
| 16:29.32 | Erwin | Hmm, wonder how that worked before |
| 16:30.14 | Erwin | No ,this isn't right. |
| 16:31.16 | Erwin | oops, no, it was right, I managed to somhoewscrewup my script |
| 16:32.10 | wethrin | Pubtime! |
| 16:43.37 | morsing | Beer |
| 16:44.22 | mozrat | if you are drinking beer you should be rushing to Kensington |
| 16:44.23 | mozrat | ! |
| 16:44.50 | morsing | I'm at the DC :( |
| 16:44.58 | mozrat | Data Centre? |
| 16:45.11 | morsing | Yes |
| 16:45.20 | eyore | Copy and Paste stops working again |
| 16:45.23 | morsing | Nice |
| 16:45.25 | eyore | next time i buy a mac |
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| 16:52.27 | morsing | trousers! |
| 16:52.49 | trousers | Check it! :P |
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| 16:53.21 | morsing | Beer |
| 16:54.57 | morsing | Tool |
| 17:08.32 | morsing | Twat!?! |
| 17:11.36 | keithlard | ?? |
| 17:15.07 | morsing | My friend, whos server I monitor HTTP and SSH on, has redirected port 80 on his router to point to SSH without telling me |
| 17:15.27 | morsing | No wonder I've been getting 200 emails with "invaid HTTP response"! |
| 17:17.38 | morsing | ibot beat up my friend! |
| 17:17.39 | ibot | ACTION beats up my friend! with a very wet, sticky noodle |
| 17:17.59 | morsing | Thanks ibot :) |
| 17:20.59 | trousers | ibot slap morsing with a big wet fish |
| 17:21.01 | ibot | ACTION slaps morsing with a big wet fish, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 17:21.11 | trousers | Wow, it worked :o |
| 17:21.25 | morsing | Nice |
| 17:22.03 | trousers | ibot slap ibot |
| 17:22.04 | ibot | ACTION slaps ibot, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 17:31.56 | morsing | ping wethrin |
| 17:32.20 | morsing | http://www.morsing.cc/www/munin/morsing.cc/emil.morsing.cc-postfix_mailqueue.html |
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| 17:42.21 | boudiccas | mozrat; 2nd Saturday of the month is =-=always=-= my knitting circle, which I don't like to miss :) |
| 17:45.57 | sabinef72 | hi |
| 17:49.02 | morsing | sabinef72! |
| 17:49.12 | sabinef72 | morsing !!!!!! |
| 17:49.32 | morsing | sabinef72: I'm in Amsterdam between the 24th and 26th |
| 17:49.54 | morsing | :( :( :( |
| 17:50.11 | morsing | :( |
| 17:50.42 | sabinef72 | can't you change your week end ? |
| 17:51.00 | morsing | Don't think so... Will see |
| 17:51.20 | sabinef72 | try please |
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| 18:01.03 | Gunde | good evening |
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| 18:31.28 | morsing | catalyst! |
| 18:31.33 | catalyst | morsing! |
| 18:31.44 | morsing | catalyst: Cheer up! |
| 18:31.49 | catalyst | cheer up? :) |
| 18:32.02 | morsing | Beer |
| 18:32.39 | catalyst | Beer! |
| 18:35.20 | serris | morning morsing |
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| 18:50.13 | catalyst | good plan! |
| 18:50.17 | trousers | Hmm, Synergy is quite funky |
| 18:50.20 | morsing | But no eer... |
| 18:50.28 | morsing | Mmm... funky |
| 18:50.43 | morsing | trousers! |
| 18:50.48 | trousers | morsing! |
| 18:51.04 | trousers | We must meet one day -_- |
| 18:51.09 | morsing | Yes :) |
| 18:51.15 | morsing | With beer |
| 18:51.37 | trousers | For you, if you must |
| 18:54.10 | morsing | No beer? |
| 18:54.16 | morsing | Beer is good! |
| 18:54.20 | morsing | ibot beer |
| 18:54.22 | ibot | ACTION has disconnected (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by beer)) |
| 18:54.31 | morsing | ibot coffee |
| 18:54.50 | Gunde | Is only beer acceptable? |
| 18:55.43 | morsing | Yes |
| 18:57.24 | deep-blue | evenin folks |
| 18:57.35 | morsing | deep-blue1 |
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| 19:01.42 | trousers | Wait, that's port... |
| 19:02.00 | trousers | :) |
| 19:02.41 | Gunde | *g* My housemate sits in the living room wearing jacket and hat while watching TV... simply too cold |
| 19:03.08 | xotl | are you conserving energy to save the planet? |
| 19:03.49 | Gunde | No, the letting agency still couldn't make the plumber fix the heating that broke on Tuesday, or the gas fire that broke in the middle of August |
| 19:04.26 | Gunde | I feel the need of a more powerful or a more ineffective pc that creates more heat |
| 19:05.13 | Gunde | and a hose attached to the psu fan blowing warm air under the table |
| 19:07.01 | xotl | everyone should wear a jacket and hat indoors so that the UK can meet our carbon emission targets |
| 19:08.01 | morsing | Remote heating |
| 19:08.41 | xotl | morsing: what is remote heating? |
| 19:09.22 | Gunde | Can I wear a duvet too? |
| 19:10.16 | xotl | Gunde: you should wear a jacket an hat in bed as well to ensure that you never need heating all winter |
| 19:11.25 | Gunde | I prefer warm water bottles with ears (: |
| 19:11.32 | Gunde | aka somebody to snuggle up to |
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| 19:28.57 | boudiccas | is mozilla web page/site down does anhone know please, because i can't reach it from two browsers |
| 19:29.22 | serris | works fine for me |
| 19:29.56 | db^cleaning | hay serris |
| 19:29.59 | serris | hi |
| 19:30.06 | boudiccas | odd, perhpas i need another shilling in the meter then? :) |
| 19:30.22 | db^cleaning | boudiccas: try openDNS |
| 19:30.48 | boudiccas | db^cleaning; what is openDNS? |
| 19:31.28 | db^cleaning | replace your ISPs dns servers with much faster and more reliable ones |
| 19:31.40 | db^cleaning | has helped me loads with blueyonders sluggish and buggy ones |
| 19:32.13 | boudiccas | well that doesn't help with my one only linux box here at home |
| 19:32.49 | db^cleaning | yer it will, you just change your dns settings (ask serris for his dns editor), and pages repond quicker |
| 19:33.42 | xotl | can you actually tell its faster? |
| 19:33.49 | db^cleaning | oh ya! |
| 19:33.53 | db^cleaning | and im on a 10mbit line |
| 19:34.13 | serris | I gave the towel in. I changed the DHCP to a static IP. I'm hoping that'll do the trick cause I'm getting tired of things borking up cause of the reset |
| 19:34.25 | db^cleaning | lol |
| 19:34.30 | xotl | wouldnt that mean that ISPs dns is extremely slow? |
| 19:34.59 | db^cleaning | xotl: yea, blueyonders (here at home) and BT business (work) are sluggish |
| 19:35.07 | boudiccas | ah, its working again :) |
| 19:35.36 | xotl | how do you use it, just change your dns addresses? |
| 19:35.41 | db^cleaning | yup |
| 19:35.44 | db^cleaning | opendns.org |
| 19:35.59 | xotl | hm ok I'll try it |
| 19:37.03 | morsing | Baa |
| 19:38.38 | boudiccas | ook |
| 19:39.06 | xotl | practising your random words again, morsing? |
| 19:39.34 | morsing | xotl: Yes |
| 19:40.07 | xotl | I think you will soon be a master of saying random words |
| 19:40.26 | morsing | Boke |
| 19:40.37 | boudiccas | read it |
| 19:40.46 | morsing | boudiccas: Read what? |
| 19:40.48 | morsing | :) |
| 19:40.49 | boudiccas | morsing; Check It |
| 19:40.54 | morsing | Check what? |
| 19:43.09 | boudiccas | beer |
| 19:43.10 | morsing | boudiccas: Sorry, that's not random enough |
| 19:43.10 | morsing | Leeds? |
| 19:45.55 | serris | db^cleaning: what's the IP for opendns? |
| 19:46.08 | db^cleaning | 208.67.222.222 |
| 19:46.12 | db^cleaning | 208.67.220.220 |
| 19:46.33 | serris | thanks |
| 19:48.17 | xotl | how do the opendns guys make money? |
| 19:48.45 | db^cleaning | adsense + donations + sponsoring i guess |
| 19:50.11 | xotl | ah I see how they do it |
| 19:50.30 | xotl | yeah, when you type in a bad address |
| 19:51.23 | xotl | its fine, though. not intrusive |
| 19:51.31 | db^cleaning | yer |
| 19:51.34 | db^cleaning | and its usefulll |
| 19:53.10 | xotl | I'll use opendns for a bit see how it goes. thanks for the tip db^cleaning |
| 19:53.29 | db^cleaning | np |
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| 20:14.33 | trousers | Okay, can somebody tell me a simple solution to getting a hostname working on my domain? |
| 20:15.09 | trousers | As in a link or whatever on the theory behind/how to set up a hostname so I can get shell.trousers.ath.cx ftp.trousers.ath.cx etc. working |
| 20:15.56 | boudiccas | trousers; I'd love to learn how too :) |
| 20:16.09 | trousers | I'm also having trouble with .htaccess :( |
| 20:17.18 | db^cleaning | trousers: buy a pro dyndns account |
| 20:17.27 | trousers | I will not pay. |
| 20:17.36 | rhowe | hm.. who's gone to the maddog thing? |
| 20:17.45 | db^cleaning | then you cant |
| 20:17.47 | trousers | I know it can be done - but I don't know how |
| 20:18.47 | db^cleaning | not without purchasing a domain, and having access to the configs for it |
| 20:18.59 | trousers | Really? Oh :( |
| 20:19.02 | db^cleaning | yea |
| 20:20.01 | trousers | So I don't actually need a DNS server? |
| 20:20.31 | db^cleaning | well, yes normally |
| 20:21.09 | trousers | Oh, right, I see. So once it forwards it to me I need to deal with it still |
| 20:21.20 | db^cleaning | yer |
| 20:21.28 | trousers | Cheers |
| 20:21.29 | db^cleaning | trick is |
| 20:21.33 | trousers | Any help with .htaccess? |
| 20:21.41 | db^cleaning | install a dnyDNS client per machine |
| 20:21.56 | db^cleaning | reg shell-trousers.ath.cx web-trousers.ath.cx etc |
| 20:22.02 | db^cleaning | and use a router to redirect ports |
| 20:22.20 | trousers | Yeah, but it's not the same :) |
| 20:23.36 | trousers | I'm trying to create a private Wiki for my reference, but .htaccess won't block access :( |
| 20:24.38 | boudiccas | use moinmoin |
| 20:25.08 | trousers | I have the wiki |
| 20:25.15 | trousers | But anybody can access it |
| 20:26.02 | keithlard_ | what does your .htaccess say |
| 20:26.49 | keithlard_ | and do you have 'allowoverride authconfig' switched on in httpd.conf? |
| 20:28.36 | keithlard_ | trousers> you can buy a domain fairly cheaply from somewhere like easyspace.com |
| 20:28.47 | keithlard_ | and they will serve the DNS for you |
| 20:28.49 | db^cleaning | ukreg.com = £5 for 2 years for a .co.uk |
| 20:30.11 | keithlard_ | or you can use the dyndns free service and get something like trousers.dyndns.org |
| 20:30.20 | db^cleaning | keithlard_: thats what he has |
| 20:30.31 | db^cleaning | but it doesnt offer the subdomains he wants |
| 20:31.16 | keithlard_ | of course, you're at liberty to set up your own DNS server which you control, and persuade everyone in the whole world to use it :D |
| 20:32.41 | trousers | keithlard_: Yes, i do have that in my httpd.conf now, and http://paste.biz/paste-66.html |
| 20:32.58 | keithlard_ | .htaccess files are a pain to debug anyway; it's better to put the equivalent directives into a file in /etc/httpd/conf.d and so forth |
| 20:34.26 | rhowe | JAAS++ |
| 20:34.51 | keithlard_ | what dat |
| 20:34.56 | rhowe | keithlard_: Oh do you know, off the top of your head if there's an Apache auth module which will authenticate against another HTTP server? |
| 20:35.01 | rhowe | keithlard_: PAM for Java, basically :) |
| 20:35.08 | keithlard_ | very nice |
| 20:35.18 | keithlard_ | not off the top of my head.... |
| 20:35.29 | keithlard_ | is it frightfully difficult to write auth modules? |
| 20:35.38 | rhowe | Not really |
| 20:35.57 | rhowe | frightfully scary to have a site's security depend on one you wrote though :) |
| 20:36.19 | rhowe | keithlard_: Probably a chunk more work than my Java one took :) |
| 20:36.52 | keithlard_ | i see what you mean |
| 20:37.39 | keithlard_ | trousers> and did you restart apache and what happens when you go to that URL? |
| 20:37.48 | keithlard_ | what shows up in the access log |
| 20:37.51 | trousers | Oooh, I got it working-ish |
| 20:38.19 | trousers | Where is the apache config file? |
| 20:38.25 | trousers | *log |
| 20:38.43 | keithlard_ | usually /var/log/httpd or similar |
| 20:38.56 | keithlard_ | http://paste.biz/paste-67.html |
| 20:39.08 | rhowe | trousers: grep Log /etc/apache/httpd.conf |
| 20:39.18 | trousers | I found the log :) |
| 20:39.29 | rhowe | trousers: and in sites-enabled if you're using apache2 - should be a configuration directive telling apache where to dump its chatter |
| 20:39.40 | keithlard_ | see you can put that in a file called eg /etc/apache/conf.d/mywiki |
| 20:39.44 | keithlard_ | (for example) |
| 20:39.57 | keithlard_ | and you don't need your htaccess file anymore |
| 20:40.40 | trousers | What is conf.d? |
| 20:40.49 | keithlard_ | .htaccess dates from when web servers were so amazing and expensive that lots of people had to share one, so they all needed to maintain independent access control... |
| 20:41.16 | keithlard_ | anything in conf.d will be read by apache as though it was part of httpd.conf |
| 20:42.55 | keithlard_ | is it morally wrong that i'm enjoying looking through other people's completely unrelated pastebin posts? :D |
| 20:43.39 | trousers | Yes. |
| 20:43.48 | trousers | ARGH! I NEED TO GET RID OF GENTOO |
| 20:43.59 | trousers | And put Debian on my server :) |
| 20:44.14 | rhowe | keithlard_: Introduce subtle bugs! |
| 20:44.27 | trousers | You tit :P |
| 20:44.30 | keithlard_ | that pretty much happens by itself when i write code |
| 20:44.49 | rhowe | Really? My bugs are all glaringly awful :P |
| 20:46.05 | keithlard_ | well, if you do everything test-first, the only bugs that make it into production *are* subtle ones :D |
| 20:46.13 | keithlard_ | but they're real buggers... |
| 20:46.19 | rhowe | heh |
| 20:46.34 | rhowe | Like the one where my loginmodule randomly assigns you a different identity sometimes? :) |
| 20:46.42 | keithlard_ | we found a good one the other day in wordtracker... |
| 20:47.17 | keithlard_ | which nuked the entire live database |
| 20:47.35 | keithlard_ | *annoyed grunt* |
| 20:47.53 | rhowe | fun! |
| 20:48.15 | keithlard_ | it's an ancient perl script that does the rollout |
| 20:48.28 | rhowe | You know you shouldn't precede SELECT with DROP DATABASE :) |
| 20:48.56 | keithlard_ | drop database 'live-oh-shit-i-meant-test' |
| 20:49.59 | rhowe | easier than heading to Kensington |
| 20:50.03 | keithlard_ | "There are only two kinds of programming languages: those people |
| 20:50.03 | keithlard_ | always bitch about and those nobody uses." |
| 20:50.03 | keithlard_ | - Bjarne Stroustrup |
| 20:50.16 | keithlard_ | later.Z! |
| 20:52.32 | boudiccas | if i've installed wordpress onto my system from a FC4 repo, how do i access the program please? |
| 20:53.37 | keithlard_ | try rpm -ql wordpress |grep bin to see what the executable is |
| 20:54.41 | keithlard_ | ah, it's a web thing |
| 20:54.59 | keithlard_ | point a web browser at the appropriate place |
| 20:55.19 | keithlard_ | maybe helpful: http://codex.wordpress.org/Installing_WordPress |
| 20:57.59 | boudiccas | keithlard_; ty :) |
| 20:58.27 | boudiccas | leffe? que? |
| 20:58.36 | keithlard_ | it is a belgian abbey beer |
| 20:58.50 | keithlard_ | dark, malty and packs a knockout punch! |
| 20:59.01 | boudiccas | ah, i'm supping my home-brew :) |
| 20:59.08 | keithlard_ | ooh! excitemint! |
| 20:59.19 | boudiccas | ook |
| 20:59.26 | keithlard_ | i used to make quite a tasty lager |
| 20:59.38 | boudiccas | why don't you now? |
| 21:00.21 | keithlard_ | i could do :D |
| 21:00.50 | keithlard_ | that would be great |
| 21:00.59 | boudiccas | something useful and worthwhile to while away some of these dark autumnal evening hours :) |
| 21:01.06 | keithlard_ | definitely |
| 21:01.16 | keithlard_ | and you get loads of cheap booze! |
| 21:01.26 | boudiccas | 16p a pint :) |
| 21:01.34 | keithlard_ | can't argue with that reely! |
| 21:53.04 | trousers | No offence intended to anybody - but is there any reason why there seems to be a much higher proportion of people with beards:non beards with people who use Linux rather than don't? |
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| 22:12.31 | xotl | anyone been watching what's happened to red hat's share price recently? |
| 22:13.50 | xotl | down 40% in just over a month. incredible |
| 22:13.57 | Gunde | scrolling through the log I have a domain question... when you get a hosting package over here, doesnt it usually include a domain name and some kind of configuration so that you can create subdomains if you want to? |
| 22:15.39 | xotl | Gunde: my hosting package has subdomains, yes |
| 22:15.41 | murb | Gunde: how long is a bit of string. |
| 22:16.04 | Gunde | murb: is that a trick question? |
| 22:16.27 | Gunde | Except that it wasn't exactly a question... |
| 22:17.07 | murb | you gets what you pay. |
| 22:17.25 | murb | Gunde: what are you after? |
| 22:18.47 | murb | personally i like to keep my domains seperate from my hosting, so i can' be blackmailed if i want to move hosting companies. |
| 22:18.56 | Gunde | Nothing, just trying to understand what trousers's problem is. But if I understand it correctly the point is that he wants DNS entries to point at his server at home attached to his broadband access, right? |
| 22:19.01 | murb | to transfer some domains. |
| 22:19.19 | murb | Gunde: sorry, didn't read that just back from the pub :p |
| 22:19.52 | murb | Gunde: unfortunly we already had to sue tiscali business before. |
| 22:20.19 | murb | now we have two domains that htey automatically NACK, so i have to write letters to denic :(. |
| 22:20.30 | Gunde | If I want to change hosting provider I just do that and send the old provider a cancellation form with request to transfer them |
| 22:20.35 | Gunde | murb: German domains? |
| 22:20.40 | murb | Gunde: yep |
| 22:21.01 | murb | this was a reseller account so worse as we are only admin-c/tech-c/zone-c not holder. |
| 22:21.05 | Gunde | They send a NACK although the admin-c or owner of the domain sent a so-called KK-Antrag? |
| 22:21.43 | murb | we sent a kk-antrag, and are the admin-c |
| 22:21.43 | Gunde | Tiscali refuses to deal with the admin-c then? |
| 22:22.02 | murb | more they just ignore all communication including fax |
| 22:22.19 | murb | and like clock work we get the nack after 5 days |
| 22:22.23 | Gunde | That is bad |
| 22:22.32 | Leeds | morning all! |
| 22:22.39 | Gunde | They could send a late-ack after that if they wanted to. |
| 22:22.46 | Gunde | What does the holder say? |
| 22:22.51 | Gunde | Hi Leeds (: |
| 22:22.57 | murb | 'lo Leeds. |
| 22:23.16 | murb | Gunde: the holder just cares that there is no chance the domain has any interruption of service. |
| 22:23.37 | murb | which is what we are really afraid of as well. |
| 22:24.03 | Gunde | murb: Send him the KK to sign, then send that to Tiscali? Anyway, via Denic should work too, but shouldnt be necessary |
| 22:24.49 | Gunde | murb: Does anybody of the parties involved speak German? |
| 22:25.09 | murb | alles sprecht gut deutsch. |
| 22:26.24 | Gunde | lol |
| 22:26.44 | murb | well except me. |
| 22:26.47 | Gunde | At least the Denic page says the admin-c can initiate the move too. |
| 22:27.17 | murb | ich habt gelernt bischen deutsch bie VHS. |
| 22:28.00 | Gunde | murb: http://www.denic.de/de/faqs/domaininhaber/index.html#section_51 |
| 22:28.05 | murb | und Kneipe. |
| 22:28.08 | Gunde | But I guess you have come that far already. |
| 22:28.37 | Gunde | Kneipe is a good way to learn the language, although possibly not the best place for proper pronunshashun |
| 22:31.43 | murb | ich habt mer deutsch gelernt im kneiper than 8 jahr francisch im schule. |
| 22:34.33 | trousers | Argh! |
| 22:34.44 | trousers | Is it me or is that horrible German? |
| 22:34.52 | Leeds | morning trousers... |
| 22:34.59 | trousers | Evening Leeds |
| 22:36.13 | Gunde | In pubs you usually dont learn proper spelling after all. |
| 22:36.40 | trousers | Heh |
| 22:36.45 | trousers | I quite like German |
| 22:36.49 | trousers | Not as drunk as French :P |
| 22:37.06 | Gunde | In what sense drunk? |
| 22:37.13 | Gunde | I love listening to French. |
| 22:37.33 | murb | und mein deutsch gramatic ist Scheiss. |
| 22:38.25 | murb | kein hoch deutsch im oberfranken anyway. |
| 22:38.36 | Leeds | so, I have a thought, and I'd appreciate comments from any mail experts... I get a lot of spam bounced to me in the form of failed deliveries, because someone (or some bastards) is using random addresses from my domain as the from line on spam |
| 22:38.58 | Gunde | hmm, disable catch-all |
| 22:39.04 | Gunde | I had to do that last year |
| 22:39.06 | murb | yep don't accept everything @ |
| 22:39.08 | Leeds | no, I like catch-all |
| 22:39.26 | murb | Leeds: then accept what the spambastards are doing. |
| 22:39.34 | Leeds | the problem is that the bounces don't follow any format... so I've been trying to think of a way to filter bounces |
| 22:39.39 | Gunde | Me too. I have resorted to configuring aliases though. |
| 22:39.42 | murb | or atleast blacklist the addresses that you can spam bounces from automatically. |
| 22:39.55 | Gunde | Leeds: Do you run your own mail server? |
| 22:40.00 | murb | (lots of sites do a callout on the sender and if it fails they won't accept the mail) |
| 22:40.01 | Leeds | Gunde: yes, of course |
| 22:40.13 | Gunde | (and may I reply even if I am not an expert at all?) |
| 22:40.13 | murb | even yahoo who normally accept everything deny closed accounts. |
| 22:40.30 | trousers | Gunde: French sounds too... Liquid... |
| 22:40.55 | Gunde | trousers: And I like people who talk a different language with a French accent. |
| 22:41.00 | Leeds | anyway, my theory is that the one way I can filter bounces is that any real mail has a return-path, while bounces are the only form of valid (by rfc) message which are allowed not to have one |
| 22:41.03 | Gunde | murb: what does callout mean? |
| 22:41.32 | trousers | Gunde: Okay, that is okay, but the French itself isn't particularly great |
| 22:41.45 | murb | Gunde: ehlo $MYNAME\r\nmail from:<>\r\nrcpt to:<$local_part@$domain> |
| 22:42.04 | murb | if they don't accept the bounce, you don't accept the mail. |
| 22:42.09 | Gunde | trousers: I gave up studying French at university when we came to passé simple. |
| 22:42.25 | trousers | Gunde: I have no idea what that means as I do German :) |
| 22:42.28 | Gunde | murb: Ah ok. |
| 22:42.31 | murb | e.g: 2006-10-27 23:42:09 H=66-50-17-247.prtc.net (lfhknnc) [66.50.17.247] sender verify fail for <irwinelden@dancap.ca>: response to "RCPT TO:<irwinelden@dancap.ca>" from mx1.megamailservers.com [216.251.32.71] was: 550 5.1.1 <irwinelden@dancap.ca>... User unknown |
| 22:42.59 | Leeds | so, my question is, is there anything wrong with filtering mail with no return-path? not sending it straight to the bin, at least at first, just putting it somewhere out of the way, particularly so it doesn't appear on my phone |
| 22:43.24 | murb | Leeds: you probably don't want bounces going to your phone no! |
| 22:43.36 | murb | but you *must* accept bounces. |
| 22:43.44 | murb | otherwise you'll find you can't email lots of places. |
| 22:43.54 | Leeds | sure, I accept them, but I don't want to see them in my inbox - they can go somewhere else |
| 22:43.56 | murb | atleast at smtp time. |
| 22:44.09 | murb | yep filter them wherever. |
| 22:44.21 | murb | maybe just accepting those that are send to your primary email address. |
| 22:44.28 | murb | or addresses you send email from. |
| 22:44.30 | Leeds | yeah, good point |
| 22:44.50 | Erwin | Argh, I just got my Treo to sync via my Windows PC using Bluteooth over the network into Evolution.. now it has started to say something about "port in use" |
| 22:44.58 | Leeds | ooh look, there's another one |
| 22:45.09 | Gunde | trousers: A weird form for verbs usually used in written French only. |
| 22:50.47 | Gunde | Leeds: How come you are up so early on a Saturday? |
| 22:51.12 | Leeds | Gunde: because back when I said "morning all!" was when I got in from a night of wine, women and song :-) |
| 22:52.24 | Leeds | well, vodka rather than wine, but otherwise... |
| 22:52.48 | Gunde | So actually you havent gone to bed yet? |
| 22:53.09 | Leeds | nope |
| 22:54.11 | Leeds | this is a part of what I came back to Hong Kong for - it's a real party town |
| 22:56.14 | Gunde | And nothing like pub closing time at 11 pm I take it. |
| 22:56.33 | Leeds | hah! |
| 22:57.21 | Leeds | we left the second place at about 4:30, and a lot of other places were closed by then, but just from lack of custom... went down to Wanchai, the wilder nightlife area, where a bunch of things were still open... there are 24-hour pubs around there |
| 22:57.52 | Leeds | okay, good... bounces to my normal from address are getting through, bounces to other addresses should be filtered |
| 23:03.15 | Leeds | bugger, not working |
| 23:04.45 | murb | Leeds: what is public trasnport like in .hk? does it go all night? |
| 23:04.55 | murb | or are things walking distance</ignorant> |
| 23:06.20 | Leeds | public transport is excellent, but mostly does not run at night... the trams and MTR (underground) stop overnight, although the trams, at least, were running again by the time I got home, and some of the ferries run overnight - to the otherwise inaccessible islands |
| 23:07.10 | Leeds | lots of things are walking distance, partly depending on how you define that :-) for example, I *have* walked the distance from where I jumped into a cab to home, but I wasn't going to do it at 6am with blisters after dancing all night |
| 23:09.42 | Leeds | it's maybe an hour's walk though, which may not fit many people's definition of walking distance... but that is to my new place, which is somewhat out of town - my old place was walking distance from most of town, except that it was a couple of hundred meters up the hill, so less easy a walk |
| 23:10.24 | Gunde | good night |
| 23:10.28 | murb | nn |
| 23:10.39 | Leeds | night |
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