07:49.56 | mozrat | Morning |
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08:30.49 | kbsingh | morning / afternoon all |
08:30.55 | mozrat | Morning kbsingh |
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08:40.17 | mozrat | morsing, good morning to you |
08:43.20 | Cope | goooooood morning |
08:43.35 | gregj | morning lads |
08:44.09 | wethrin | HELLO |
08:44.45 | mozrat | hi |
08:46.38 | Cope | about what? |
08:47.02 | mozrat | just the Clive Bull show |
08:47.13 | mozrat | mindless chatter but it kills the silence in my office |
08:47.20 | wethrin | Shout very loudly |
08:47.43 | Cope | mozrat: you have silence in your office? |
08:47.45 | Cope | wow |
08:47.56 | wethrin | morsing: GOOD MORNING |
08:48.03 | mozrat | Cope, pretty much... people in training today |
08:48.29 | Cope | ah |
09:18.18 | gregj | ibot change 50 USD to PLN |
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10:08.56 | mozrat | Morning Leeds |
10:09.19 | Leeds | hi |
10:11.51 | Leeds | don't suppose you have any suggestions for some sane way to create an org/flow chart on Linux which will then be easy for someone else to manipulate on Windows? |
10:12.48 | rhowe | Leeds: Not especially. I'd use Smartdraw on Windows for that |
10:13.03 | rhowe | Leeds: dia might be able to save into something that can be read on Windows, but I wouldn't bet on it |
10:13.34 | rhowe | Leeds: you could try doing it in OpenOffice Writer and hope that the export-to-Word stuff is good enough to get all your lines and boxes in the right place I guess |
10:13.47 | rhowe | Leeds: Or, you could teach people to use dot :) |
10:14.01 | mozrat | ASCII! |
10:16.40 | Leeds | http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~huluvu/WinFIG.htm :-) |
10:18.23 | wethrin | Leeds also likes Slackware. 'nuff said |
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10:54.48 | mozrat | Hello all |
10:54.56 | mozrat | morsing, AngelChild etc |
11:07.40 | morsing | mozrat! |
11:07.53 | morsing | AngelChild! |
11:54.28 | mozrat | http://www.beerandspeech.org/uploads/Images//Date/20050921/metroletter.png |
11:59.01 | Leeds | wow, that's loading slowly here... |
12:00.58 | mozrat | jeez - 500k bit bigger than I though |
12:01.00 | mozrat | thought |
12:05.51 | Leeds | it is done |
12:06.30 | mozrat | I think compressing it more would make it unreadable |
12:06.39 | mozrat | it's fairly bad as it is |
12:10.40 | Leeds | everything is slow here at the moment - I don't know why |
12:10.52 | mozrat | Leeds, do you like the planet GLLUG header? http://planet.gllug.org.uk/images/planetgllug.png |
12:18.00 | Leeds | yes, I do |
12:19.38 | Leeds | but the more important question is why I'm not on there! :-) |
12:21.00 | mozrat | What is your URL? I'll tell Dean |
12:23.12 | Leeds | priorityinversion.org - not that it's frequently updated... |
12:24.20 | mozrat | Cool, I never knew you had a blog |
12:26.47 | Leeds | seems like the thing to have, nowadays |
12:27.07 | mozrat | indeed |
12:27.37 | mozrat | I sent Dean some css for the site, I hope he's going to beautify it tonight |
12:34.21 | mozrat | Leeds, does it have a RSS feed? |
12:35.49 | Leeds | should do, as a link element |
12:37.29 | mozrat | I like the facts about HK |
12:37.31 | mozrat | interesting |
12:39.18 | Leeds | thanks |
12:39.23 | Leeds | should really add a SL one |
12:45.15 | JAV | hello! |
12:46.11 | JAV | mozrat: you changed the planet gllug header, actual one is great too |
13:02.37 | mozrat | JAV, thanks :) |
13:03.12 | mozrat | I have a major problem with using vnc2swf for some documentation.. I keep F*CKING the demo up |
13:28.21 | mozrat | bah |
13:28.25 | mozrat | I'll screenshot it |
13:29.16 | mozrat | oooh, man from Metro says he is considering publishing my reply to that letter about Linux in tomorrows print |
13:33.48 | wethrin | oh? |
13:33.53 | wethrin | what letter? |
13:34.04 | mozrat | I wrote in and said Linux is OK but the differing command line switches between differnet GNU utilities was a problem |
13:34.10 | mozrat | apparently it was an interesting letter :) |
13:34.29 | wethrin | What did the original letter say? |
13:34.35 | wethrin | Bear in mind I'm not currently a Metro reader |
13:34.38 | mozrat | www.beerandspeech.org |
13:34.49 | mozrat | or better |
13:34.59 | mozrat | planet.gllug.org.uk |
13:35.16 | wethrin | mm |
13:38.44 | wethrin | Has some troubles with UTF8-mangling |
13:39.15 | mozrat | planet or mine? |
13:39.22 | wethrin | Planet |
13:39.32 | wethrin | See Steven Goodwin's entries (the second one of his) |
13:40.11 | mozrat | yes |
13:45.49 | Cope | yes |
14:05.23 | Leeds | hometime... have a nice rest of day, all |
14:05.26 | George | HEY!!!!!! |
14:05.47 | Leeds | it's the bot! |
14:06.13 | Leeds | hey George |
14:06.17 | George | hey |
14:08.24 | mozrat | George!! |
14:08.29 | George | mozrat!!!!!! |
14:08.35 | George | mozrat: I'm getting my thinkpad in half term |
14:08.47 | George | I've also decided to build an 8km wireless network |
14:10.38 | mozrat | George: from me or are you getting it somewhere else? |
14:10.58 | George | somewhere else |
14:11.01 | mozrat | k |
14:11.07 | mozrat | the wireless stuff sounds very cool |
14:11.10 | George | yeah |
14:11.11 | mozrat | are you sure it will work> |
14:11.13 | mozrat | ? |
14:11.15 | George | nope :) |
14:11.21 | George | initial calculations seem promising |
14:11.27 | George | I need to confirm I have line of sight |
14:11.36 | George | so I need a telescope. |
14:11.45 | George | basically, I'm going to create a network from school to home |
14:11.51 | George | the school network sucks sufficiently. |
14:12.21 | mozrat | do you have line of sight into your dorm room???? |
14:15.50 | George | yes |
14:15.58 | George | as I say, I've got to confirm |
14:16.02 | George | but I'm pretty certain I do |
14:16.10 | George | if I don't, it'll be something silly like a tree in the way |
14:17.09 | mozrat | which can be easily fixed by a chainsaw for example |
14:17.27 | George | hahhahahahaha |
14:17.32 | George | have you seen the view from my window? |
14:17.57 | George | http://www.gwright.org.uk/images/?dir=pictures/School/Sixth%20Form/View |
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14:25.12 | morsing_ | Afternoon |
14:34.28 | wethrin | Hello |
14:34.57 | George | it's wethrin. |
14:35.03 | wethrin | It's George |
14:36.52 | wethrin | That looks almost like not-London |
14:37.16 | wethrin | Were is not for the big Wembley arch |
14:37.48 | George | wethrin: why? |
14:37.56 | wethrin | Far too green |
14:38.03 | George | heh. |
14:38.11 | George | that's the school's conservation area |
14:38.33 | wethrin | Oh, does FsPHPGallery support having photo 'albums'? (or, rather, photo sets?) |
14:38.38 | wethrin | Ahh. |
14:38.39 | George | not afaik |
14:38.49 | George | it's basically our back garden :) |
14:38.55 | wethrin | heh |
14:39.26 | wethrin | George: Or does it work by looking at the directory specified on the URL? |
14:39.45 | George | it's filesystem based |
14:39.52 | George | so yeah |
14:40.19 | wethrin | Doesn't look into subdirectories, then? |
14:40.24 | George | yes |
14:40.34 | George | http://www.gwright.org.uk/images/index.php?dir=pictures |
14:40.36 | George | see? |
14:41.31 | wethrin | Hrmmm |
14:42.35 | wethrin | how do you ensure people don't type in silly things to the URL? |
14:43.04 | George | I didn't write it. |
14:43.13 | wethrin | You beta-tested it |
14:43.25 | wethrin | Presumable you must have type in index.php?dir=../../../etc ? |
14:43.33 | George | yeah |
14:43.37 | George | that's illegal :P |
14:43.46 | wethrin | Aha. Yes. Yes it is |
14:43.58 | wethrin | Lovely. |
14:44.00 | George | and if you try it, it'll probably send me an email |
14:44.06 | wethrin | Oh? |
14:44.18 | George | yeah, just got an email |
14:44.23 | George | 129.234.4.76 tried to abuse /images/index.php?dir=pictures/Desktop/.. |
14:44.26 | wethrin | Ahh :-) |
14:44.30 | wethrin | That's not my IP address. |
14:44.33 | wethrin | Whoop |
14:44.46 | George | ...? |
14:44.54 | wethrin | Webcrash |
14:46.06 | George | ??? |
14:46.16 | wethrin | Webcache |
14:46.27 | George | ah |
14:46.35 | George | .dur.ac.uk? |
14:47.30 | wethrin | Yes |
14:47.49 | George | note to self: dur.ac.uk uses a horrid webcaching system |
14:48.18 | wethrin | Squiddy |
14:48.47 | wethrin | And you have to use it if you want to get web traffic out |
14:48.53 | George | out? |
14:49.04 | wethrin | This then broke National Rail enquiries. But it now works, as National Rail have fixed their website |
14:51.31 | George | heh |
14:53.09 | wethrin | Heh |
14:54.03 | George | openvpn doesn't like the new network settings |
14:54.07 | George | basically I have an http proxy |
14:54.21 | wethrin | :-) |
14:54.30 | George | which is in a different subnet to myself, so I need to use some default gateway to access it |
14:54.46 | wethrin | Sounds slightly complex |
14:54.53 | George | I then use httptunnel and ssh to give me access to my openvpn server |
14:55.09 | George | when I connect, openvpn then changes all my routing tables sufficiently that I can no longer access the http proxy |
14:55.11 | wethrin | Why can't you use your network like a normal person? |
14:55.14 | George | thus killing everything |
14:55.25 | George | wethrin: I have only got http acccess, and content filtering |
14:55.29 | George | wethrin: ssh is a must |
14:55.30 | George | A MUST. |
14:55.31 | wethrin | That smells |
14:55.37 | wethrin | Why can't the admins open ssh? |
14:55.45 | George | because we don't have NAT or anything |
14:55.47 | George | only an http proxy |
14:56.00 | wethrin | ick |
14:56.15 | wethrin | And you're all on RFC1918 IP ranges? |
14:56.21 | George | and ssh would mean that students could do stuff like set up http proxies on their home systems and use ssh port forwarding :) |
14:56.27 | George | I'm in 10.157.x.x |
14:56.30 | wethrin | Heh |
14:56.35 | wethrin | And how many students would actually do that? |
14:56.42 | George | me? |
14:56.46 | George | I've done it before :) |
14:57.00 | George | I have a backup squid server running on my system at home which I can ssh into if I'm in a catastrophe :P |
14:57.12 | wethrin | Other than you |
14:57.20 | George | erm |
14:57.28 | George | lots of people do everything they can to circumvent the systems |
14:57.40 | George | hrmm, my ppp over ssh tunnel appears to be bust |
14:57.51 | wethrin | That's because the system sucks. Let it police itself |
14:58.06 | wethrin | Students will be fed up of browsing porn after a couple of weeks |
14:58.16 | George | we're all minors |
14:58.24 | George | they're scared of being sued by angry rich parents |
14:58.40 | wethrin | Just give them all a good rodgering |
14:59.37 | George | heh |
15:00.22 | George | hrmm, interesting |
15:00.23 | George | 8Mbit down |
15:18.17 | George | yay |
15:18.20 | George | openvpn works |
15:36.15 | morsing_ | http://jonjupp.plus.com/cgi-bin/ciffl.cgi |
15:52.33 | wethrin | hm |
16:01.58 | mozrat | go and get fucked |
16:02.05 | mozrat | ARGGHHH |
16:02.07 | mozrat | wrong window |
16:02.13 | mozrat | that was one of my passwords |
16:02.16 | mozrat | buggeration |
16:02.22 | wethrin | was morsing_'s link that bad? |
16:02.23 | wethrin | Password for what? :) |
16:02.30 | mozrat | wethrin: never you mind |
16:02.37 | mozrat | an awkward client :) |
16:02.40 | George | there we go |
16:02.50 | wethrin | Heheh |
16:03.51 | rhowe | mozrat: y'see, if you hadn't said that was a password, nobody would ever have known :) |
16:04.01 | mozrat | yes, I know |
16:04.13 | mozrat | but I'd have to explain it one way or the other |
16:04.18 | wethrin | Yes. Just stick with 'wrong window', and we'll assume you were talking to George :-) |
16:04.25 | mozrat | :) |
16:04.25 | rhowe | mozrat: "wrong window" :) |
16:07.12 | George | moo |
16:09.11 | wethrin | oom |
16:12.00 | George | just sorting out my email. woo. |
16:13.05 | wethrin | rm |
16:20.05 | George | ahh, the joys of GPG signed messages again |
16:20.09 | wethrin | joys? |
16:29.17 | George | yeah. JOYS. |
16:31.00 | wethrin | UNBOUNDED joys?## |
16:35.44 | morsing_ | Where can I get PB Blaster? |
16:36.11 | wethrin | google? |
16:36.18 | morsing_ | wethrin: No |
16:36.35 | wethrin | Oh |
16:39.33 | rhowe | hm, has anyone ever used cable markers? |
16:39.43 | wethrin | those little tags? |
16:39.49 | morsing_ | http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Elastoplast |
16:40.07 | morsing_ | rhowe: No - Have you ever used PB Blaster? |
16:40.16 | rhowe | wethrin: hm.. looking at a picture and not quite sure how they're supposed to work |
16:40.19 | rhowe | morsing_: Never heard of it |
16:40.36 | morsing_ | rhowe: It's like WD40 but a 100 times better |
16:41.03 | rhowe | morsing_: Ah, yes, WD40 I have heard of |
16:41.21 | wethrin | rhowe: Aren't they just cable ties with a bit of extra plastic to write on? |
16:41.32 | rhowe | wethrin: http://www.videkonline.co.uk/pictures/cFull/5314.jpg |
16:41.35 | rhowe | wethrin: Oh, those I can see |
16:41.50 | rhowe | wethrin: They are "Marker Cable Ties" |
16:41.56 | rhowe | wethrin: This little gadget, I have no idea how to use |
16:42.08 | wethrin | No idea. It looks like a proper from the Matrix films |
16:42.33 | rhowe | wethrin: It says that it's particularly appropriate for cable with a diameter between 2.5 and 5mm |
16:42.57 | rhowe | wethrin: Just trying to work out how it applies the marker.. whether it's a sticker, or whether it's a band that goes around the cable or what |
16:44.00 | rhowe | wethrin: Still, it seems expensive at £35+VAT |
16:44.20 | wethrin | Indeed |
16:44.21 | wethrin | Don't buy it |
16:45.15 | rhowe | But I want to go on a cable-labelling binge :) |
16:45.48 | George | hey rhowe |
16:48.08 | wethrin | Buy the tags |
16:49.46 | rhowe | hey George |
16:50.03 | rhowe | wethrin: I could try and get the £68 Big Box of labels :) |
16:50.09 | wethrin | ooooooh |
16:50.13 | rhowe | wethrin: I could label all the cables in the world then!!! |
16:50.14 | wethrin | Well, if the company is paying :) |
16:50.18 | wethrin | muahahahaha |
16:50.20 | rhowe | heh, don't think I can get away with it |
16:50.23 | wethrin | Oh, and get a job in Durham! |
16:50.32 | rhowe | "Self laminating cable labels" |
16:50.33 | rhowe | ooh |
16:50.38 | rhowe | self laminating!! |
16:50.44 | wethrin | ?? |
16:50.56 | rhowe | laser printable! |
18:00.12 | George | which one of you munchkins is responsible for planet gllug? |
18:03.20 | wethrin | mozrat :) |
18:03.23 | wethrin | and Dean |
18:03.38 | wethrin | If you don't want your blog on there, ask him to remove it |
18:04.58 | George | moo |
18:05.06 | George | wethrin: that makes no sense whatsoever. |
18:05.16 | wethrin | what? |
18:05.20 | wethrin | wiki.gllug doesn't work |
18:05.25 | George | 19:07 * wethrin accuses wiki.gllug.org.uk of being broken |
18:05.34 | George | moo |
18:05.40 | wethrin | Yes - why doesn't that make sense? |
18:05.44 | wethrin | Try it |
18:05.45 | George | I don't know |
18:05.54 | wethrin | silly boy |
18:06.03 | George | oh hush |
18:06.12 | George | before I moo at you |
18:06.19 | George | do you want to read my personal statement? |
18:06.39 | wethrin | moo |
18:06.39 | wethrin | Sure |
18:07.37 | George | wethrin: check /query you mooooopet |
18:08.07 | stephen | ( ) |
18:08.07 | stephen | <PROTECTED> |
18:08.08 | stephen | <PROTECTED> |
18:08.14 | stephen | moo to you too |
18:08.15 | George | I love cows. |
18:08.22 | George | they're so bovine |
18:08.39 | wethrin | George: I DID |
18:08.45 | wethrin | They also taste nice |
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18:32.38 | morsing_ | new2unix! |
18:32.58 | new2unix | hi Morsing |
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20:27.09 | morsing_ | AndrewBlack! |
20:28.34 | mozrat | good evening |
21:10.03 | George | *BURP* |
21:10.07 | George | just eaten a fryup |
21:10.07 | George | blah |
21:12.09 | wethrin | Fat bastard |
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21:35.04 | George | wethrin: damn right |
21:35.14 | George | 4 sausages and 4 eggs all in a sandwich |
21:35.15 | George | mmmmm |
21:35.55 | wethrin | Fat bastard! |
21:36.00 | George | MMMMM |
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21:51.39 | zachary | ello |
21:52.33 | wethrin | hey |
21:53.43 | zachary | I'm in the process of buying a house. |
21:54.44 | zachary | wethrin: What's the latest and greatest news? |
21:55.27 | wethrin | Oooh. Nice. Nothing particularly great :) |
21:55.41 | wethrin | All fairly quiet on this side of the ocean |
21:57.11 | zachary | I might be the founder of the Hampton Unix Group or HUG. I really didn't want to start the Virginia Beach Unix User Grup or VBUUG |
21:57.20 | wethrin | :-) |
21:57.25 | wethrin | Cool |
21:58.24 | zachary | I really miss meetings. They only hold meeting here on thurdays. |
21:58.49 | wethrin | Is Thursday bad? |
22:00.14 | zachary | yea, Wife's schedule is messed up. Her job just shiften into having duty every three days, and they do not get off work until six. |
22:00.29 | wethrin | Ahh :-/ |
22:00.32 | wethrin | That sucks a bit |
22:01.27 | zachary | no, it sucks and blows at the same time. It's like a blowjob, but you make a cringing face. |
22:01.39 | wethrin | riiight... |
22:02.32 | zachary | I could also use a good two hours with my wife in the bedroom. But I'd settle for 15 minutes. |
22:05.05 | wethrin | Ah. She's away from home that much? |
22:06.02 | zachary | Deployments every other week until Christmas. Then she has a six month deployment next spring. |
22:06.12 | wethrin | Wwhere? |
22:07.01 | zachary | Don't know, but I don't think it has anything to do with Iraq. |
22:07.10 | wethrin | Hm :-/ |