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`07:14.34`	`morsing`	`'morning`
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`07:27.15`	`mozrat`	`morsing!`
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`07:38.31`	`mozrat`	`Morning Mart`
`07:39.02`	`SlayerXP`	`lo`
`07:40.26`	`mozrat`	`SlayerXP: is this article to do with your nephew? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/5376676.stm`
`07:40.53`	`SlayerXP`	`sec`
`07:41.43`	`SlayerXP`	`it looks remarkably similar`
`07:42.07`	`SlayerXP`	`I've not seen andrew yet, but I can ask him for his version of events when I do`
`07:42.37`	`mozrat`	`nod`
`07:43.23`	`SlayerXP`	`get the car on the 7th`
`07:43.42`	`SlayerXP`	`i'll be picking it up, and then driving directly to wherever he is`
`07:45.19`	`sabinef72`	`morning`
`07:45.45`	`morsing`	`sabinef72!`
`07:45.48`	`morsing`	`mozrat!`
`07:45.51`	`morsing`	`SlayerXP!`
`07:45.56`	`mozrat`	`morning sabinef72`
`07:46.20`	`sabinef72`	`... and SlayerXP`
`07:46.39`	`SlayerXP`	`no tongues!`
`07:46.53`	`sabinef72`	`... on their CHEEKS`
`07:50.25`	`mozrat`	`ooherr`
`07:51.29`	`SlayerXP`	`sabinef72: which ones? :)`
`07:54.14`	`sabinef72`	`SlayerXP: both in france to say hello I give one kiss on each cheek`
`07:54.45`	`SlayerXP`	`that always confuses me`
`07:54.55`	`SlayerXP`	`some people go for 2, 3 or even 4`
`07:56.10`	`sabinef72`	`yes depends of the personn`
`07:56.33`	`sabinef72`	`for me it's two, first on your left one, then the right`
`07:56.43`	`sabinef72`	`but sometimes if I'm in a hurry, I'll just do one`
`07:58.05`	`mozrat`	`And if you don't like the person?`
`07:58.51`	`sabinef72`	`ahhh if I don't like the personn... in this case, it's not my friend... so no kiss`
`07:59.03`	`SlayerXP`	`i'm mostly used to it now`
`07:59.04`	`sabinef72`	`just "hello"`
`07:59.07`	`sabinef72`	`and perhaps nothing`
`07:59.36`	`SlayerXP`	`i recall the icy stares from Lynda the first time i misused "salut!" as a greeting`
`08:00.23`	`sabinef72`	`:-)`
`08:01.44`	`mozrat`	`heh`
`08:01.50`	`z0d`	`Good day.`
`08:04.13`	`sabinef72`	`arg the come back of Z0something who makes me upset`
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`08:10.56`	`mozrat`	`Morning huw-l`
`08:13.59`	`Leeds`	`sabinef72: slap me, please`
`08:14.19`	`sabinef72`	`in this case.....`
`08:14.36`	`sabinef72`	`can you tell me why now ?`
`08:14.52`	`Leeds`	`thank you - that should remind me to post your bloody card today`
`08:15.25`	`Leeds`	`also, morning all :-)`
`08:16.17`	`sabinef72`	`Leeds: lol`
`08:17.11`	`Leeds`	`and again - happy new year...`
`08:18.05`	`sabinef72`	`you should write me a line for happy new year and my birthday on it !`
`08:18.18`	`Leeds`	`ah, when is your birthday?`
`08:18.32`	`sabinef72`	`not yet`
`08:18.49`	`sabinef72`	`Leeds: do you receive my postcard ?`
`08:19.07`	`sabinef72`	`all my friends in france receive it but I dunno for england`
`08:19.18`	`Leeds`	`uh, don't think so... when/where did you send it?`
`08:20.16`	`sabinef72`	`when ? .... wenesday september 13 th`
`08:20.23`	`sabinef72`	`where ? ... in buenos aires`
`08:21.07`	`Leeds`	`if it came after Thursday last week, I have been in Leeds at my parents' house for new year, so I wouldn't have seen it`
`08:21.41`	`sabinef72`	`I sent it at the address you gave me`
`08:22.27`	`Leeds`	`probably my London address then - I'll be there tomorrow, I think`
`08:22.51`	`sabinef72`	`yes it was in UK`
`08:24.20`	`Leeds`	`right, but I could have given you my parents' address, as I gave it to wethrin... but I don't think I did`
`08:26.52`	`sabinef72`	`let me check`
`08:27.27`	`sabinef72`	`wheatley close`
`08:28.24`	`Leeds`	`yeah, London - I'll be there tomorrow`
`08:29.37`	`sabinef72`	`ok`
`08:29.43`	`sabinef72`	`are you still in Spain ?`
`08:30.50`	`Leeds`	`oh, no - I'm in Leeds`
`08:31.23`	`sabinef72`	`Leeds ?`
`08:32.17`	`Leeds`	`yes?`
`08:33.25`	`sabinef72`	`hmmm`
`08:33.33`	`sabinef72`	`is Leeds is near London ?`
`08:33.43`	`cpufreak`	`Leeds: new year? huh? its september`
`08:33.50`	`cpufreak`	`sabinef72: 220 milees`
`08:33.52`	`cpufreak`	`or so`
`08:34.15`	`sabinef72`	`stupid england with miles.....`
`08:34.39`	`Leeds`	`cpufreak: yes, new year - get out of your simplistic Christian/pagan calendar :-)`
`08:34.54`	`cpufreak`	`~350km`
`08:35.10`	`cpufreak`	`Leeds: doesn't fit with chinese enew yearr`
`08:35.10`	`cpufreak`	`and please don't`
`08:35.21`	`cpufreak`	`call me either pagan or chrisian ever again`
`08:35.43`	`cpufreak`	`meh`
`08:35.54`	`Leeds`	`didn't say you were pagan or christian - I said you were talking about the Christian/pagan calendar`
`08:35.55`	`sabinef72`	`ahhhh it's far from London !`
`08:35.56`	`cpufreak`	`sstupid phone, cant typ this mornng`
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`08:36.19`	`cpufreak`	`so what type of new year is it`
`08:36.27`	`Leeds`	`Jewish`
`08:36.37`	`Cope`	`Morning chims`
`08:36.44`	`Cope`	`s/im/um/`
`08:36.55`	`cpufreak`	`oh, that'll explain why my ister and her fiance were back in the uk then`
`08:37.02`	`Cope`	`morsing!!`
`08:37.07`	`cpufreak`	`*sister`
`08:37.11`	`jcml__`	`Shanah tovah, all. For Saturday.`
`08:37.13`	`Leeds`	`morning Cope`
`08:37.19`	`Leeds`	`thanks jcml__ :-)`
`08:37.39`	`jcml__`	`:)`
`08:37.42`	`Cope`	`byker grove, Leeds`
`08:37.57`	`sabinef72`	`coucou Cope`
`08:38.04`	`Cope`	`woo sabinef72!`
`08:38.09`	`cpufreak`	`jcml: is ant still in charge`
`08:38.14`	`cpufreak`	`or is pies back`
`08:38.27`	`jcml__`	`I don't know /what/ you mean.`
`08:38.42`	`jcml__`	`Lord'n'master is back from holeeeday, tho ..`
`08:38.44`	`cpufreak`	`at your jo`
`08:38.47`	`jcml__`	`:)`
`08:38.47`	`cpufreak`	`b`
`08:38.53`	`cpufreak`	`ah pies is back`
`08:38.59`	`cpufreak`	`its ok, he responds to that`
`08:39.09`	`jcml__`	`I'm not going to even /ask/`
`08:39.10`	`cpufreak`	`its affectionate, kinda`
`08:39.12`	`cpufreak`	`:)`
`08:39.12`	`jcml__`	`:)`
`08:40.20`	`jcml__`	`he brought us devon rock, which is kinda nice. Although a /bad/ idea for chubby b'stards like me ...`
`08:40.28`	`cpufreak`	`lol`
`08:40.41`	`cpufreak`	`is he still buying cookies every afternoon?`
`08:40.50`	`morsing`	`cpufreak!`
`08:40.55`	`cpufreak`	`i've lost half a stone since i left clara`
`08:41.07`	`cpufreak`	`lo morsing, whats up?`
`08:41.23`	`jcml__`	`it seems to be down to once a week.`
`08:41.29`	`Cope`	`morsing1!`
`08:41.51`	`cpufreak`	`tho i may have put some of that back on at spaffy's wedding`
`08:41.51`	`Cope`	`morsing! even`
`08:41.51`	`cpufreak`	`which was good`
`08:42.56`	`antiphase`	`cheeky vimto++`
`08:43.12`	`cpufreak`	`:D`
`08:43.24`	`cpufreak`	`u heard from spaffers since friday?`
`08:43.34`	`jcml__`	`how was it? Was the groom radiant? The bride slightly tipsy?`
`08:43.40`	`antiphase`	`No, I presume he was busy boning and travelling`
`08:43.46`	`jcml__`	`:)++`
`08:44.12`	`antiphase`	`It was pretty good, if a little odd for being a civil job`
`08:44.26`	`cpufreak`	`service was short`
`08:44.31`	`cpufreak`	`photos up at`
`08:44.39`	`cpufreak`	`http://photo.ing.me.uk`
`08:46.13`	`z0d`	`Can you recommend a nice web-hosting company? I don't need anything fancy. Just 100MB web space. No CGI/PHP/SQL. Preferable with no downtime.`
`08:46.55`	`jcml__`	`ta`
`08:47.37`	`cpufreak`	`blackcat`
`08:48.01`	`SlayerXP`	`z0d: assuming zero dynamic content, I could offer some hosting`
`08:48.59`	`jcml__`	`Civil? So no nice music? :-( What was the reception like?`
`08:49.32`	`morsing`	`Cope!`
`08:49.39`	`cpufreak`	`lotsa booze`
`08:49.45`	`cpufreak`	`cava :S`
`08:50.18`	`jcml__`	`niiiice x-)`
`08:50.21`	`rhowe`	`MSS is a TCP thing, right?`
`08:50.24`	`cpufreak`	`tho not a bad one`
`08:57.41`	`Cope`	`morsing: I own a volvo :)`
`08:58.50`	`antiphase`	`jcml__: No nice music unfortunately. Most of the fogies looked like they'd croak if they had to use their breath for anything other than respiration though`
`09:02.26`	`morsing`	`Cope: Really? 240?`
`09:03.44`	`z0d`	`SlayerXP: No dynamic content.`
`09:04.16`	`jcml__`	`antiphase: what about at the reception? Did anyone disgrace themselves? :-`
`09:04.17`	`jcml__`	`)`
`09:04.17`	`SlayerXP`	`z0d: what sort of site is it? commerical? personal?`
`09:04.26`	`cpufreak`	`antiphase: there was music at the 'discotheque'`
`09:05.36`	`z0d`	`SlayerXP: Personal.`
`09:06.15`	`SlayerXP`	`z0d: what sort of traffic do you estimate?`
`09:07.15`	`morsing`	`ping Cope`
`09:07.50`	`z0d`	`SlayerXP: That's a good question. Not much. I believe the number of visitors is less than 20/day. The content is mostly text, with some images.`
`09:08.12`	`SlayerXP`	`z0d: and what would you like to pay per month or per year?`
`09:08.13`	`z0d`	`SlayerXP: Do you pay for the traffic?`
`09:08.19`	`SlayerXP`	`z0d: yes`
`09:08.38`	`z0d`	`SlayerXP: Monthly.`
`09:08.42`	`jcml__`	`"mostly text, with some images."`
`09:08.50`	`z0d`	`jcml__: <-:`
`09:09.07`	`SlayerXP`	`z0d: how much would you like to pay per month?`
`09:10.22`	`z0d`	`SlayerXP: I'm not really acquainted with the prices in England.`
`09:10.49`	`z0d`	`jcml__: I'd say that a dating site is not personal.`
`09:11.13`	`SlayerXP`	`z0d: if it really is as little traffic as you say, I could probably offer, say �75+VAT, per year.`
`09:12.03`	`jcml__`	`ah - but it is if you're the only man/woman on the site, and the others don'tknowthat ...`
`09:14.25`	`z0d`	`SlayerXP: Thank you. Sounds good. I'll contact you if it's imminent.`
`09:14.39`	`Leeds`	`z0d: do you actually need 100M of space if you're doing such a tiny amount of traffic?`
`09:14.39`	`SlayerXP`	`z0d: okay`
`09:15.38`	`z0d`	`Leeds: Well disk space is cheap. 100MB will be enough for a while.`
`09:19.42`	`Leeds`	`thinking that you might almost be as good with the free space from an ISP or something`
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`09:23.02`	`z0d`	`I do have one already, but I'm going to bring it to England.`
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`09:36.42`	`wethrin`	`morning`
`09:57.04`	`mozrat`	`G'Morning`
`10:00.43`	`Leeds`	`okay, any help? got a crappy little ethernet print 'server' here, got a printer plugged in, got no idea to find out what the printer queues are called on it`
`10:01.23`	`Leeds`	`it appears to talk ipp`
`10:02.31`	`mozrat`	`No web interface or telnet?`
`10:03.46`	`Leeds`	`yes, but it doesn't give queue names`
`10:04.27`	`mozrat`	`I would guess "default" then`
`10:06.25`	`SlayerXP`	`Leeds: how is the printer connected to it?`
`10:06.58`	`Cope`	`morsinG: 960`
`10:07.21`	`Leeds`	`usb`
`10:09.17`	`Leeds`	`apparently they're called lp1, lp2 and lp3`
`10:12.31`	`cpufreak`	`jcml__: do you have sound/video ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaasDfKC9oo`
`10:13.35`	`jcml__`	`yep, but no flash. I do have wget, tho ...`
`10:14.52`	`jcml__`	`is this a particularararly clara-related bus, then? :-)`
`10:15.27`	`jcml__`	`:-( uTube-- : 51K/s`
`10:16.02`	`Leeds`	`got it working fine from cups on Linux, now need to get it working with cups on OSX - using the GUI`
`10:19.36`	`jcml__`	`good god. 110mph. that's faster than my chiltern train manages in the morning.`
`10:21.28`	`JAV`	`hello`
`10:21.31`	`andrew___`	`Hi - does anyone know of harware dianostic program - eg on a Live CD`
`10:21.46`	`phearless`	`good morning ! !`
`10:24.33`	`mozrat`	`hi phearless`
`10:26.06`	`jcml__`	`andrew___: I'm pretty sure either debian or ubuntu come with memtest86 as a boot option ...`
`10:26.21`	`jcml__`	`Try getting the debian netinst iso (120mb?) ...`
`10:31.17`	`andrew___`	`trying memtest in Knopix`
`10:31.22`	`antiphase`	`umbongo has that option. So does gentoo I think, which has a smaler install CD`
`10:32.34`	`jcml__`	`tomsrtbt?`
`10:32.46`	`antiphase`	`old skool`
`10:32.57`	`jcml__`	`f33r my age!!`
`10:33.12`	`wethrin`	`Mmm. tomsrtbt`
`10:33.20`	`wethrin`	`Damn useful bit of software`
`10:33.32`	`jcml__`	`'cept on a Dell or apple ...`
`10:33.35`	`wethrin`	`Rather than OMGTINYLINUX!!!!!! only 150MB!!!!1!!`
`10:34.33`	`wethrin`	`I still have hard drives smaller than that. Mutter mutter`
`10:35.00`	`jcml__`	`ooo - want some more? I'm getting /kicked/ by the SO to get rid of some boxes'o'crap ...`
`10:35.16`	`wethrin`	`Depends.....whatchoo got? :)`
`10:36.53`	`jcml__`	`stuff which I got second hand, put in a box, and could never bring myself to throw away. Think my old HDDs are mixed up with not-my-HDDs, so probably need to destroy them :-( Apart from that, just shedloads of pci cards, isa cards, random cables, etc ...`
`10:36.55`	`morsing`	`Cope: Cool :)`
`10:38.10`	`jcml__`	`+ a couple of old 24-port 10Mbps 1U switches and a 6 port 100(!!!1!)Mbps switch.`
`10:38.26`	`jcml__`	`going free to a good home ...`
`10:38.33`	`wethrin`	`Ehh.`
`10:39.57`	`jcml__`	`I know, I know. I keep /meaning/ to put the 42U rack on the Xmas list, but SWMBO has let me know it just wouldn't be a good idea :-\|`
`10:41.45`	`wethrin`	`But it's space-saving!`
`10:41.50`	`wethrin`	`You can store all your stuff vertically!`
`10:42.06`	`jcml__`	`I tried that one.`
`10:42.28`	`jcml__`	`Apparently, I can just throw /away/ all the stuff that would otherwise need storing in the rack`
`10:42.33`	`wethrin`	`Heresy!`
`10:43.02`	`jcml__`	`"it's all really old, isn't it. And you've not /touched/ that 486 in 3 years ..."`
`10:43.27`	`mozrat`	`jcml__: how long have you has this "wife"? How long have you had all of these computers if you total the amount of time?`
`10:43.41`	`mozrat`	`This could be a rather simple math problem`
`10:43.53`	`Cope`	`morsing: it is ace! I drove an 850 T5 too - was pretty quick :)`
`10:45.25`	`jcml__`	`I know, I know. But the wife has certain sentimental attachments ...`
`10:46.14`	`Cope`	`morsing: why does this cron entry: 0 6,12,18,0 * * * /home/nelsonst/test_cron.sh`
`10:46.20`	`Cope`	`run twice at midnight`
`10:47.43`	`jcml__`	`does anacron get its sweaty mitts in there, somehow?`
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`10:49.21`	`Cope`	`woo keithlard`
`10:49.24`	`wethrin`	`Keef!`
`10:52.37`	`Leeds`	`working on a mac can get very frustrating, since they are often almost, but not quite, PCs`
`10:52.45`	`Leeds`	`uh, s/PCs/Unix boxen/`
`10:53.18`	`mozrat`	`Leeds: are you in London on October 9th?`
`10:53.44`	`Cope`	`What's personal accident cover? Is it worth adding to car insurance for 4 quid a month?`
`10:54.59`	`wethrin`	`Is that if you run yourself over? :)`
`10:55.10`	`wethrin`	`How much of a percentage increase is the �4?`
`10:59.07`	`Cope`	`10%`
`10:59.22`	`Leeds`	`mozrat: no`
`10:59.41`	`mozrat`	`k`
`11:00.05`	`wethrin`	`Cope: Eh. If you think it's worth it`
`11:00.26`	`Cope`	`well I don't know`
`11:00.29`	`Cope`	`am asking you guys!`
`11:01.06`	`mozrat`	`Cope: really depends if taking out that extra insurance means you are over-insured.`
`11:01.18`	`wethrin`	`I don't like insurance companies generally`
`11:01.24`	`mozrat`	`if you already have personal accident cover outside of that policy you may not be bothered`
`11:01.34`	`mozrat`	`if you have none at all... £4 is probably a good idea!`
`11:01.40`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: no, me either`
`11:01.57`	`Cope`	`hrm`
`11:02.02`	`mozrat`	`They rate at the bottom of my list next to "Estate Agents" "US Presidents" and "Windows users"`
`11:02.13`	`wethrin`	`Now, now. There were some very good US presidents`
`11:02.16`	`wethrin`	`About 50 years ago`
`11:02.35`	`mozrat`	`Didn't they shoot that one?`
`11:02.36`	`Leeds`	`mozrat: ah, that's your mac user group talk?`
`11:02.52`	`mozrat`	`Leeds: yah`
`11:02.57`	`mozrat`	`it's in a nice pub`
`11:03.24`	`Leeds`	`mozrat: I suspect my standard technique of treating all computers as running Unix until proven otherwise may not always be the best way of going about things :-)`
`11:03.35`	`mozrat`	`Leeds: HA!`
`11:03.37`	`mozrat`	`;-)`
`11:03.45`	`wethrin`	`Leeds: I think that's an entirely reasonable assumption`
`11:03.54`	`wethrin`	`After all, people wouldn't be asking you for Windows help, now, would they? :)`
`11:04.16`	`Leeds`	`wethrin: not often - but they do ask me for OSX help, which is - as I said above - almost, but not quite Unix`
`11:04.22`	`wethrin`	`True`
`11:04.45`	`jcml__`	`Hmm. What's the right term for a "Windows support booty call"?`
`11:05.13`	`wethrin`	`Penance.`
`11:10.01`	`cpufreak`	`http://www.petitiononline.com/tg100/petition.html`
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`11:20.27`	`morsing`	`Lotto-Kim!`
`11:32.28`	`Leeds`	`got it working... ended up installing esp ghostscript, foomatic and guten-print (previously know as gimp-print) and having to edit /etc/cups/printers.conf by hand - but it's working!`
`11:32.50`	`mozrat`	`easy as that!`
`11:33.54`	`Leeds`	`any mac user would find it trivial!`
`11:34.24`	`Leeds`	`the problem comes down to the fact that the driver from HP for the printer is not what Apple call a 'modern driver' - a cups/ppd-type driver, I assume - so it can only be used for local printing, not networked`
`11:34.54`	`mozrat`	`quite. It was just click.. click... type loads.. restart daemon.. ask IRC.. Google it.. type some more`
`11:34.59`	`Leeds`	`if it was a networked HP printer, that would be a different matter, but it's a USB printer plugged into a no-name networked print server`
`11:36.01`	`Leeds`	`the solution came from solving the problem on my Linux box, then working out how to transfer the solution over :-)`
`11:36.20`	`morsing`	`Nice`
`11:36.50`	`Leeds`	`when all you've got is a hammer, problems start to look an awful lot like nuts...`
`11:37.56`	`Leeds`	`I've got a really nice hammer :-)`
`11:41.45`	`z0d`	`I'd rather have a Hummer.`
`11:42.28`	`morsing`	`Mmm... Lobster`
`11:45.18`	`mozrat`	`z0d: think of the planet dude!`
`11:45.26`	`mozrat`	`those monsters are so unnecessary`
`11:47.22`	`z0d`	`Maybe. But they're almost indestructible and look great.`
`11:49.33`	`mozrat`	`They look better in an environment where they may actually be useful (like mountains or a war zone) rather than Oxford St. where I seem to keep seeing them`
`11:49.53`	`wethrin`	`mozrat: But THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!!!11!!`
`11:50.01`	`wethrin`	`How else can they be taken to school?`
`11:50.03`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: :-)`
`11:50.17`	`z0d`	`They should be fueled with water.`
`11:50.28`	`z0d`	`(I don't mean the children.)`
`11:50.43`	`wethrin`	`They should be fuelled with the wailing and gnashing of overrun pedestrians`
`11:51.06`	`antiphase`	`The restart of the school run has had a shocking effect on the length of my journey to work`
`11:51.10`	`antiphase`	`Stupid lazy children`
`11:51.22`	`mozrat`	`Mine get the bus :-)`
`11:51.25`	`antiphase`	`but OMG paedophiles!`
`11:51.43`	`wethrin`	`I got the bus to grammar school`
`11:52.03`	`wethrin`	`Got a lift to my earlier schooling, but that's because there weren't any buses, and it was in a different town`
`11:52.18`	`wethrin`	`antiphase: Oxford Street is full of paedophiles?`
`11:53.49`	`antiphase`	`Can't say I've noticed any. There aren't enough shrubs anyway`
`11:57.25`	`Leeds`	`I got the bus to school until I could drive myself...`
`12:11.43`	`Lotto-Kim`	`morsing:D`
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`12:56.40`	`cpufreak`	`jcml__: did you answer my question earlier?`
`12:56.42`	`cpufreak`	`I ran off coz of work`
`12:56.47`	`cpufreak`	`do you have working sound @ work?`
`12:56.52`	`cpufreak`	`if so, watch: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaasDfKC9oo`
`13:00.16`	`jcml__`	`was that the bus one?`
`13:00.20`	`jcml__`	`watched it :-)`
`13:00.36`	`jcml__`	`without sound, tho - is it important?`
`13:00.54`	`cpufreak`	`you need sound.`
`13:06.03`	`Cope`	`"Who is the coolest guy in the hospital?"`
`13:06.09`	`Cope`	`...`
`13:06.30`	`Cope`	`"The ultra-sound guy!" :o)`
`13:08.21`	`Cope`	`and...`
`13:09.05`	`Cope`	`A biochemist walks into a bar and says: I'd like a pint of adenosine triphosphate, please.`
`13:09.22`	`Cope`	`The barman smiles, and says: "That'll be 80p"`
`13:09.26`	`mozrat`	`he nearly loses it?`
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`13:11.48`	`jcml__`	`cpufreak: that. is. genius.`
`13:13.52`	`Cope`	`the video thing?`
`13:14.00`	`jcml__`	`yep`
`13:14.12`	`jcml__`	`The voiceover is brilliant :-)`
`13:14.30`	`cpufreak`	`it works best if you know antiphase.`
`13:14.31`	`jcml__`	`the video's not too exciting (well, unless going fast in a bus does it for you), but the VO is /class/`
`13:14.52`	`jcml__`	`Ah! /Thought/ I recognised it! :-)`
`13:14.53`	`jcml__`	`hehehe`
`13:15.12`	`jcml__`	`antiphase: WhenTF did you get your hands on one of those?`
`13:22.35`	`antiphase`	`A Volvo B10M? I used to drive buses in and around Bath`
`13:23.09`	`cup`	`How do I write an initrd file which is independant of the booting media, currently mine refers to hda but I might be booting from sda?`
`13:25.28`	`antiphase`	`Why would an initrd have anything about your exact setup in it?`
`13:27.14`	`cup`	`because I am not very good at writing them? It has mount in it which uses /dev/hda2 and then pivot_root`
`13:29.16`	`cup`	`all the initrd I googled on the web seem to do this, is that wrong?`
`13:29.43`	`antiphase`	`It seems rather peculiar. What are you trying to do?`
`13:30.19`	`jcml__`	`antiphase: Cool :-) weekend hobby, or F/T job?`
`13:30.56`	`antiphase`	`jcml__: Started off as the former, ended up being the latter for some time after university`
`13:31.18`	`jcml__`	`nice :-)`
`13:31.27`	`jcml__`	`did you ever beat that top speed?`
`13:33.11`	`cup`	`just learning linux, trying my make an OS that will boot of USB of hard disk without any problems`
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`13:38.10`	`antiphase`	`Sounds like a noble cause. Can't see the point myself though, and I think you'll have problems unless you can find a bootloader that can do things that grub and lilo can't ;)`
`13:39.18`	`wethrin`	`Okay - what's the current best Linux rescue CD out there?`
`13:39.41`	`cup`	`cheers anyway`
`13:39.50`	`Cope`	`you want to rescue your machine from linux? I'd suggest a netbsd cd`
`13:39.51`	`z0d`	`Though Knoppix is not considered a rescue CD, I have had good experiences with it.`
`13:40.13`	`wethrin`	`Cope: No - need to rescue a machine with Linux. Hopefully`
`13:40.23`	`wethrin`	`Something that'll talk NTFS is important`
`13:41.33`	`Cope`	`STFMLA`
`13:41.52`	`Cope`	`I recommended one a while back - very good indeed - although i can't recall it's name any more.`
`13:42.13`	`wethrin`	`Okay. Thanks. Was just wondering if there was any current favourite here`
`13:42.28`	`Cope`	`yeah... erm - i just can't remember it's name!`
`13:44.13`	`Cope`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:44.25`	`Cope`	`all the tools you need - see http://www.sysresccd.org/`
`13:44.56`	`wethrin`	`I just found that`
`13:45.04`	`wethrin`	`Cope: it's??`
`13:45.06`	`wethrin`	`shame!`
`13:48.17`	`wethrin`	`Cope: http://www.thechap.net/alumnus.html - you might find it amusing`
`13:59.32`	`morsing`	`Moo`
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`14:51.46`	`mozrat`	`ouchy`
`14:51.58`	`mozrat`	`I'm doing my expenses from Milan`
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`14:59.10`	`phearless`	`hya`
`14:59.12`	`phearless`	`heya`
`14:59.17`	`phearless`	`I got a big big problem`
`15:00.10`	`sabinef72`	`is it a geek problem`
`15:00.13`	`sabinef72`	`?`
`15:00.15`	`phearless`	`yes`
`15:00.17`	`phearless`	`Fatal server error:`
`15:00.18`	`phearless`	`no screens found`
`15:00.23`	`phearless`	`fedora = not working`
`15:00.28`	`phearless`	`ubuntu = not working`
`15:00.36`	`phearless`	`windows = it works`
`15:00.45`	`Lotto-Kim`	`suse? :)`
`15:01.43`	`phearless`	`i am not in the mood to joke with suze`
`15:02.13`	`mozrat`	`phearless: knoppix? and then "borrow" the xorg.conf file`
`15:02.17`	`z0d`	`phearless: What video card do you have?`
`15:02.25`	`phearless`	`lspci \|grep ATI`
`15:02.25`	`phearless`	`0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV370 5B62 [Radeon X600 (PCIE)]`
`15:02.25`	`phearless`	`0000:01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon X600(RV380)`
`15:02.58`	`antiphase`	`Install some drivers ;P`
`15:03.07`	`phearless`	`mozrat: i have not modified xorg.conf`
`15:03.22`	`mozrat`	`phearless: it just broke?`
`15:03.31`	`phearless`	`yes`
`15:03.34`	`phearless`	`i was usuing fedora`
`15:03.48`	`z0d`	`phearless: Did an upgrade break it?`
`15:03.48`	`phearless`	`and my feet hurted the cable of the graphic card this morning`
`15:04.07`	`phearless`	`and since this, xorg is dead`
`15:04.25`	`phearless`	`i remove the GC, re-plugged it, etc`
`15:04.48`	`phearless`	`antiphase what are you talking about ?`
`15:05.27`	`antiphase`	`ATI gfx cards are horrible`
`15:05.51`	`phearless`	`it is not the topic`
`15:07.11`	`mozrat`	`phearless: you think you might have physically damaged the card?`
`15:07.53`	`phearless`	`maybe !`
`15:08.00`	`phearless`	`but on windows everything works`
`15:08.20`	`phearless`	`it was my first boot on windows with this PC`
`15:08.44`	`phearless`	`maybe the DVI cable is damaged?`
`15:09.26`	`z0d`	`But even if the cable was damaged, X wouldn't notice.`
`15:10.56`	`z0d`	`phearless: Are you sure your Xorg.conf wasn't modified?`
`15:11.18`	`z0d`	`Do you have the ATI driver loaded?`
`15:13.40`	`phearless`	`what is the name of the module ?`
`15:15.27`	`SlayerXP`	`getting 3d enabled with a 64 bit driver was a bit of a pest`
`15:15.33`	`SlayerXP`	`bloody quick when I did`
`15:15.52`	`phearless`	`agpgart 34888 1 intel_agp`
`15:16.01`	`phearless`	`intel_agp 22940 1`
`15:16.13`	`phearless`	`video 16260 0`
`15:16.24`	`phearless`	`i do not see any fglrx or ati modules loaded`
`15:17.05`	`z0d`	`I don't know the name of your ATI driver.`
`15:17.12`	`z0d`	`Never owned an ATI.`
`15:17.49`	`mozrat`	`free software module is "radeon", closed evil one is "ati" AFAIK`
`15:18.51`	`phearless`	`no ati or radeon`
`15:18.51`	`SlayerXP`	`no, the evil one is fglsomethingortheother`
`15:19.00`	`phearless`	`I am installing xorg-driver-fglrx`
`15:19.41`	`phearless`	`<reboot>...`
`15:20.36`	`antiphase`	`You may also find it instructive to look at the log`
`15:20.46`	`SlayerXP`	`why would you need to reboot to change an x driver?`
`15:22.10`	`phearless`	`antiphase, the first thing that I pasted was from the log`
`15:22.24`	`phearless`	`SlayerXP, to load the fglrxsomething kernel module`
`15:22.38`	`SlayerXP`	`phearless: modprobe`
`15:22.49`	`antiphase`	`Driver "fglrx" in xorg.conf works for me`
`15:22.58`	`SlayerXP`	`phearless: see also "rmmod"`
`15:24.31`	`phearless`	`i know modprobe and rmmod, but I do not know what to load`
`15:24.32`	`trousers`	`Howyd y'all`
`15:24.35`	`phearless`	`ok`
`15:25.02`	`phearless`	`it owrks`
`15:25.05`	`phearless`	`it works`
`15:25.53`	`Cope`	`rar`
`15:26.05`	`phearless`	`i come on irc back via my normal pc....`
`15:26.21`	`SlayerXP`	`phearless: given that you've type the name of the module into the X config file.....`
`15:28.41`	`wethrin`	`Mmm...IO errors`
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`15:31.45`	`morsing`	`PussInBoots!`
`15:34.39`	`Cope`	`DickWhittington!`
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`15:47.53`	`morsing`	`:(`
`15:51.40`	`Leeds`	`?`
`16:03.23`	`mozrat`	`Leeds, can you op me please`
`16:04.09`	`*** mode/#gllug [+o mozrat] by ChanServ`
`16:04.34`	`z0d`	`mozrat: Feel the power`
`16:05.29`	`mozrat`	`woo !`
`16:06.08`	`*** topic/#gllug by mozrat -> Greater London Linux User Group - Next event is 30th September - Anti-DRM demonstration. Regents Street. http://gllug.org.uk http://planet.gllug.org.uk`
`16:06.27`	`mozrat`	`Not quite an �"event" but should be worth going anyway`
`16:06.34`	`*** mode/#gllug [-o mozrat] by mozrat`
`16:08.30`	`mozrat`	`I wonder if I can make child sized HAZMAT suits in time?`
`16:09.18`	`z0d`	`What could be more HAZMAT than mozrat with ops?`
`16:09.43`	`mozrat`	`Indeed!`
`16:12.01`	`wethrin`	`Hm. outside the Apple Store? That'll be popular...`
`16:13.17`	`wethrin`	`Oh, mozrat - I'd really like a Hazmat suit, if you could grab one....`
`16:15.44`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: I think they are taking them back to the US`
`16:25.37`	`wethrin`	`Oh. That's a bit rubbish of them`
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`16:29.24`	`Lotto-Kim`	`Regents Street, is that the street left for oxford circle?`
`16:29.25`	`mozrat`	`s/protest/promotion/g`
`16:29.42`	`mozrat`	`Lotto-Kim: well - depends which way you are walking :-)`
`16:29.45`	`mozrat`	`but - yes. it is`
`16:30.00`	`Lotto-Kim`	`thanks:)`
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`16:54.32`	`Leeds`	`note to self: python is not SQL - don't use 'where' in filters in list comprehensions`
`17:33.00`	`z0d`	`Anybody using darcs in his $HOME?`
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`20:25.39`	`andrew___`	`anyone aaround ?`
`20:27.14`	`Leeds`	`nope`
`20:27.31`	`Leeds`	`well, I am pretty round, but I don't like being referred to that way`
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`21:09.01`	`*** topic/#gllug is Greater London Linux User Group - Next event is 30th September - Anti-DRM demonstration. Regents Street. http://gllug.org.uk http://planet.gllug.org.uk`
`21:38.07`	`Leeds`	`argh!`
`21:51.10`	`murb`	`Leeds: how?`
`21:52.00`	`Leeds`	`what do you mean? got a £20.01 bill and a £20 voucher to apply, meaning they just took 1p off my c/c`
`22:07.00`	`Leeds`	`hmm... zimki?`
`22:36.21`	`mozrat`	`Who is Diana Scott??`
`22:36.31`	`mozrat`	`She seems determined to stick with using Linux`
`22:37.13`	`antiphase`	`Must be Henry Gilbert's alter-ego`
`22:37.38`	`z0d`	`Who is Henry Gilbert?`
`22:37.57`	`mozrat`	`So confusing`
`22:38.22`	`Leeds`	`do we have any reason to believe that Henry is Diana, or is it just a guess?`
`22:38.31`	`mozrat`	`z0d: Henry and Diana are both forever famous in GLLUG fokelore for being a little bizarre`
`22:38.58`	`mozrat`	`Leeds: just because they both started wibbling on together in the same thread at the same time having never been heard of before`
`22:39.55`	`antiphase`	`The schizo sockpuppet face of gllug`
`23:09.14`	`mozrat`	`ugh, it's tomorrow already?`
`23:09.17`	`mozrat`	`NightNight`
`23:09.31`	`Leeds`	`night`
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