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| 01:17.04 | resudaed | anyone still up? |
| 01:23.03 | Trel | no, we're all asleep |
| 01:42.40 | highbury | I'm still here, I've just finally updated the web pages |
| 01:43.07 | highbury | details a bit sparse, but at least people will now know what the talks are going to be about |
| 01:43.29 | highbury | any gramatical corrections welcome |
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| 01:53.18 | skugg | ai. |
| 01:59.59 | highbury | hi |
| 02:09.56 | skugg | ugh. the fat lady just sang. I'm off to bed. |
| 02:10.04 | skugg | night |
| 02:10.23 | resudaed | night |
| 02:18.21 | highbury | night |
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| 10:31.11 | *** topic/#gllug is GLLUG - Greater London Linux User Group, http://gllug.org.uk [next meeting 18-Jan-2003, next InstallFest 22-Feb-2003] |
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| 10:33.44 | dank_work | hammered? |
| 10:33.46 | dank_work | howso? |
| 10:35.13 | zachary | Very good storm! |
| 10:47.37 | dank_work | :) |
| 10:47.47 | dank_work | Cool |
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| 13:14.22 | dank_work | It be quiet here today |
| 13:23.19 | Trel | ...into a snowdrift |
| 13:33.47 | dank_work | :) |
| 13:33.51 | dank_work | SNOW! |
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| 14:50.20 | zimm | fsck me , i aint seen this much snow since i was a kid |
| 14:54.22 | murb | snow, but not -12 |
| 14:55.07 | dank_work | There was snow about 2 years ago |
| 14:55.15 | dank_work | Or was it last year? |
| 14:55.27 | dank_work | (between Boxing Day and New Year) |
| 14:55.35 | dank_work | Fucking firewall! |
| 14:56.11 | dank_work | right. that's better |
| 14:56.31 | dank_work | bloody Linux firewalling |
| 14:59.41 | dank_work | ahh |
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| 20:28.54 | eye69 | Evening |
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| 21:18.30 | eye69 | Hello Leeds |
| 21:33.28 | Leeds | evening |
| 21:33.41 | eye69 | How's it going? |
| 21:34.29 | Leeds | ugh... |
| 21:34.32 | Leeds | car is dead :-( |
| 21:35.29 | eye69 | Ouch :/ |
| 21:35.50 | Leeds | it died in Oxford at the weekend :-( I blame agk |
| 21:37.47 | eye69 | Why? :) |
| 21:38.55 | Leeds | not sure... I thought it was because I'd hit a speed-bump, but the insurance people towed it to a garage and they said there was no sign of damage, just worn-out seals and stuff |
| 21:40.31 | eye69 | Of course they say... |
| 21:41.42 | Leeds | well, I don't think it'd make much difference to the garage - they'd get money from me or from the insurance company |
| 22:01.06 | eye69 | The garages can favor the insurance company so that it can keep the jobs they bring in |
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| 22:22.51 | Leeds | he said that he was sure that if he went in and did a full check (taking the engine to pieces) he was sure I would end up paying, not the insurers |
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| 22:27.27 | omphe | Evening all. |
| 22:27.50 | Leeds | hey |
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| 22:32.57 | Leeds | wb |
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| 22:41.11 | Leeds | hey Davilion |
| 22:41.58 | Davilion | hi leeds |
| 22:42.08 | Davilion | in fact, make that 3 new gadgets. |
| 22:42.47 | Leeds | oh! do tell? |
| 22:44.46 | Davilion | new phone - t68i, new carb for my locost, and a usb bluetooth adapter which is faulty. |
| 22:44.58 | Davilion | so im looking at finally sorting out my contact details and stuff like that |
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| 22:45.21 | Leeds | I've got a T68(i), a dead car, and a bluetooth PDA :-) |
| 22:45.34 | Davilion | nice. |
| 22:45.42 | Davilion | whats wrong with your car? |
| 22:46.01 | Leeds | I've actually got a t68 upgraded to the t68i software - I like the look better, and it was 'free' with a contract 6 months back |
| 22:46.06 | dankolb | Hi |
| 22:46.12 | Leeds | hey dank |
| 22:46.24 | dankolb | Car still in garage until Saturday, then? |
| 22:46.30 | Leeds | it's all Oxford's fault. except according to the garage it isn't |
| 22:46.36 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:46.42 | dankolb | What's the fault according to the garage? |
| 22:46.56 | Leeds | car is now in a garage in London, having been towed from Oxford by Green Flag on behalf of the insurers |
| 22:47.03 | dankolb | Ahh |
| 22:47.11 | dankolb | So you don't have to go back to Ox to pick it up then |
| 22:47.19 | Leeds | so the return ticket was a waste :-) |
| 22:47.38 | dankolb | :) |
| 22:47.43 | dankolb | You got a return, then? |
| 22:47.53 | dankolb | Well.....you could go back to Ox :) |
| 22:48.07 | Leeds | the guy in the garage says it's just knackered seals and a lack of oil... |
| 22:48.21 | dankolb | Ahh |
| 22:48.25 | Davilion | oops |
| 22:48.28 | dankolb | So just misfortune that is happened in Ox? |
| 22:48.34 | Leeds | he recommended driving to the nearest car dealer and turning it in as part-exchange... then tried to sell me a couple of Corsas |
| 22:48.42 | Davilion | Leeds: yeah same here, it says t68 but has t8i software |
| 22:48.49 | Davilion | so what cool stuff can i do over irda |
| 22:49.01 | Davilion | so far i have openobex downloading now |
| 22:49.02 | Leeds | Davilion: grey/silver rather than blue/white? |
| 22:49.16 | Leeds | openobex is cute - you can send logos to the phone over it :-) |
| 22:49.18 | Davilion | yeah |
| 22:49.59 | Leeds | I've not tried to do things like vcards over it, but it should be possible |
| 22:50.20 | Davilion | what i want to be able to do ideally, in order of priority is 1) connect my laptop to the net in the fastest possible manor over infra red, 2) sync my address book, 3)sync my diary, 3)other cool stuff |
| 22:51.32 | Leeds | laptop is easy... |
| 22:51.41 | Leeds | but expensive if you want high-speed |
| 22:52.03 | Leeds | at the low-level, the address-book should be easy, but I don't know about higher-level stuff |
| 22:54.19 | Davilion | if i can get the data to and from i can munge it away |
| 22:54.26 | Davilion | how expensive? |
| 22:55.01 | Davilion | and speed isnt really an issue, i basically just need it so that when im not in the office i can download new mails etc, and occasionally log into customers etc |
| 22:55.03 | Leeds | how quick? :-) what network? |
| 22:55.20 | Davilion | and in hotels its normally 20p a minute for a crappy landline connection at least |
| 22:55.26 | Davilion | and im on o2 prepay at the moment |
| 22:56.04 | Leeds | ooh, prepay :-( |
| 22:57.06 | Davilion | yeah i know it sucks, but a) my credit rating is awful and b) since the majority of the calls i make are for work and work is never that secure, i dont want to be lumbered with anything if they go titsup.com |
| 22:57.14 | Davilion | i do have a onetel sim kicking around |
| 22:57.48 | Leeds | fair enough... but you pay for it |
| 22:57.58 | Leeds | I'm on Virgin-on-Orange |
| 22:58.28 | Leeds | orange do higher-speed than the other networks |
| 22:58.38 | dankolb | 14k4, isn't it? |
| 23:00.20 | Leeds | or 14k4x2 |
| 23:00.48 | eye69 | Shouldn't it be 43k2 for highspeed GSM? |
| 23:01.14 | Leeds | in theory, but no-one offers that in the UK |
| 23:01.17 | Davilion | yeah, but cost isnt that big an issue since until streamline start managing my bills they can pay the easiest rates for me which happen to be the most expensive |
| 23:01.41 | Leeds | then get GRPS - very very expensive :-) |
| 23:02.20 | Davilion | i take it i need an account with a grps service provider for this? |
| 23:02.39 | Leeds | the operator is the SP |
| 23:02.41 | Davilion | alternatively if i want to just dial an access number is that psosible, i used to just dial my normal isp on my 7210 |
| 23:02.51 | Leeds | sure, no problem |
| 23:03.10 | Davilion | iirc thats only 9600 yes? |
| 23:03.38 | Leeds | yes |
| 23:03.39 | Davilion | i also want to be able to dial my home machine |
| 23:03.57 | Leeds | 2 ways: incoming modem, or always-on and ssh in |
| 23:05.08 | Davilion | incoming modem |
| 23:07.17 | Leeds | so, there's HOWTOs for that kind of thing |
| 23:07.34 | Leeds | biggest problem is that I'd assume you don't want to dedicate a line to it... |
| 23:12.08 | Davilion | yeah thats not a problem at the moment, i'll just set the rings to like 20 or something like that |
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| 23:16.45 | dankolb | HI Axel |
| 23:16.48 | Axel | hi dan |
| 23:16.49 | Axel | =D |
| 23:17.01 | Leeds | evening Axel |
| 23:17.04 | eye69 | Hello Axel |
| 23:17.15 | Axel | hi all |
| 23:17.17 | Davilion | im a bit lost with irda setup, any idea how to find out what kind of adaptor i have? |
| 23:17.34 | Leeds | on your laptop? |
| 23:17.55 | Davilion | yeah dell latitude cpi 266 |
| 23:18.32 | Leeds | you almost certainly don't have *any* adapter... it's probably just one of your serial ports, probably switchable between serial and IRDA in the BIOS |
| 23:18.42 | Axel | should be in the support docu on the dell site.. it used to be quite comprehensive |
| 23:18.54 | Davilion | yeah i can set it to a comm port, wasnt sure if it was an adapter or serial or what |
| 23:18.58 | Davilion | that makes sense now |
| 23:18.59 | Davilion | brb |
| 23:19.00 | eye69 | Davilion: That's smc-ircc |
| 23:19.28 | eye69 | If you want FIR, that is...for SIR it's settable in the BIOS |
| 23:19.47 | Leeds | SIR is plenty :-) |
| 23:20.24 | Davilion | ok do i want to tellt he bios to use sir or fir? |
| 23:20.35 | Leeds | sir |
| 23:20.44 | Davilion | ok cool |
| 23:20.51 | Davilion | then i just point it to the comm port yes? |
| 23:21.00 | Leeds | sir is serial ir, fir is fast ir - it's not an emulated serial port any more |
| 23:21.41 | Davilion | ok cool |
| 23:21.45 | Leeds | or rather not *just* an emulated port... it can go up to 4 Mbps in theory |
| 23:22.15 | Davilion | as opposed to 115200? |
| 23:22.33 | Leeds | yeah |
| 23:22.56 | Leeds | anyone know about Lonix - is the thing shown as yesterday on the web page the only meet this month? |
| 23:22.59 | eye69 | I would love a bluetooth card in the laptop |
| 23:23.46 | Davilion | im going to get a usb bluetooth adaptor which works eventually but irda is good for now and i also have a couple of other irda things i want to work with |
| 23:25.40 | Leeds | £32 for one |
| 23:25.42 | Leeds | http://www.aria.co.uk/ProductsList.asp?Submit=Search&Category=141 |
| 23:28.13 | Davilion | Beastly, it works :) |
| 23:28.15 | Davilion | thanks guys |
| 23:28.25 | Leeds | no probs |
| 23:48.45 | Davilion | ok, heres a backup and restore problem for you, |
| 23:50.00 | Davilion | say i want to sync contacts, the easiest way i can think of is have a tool which rips the contact data out of each address book, it then creates a central copy, and feeds that back to each address book, |
| 23:50.13 | Davilion | when its creates the central copy, how should it go about overwriting things? |
| 23:50.14 | Davilion | ie differences in numbers etc |
| 23:50.29 | Leeds | it's a genuine comp. sci. type problem :-( |
| 23:51.06 | Davilion | i know |
| 23:51.13 | Leeds | if you've got timestamps, you can say newest wins, otherwise you either have it interactive, or decide upfront in a 'PC-overwrites-phone' or 'phone-overwrites-PC' way |
| 23:51.30 | Davilion | thats what im thinking |
| 23:51.44 | Davilion | first things first, i need to get the ripping part done |
| 23:52.10 | Leeds | if you want to be posh, you could play with SyncML :-0 |
| 23:56.02 | Davilion | got a url? |
| 23:56.08 | Davilion | right now im thinking perlgtk |
| 23:56.16 | Leeds | syncml.org probably |
| 23:56.17 | Davilion | could make quite a funky syncmiester2000 |