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07:49.56mozratMorning
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08:30.49kbsinghmorning / afternoon all
08:30.55mozratMorning kbsingh
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08:40.17mozratmorsing, good morning to you
08:43.20Copegoooooood morning
08:43.35gregjmorning lads
08:44.09wethrinHELLO
08:44.45mozrathi
08:46.38Copeabout what?
08:47.02mozratjust the Clive Bull show
08:47.13mozratmindless chatter but it kills the silence in my office
08:47.20wethrinShout very loudly
08:47.43Copemozrat: you have silence in your office?
08:47.45Copewow
08:47.56wethrinmorsing: GOOD MORNING
08:48.03mozratCope, pretty much... people in training today
08:48.29Copeah
09:18.18gregjibot change 50 USD to PLN
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10:08.56mozratMorning Leeds
10:09.19Leedshi
10:11.51Leedsdon't suppose you have any suggestions for some sane way to create an org/flow chart on Linux which will then be easy for someone else to manipulate on Windows?
10:12.48rhoweLeeds: Not especially. I'd use Smartdraw on Windows for that
10:13.03rhoweLeeds: dia might be able to save into something that can be read on Windows, but I wouldn't bet on it
10:13.34rhoweLeeds: you could try doing it in OpenOffice Writer and hope that the export-to-Word stuff is good enough to get all your lines and boxes in the right place I guess
10:13.47rhoweLeeds: Or, you could teach people to use dot :)
10:14.01mozratASCII!
10:16.40Leedshttp://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~huluvu/WinFIG.htm :-)
10:18.23wethrinLeeds also likes Slackware. 'nuff said
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10:54.48mozratHello all
10:54.56mozratmorsing, AngelChild etc
11:07.40morsingmozrat!
11:07.53morsingAngelChild!
11:54.28mozrathttp://www.beerandspeech.org/uploads/Images//Date/20050921/metroletter.png
11:59.01Leedswow, that's loading slowly here...
12:00.58mozratjeez - 500k bit bigger than I though
12:01.00mozratthought
12:05.51Leedsit is done
12:06.30mozratI think compressing it more would make it unreadable
12:06.39mozratit's fairly bad as it is
12:10.40Leedseverything is slow here at the moment - I don't know why
12:10.52mozratLeeds, do you like the planet GLLUG header? http://planet.gllug.org.uk/images/planetgllug.png
12:18.00Leedsyes, I do
12:19.38Leedsbut the more important question is why I'm not on there! :-)
12:21.00mozratWhat is your URL? I'll tell Dean
12:23.12Leedspriorityinversion.org - not that it's frequently updated...
12:24.20mozratCool, I never knew you had a blog
12:26.47Leedsseems like the thing to have, nowadays
12:27.07mozratindeed
12:27.37mozratI sent Dean some css for the site, I hope he's going to beautify it tonight
12:34.21mozratLeeds, does it have a RSS feed?
12:35.49Leedsshould do, as a link element
12:37.29mozratI like the facts about HK
12:37.31mozratinteresting
12:39.18Leedsthanks
12:39.23Leedsshould really add a SL one
12:45.15JAVhello!
12:46.11JAVmozrat: you changed the planet gllug header, actual one is great too
13:02.37mozratJAV, thanks :)
13:03.12mozratI have a major problem with using vnc2swf for some documentation.. I keep F*CKING the demo up
13:28.21mozratbah
13:28.25mozratI'll screenshot it
13:29.16mozratoooh, man from Metro says he is considering publishing my reply to that letter about Linux in tomorrows print
13:33.48wethrinoh?
13:33.53wethrinwhat letter?
13:34.04mozratI wrote in and said Linux is OK but the differing command line switches between differnet GNU utilities was a problem
13:34.10mozratapparently it was an interesting letter :)
13:34.29wethrinWhat did the original letter say?
13:34.35wethrinBear in mind I'm not currently a Metro reader
13:34.38mozratwww.beerandspeech.org
13:34.49mozrator better
13:34.59mozratplanet.gllug.org.uk
13:35.16wethrinmm
13:38.44wethrinHas some troubles with UTF8-mangling
13:39.15mozratplanet or mine?
13:39.22wethrinPlanet
13:39.32wethrinSee Steven Goodwin's entries (the second one of his)
13:40.11mozratyes
13:45.49Copeyes
14:05.23Leedshometime... have a nice rest of day, all
14:05.26GeorgeHEY!!!!!!
14:05.47Leedsit's the bot!
14:06.13Leedshey George
14:06.17Georgehey
14:08.24mozratGeorge!!
14:08.29Georgemozrat!!!!!!
14:08.35Georgemozrat: I'm getting my thinkpad in half term
14:08.47GeorgeI've also decided to build an 8km wireless network
14:10.38mozratGeorge:  from me or are you getting it somewhere else?
14:10.58Georgesomewhere else
14:11.01mozratk
14:11.07mozratthe wireless stuff sounds very cool
14:11.10Georgeyeah
14:11.11mozratare you sure it will work>
14:11.13mozrat?
14:11.15Georgenope :)
14:11.21Georgeinitial calculations seem promising
14:11.27GeorgeI need to confirm I have line of sight
14:11.36Georgeso I need a telescope.
14:11.45Georgebasically, I'm going to create a network from school to home
14:11.51Georgethe school network sucks sufficiently.
14:12.21mozratdo you have line of sight into your dorm room????
14:15.50Georgeyes
14:15.58Georgeas I say, I've got to confirm
14:16.02Georgebut I'm pretty certain I do
14:16.10Georgeif I don't, it'll be something silly like a tree in the way
14:17.09mozratwhich can be easily fixed by a chainsaw for example
14:17.27Georgehahhahahahaha
14:17.32Georgehave you seen the view from my window?
14:17.57Georgehttp://www.gwright.org.uk/images/?dir=pictures/School/Sixth%20Form/View
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14:25.12morsing_Afternoon
14:34.28wethrinHello
14:34.57Georgeit's wethrin.
14:35.03wethrinIt's George
14:36.52wethrinThat looks almost like not-London
14:37.16wethrinWere is not for the big Wembley arch
14:37.48Georgewethrin: why?
14:37.56wethrinFar too green
14:38.03Georgeheh.
14:38.11Georgethat's the school's conservation area
14:38.33wethrinOh, does FsPHPGallery support having photo 'albums'? (or, rather, photo sets?)
14:38.38wethrinAhh.
14:38.39Georgenot afaik
14:38.49Georgeit's basically our back garden :)
14:38.55wethrinheh
14:39.26wethrinGeorge: Or does it work by looking at the directory specified on the URL?
14:39.45Georgeit's filesystem based
14:39.52Georgeso yeah
14:40.19wethrinDoesn't look into subdirectories, then?
14:40.24Georgeyes
14:40.34Georgehttp://www.gwright.org.uk/images/index.php?dir=pictures
14:40.36Georgesee?
14:41.31wethrinHrmmm
14:42.35wethrinhow do you ensure people don't type in silly things to the URL?
14:43.04GeorgeI didn't write it.
14:43.13wethrinYou beta-tested it
14:43.25wethrinPresumable you must have type in index.php?dir=../../../etc ?
14:43.33Georgeyeah
14:43.37Georgethat's illegal :P
14:43.46wethrinAha. Yes. Yes it is
14:43.58wethrinLovely.
14:44.00Georgeand if you try it, it'll probably send me an email
14:44.06wethrinOh?
14:44.18Georgeyeah, just got an email
14:44.23George129.234.4.76 tried to abuse /images/index.php?dir=pictures/Desktop/..
14:44.26wethrinAhh :-)
14:44.30wethrinThat's not my IP address.
14:44.33wethrinWhoop
14:44.46George...?
14:44.54wethrinWebcrash
14:46.06George???
14:46.16wethrinWebcache
14:46.27Georgeah
14:46.35George.dur.ac.uk?
14:47.30wethrinYes
14:47.49Georgenote to self: dur.ac.uk uses a horrid webcaching system
14:48.18wethrinSquiddy
14:48.47wethrinAnd you have to use it if you want to get web traffic out
14:48.53Georgeout?
14:49.04wethrinThis then broke National Rail enquiries. But it now works, as National Rail have fixed their website
14:51.31Georgeheh
14:53.09wethrinHeh
14:54.03Georgeopenvpn doesn't like the new network settings
14:54.07Georgebasically I have an http proxy
14:54.21wethrin:-)
14:54.30Georgewhich is in a different subnet to myself, so I need to use some default gateway to access it
14:54.46wethrinSounds slightly complex
14:54.53GeorgeI then use httptunnel and ssh to give me access to my openvpn server
14:55.09Georgewhen I connect, openvpn then changes all my routing tables sufficiently that I can no longer access the http proxy
14:55.11wethrinWhy can't you use your network like a normal person?
14:55.14Georgethus killing everything
14:55.25Georgewethrin: I have only got http acccess, and content filtering
14:55.29Georgewethrin: ssh is a must
14:55.30GeorgeA MUST.
14:55.31wethrinThat smells
14:55.37wethrinWhy can't the admins open ssh?
14:55.45Georgebecause we don't have NAT or anything
14:55.47Georgeonly an http proxy
14:56.00wethrinick
14:56.15wethrinAnd you're all on RFC1918 IP ranges?
14:56.21Georgeand ssh would mean that students could do stuff like set up http proxies on their home systems and use ssh port forwarding :)
14:56.27GeorgeI'm in 10.157.x.x
14:56.30wethrinHeh
14:56.35wethrinAnd how many students would actually do that?
14:56.42Georgeme?
14:56.46GeorgeI've done it before :)
14:57.00GeorgeI have a backup squid server running on my system at home which I can ssh into if I'm in a catastrophe :P
14:57.12wethrinOther than you
14:57.20Georgeerm
14:57.28Georgelots of people do everything they can to circumvent the systems
14:57.40Georgehrmm, my ppp over ssh tunnel appears to be bust
14:57.51wethrinThat's because the system sucks. Let it police itself
14:58.06wethrinStudents will be fed up of browsing porn after a couple of weeks
14:58.16Georgewe're all minors
14:58.24Georgethey're scared of being sued by angry rich parents
14:58.40wethrinJust give them all a good rodgering
14:59.37Georgeheh
15:00.22Georgehrmm, interesting
15:00.23George8Mbit down
15:18.17Georgeyay
15:18.20Georgeopenvpn works
15:36.15morsing_http://jonjupp.plus.com/cgi-bin/ciffl.cgi
15:52.33wethrinhm
16:01.58mozratgo and get fucked
16:02.05mozratARGGHHH
16:02.07mozratwrong window
16:02.13mozratthat was one of my passwords
16:02.16mozratbuggeration
16:02.22wethrinwas morsing_'s link that bad?
16:02.23wethrinPassword for what? :)
16:02.30mozratwethrin: never you mind
16:02.37mozratan awkward client :)
16:02.40Georgethere we go
16:02.50wethrinHeheh
16:03.51rhowemozrat: y'see, if you hadn't said that was a password, nobody would ever have known :)
16:04.01mozratyes, I know
16:04.13mozratbut I'd have to explain it one way or the other
16:04.18wethrinYes. Just stick with 'wrong window', and we'll assume you were talking to George :-)
16:04.25mozrat:)
16:04.25rhowemozrat: "wrong window" :)
16:07.12Georgemoo
16:09.11wethrinoom
16:12.00Georgejust sorting out my email. woo.
16:13.05wethrinrm
16:20.05Georgeahh, the joys of GPG signed messages again
16:20.09wethrinjoys?
16:29.17Georgeyeah. JOYS.
16:31.00wethrinUNBOUNDED joys?##
16:35.44morsing_Where can I get PB Blaster?
16:36.11wethringoogle?
16:36.18morsing_wethrin: No
16:36.35wethrinOh
16:39.33rhowehm, has anyone ever used cable markers?
16:39.43wethrinthose little tags?
16:39.49morsing_http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Elastoplast
16:40.07morsing_rhowe: No - Have you ever used PB Blaster?
16:40.16rhowewethrin: hm.. looking at a picture and not quite sure how they're supposed to work
16:40.19rhowemorsing_: Never heard of it
16:40.36morsing_rhowe: It's like WD40 but a 100 times better
16:41.03rhowemorsing_: Ah, yes, WD40 I have heard of
16:41.21wethrinrhowe: Aren't they just cable ties with a bit of extra plastic to write on?
16:41.32rhowewethrin: http://www.videkonline.co.uk/pictures/cFull/5314.jpg
16:41.35rhowewethrin: Oh, those I can see
16:41.50rhowewethrin: They are "Marker Cable Ties"
16:41.56rhowewethrin: This little gadget, I have no idea how to use
16:42.08wethrinNo idea. It looks like a proper from the Matrix films
16:42.33rhowewethrin: It says that it's particularly appropriate for cable with a diameter between 2.5 and 5mm
16:42.57rhowewethrin: Just trying to work out how it applies the marker.. whether it's a sticker, or whether it's a band that goes around the cable or what
16:44.00rhowewethrin: Still, it seems expensive at £35+VAT
16:44.20wethrinIndeed
16:44.21wethrinDon't buy it
16:45.15rhoweBut I want to go on a cable-labelling binge :)
16:45.48Georgehey rhowe
16:48.08wethrinBuy the tags
16:49.46rhowehey George
16:50.03rhowewethrin: I could try and get the £68 Big Box of labels :)
16:50.09wethrinooooooh
16:50.13rhowewethrin: I could label all the cables in the world then!!!
16:50.14wethrinWell, if the company is paying :)
16:50.18wethrinmuahahahaha
16:50.20rhoweheh, don't think I can get away with it
16:50.23wethrinOh, and get a job in Durham!
16:50.32rhowe"Self laminating cable labels"
16:50.33rhoweooh
16:50.38rhoweself laminating!!
16:50.44wethrin??
16:50.56rhowelaser printable!
18:00.12Georgewhich one of you munchkins is responsible for planet gllug?
18:03.20wethrinmozrat :)
18:03.23wethrinand Dean
18:03.38wethrinIf you don't want your blog on there, ask him to remove it
18:04.58Georgemoo
18:05.06Georgewethrin: that makes no sense whatsoever.
18:05.16wethrinwhat?
18:05.20wethrinwiki.gllug doesn't work
18:05.25George19:07  * wethrin accuses wiki.gllug.org.uk of being broken
18:05.34Georgemoo
18:05.40wethrinYes - why doesn't that make sense?
18:05.44wethrinTry it
18:05.45GeorgeI don't know
18:05.54wethrinsilly boy
18:06.03Georgeoh hush
18:06.12Georgebefore I moo at you
18:06.19Georgedo you want to read my personal statement?
18:06.39wethrinmoo
18:06.39wethrinSure
18:07.37Georgewethrin: check /query you mooooopet
18:08.07stephen(  )
18:08.07stephen<PROTECTED>
18:08.08stephen<PROTECTED>
18:08.14stephenmoo to you too
18:08.15GeorgeI love cows.
18:08.22Georgethey're so bovine
18:08.39wethrinGeorge: I DID
18:08.45wethrinThey also taste nice
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18:32.38morsing_new2unix!
18:32.58new2unixhi Morsing
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20:27.09morsing_AndrewBlack!
20:28.34mozratgood evening
21:10.03George*BURP*
21:10.07Georgejust eaten a fryup
21:10.07Georgeblah
21:12.09wethrinFat bastard
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21:35.04Georgewethrin: damn right
21:35.14George4 sausages and 4 eggs all in a sandwich
21:35.15Georgemmmmm
21:35.55wethrinFat bastard!
21:36.00GeorgeMMMMM
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21:51.39zacharyello
21:52.33wethrinhey
21:53.43zacharyI'm in the process of buying a house.
21:54.44zacharywethrin: What's the latest and greatest news?
21:55.27wethrinOooh. Nice. Nothing particularly great :)
21:55.41wethrinAll fairly quiet on this side of the ocean
21:57.11zacharyI might be the founder of the Hampton Unix Group or HUG. I really didn't want to start the Virginia Beach Unix User Grup or VBUUG
21:57.20wethrin:-)
21:57.25wethrinCool
21:58.24zacharyI really miss meetings. They only hold meeting here on thurdays.
21:58.49wethrinIs Thursday bad?
22:00.14zacharyyea, Wife's schedule is messed up. Her job just shiften into having duty every three days, and they do not get off work until six.
22:00.29wethrinAhh :-/
22:00.32wethrinThat sucks a bit
22:01.27zacharyno, it sucks and blows at the same time. It's like a blowjob, but you make a cringing face.
22:01.39wethrinriiight...
22:02.32zacharyI could also use a good two hours with my wife in the bedroom. But I'd settle for 15 minutes.
22:05.05wethrinAh. She's away from home that much?
22:06.02zacharyDeployments every other week until Christmas. Then she has a six month deployment next spring.
22:06.12wethrinWwhere?
22:07.01zacharyDon't know, but I don't think it has anything to do with Iraq.
22:07.10wethrinHm :-/

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