| 00:08.30 | wethrin | hello? |
| 00:09.13 | wethrin | Hm. Beer is something I can't really do this week. |
| 00:12.45 | rhowe | wethrin: Can you meet me at Euston at around 6pm on Tues or Weds? |
| 00:13.38 | wethrin | Possibly Tuesday. I'm in Hammersmith until 6pm on Wednesday |
| 00:16.28 | rhowe | wethrin: Well it doesn't have to be Euston, just that I pass through Euston |
| 00:17.43 | wethrin | I think Tuesday should be okay |
| 00:25.06 | rhowe | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:25.15 | rhowe | well I'll give you a call as I leave work |
| 00:27.00 | wethrin | Okay - that sounds best |
| 00:27.33 | wethrin | Hm. I ought to be asleep - need to get an 0740 train |
| 00:27.55 | wethrin | g'night! |
| 00:33.23 | murb | wethrin: if you are awake now you could have may as well have had 'babs! |
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| 06:25.45 | rhowe | You might find some stuff on the P2P networks, but it's hard to find tracks that weren't ripped by an idiot |
| 06:52.46 | Clyphox | urgle |
| 06:58.15 | new2unix | moin all |
| 06:58.33 | Clyphox | re |
| 06:58.34 | SpudULike | Hi, well, low really! |
| 06:59.46 | Clyphox | hehe why so? |
| 07:00.51 | SpudULike | The saddle on the bike looks a bit damp. |
| 07:01.04 | Clyphox | ok I don't want to know why |
| 07:09.11 | Clyphox | have fun |
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| 07:18.27 | zachary | moin |
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| 07:34.29 | RevRob | Morning |
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| 07:48.11 | zachary | moin nasr_blue anth laomao |
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| 08:14.28 | mozrat | Morning #gllug |
| 08:41.03 | zachary | moin |
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| 08:46.17 | RevRob | morning all |
| 08:48.48 | zachary | wb RevRob |
| 08:52.57 | RevRob | How's it going zachary? |
| 08:56.02 | zachary | busy morning. |
| 09:00.31 | RevRob | busy already? |
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| 09:18.59 | wethrin | Morning |
| 09:19.25 | zachary | Morning wethrin |
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| 09:19.47 | jason_ukfsn | hi all |
| 09:19.55 | zachary | Morning jason_ukfsn |
| 09:20.00 | mozrat | Hi jason_ukfsn |
| 09:20.17 | jason_ukfsn | did everyone enjoy the weekend? |
| 09:20.27 | zachary | Oh, yea! |
| 09:20.46 | wethrin | I didn't get everything done that I wanted. Again. |
| 09:21.10 | jason_ukfsn | I managed to do most of what I wanted and (I think) all that I needed to get sorted. |
| 09:21.11 | zachary | Nice day out without the kids. "Return of the King" and dinner! |
| 09:21.45 | jason_ukfsn | Ah yes I need to see that film again before it leaves the cinemas. I went to see Scary Movie 3 on Saturday night. |
| 09:22.01 | wethrin | Any good? |
| 09:23.30 | jason_ukfsn | it was OK but nowhere near as good as the first Scary Movie film. They used the director from the Airplane films and I think that was a bad move. Parts of it felt tired in my view. |
| 09:23.31 | zachary | Not that it is likely, but would be nice to get Westminster Uni booked for early in the morning. and show the Lord of the Rings trillogy in the lecture hall. |
| 09:24.08 | jason_ukfsn | LOL zachary - that would be OK but the hall isn't as good as a decent cinema where you get proper sound etc. |
| 09:24.48 | wethrin | zachary: All 10 hours of it? |
| 09:24.54 | zachary | Crossover, All we need to do is bring in a base-table. |
| 09:25.35 | zachary | wethrin, 12 hours. Going to need intermissions. |
| 09:26.07 | jason_ukfsn | I think I'll go see ROTK again this week. It's a shame that the local cinema only has one projector - they have to stop the film to change reels. I only pay £3.50 to watch films there. |
| 09:26.09 | wethrin | Oof. |
| 09:27.29 | jason_ukfsn | When they started the publicity for the new star wars trilogy part of it was showing the original three films together with guest appearances from some of the original cast in Borehamwood where they made them. I live in Borehamwood so that was my day. |
| 09:30.53 | wethrin | ibot google for openvpn |
| 09:32.15 | Cope | Ok what am I doin wrong here: this works on my solaris machines: |
| 09:32.45 | Cope | scp sanelson@myip:sourcefile sanelson@myotherip:sourcefile |
| 09:33.04 | Cope | Sorry destination at the end |
| 09:33.14 | Cope | scp sanelson@myip:sourcefile sanelson@myotherip:destinationfile |
| 09:33.28 | Cope | I get: |
| 09:34.05 | Cope | sanelson@10.108.24.199's password: |
| 09:34.05 | Cope | Host key verification failed. |
| 09:34.07 | Cope | lost connection |
| 09:34.23 | Cope | What's all that about? |
| 09:35.32 | jason_ukfsn | has the system at the address of myotherip changed? It looks like the host key on file at myip for it doesn't match what the remote say about itself. |
| 09:36.08 | mozrat | Cope: I had that recently from a client site.... I think they were blocking outbound SSH. I ended up running sshd on port 80 which worked fine |
| 09:36.12 | jason_ukfsn | alternatively is the host key file corrupted? |
| 09:36.31 | mozrat | If you run ethereal you may find you aren't getting past the TCP connection setup |
| 09:36.42 | Cope | mozrat: it works between by solaris box and laptop but not between my laptop and desktop |
| 09:36.49 | mozrat | Ahh |
| 09:36.56 | jason_ukfsn | I take it you can ping between them Cope? |
| 09:36.58 | Cope | let me try solaris box to desktop |
| 09:37.25 | mozrat | Cope: all on the same LAN?? |
| 09:37.36 | Cope | jason_ukfsn - I can ssh to it! |
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| 09:37.57 | jason_ukfsn | Cope: check on the desktop to see whether the ssh configuration includes the StrictHostKeyChecking as that will prevent connections to systems whose key is unknown. |
| 09:38.05 | Cope | That's what I don't get - I can ssh between both boxes in both directions; but I'm failing to scp |
| 09:40.30 | jason_ukfsn | what version of ssh/openssh is on each end? |
| 09:41.57 | Cope | Well both boxes are running fc1 so they're the same. |
| 09:42.44 | Cope | OpenSSH_3.6.1p2, SSH protocols 1.5/2.0, OpenSSL 0x0090701f |
| 09:47.10 | jason_ukfsn | sorry I don't know what will be causing that. Google doesn't seem to offer an immediate answer. |
| 09:48.21 | wethrin | Grmpf. |
| 09:48.42 | wethrin | Person asks what VPNs SUSE supports. And then says that they want people to log in to an IPX Netware server. |
| 09:48.54 | wethrin | *but* Netware 5.1 runs IP natively, in preference to IPX. |
| 09:49.30 | mozrat | wethrin: but if they use Windows clients the server would still need to run IPX. |
| 09:49.35 | jason_ukfsn | Perhaps they have old school Netware experience and aren't up to date (well obviously) and are unaware that IP is preferred |
| 09:50.21 | jason_ukfsn | mozrat I thought the netware clients for windows were IP based now? |
| 09:50.46 | mozrat | jason_ukfsn: Not as recently as W2k AFAIK |
| 09:51.00 | mozrat | Maybe the really new Windows versions? |
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| 09:52.52 | jason_ukfsn | I have to confess that I've not touched netware for years. |
| 09:54.12 | jason_ukfsn | mozrat according to docs on Novell.com IP only is an option (the default for new installs) so IPX is only needed if you have legacy servers |
| 09:54.31 | jason_ukfsn | There is also an IPX over IP option |
| 09:55.16 | mozrat | jason_ukfsn: Yeah, but AIUI (and i haven't done a lot, though we run it here) the M$ CSNW (Client Services for Netware) only binds to NWLink |
| 09:55.42 | mozrat | so the Windows client needs to run NWLink for CSNW even though both the client and server support IP |
| 09:57.58 | mozrat | If you can bear to go there.... http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;222059&Product=win2000 |
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| 09:58.28 | mozrat | although it says here that if you install the Novell client on windows you can use IP, just the M$ version requires IPX... |
| 10:04.18 | Xiaoqi | morning all |
| 10:06.08 | jason_ukfsn | so use the novell client. |
| 10:17.14 | Cope | morning Xiaoqi |
| 10:18.13 | Xiaoqi | hey Cope |
| 10:25.34 | RevRob | ibot windows-- |
| 10:32.30 | Cope | What's your justification for such slander? |
| 10:33.21 | Xiaoqi | c ya later everyone -off to be taught |
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| 10:34.45 | Cope | hi Leeds |
| 10:35.02 | wethrin | Leeds at work already? |
| 10:35.54 | RevRob | Cope, my justification? Because it is shit. Anyone can see that. Today the domain here at work has just decided that it will not let my machine onto the domain. Nothing has changed. |
| 10:36.42 | Cope | unsatifactory |
| 10:37.41 | wethrin | Are you running a non-Windows OS? ;-) |
| 10:37.57 | RevRob | win2k pro |
| 10:38.21 | wethrin | Hm |
| 10:40.47 | Leeds | yes, I'm at work... |
| 10:43.50 | RevRob | :) |
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| 11:25.15 | RevRob | it's gone quiet again |
| 11:28.27 | mozrat | any Linux on Mac type people here today?? |
| 11:33.14 | Leeds | you can't run Linux on a Mac! |
| 11:33.22 | Leeds | or can you...? |
| 11:33.48 | wethrin | Why would you want to? :) |
| 11:33.56 | jason_ukfsn | what type of Mac? I've never seen anyone running Linux on a PVC Mac ;) |
| 11:34.23 | mozrat | I've got debian on an old g3 notebook, but need to update the kernel |
| 11:36.28 | mozrat | wethrin: I thought that was your kind of thing!! |
| 11:37.13 | wethrin | No, I'm running a Real OS on Mac ;-) |
| 11:37.26 | mozrat | lol |
| 11:38.34 | mozrat | Its a Mac with a busted screen so the idea was to use it as a Wireless Access Point. |
| 11:38.54 | mozrat | but the 2.2 kernel supplied won't support the card... and theres no LILO |
| 11:40.59 | wethrin | No. LILO is for x86 |
| 11:41.36 | mozrat | I realise that.... now! |
| 11:41.49 | mozrat | I think the answer lies within #debianppc |
| 11:42.29 | wethrin | Heh |
| 11:42.35 | wethrin | The answer never lies there. |
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| 11:44.21 | mallum | hi |
| 11:44.35 | Leeds | mozrat, meet mallum :-) |
| 11:44.36 | mozrat | 'lo |
| 11:44.44 | mozrat | Hi mallum! |
| 11:44.53 | mallum | hello mozrat |
| 11:45.06 | mallum | mozrat: do you need some help with Linux on ppc ? |
| 11:45.13 | mozrat | Yes please!! |
| 11:45.56 | mozrat | I have Debian Woody on a mac with a 2.2.20-pmac kernel.... |
| 11:45.58 | mallum | mozrat: okey, I'll see what I can do - its been a while since I've done a mac install but I run debian on 2 macs - an oldish tibook and a 7800 beast |
| 11:46.21 | mallum | mozrat: what mac ? |
| 11:46.34 | mozrat | ... and I've apt-getted a new kernel. Problem is how to get the Mac to boot that kernel seeing as there is no LILO/Grub to play with |
| 11:46.48 | mozrat | Its an "old world" Powerbook g3 (Lombard I think) |
| 11:47.05 | mozrat | I'm currently using BootX to load from MacOS9 |
| 11:47.08 | mallum | mozrat: arg that are known for pain :/ |
| 11:47.49 | mozrat | It's not ideal... but it was spare hardware, and it boots fine. just with a old kernel ;-) |
| 11:48.09 | mallum | mozrat: okey, more fun anyway if you like that kind of thing ;-) |
| 11:49.45 | mozrat | It currently boots from 2 files on the Mac partition.... I guess I need to replace those files with something newer. |
| 11:50.42 | mallum | mozrat: my 7800 is old world .. Im just trying to remember what the bootloader is on it |
| 11:52.31 | mallum | mozrat: yaboot I think ... |
| 11:52.42 | mozrat | Hmm |
| 11:52.58 | mallum | no its not that |
| 11:53.13 | mallum | quik , thats it |
| 11:53.38 | mallum | I booted from macos via bootx, then installed quik to avoid that step - ie boot strait into linux |
| 11:53.58 | mozrat | Ahh... that could be a better plan |
| 11:54.11 | mallum | http://penguinppc.org/projects/quik/ |
| 11:54.30 | mozrat | Does it then boot from /boot as normal if you use quik? |
| 11:54.37 | mallum | yes |
| 11:54.46 | mozrat | Sounds like a plan... I'll give that a go. |
| 11:54.50 | mozrat | Thanks Mallum |
| 11:54.56 | mozrat | and Leeds! |
| 11:54.59 | mallum | mozrat: np |
| 11:55.22 | mallum | mozrat: just read the docs at that link, iirc the lombards have a few pecularity's |
| 11:56.08 | mozrat | brb |
| 11:57.34 | mallum | mozrat: also #debian-ppc folks can be helpful .. just avoid 'sourdough' that hangs out there |
| 11:58.31 | mozrat | Yes.. #debianppc seems very quiet today. |
| 12:04.49 | evangineer | hi all |
| 12:05.11 | mozrat | hey evangineer |
| 12:05.22 | evangineer | hi mozrat |
| 12:07.28 | RevRob | hello evangineer |
| 12:07.38 | evangineer | hi RevRob |
| 12:07.43 | RevRob | ping Clyphox |
| 12:08.56 | RevRob | evanineer, did you hear back about that job you went to interview for? |
| 12:10.02 | evangineer | no, I haven't heard anything. They said they had interviewed 2 other people and needed to make a decision how to proceed. |
| 12:10.23 | evangineer | That was last wednesday. |
| 12:10.53 | RevRob | hmm |
| 12:11.31 | RevRob | I've noticed that as a general rule in this country companies that are recruiting don't mind being a bunch of time wasters .. |
| 12:11.47 | evangineer | agreed |
| 12:12.32 | evangineer | it would be nice to hear back one way or the other |
| 12:13.03 | jason_ukfsn | evangineer: if there are only a couple of people going for a job and you don't get a reply within 72 hours it generally means they didn't select you. |
| 12:13.31 | evangineer | jason_ukfsn, that's what I was thinking |
| 12:13.34 | jason_ukfsn | Sometimes it's the company that fail to let you know and sometimes it's the agency. Either way it's a common failing |
| 12:14.48 | RevRob | I got interviewed 3 times for a job, they called me back to ask more questions, I told them forget it. They'd wasted like 6 hours of life and either piss or get off the pot. |
| 12:19.29 | jason_ukfsn | I can understand that RevRob - do remember though that continued contact usually (but not always) means a high degree of interest in you |
| 12:21.00 | RevRob | yeah but it's a waste of time.. especially if you are already employed and have to keep taking time off work to go and see htem. |
| 12:21.23 | murb | RevRob: they couldn't have asked their addional questions over the phone? |
| 12:22.17 | RevRob | They did the last time.. but having spend like 6 hours with them surely they would have had enough.. and most questions were from my cv.. just very frustrating |
| 12:27.07 | Clyphox | RevRob: Pong |
| 12:53.44 | stephen | ;) |
| 12:54.07 | evangineer | RevRob, can you get me a mocha no whip! |
| 12:58.47 | evangineer | otoh, I'm trying to keep my caffeine intake low, make that a chai instead. |
| 13:07.50 | RevRob | Yeah I try to keep my caffeine down too, but some days.. |
| 13:29.43 | RevRob | what is a decent free Windows anti-virus program |
| 13:32.13 | Leeds | um... working... |
| 13:37.40 | Cope | hi all |
| 13:37.42 | RevRob | that will learn ya.. I knew if I made you hold your breath you'd have to come out of it |
| 13:37.45 | RevRob | Hey Cope |
| 13:37.51 | Cope | g'day |
| 13:38.04 | evangineer | hi Cope |
| 13:38.17 | RevRob | Cope: ni chi shen me? |
| 13:38.18 | Cope | 'lo evangineer |
| 13:38.40 | RevRob | anth, lucky for you, it's not my mirror, I pinched it from someone's purse |
| 13:39.49 | Cope | RevRob: cheese sandwiches |
| 13:40.40 | anth | I haven't tried AVG anti virus but have heard it recommended, and its free for personal use |
| 13:40.40 | anth | http://www.grisoft.com/ |
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| 13:41.42 | evangineer | anth, you beat me to it! |
| 13:41.52 | RevRob | Thank anth, I'll check it out. My friend in China seems to have a fully infected machine.. (like most PC's in China). They have mastered the art of Piracy for every bit of software but AV software. |
| 13:42.16 | evangineer | AVG got 100% in a recent Virus Bulletin test |
| 13:43.06 | Cope | yeah, I've heard good things about avg |
| 13:43.38 | Cope | i used to us fprotect years ago |
| 13:43.41 | rhowe | AVG works pretty well here |
| 13:43.46 | Cope | free for students |
| 13:43.55 | rhowe | It has pretty sane pricing too, and it's free for personal use AFAIK |
| 13:44.00 | Cope | rhowe: hiya |
| 13:44.20 | RevRob | yeah there is a free version, but it doesn't include the firewall |
| 13:44.21 | evangineer | hi edward |
| 13:44.29 | RevRob | I use TrendMicro myself for my windows boxens |
| 13:44.39 | murb | For anyone thinking of fosdeming, http://www.buy4now.ie/gresham/index.aspx?pid=293&catid=0.6&dt=1 |
| 13:44.48 | Cope | revrob: avg + zonealarm is a popular solution |
| 13:44.54 | RevRob | yeah |
| 13:45.02 | RevRob | might have her install zonealarm too |
| 13:45.52 | Cope | Its what most of my clueful friends use... in so far as clueful people use windows. |
| 13:49.32 | RevRob | I've never like zonealarm myself.. I always got annoyed by it.. |
| 13:50.03 | Cope | Yeah - I used it for a month or so on the laptop that was nicked - I hated it. |
| 13:51.30 | Cope | 13 min lunch... |
| 13:51.35 | Cope | I work too hard. |
| 13:51.58 | Cope | See y'all later :o) |
| 13:52.42 | evangineer | later Cope |
| 13:54.29 | RevRob | kde is being stupid today.. normally ALT-TAB works like windows and goes through the apps .. today it's decided that when I press ALT-TAB it brings up the menu for hte active window like when you click on the top left corner |
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| 13:58.28 | evangineer | hi zimm, you're not invading are you? |
| 13:58.37 | zimm | lol |
| 13:58.45 | zimm | some here would say i already did ! |
| 13:58.52 | evangineer | you must get that a lot! |
| 13:59.01 | zimm | actually , .. |
| 13:59.03 | zimm | no . |
| 13:59.19 | zimm | you'd be surprised how many people havent seen "invader zimm" |
| 13:59.38 | evangineer | I haven't either, but I know of it. |
| 13:59.44 | zimm | hehe |
| 14:02.29 | RevRob | evangineer, perhaps: http://lists.personaltelco.net/pipermail/general/2003q1/012003.html |
| 14:02.32 | zimm | evangineer: i dont believe ive seen you here before ... you are ? |
| 14:03.33 | RevRob | or perhaps, http://www.linuxuser.co.uk/articles/issue32/lud32-Reviews.pdf |
| 14:04.37 | evangineer | thanks RevRob, reading your links now |
| 14:04.52 | RevRob | the PDF looks like it might be more useful |
| 14:06.20 | Xiaoqi | hi |
| 14:08.54 | zimm | hey Xiaoqi |
| 14:10.02 | jason_ukfsn | murb: the YHA is still cheaper. All I want is somewhere to sleep in between the beer, fosdem and more beer |
| 14:14.23 | zimm | laters .. work calls |
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| 14:23.32 | gregj | http://www.linuxstolescocode.com/ |
| 14:27.24 | RevRob | gregj, that page doesn't seem to work |
| 14:27.28 | RevRob | (for me at least anyhow) |
| 14:29.22 | Leeds | RevRob: and why would you expect it to work? :-) |
| 14:30.10 | jason_ukfsn | http://www.linuxstolescocode.com/SCO_code_found_in_Leap_Frog_Learning_Pads_(parody).html |
| 14:43.12 | jason_ukfsn | Has anyone here used amavisd's black/white listing? |
| 14:45.27 | jason_ukfsn | I'll take the roaring silence as a no then. |
| 14:45.34 | RevRob | Cope: Any tricks to getting Fedora installed or is it as stright forward as RH9 and the likes? |
| 14:47.45 | Cope | RevRob: What are you installing? Do you have old fc1 disks? Or recent isos? |
| 14:48.52 | RevRob | I've downlaoded the DVD ISO and going to use that (on a DVD oc course) |
| 14:48.56 | Cope | RevRob: The installation is painless, but if you're using the old isos there are a few bugs - I'd recommend getting apt from fedora.us and updating and upgrading as soon as the install is finished. |
| 14:49.46 | Cope | RevRob: Depending on your machine, I find apt is more efficient than yum and the latest version is very good indeed. |
| 14:50.00 | RevRob | Ok |
| 14:50.39 | RevRob | I tried kickstarting the machine to RH9 this morning but for some reason it didn't want any of it.. so screw it, I'll go with fedora and see how it works out. |
| 14:51.13 | Cope | RevRob: nice one. I think you'll like it. |
| 14:51.56 | Cope | What happened to the mild-mannered geek? |
| 14:51.59 | RevRob | I've got some lotion the doc gave me if you need for your sting |
| 14:52.32 | Cope | Really? I find them very good company. |
| 14:53.26 | evangineer | yes, well I especially hate them when they are obviously stooges for vested state interests! |
| 14:54.25 | murb | s/state// # who cares |
| 14:54.48 | Cope | What's the context, evangineer? |
| 14:55.21 | murb | evangineer: you are not on Afnog? |
| 14:56.21 | evangineer | murb: no |
| 14:57.42 | evangineer | Cope: a certain useful idiot is trying to stifle debate about organisation structure in order to impose his own version without any consensus |
| 14:58.32 | Cope | Definitely a candidate for receiving a stinging riposte. |
| 14:59.31 | murb | evangineer: why do you need consensus? |
| 14:59.46 | murb | if you wait for consensus before doing anything, nothing will ever get done. Ever. |
| 15:00.55 | evangineer | murb: you have a point but when dealing with issues affecting an entire continent and it's diaspora, you need to make sure you get as wide a range of input as possible. |
| 15:01.28 | evangineer | There are over 800 people on this list, and this guy is trying to be a dictator |
| 15:01.53 | evangineer | Just like a dictator, he won't tolerate any dissent. |
| 15:02.24 | murb | but is anything going to come of the things being discussed on this list? |
| 15:02.38 | Leeds | why does http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/3451055.stm sound familiar... |
| 15:03.19 | Leeds | apart from being nonsense, that is... |
| 15:03.29 | evangineer | murb: we have already had people partipate in the WSIS process and last December's Geneva summit |
| 15:03.53 | evangineer | the issue is where do we go from here |
| 15:04.32 | murb | evangineer: the WSIS was a bit of a joke though. |
| 15:05.02 | murb | atleast according to some of the scanndinavia and german contingent who gave a talk at 20C3 |
| 15:05.45 | evangineer | murb: true I'm pretty disillusioned with it myself, but as far as I'm concerned it's not just about WSIS |