irclog2html for #gllug on 20050906

`00:23.54`	`JAV`	`think of it as the first part of going bed :)`
`00:31.48`	`Leeds`	`gonna be a long day, and gonna end in a different country`
`00:32.15`	`JAV`	`colombo, isn't it?`
`00:38.05`	`JAV`	`work or pleasure?`
`00:39.34`	`Leeds`	`both`
`00:40.38`	`Leeds`	`work, but going to a Linux/free/open source software conference this week`
`00:41.42`	`Leeds`	`and now I can't unmount a filesystem I want to take with me`
`00:42.11`	`JAV`	`try with "exit"`
`00:42.33`	`JAV`	`on all open consoles`
`00:44.02`	`Leeds`	`managed it by hitting nfsd over the head with a sudo-ed vim :-)`
`00:45.07`	`JAV`	`heh`
`00:45.51`	`Leeds`	`there are at least two reasons to use an external drive to store one's 'backups' - one reason is that it's by far the easiest way to add storage to a Mac mini, another is so you can just unplug it and take it with when you go abroad :-)`
`01:25.32`	`JAV`	`good flight Leeds`
`01:25.37`	`JAV`	`bedtime for me`
`01:25.43`	`JAV`	`bye!`
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`05:42.53`	`gregj`	`to SriLanka ?`
`05:49.41`	`Leeds`	`yup`
`06:00.50`	`new2unix`	`moin all`
`06:30.40`	`Leeds`	`afternoon`
`06:33.15`	`Leeds`	`wow, turns out I have a 16.6 bogomip linux-capable thing in my carry-on bag... didn't know you could run Linux on the Apple Airport APs :-)`
`07:07.16`	`mozrat`	`zzzZZZzzz`
`07:07.20`	`mozrat`	`I am so tired`
`07:07.51`	`mozrat`	`I rather suspect I resembled a extra from "Shaun of the Dead" on the tube this morning`
`07:08.49`	`ufo`	`morning :)`
`07:08.55`	`mozrat`	`hey Marcib`
`07:08.59`	`mozrat`	`Marcin**`
`07:09.48`	`ufo`	`hey hey`
`07:10.07`	`ufo`	`I'm trying to catch you on priv, are you ignoring me ?; ]`
`07:10.16`	`mozrat`	`Nope`
`07:10.26`	`mozrat`	`:)`
`07:10.50`	`mozrat`	`I wonder if you are going to my Bytemark screen session somehow`
`07:10.50`	`Leeds`	`mmm... Spaced of the Dead`
`07:11.54`	`mozrat`	`I can't see any messages from you ufo`
`07:13.50`	`mozrat`	`I went to see "The Bigger Picture" with Graham Norton last night`
`07:14.00`	`Leeds`	`any good?`
`07:14.05`	`mozrat`	`Ruby Wax is a rude obnoxious lady`
`07:14.10`	`mozrat`	`it was quite funny`
`07:14.21`	`mozrat`	`but I wasn't a fan of her before and less so now`
`07:14.29`	`mozrat`	`they cut her most offensive bits`
`07:14.47`	`Leeds`	`her mouth?`
`07:15.06`	`mozrat`	`I wish`
`07:15.29`	`mozrat`	`she used the "n" word pretty much out of context and people audibly gasped in the audience`
`07:16.34`	`Leeds`	`nice`
`07:17.01`	`mozrat`	`Jerry Hall and Shane Warne were the other guests`
`07:18.00`	`Leeds`	`what is this Bigger Picture... a talk show?`
`07:18.16`	`mozrat`	`yes, current affairs`
`07:18.25`	`mozrat`	`Apparently is has bad ratings`
`07:18.29`	`mozrat`	`s/is/it`
`07:22.31`	`Leeds`	`hmm... forecast for tonight: thunderstorms`
`07:22.44`	`mozrat`	`ibot seen wh00dini`
`07:22.47`	`ibot`	`wh00dini is currently on #gllug (22h 15m 7s). Has said a total of 19 messages. Is idling for 16h 43m 42s`
`07:23.19`	`mozrat`	`wh00dini (who is a colleague of mine) lives in Greenwich and had a thunderstorm directly overhead a few nights ago`
`07:23.32`	`mozrat`	`he said people were out in the street at 0230 see what the hell was going on`
`07:23.42`	`mozrat`	`police racing up and down etc`
`07:23.45`	`mozrat`	`it was that loud`
`07:24.31`	`Leeds`	`cool`
`07:24.43`	`Leeds`	`had a couple of really big storms over Hong Kong this summer`
`07:25.31`	`mozrat`	`Is nix from the mailing list also a nick on this channel?`
`07:26.25`	`Leeds`	`not that I've ever been aware of`
`07:26.51`	`mozrat`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_ordered_by_uses_of_the_word_%22fuck%22`
`07:28.58`	`mozrat`	`Hmm, most of my favourite films are on that list`
`07:36.35`	`Leeds`	`that's the sort of thing which wins you a Rory`
`07:37.24`	`mozrat`	`a rory?`
`07:37.42`	`Leeds`	`I bet the south park movie would win the most fucks per minute if you just took the one song :-)`
`07:37.44`	`Leeds`	`Rory`
`07:40.38`	`Leeds`	`the award for the most gratuitous use of the word fuck in a serious screenplay`
`07:41.11`	`mozrat`	`ahh`
`07:41.42`	`Leeds`	`which, I now discover, was edited to say Belgium instead of fuck in the American edition!`
`07:43.03`	`Leeds`	`during the meanwhilst, apparently petrol prices of 1 pound per litre have been sighted`
`07:43.31`	`mozrat`	`not just sighted`
`07:43.42`	`mozrat`	`quite a few places are at �1`
`07:43.56`	`mozrat`	`�1.19 around Chelsea`
`07:44.08`	`mozrat`	`if you are mad or rich enough to fill your 4x4 there`
`07:45.01`	`Leeds`	`1.19 for unleaded???`
`07:45.08`	`mozrat`	`yes`
`07:45.16`	`Leeds`	`fuck`
`07:45.16`	`mozrat`	`that was in the Times - I haven't been around there`
`07:45.17`	`Leeds`	`:-)`
`07:45.19`	`mozrat`	`yes`
`07:47.43`	`mozrat`	`I think I filled my rental car up in Dubai for about 400 dirams`
`07:47.53`	`mozrat`	`which is about 4-5 quid`
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`07:49.35`	`Leeds`	`coals from Newcastle, surely?`
`07:51.32`	`mozrat`	`true`
`08:13.12`	`Cope`	`morning`
`08:13.35`	`mozrat`	`Morning Copester`
`08:15.07`	`Leeds`	`afternoon copey`
`08:16.24`	`Leeds`	`well, as the well-know saying (almost) goes: screw you guys, I'm going to Sri Lanka`
`08:16.51`	`Leeds`	`have a nice Tuesday :-)`
`08:20.27`	`mozrat`	`God, Internet Explorer is plain nonsense`
`08:20.34`	`mozrat`	`"Trusted Sites"`
`08:20.44`	`mozrat`	`Security level for this zone is Medium`
`08:20.53`	`mozrat`	`which is second from highest and breaks stuff`
`08:21.01`	`mozrat`	`so you set it lower - you trust these sites right`
`08:21.15`	`mozrat`	`and it automagically warns you, you can't set it lower`
`08:21.26`	`mozrat`	`and sets it back to "medium" which breaks things`
`08:24.59`	`wethrin`	`:-)`
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`08:27.27`	`mozrat`	`I was trying to get http://www.pocketmod.com/app/index.html working in Firefox with the non-free flash plugin but it seems to be broken`
`08:32.52`	`eye69`	`mozrat: Working here.`
`08:33.31`	`mozrat`	`eye69: when I run the flash I think I'm missing blocks of text somehow`
`08:33.43`	`mozrat`	`there are drop down lists in a tree but no captions`
`08:37.07`	`eye69`	`I'm using Flash 7.0 r25 plugin`
`08:37.17`	`eye69`	`Firefox 1.0.6`
`08:37.43`	`mozrat`	`I'll try the official Flash plugin instead`
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`09:08.15`	`formi`	`hello`
`09:08.26`	`formi`	`still some diehards remaining here`
`09:08.29`	`eye69`	`Hi formi`
`09:08.50`	`George`	`hi.`
`09:09.27`	`formi`	`I have a very newbie question to ask`
`09:10.12`	`formi`	`are there public Suse 9.2 RPM repositories?`
`09:16.26`	`mozrat`	`hey formi`
`09:16.38`	`mozrat`	`formi: yes there are`
`09:17.49`	`mozrat`	`ftp://ftp.suse.com/pub/suse/i386/9.2/suse`
`09:19.01`	`mozrat`	`hmm, can't see many RPM files there though`
`09:21.05`	`formi`	`i am just after one package`
`09:21.17`	`formi`	`the maradns server`
`09:22.26`	`formi`	`I have the first 5 cds, not sure if there is a 6th and it is not there`
`09:24.37`	`wethrin`	`formi: rpmfind.net may be of use`
`09:27.25`	`formi`	`it wasn't`
`09:27.45`	`formi`	`i think i wil have to bite the bullet and compile it`
`09:28.21`	`wethrin`	`mm`
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`09:30.44`	`formi`	`Leeds: hey long time`
`09:31.26`	`Leeds`	`I have never before in my life been required to sign an indemnity form before getting on a plane - because the airline policy is to send tickets only to country of departure, but require a return ticket to be in hand`
`09:31.30`	`Leeds`	`formi: hey... how's things?`
`09:32.46`	`eye69`	`Leeds: Having to sign that seems terribly weird.`
`09:34.04`	`formi`	`quite boring, funny marketing dept wants to put my pic on the website, I am going to ask for per click royalties`
`09:36.06`	`Leeds`	`eye69: Sri Lankan policy is that you must either hold a visa which lets you stay indefinitely, or a return ticket. I have booked a return ticket, but Cathay's site only allows you to provide an address in Sri Lanka for a flight originating in Sri Lanka. Last time I did this, they never even bothered sending the ticket, and I just picked it up at the airport on the way out`
`09:37.36`	`wethrin`	`woot. Another week and I can pay off all my debts`
`09:37.46`	`Leeds`	`and the woman could not explain to me in any significant way how a confirmed booking actually differed from a piece of paper saying "ticket"`
`09:39.27`	`Leeds`	`anyway, I am travelling armed with Slackware CDs and a serious intention of using them :-)`
`09:39.46`	`wethrin`	`"Install Slackware on this plane or else..."`
`09:40.35`	`Leeds`	`more for use at the factory`
`09:40.53`	`wethrin`	`mm`
`09:41.01`	`eye69`	`Slackware? You terrorist!`
`09:41.39`	`Leeds`	`it did just strike me that using "armed with and intention of using them" on a public wifi at the airport might not go down well :-)`
`09:41.43`	`wethrin`	`:-)`
`09:42.00`	`eye69`	`Leeds: Look behind you!`
`09:42.55`	`Leeds`	`eh... Cathay deserve what's coming to them`
`09:46.58`	`wethrin`	`Leeds: You? :)`
`09:47.24`	`Leeds`	`indeed`
`09:48.05`	`wethrin`	`heh`
`09:50.20`	`Leeds`	`ibot change 14760 hkd to gbp`
`09:50.38`	`Leeds`	`ibot change 106354 lkr to gbp`
`09:51.15`	`Leeds`	`and that's why I'm having this trouble - a return from Hong Kong to Sri Lanka costs almost twice as much as one going the other way, for the same dates`
`09:58.46`	`mozrat`	`at last!`
`10:00.00`	`George`	`hey mozrat`
`10:00.21`	`mozrat`	`hey George`
`10:02.23`	`Leeds`	`ah well, time to go`
`10:08.29`	`George`	`btw, anyone going to be at LWCE next month?`
`10:09.22`	`mozrat`	`George: very likely`
`10:09.26`	`mozrat`	`infamous George`
`10:09.31`	`George`	`likely?`
`10:09.34`	`George`	`yay`
`10:09.47`	`mozrat`	`George: I may be abroad but if not I'll be there with knobs on`
`10:10.03`	`George`	`heh`
`10:10.16`	`George`	`I'm just sending an email to the KDE treasurer to get some shirts for aKademy`
`10:10.17`	`George`	`er.`
`10:10.19`	`George`	`LWCE`
`10:13.17`	`mozrat`	`I might even take a day off for it`
`10:13.26`	`mozrat`	`rather than just pop down like I normally do`
`10:13.30`	`wethrin`	`LWCE sucks, though`
`10:13.38`	`wethrin`	`Nothing interesting there any more`
`10:14.14`	`mozrat`	`I met mad dog hall there last time - that was interesting`
`10:18.02`	`wethrin`	`other than that, though`
`10:18.50`	`mozrat`	`Umm - I met George`
`10:18.56`	`mozrat`	`that was.... "interesting"`
`10:18.58`	`wethrin`	`That's not a good thing :)`
`10:19.09`	`wethrin`	`He comes to Gllug very occasionally. But not to the important that`
`10:20.41`	`George`	`moo`
`10:21.02`	`George`	`I'm universally loved.`
`10:22.49`	`wethrin`	`in your own universe? :)`
`10:25.51`	`mozrat`	`Gah - I'm doing expenses and missing some receipts`
`11:17.41`	`mozrat`	`Stupid gnome`
`11:17.52`	`mozrat`	`I can see a file on the desktop I deleted this morning`
`11:17.59`	`mozrat`	`and ls ~/Desktop confirms its gone`
`11:18.08`	`mozrat`	`but the GUI hasn't picked that up`
`11:19.02`	`wethrin`	`Oops`
`11:19.04`	`wethrin`	`Is it in the trash?`
`11:26.01`	`mozrat`	`Nope`
`11:26.12`	`mozrat`	`I'm sure if I log off and back on it will go`
`11:29.37`	`wethrin`	`Mm`
`12:07.30`	`eye69`	`http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2040697050906.gif`
`12:16.25`	`George`	`FOOOD`
`12:16.40`	`wethrin`	`FAT`
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`13:14.23`	`JAV`	`good afternoon`
`13:14.32`	`Cope`	`indeed`
`13:15.32`	`mozrat`	`not a good afternoon for one of my IT guys who hasn't backed Exchange up for about a month and he is now sitting on the server room floor with it broken into 2 pieces`
`13:16.21`	`JAV`	`ooops`
`13:17.01`	`mozrat`	`He's Italian - I can imagine him say "mumma mia"`
`13:18.14`	`wethrin`	`oops`
`13:30.23`	`ufo`	`nice one, he better than me :]`
`13:30.35`	`mozrat`	`heh`
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`15:34.36`	`mozrat`	`very quiet in here today`
`15:34.41`	`wethrin`	`it is`
`15:34.47`	`wethrin`	`George should be back at school, so...`
`15:35.02`	`mozrat`	`ahhh, first day of school`
`15:35.12`	`wethrin`	`oh yes`
`15:35.18`	`mozrat`	`</nostalgia>`
`15:35.28`	`mozrat`	`the toilets should be fairly clean when they flush his head then`
`15:35.30`	`mozrat`	`good good`
`15:36.08`	`mozrat`	`ffs "President Bush says he will personally lead the investigation into "what went wrong" with the Hurricane Katrina relief operation."`
`15:36.17`	`wethrin`	`~change 1 EUR to USD`
`15:36.20`	`mozrat`	`well there's an impartial investigation if ever I saw one`
`15:36.25`	`wethrin`	`mozrat: His buddies fucked up`
`15:37.28`	`mozrat`	`wethrin: I went to the TV show with the tickets from SRO last night`
`15:37.33`	`mozrat`	`twas fun`
`15:37.50`	`wethrin`	`woohoo! Did you phone them up, or did you order online?`
`15:38.58`	`mozrat`	`online`
`15:39.18`	`wethrin`	`Hrm. I did, and they didn't send me tickets. And BBC haven't done so the last few times I ordered from them.`
`15:39.22`	`wethrin`	`So next time I shall be phoning up`
`15:39.48`	`George`	`wethrin: no, I'm at home`
`15:39.51`	`George`	`wethrin: fool`
`15:40.17`	`wethrin`	`Lazy bastard`
`15:47.57`	`George`	`no`
`15:48.03`	`George`	`school doesn't start till 9pm`
`15:48.04`	`wethrin`	`you are`
`15:48.04`	`George`	`fool.`
`15:48.06`	`wethrin`	`pff`
`15:56.18`	`rhowe`	`haha`
`15:56.19`	`rhowe`	`16:55 < schitzo> so Sarah-- ..... whatcha wearing?`
`15:56.19`	`rhowe`	`16:55 < Sarah--> my last victim`
`15:56.24`	`wethrin`	`hehe`
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`16:41.52`	`mozrat`	`evening all - I'm off`
`16:42.01`	`wethrin`	`bye!`
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`18:28.03`	`JAV`	`hello!`
`18:37.43`	`gregj`	`anyone knows how can I convince find to print all names escaped, so for instance instead of "[ ]" I will get \"\[\ \]\"`
`18:40.12`	`Cope`	`gregj: is that a for instance, or a real example?`
`18:41.03`	`Cope`	`what you actually want to do is to escape all escapable characters? yes?`
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`18:49.50`	`gregj`	`Cope: for instance`
`18:50.01`	`gregj`	`Cope: I have files with spaces in em and brackets`
`18:50.05`	`gregj`	`Cope: they need to be escaped`
`18:50.35`	`Cope`	`gregj: why - waht are you doing withthem?`
`18:53.02`	`gregj`	`I have to give names to command, but command doesn't take --recursive argument`
`18:53.05`	`gregj`	`so...`
`18:53.31`	`gregj`	`bash escapes automagicaly, but in this case it won,t cos * doesn't work recurseive`
`18:53.36`	`gregj`	`at least up to me knowledge`
`18:54.37`	`Cope`	`well`
`18:54.45`	`Cope`	`the simple answer is: find ... -exec command {} \;`
`18:55.48`	`Cope`	`or you could just change all the spaces, etc to underscores with a bash one liner`
`18:57.30`	`Cope`	`can you give me a specific example of the command you want to pass the filename to?`
`18:57.36`	`gregj`	`this won't do either`
`18:57.38`	`gregj`	`but I'll try`
`18:58.15`	`Cope`	`gregj: what's the pipeline? ie what do you want to do to the filenames after find produces them?`
`18:59.43`	`gregj`	`anyway, -exec will do`
`18:59.45`	`gregj`	`but takes ages`
`19:00.14`	`Cope`	`you may also hit buffer limits`
`19:00.24`	`gregj`	`sure`
`19:00.35`	`gregj`	`it's a perl app, so running it on -exec is expensive runtime wise`
`19:00.45`	`Cope`	`for sure`
`19:00.46`	`gregj`	`just as any interpreted lang, python would be even worse`
`19:02.42`	`Cope`	`I was reading about feeding filenames recursively into an array, and using bash's -s option to read, together with the NUL byte to allow for spaces and newlines etc;`
`19:02.51`	`Cope`	`sorry -d option`
`19:03.02`	`gregj`	`yes, I remember somehing about it`
`19:03.07`	`gregj`	`but don't remember how to do it`
`19:03.18`	`Cope`	`unset a i`
`19:03.41`	`Cope`	`while read -d $'\0' filename; do`
`19:03.52`	`Cope`	`something to filename`
`19:04.27`	`Cope`	`done <<(find /somewhere -type f -print0)`
`19:04.58`	`gregj`	`:]`
`19:05.08`	`gregj`	`yeah, -print0, it is gnu extension`
`19:05.20`	`Cope`	`not sure if that would be more efficient than -xec`
`19:05.29`	`Cope`	`gregj: are you not using a gnu find`
`19:08.03`	`gregj`	`I am`
`19:08.19`	`gregj`	`but sometimes I use other finds, and I am not so familliar with gnu exts ;)`
`19:08.35`	`Cope`	`mmhmm`
`19:33.57`	`gregj`	`what is unset a i doing ?`
`19:37.13`	`gregj`	`\|while read -d $'\0' filename; do gnupod_addsong -m /mnt/other/ done <<(find /home/gj/Music/ -type f -print0)`
`19:37.16`	`gregj`	\|-su: syntax error near unexpected token `('
`19:41.06`	`Cope`	`gregj: unneeded in this case`
`19:42.20`	`Cope`	`gregj: the space between the < < is significant`
`19:43.38`	`Cope`	`I missed it out in my example`
`19:43.49`	`Cope`	`so:`
`19:44.02`	`Cope`	`while read -d $'\0' filename; do gnupod_addsong -m /mnt/other/ done < <(find /home/gj/Music/ -type f -print0)`
`19:46.33`	`gregj`	`I get > prompt (line has not being ended)`
`19:47.50`	`gregj`	`I know nothing about bash scripting..`
`19:50.00`	`gregj`	`while read -d $'\0' filename; do gnupod_addsong -m /mnt/other/ < <(find /home/gj/Music/ -type f -print0) ; done`
`19:50.03`	`gregj`	`<PROTECTED>`
`20:00.55`	`Cope`	`aren't you missing the actuall filename?`
`20:01.33`	`Cope`	`you've fed every filename into an array`
`20:01.52`	`Cope`	`then said for every entry in this array... do`
`20:02.01`	`Cope`	`do gnupod_addsong -m /mnt/other/`
`20:02.15`	`Cope`	`but not actually supplied the filename`
`20:02.54`	`Cope`	that's a bit like saying for i in `1 seq 9`; do echo; done
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`22:05.27`	`Thanatos[1]`	`anybody here?`
`22:06.27`	`new2unix`	`sure.`
`22:06.34`	`Thanatos[1]`	`ah!`
`22:06.38`	`Thanatos[1]`	`are you in the UK?`
`22:06.41`	`new2unix`	`hi.`
`22:07.28`	`Thanatos[1]`	`This is an oddball request, but i need the phone number of any autoparts store in the UK.`
`22:07.59`	`new2unix`	`none would be open at this hour (23:07hrs)`
`22:08.04`	`Thanatos[1]`	`doesnt matter`
`22:08.12`	`Thanatos[1]`	`i will call tommorrow`
`22:08.39`	`Thanatos[1]`	`during normal business hours, for the timezone of course`
`22:11.02`	`new2unix`	`Thanatos: http://directory.google.com/Top/Regional/Europe/United_Kingdom/Business_and_Economy/Motoring/Repair_and_Service/Parts/`
`22:11.28`	`Thanatos[1]`	`thank you.`
`22:11.37`	`new2unix`	`There should be a cntact number amongst that list. Havent got any to hand. I do not drive.`
`22:11.48`	`Thanatos[1]`	`thanks again`
`22:11.59`	`Thanatos[1]`	`i didnt know how to scope the search on google.`
`22:13.03`	`new2unix`	`no problem.`
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