| 00:00.03 | JakubS | and on laptop, well - 120fps |
| 00:00.10 | floppyears | dooky: true, and you also got an nvidia instea of an ati |
| 00:00.24 | dooky | yep :) |
| 00:00.48 | JakubS | hm, i also have nvidia and difference is large |
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| 00:01.56 | JakubS | dooky: what model? |
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| 00:03.35 | JakubS | wtf? next crash at starting xcompmgr - this time no opengl was running |
| 00:04.35 | JakubS | looks like glxgears fails to clean up |
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| 00:33.41 | martinda | well, glcompmgr is pretty fast.. so long as you don't try to move windows around |
| 00:33.44 | martinda | heh |
| 00:33.52 | martinda | but my "pager" window is updating in realtime |
| 00:34.05 | allex87_ | martinda, glcompmgr? o_O |
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| 00:36.08 | martinda | allex87_: thing I've been working on |
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| 00:36.21 | martinda | allex87_: http://danm.ca/~danm/glcompmgr-progress3.png |
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| 00:36.40 | martinda | needs some... uh.. optimization ;) |
| 00:36.49 | goatboy_ | martinda: you ready to share glcompmgr yet? |
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| 00:37.07 | allex87_ | martinda, yaay.. gnome + industrial theme = awesome ;) |
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| 00:37.24 | martinda | goatboy_: not really, sorry :| |
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| 00:37.37 | martinda | goatboy_: making reasonable progress though |
| 00:38.14 | martinda | allex87_: agreed, I love my desktop |
| 00:38.14 | allex87_ | martinda, don't get what that screenshot shows.. :/ |
| 00:38.14 | dolio | martinda: What's the problem with moving windows? Can't get the X pixmaps into textures fast enough? |
| 00:39.28 | allex87_ | hmm i wanna take a look at xcompmgr's source.. see what it does.. and see if i can modify it to make it look more appealing.. :P |
| 00:39.38 | allex87_ | how do I check it out from cvs? |
| 00:40.03 | dolio | cvs -d:pserver:anoncvs@freedesktop.org:/cvs/xapps co xcompmgr |
| 00:40.10 | dooky | svn++ |
| 00:40.12 | dooky | shifty eyes |
| 00:40.13 | dooky | lol |
| 00:41.11 | dolio | dooky: Go to my patch site and see if precomputed shadows work for you. :) |
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| 00:41.44 | allex87_ | gah |
| 00:41.50 | allex87_ | i need a tutorial on X programming :( |
| 00:41.54 | allex87_ | dunno all these data types :( |
| 00:42.22 | dooky | dolio: lmfao @ your website |
| 00:42.44 | dolio | Heh, which? The main page? |
| 00:42.47 | dooky | yeah |
| 00:42.48 | dooky | haha |
| 00:43.04 | dooky | News Flash: CWRUnabomber Apprehended |
| 00:43.06 | dooky | are those pics of you? |
| 00:43.18 | dolio | Heh. Most of them are friends. |
| 00:43.18 | allex87_ | what's dolio's website? :P |
| 00:43.25 | dooky | lol |
| 00:43.38 | dooky | dolio: .rb.... some sort of ruby apache extesion? |
| 00:44.02 | dolio | dooky: I just have apache run the ruby scripts to generate the page. |
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| 00:44.22 | dolio | dooky: Using the CGI class. |
| 00:44.35 | dooky | dolio: cool. |
| 00:44.57 | dolio | allex87_: http://dolio.cwru.edu/users/dolio/patches/ for the xcompmgr patches. |
| 00:45.12 | dooky | Hunk #8 FAILED at 1811. |
| 00:45.12 | dooky | Hunk #9 succeeded at 1846 (offset 24 lines). |
| 00:45.12 | dooky | Hunk #10 succeeded at 1930 (offset 24 lines). |
| 00:45.12 | dooky | 2 out of 10 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file xcompmgr.c.rej |
| 00:45.16 | dooky | what order should I do the patches in? |
| 00:45.27 | dolio | Hmm... I haven't tested them together. |
| 00:45.41 | dooky | yeah, they bork eachother |
| 00:45.41 | dooky | :) |
| 00:45.51 | dolio | What order did you try them? |
| 00:46.10 | dolio | Oh, I bet I know the problem. |
| 00:46.12 | dooky | in the order they appear on your site. |
| 00:46.20 | dolio | It gets screwed up on the getopt stuff. |
| 00:47.55 | allex87_ | hmm i modded xcompmgr a bit.. see if it works lol |
| 00:48.32 | dolio | dooky: It should be simple to fix the rejects there by hand. |
| 00:48.41 | dooky | this guy in #nvidia is trying to replace the CPU in his xbox |
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| 00:48.46 | shadows | whoooo! |
| 00:48.46 | allex87_ | dolio, thanks ;) I'll try them after my modded version |
| 00:48.48 | shadows | mergedfb |
| 00:48.51 | shadows | it's glorious |
| 00:49.14 | dolio | dooky: #8 should be the getopt line, which needs a R: and a p in the string. |
| 00:49.14 | Tybstar | xorg.spec is huge |
| 00:49.14 | allex87_ | lmfao |
| 00:49.20 | allex87_ | segfault! LOL |
| 00:49.22 | dooky | dolio: k one sec |
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| 00:49.31 | allex87_ | damn it! :P |
| 00:49.34 | dolio | dooky: And then 9 and 10 are additions to the switch statement, which you'd just stick in there, I think. |
| 00:49.48 | shadows | my resolution is 1280x2048 |
| 00:50.18 | martinda | allex87_: well, the window with the windows repeated inside of it is drawn with opengl, and the windows are updated in realtime |
| 00:50.47 | dolio | dooky: Hmm, hold on. Maybe not. |
| 00:50.55 | dooky | - while ((o = getopt (argc, argv, "d:scnfFCaS")) != -1) |
| 00:50.55 | dooky | + while ((o = getopt (argc, argv, "d:R:scnfFCpaS")) != -1) |
| 00:50.59 | dooky | they're in there... |
| 00:51.08 | dooky | is getopt a standard functio? |
| 00:51.11 | dooky | +n |
| 00:51.42 | dolio | dooky: In xcompmgr.c, it will say: getopt (... "d:D:scnfFCaS")) ... |
| 00:51.50 | dolio | You need to put R: and p in there. |
| 00:52.04 | dolio | Because the auto-trans patch changes that line too. |
| 00:52.19 | dooky | alright |
| 00:52.23 | dooky | I need to add |
| 00:52.30 | dooky | R: and p in ther right? |
| 00:52.34 | dolio | Yep. |
| 00:52.44 | dooky | while ((o = getopt (argc, argv, "R:d:D:spcnfFCaS")) != -1) |
| 00:52.45 | dooky | etc? |
| 00:52.53 | allex87_ | ok |
| 00:52.56 | dolio | That should work. |
| 00:53.17 | dolio | Hmm... Maybe I should just make an option patch that changes that line for all the other patches... |
| 00:53.17 | allex87_ | instead of using the sum_gaussian function.. how can I make a transparent gaussian map |
| 00:53.30 | allex87_ | I just want to have shadows on the right and bottom side... |
| 00:53.45 | dolio | allex87_: Change SHADOW_OFFSET_X and SHADOW_OFFSET_Y |
| 00:53.45 | allex87_ | and just commenting the lines out won't work |
| 00:53.53 | allex87_ | gah.. |
| 00:53.54 | allex87_ | lol |
| 00:53.57 | shadows | allex87_, but i like it on top |
| 00:53.59 | shadows | or on bottom |
| 00:54.01 | shadows | if you're nice |
| 00:54.03 | dooky | dolio: hunk #8 still fails |
| 00:54.25 | dolio | dooky: Right, you need to fix those hunks by hand in the main xcompmgr.c file. |
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| 00:54.34 | dooky | I did that one. |
| 00:54.35 | dooky | :) |
| 00:54.40 | dooky | the R: and p |
| 00:54.50 | dolio | Let me recreate the patch against auto-trans. That will be easier. |
| 00:54.55 | dooky | k :P |
| 00:55.00 | oh8gdv | composite can be slow sometimes? |
| 00:55.06 | oh8gdv | like 1 fps on 2,8GHz p4? |
| 00:55.27 | oh8gdv | is there actually a machine on Earth that will run it? |
| 00:55.28 | Tybstar | it's amazing that the fedora X package still has patches from XF86 4.2... |
| 00:56.58 | jg | oh8gdv: you need the render extension to be accelerated to get good performance. |
| 00:57.08 | jg | oh8gdv: what kind of hardware do you have? |
| 00:57.11 | oh8gdv | jg: and ATI doesn't have it? |
| 00:57.14 | oh8gdv | mobility radeon 9000 |
| 00:58.16 | jg | oh8gdv: anholt may be able to tell you what to do (if possible) to get acceleration. |
| 00:58.34 | ryanpg | oh8gdv, render should be enabled by default on that card now afaik |
| 00:58.42 | allex87_ | hmm ok.. shadows on the left and bottom |
| 00:58.43 | oh8gdv | ryanpg: uhm |
| 00:58.49 | jg | ryanpg: I can't keep the different cards straight... |
| 00:58.50 | oh8gdv | ryanpg: I'm using the driver "radeon" |
| 00:58.57 | allex87_ | is there any way to make some windows NOT have the shadows? |
| 00:59.09 | ryanpg | oh8gdv, yeah that's the driver I'm using |
| 00:59.10 | dolio | oh8gdv: You might need Option "RenderAccel" "Enable" in the section for your video card. |
| 00:59.11 | jg | allex87_: entirely up to your programming abilities. |
| 00:59.13 | allex87_ | but certain windows.. |
| 00:59.15 | oh8gdv | (I COULD use ati's binary driver too but it's more unstable and..) |
| 00:59.23 | ryanpg | jg, no prob me either, I happen to have that one :-) |
| 00:59.26 | allex87_ | jg, yeah but I have no clue about X programming :(( |
| 00:59.28 | dolio | allex87: Like which ones? |
| 00:59.36 | ryanpg | oh8gdv, you actually can't use ati binary atm |
| 00:59.36 | allex87_ | dolio, like gnome-panels :P |
| 00:59.41 | jg | allex87_: well, you could learn.... |
| 00:59.42 | ryanpg | so don't even try |
| 00:59.44 | oh8gdv | dolio: have it. |
| 00:59.48 | allex87_ | jg, from where? |
| 00:59.49 | dolio | allex87_: Run with -C |
| 00:59.52 | oh8gdv | ryanpg: why? |
| 00:59.56 | allex87_ | dolio, k.. I'll try |
| 00:59.56 | jg | allex87_: the source... |
| 01:00.02 | ryanpg | it doesn't work with 6.8 + all the goodies |
| 01:00.07 | oh8gdv | ryanpg: oki |
| 01:00.19 | ryanpg | oh8gdv, cat /var/log/Xorg.0.log | grep acceleration |
| 01:00.27 | allex87_ | dolio, nothing happened.. no shadows at all |
| 01:00.38 | oh8gdv | (II) RADEON(0): Render acceleration enabled |
| 01:00.38 | oh8gdv | (II) RADEON(0): Using XFree86 Acceleration Architecture (XAA) |
| 01:00.38 | oh8gdv | (II) RADEON(0): Acceleration enabled |
| 01:00.41 | dolio | allex87_: Sorry, you need -cC |
| 01:00.44 | oh8gdv | 1 fps doesn't sound like accelerated to me. |
| 01:00.49 | dolio | allex87_: Or -sC |
| 01:00.49 | ryanpg | oh8gdv, yet it is |
| 01:00.52 | oh8gdv | especially with 100% CPU load |
| 01:00.57 | allex87_ | dolio, k.. |
| 01:01.11 | ryanpg | oh8gdv, I've found Option "UseFBDev" "On" helps |
| 01:01.16 | dolio | allex87_: -C only excludes shadows on dock windows, it doesn't enable shadows itself. |
| 01:01.25 | ryanpg | if you have the radeonfb module loaded |
| 01:01.25 | oh8gdv | ryanpg: are you using framebuffer then? |
| 01:01.29 | oh8gdv | no. |
| 01:01.39 | jg | oh8gdv: as I remember, there are some exceptions as to what radeons have it actually accelerated. Anholt knows the score. |
| 01:01.39 | oh8gdv | I don't use framebuffer, it just eats precious memory I can use for irc ;) |
| 01:01.45 | allex87_ | dolio, -cC works :D thanks |
| 01:01.49 | oh8gdv | this radeon runs UT2004 at least |
| 01:01.59 | oh8gdv | perhaps composite is harder to run then? ;) |
| 01:02.03 | allex87_ | oh8gdv, what radeon? |
| 01:02.05 | oh8gdv | doubt it, though |
| 01:02.10 | oh8gdv | mobility radeon 9000 still |
| 01:02.10 | dolio | allex87_: Yeah. Shadows on panels bugged me, so I made and option to turn them off. |
| 01:02.12 | allex87_ | my 8500 le can run any game pretty good |
| 01:02.15 | ryanpg | well I have dropshadows and really smooth window dragging and resizing... so something's wrong |
| 01:02.15 | oh8gdv | not very well but it's playable :) |
| 01:02.18 | allex87_ | dolio, cool man :) |
| 01:02.27 | jg | oh8gdv: xcompmgr is implemented using the render extension, not the 3D engine. |
| 01:02.40 | ryanpg | I think the 8500 and the 9000 are the same chipset? |
| 01:02.44 | oh8gdv | jg: so the 2d of the card sucks? |
| 01:03.03 | jg | oh8gdv: no, just that our render extension acceleration is spotty right now. |
| 01:03.28 | oh8gdv | jg: so any chance this will ever work? |
| 01:03.31 | shadows | ryanpg, NOOOOO! |
| 01:03.39 | jg | oh8gdv: part of why composite is defaulting to off right now is that some people will get bad performance. |
| 01:03.42 | jg | oh8gdv: yes. |
| 01:03.49 | oh8gdv | jg: good chance? |
| 01:03.51 | shadows | ryanpg, in this order: 8500=9100, 9000=9200 |
| 01:03.53 | jg | oh8gdv: very high probability. |
| 01:03.56 | shadows | 9000/9200 = crap |
| 01:04.04 | ryanpg | shadows, yeah the 8500 = R200, the 9000 = RV250 |
| 01:04.04 | oh8gdv | jg: sounds good 'cos it's kinda hard to change |
| 01:04.06 | shadows | 8500/9100 = fully supported |
| 01:04.15 | oh8gdv | jg: the word mobility of the name makes it a bit more difficult you know ;) |
| 01:04.25 | shadows | i have a 9000 pro so i should knkow |
| 01:04.25 | ryanpg | shadows, I wouldn't say "crap" |
| 01:04.32 | ryanpg | shadows, I have one too |
| 01:04.34 | shadows | total hunk of burning silicon |
| 01:04.35 | oh8gdv | it'd mean replacing mobo = replacing whole laptop |
| 01:04.39 | shadows | piece of junk |
| 01:04.56 | ryanpg | oh8gdv, what laptop do you have? |
| 01:05.02 | shadows | i'm selling this and getting a 9100 PCI 128MB card soon |
| 01:05.03 | ryanpg | shadows, wy? |
| 01:05.06 | shadows | maybe agp |
| 01:05.08 | Tybstar | i have a RV250 too. am i screwed? |
| 01:05.15 | oh8gdv | ryanpg: fujitsu-siemens amilo d 8830, mobility radeon 9000 and p4 2,8GHz |
| 01:05.16 | shadows | but i have to find a riser for rack mount box first |
| 01:05.16 | ryanpg | Tybstar, no |
| 01:05.34 | ryanpg | oh8gdv, my dell has upgradable video |
| 01:05.38 | Tybstar | ryanpg: good, because i'm just about ready to run a test build of 6.8.0 for my company's distro. :) |
| 01:05.48 | shadows | be aware |
| 01:05.53 | shadows | some things in the config file have changed |
| 01:06.03 | oh8gdv | like Keyboard is now kbd ;) |
| 01:06.03 | shadows | be sure to run /usr/X11/bin/X -configure |
| 01:06.04 | ryanpg | Tybstar, I get good performance running xcompmgr -c, but transset or any other translucency stuff blows |
| 01:06.06 | allex87_ | dolio, I want to make a patch that makes shadows appear on the right and bottom only with a command line option.. I know how to code it, but how can I submit the patch? |
| 01:06.07 | shadows | oh8gdv, yes |
| 01:06.25 | Tybstar | ryanpg: hmm |
| 01:06.25 | oh8gdv | kinda noticed it after it didn't find my keyboard suddenly ;) |
| 01:06.36 | ryanpg | shadows, do you have some technical reason for saying the 9000 is crap? what's so bad about it? |
| 01:07.00 | shadows | it was so bad that they had to rerelease it as the 9200 |
| 01:07.04 | oh8gdv | wonder if I could try composite on sister's workstation |
| 01:07.09 | shadows | because the 9100 (8500) was out selling it |
| 01:07.11 | oh8gdv | it's XP2100+ with GeForce 4 Ti4600 :) |
| 01:07.16 | oh8gdv | it should run it ok? |
| 01:07.21 | ryanpg | shadows, that doesn't count as "technical" |
| 01:07.35 | dolio | allex87_: I don't know who to submit it to. ajax pushed a couple of mine, but he's gone for the weekend, and he really isn't the official maintainer of xcompmgr. |
| 01:07.37 | shadows | would you buy a house that is on fire? |
| 01:07.50 | allex87_ | dolio, ic.. :) |
| 01:07.59 | dolio | allex87_: If you want some place to host it, I'll stick it up with the other patches on my site and add an Author column. |
| 01:08.03 | jg | dolio: send it to keithp. |
| 01:08.23 | jg | oh8gdv: I expect well... |
| 01:08.26 | ryanpg | anholt, you around? we need an authoritative voice :-) |
| 01:08.32 | jg | (with the nvidia binary driver). |
| 01:08.34 | allex87_ | dolio, hmm what should the command line option be for this option? i have no inspiration for these things :$. Yeah! some hosting would be cool :) |
| 01:08.41 | ryanpg | isn' |
| 01:08.53 | dooky | dolio: should i wget that patch? |
| 01:08.54 | allex87_ | "d:scnfFCaS" are not available.. so what do i choose? :/ |
| 01:09.10 | ryanpg | isn't it true that the reason the nvidia drivers work so well with composite is because it does not use XAA? |
| 01:09.38 | dolio | dooky: look again. There should be a diff of the precomputed shadows against auto-trans. |
| 01:09.46 | dooky | k |
| 01:10.03 | mharris | xorg 6.8.0-1 is avail for download |
| 01:10.12 | jg | oh8gdv: I'm very happy running it on my tablet (HP TC1100) which is a lowly 1ghz Pentium M + NVIDIA GeForce 4 Go 420 |
| 01:10.18 | dolio | allex87_: Are you going to add an option for both x and y offset, or just something like -O 4x5? |
| 01:10.29 | allex87_ | mharris, dammit! I finally got mine working :P |
| 01:10.32 | shadows | mharris, -1 ? |
| 01:10.32 | jg | ryanpg: no, they use XAA |
| 01:10.40 | Olsen | mharris: 6.8.0-1? |
| 01:10.41 | mharris | oops, wrong channel |
| 01:10.46 | shadows | was there some last minute bug? |
| 01:10.49 | allex87_ | dolio, well I could add something like -O 4x5.. i guess |
| 01:10.55 | Olsen | whats the difference with 6.8.0? |
| 01:10.58 | allex87_ | dolio, what would that do though? o_O |
| 01:11.09 | dolio | allex87_: The only pain there would be parsing it. |
| 01:11.15 | allex87_ | dolio, like.. what would 4x5 do? XxY offset? |
| 01:11.16 | dooky | dolio: hmm, huk 8 is still failing |
| 01:11.19 | mharris | Olsen: Fedora Core xorg-x11-6.8.0-1 |
| 01:11.27 | shadows | ah |
| 01:11.29 | shadows | very nice |
| 01:11.41 | dolio | dooky: Probably because you manually changed it. |
| 01:11.41 | mharris | The message was intended for #fedora-devel, but I got mixed up ;) |
| 01:11.43 | allex87_ | dolio, nah.. I could do a sscanf with something like "%dx%d" as the parse string |
| 01:11.45 | dolio | :) |
| 01:12.00 | dooky | dolio: nope, deleted the oe I changed and fetched the standard one from cvs. |
| 01:12.09 | dolio | allex87_: Ah, true. Then you just add O: to the getopt string. |
| 01:12.25 | Tybstar | mharris: how much different from 6.7.99.903-6? |
| 01:12.30 | dolio | dooky: Hmm... |
| 01:13.12 | mharris | Tybstar: 0.1.1.0-5 |
| 01:13.21 | Tybstar | mharris: hah |
| 01:13.25 | ryanpg | mharris, quick math |
| 01:13.33 | anholt | ryanpg: what's the questoin? |
| 01:13.35 | Olsen | mharris: ah ok |
| 01:14.11 | ryanpg | oh hey, yeah I've heard from several sources that ati RV250 is "worse" than R200, any idea if that's so? |
| 01:15.40 | anholt | performance-wise, yes. however, some bugs were fixed in the later incarnations of r200. |
| 01:16.03 | shadows | like the 9200 |
| 01:16.05 | shadows | :) |
| 01:16.23 | shadows | 9100, even |
| 01:16.40 | ryanpg | anholt, what about RenderAccel in the RV250, is there more juice to be squeezed out of it? or are we currently at terminal velocity |
| 01:16.56 | shadows | 9100 came out when no one would buy the 9000 |
| 01:17.03 | anholt | we're at the limits of the XAA hook. |
| 01:17.25 | anholt | we can go orders of magnitude faster if we get around that. (my suggestion has been to ditch xaa) |
| 01:17.26 | shadows | 9200 came out when people were buying the 9100 and not the others |
| 01:17.58 | shadows | anholt, how do you propose going around it? |
| 01:18.06 | ryanpg | anholt, ahh... one more question... what's the current thinking on replacing XAA with KAA, is it doable? on the horizon? |
| 01:18.13 | ryanpg | shadows, ditch XAA |
| 01:18.20 | anholt | I think it's doable. It'll be a lot of work. |
| 01:18.49 | anholt | I'd like to get Xati working right with trapezoids, and then start looking at migrating, while also working on offscreen memory management. |
| 01:19.04 | anholt | I'm stuck on trapezoids, though. |
| 01:19.14 | ryanpg | anholt, are you doing your work on debrix? or kdrive |
| 01:19.23 | anholt | kdrive. |
| 01:19.29 | anholt | I don't work on debrix because of tla. |
| 01:19.48 | shadows | not familiar with tla |
| 01:19.50 | ryanpg | anholt, that sucks (about tla) do you need people with radeons to test Xati? |
| 01:20.03 | anholt | not test, fix known issues |
| 01:20.08 | Tybstar | mharris: where is the 6.8.0 srpm? is it only internal to fedora development right now? |
| 01:20.32 | ryanpg | anholt, ok them I'm out :-P, when it's time to test I'll bug you again |
| 01:20.34 | anholt | (./configure --enable-dri, modprobe radeon, Xati = boom) |
| 01:20.53 | ryanpg | anholt, ouch |
| 01:21.15 | dolio | dooky: Okay, retry #2. I seem to be off my game tonight. |
| 01:21.16 | ryanpg | I stopped playing with kdrive before I ever saw ./configure --enable-dri |
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| 01:26.53 | dooky | dolio: we all have off days :) |
| 01:28.10 | dooky | worked. |
| 01:28.34 | dooky | hot compile actio atm.... |
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| 01:29.29 | dooky | dolio: holy crap |
| 01:29.30 | dooky | its slow |
| 01:30.56 | dooky | hmm |
| 01:30.58 | dooky | slow |
| 01:31.04 | dooky | or just /me being a dumbass? |
| 01:31.08 | dooky | :P |
| 01:31.20 | dooky | shadows are like |
| 01:31.22 | dooky | super hot now |
| 01:31.42 | dooky | no |
| 01:31.43 | dooky | its ot me |
| 01:31.44 | dooky | not |
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| 01:32.10 | ryanpg | dooky, what are you doing? |
| 01:32.21 | dooky | messing with dolio's patches. |
| 01:33.59 | ryanpg | dooky, sorry I scrolled back and read that |
| 01:37.04 | dolio | dooky: Does it work or no? Sorry, I was away for a while. |
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| 01:40.07 | dolio | I hope it doesn't slow down shadows. |
| 01:40.17 | dolio | I'm pretty sure it doesn't. :) |
| 01:40.24 | shadows | i'm already slow |
| 01:40.36 | shadows | slower would be like, not going at all |
| 01:40.41 | dolio | Unless array accesses are slower than thousands of floating point operations on your computer. |
| 01:41.02 | dolio | :) |
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| 01:41.53 | dolio | It is slow to begin with, because it precomputes all shadows at the start of the program, but then it reuses them every time, which should be faster. |
| 01:43.05 | dooky | dolio: it does work, it just makes everything god-awfully slow :) |
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| 01:45.34 | dooky | xcompmgr took a dumb |
| 01:45.36 | dooky | :) |
| 01:45.40 | dooky | s/dumb/dump/ |
| 01:46.07 | dooky | dolio: with the way I have stuff cofigured with fvwm |
| 01:46.16 | dooky | i guess, every time I un minimise a window |
| 01:46.16 | dolio | dooky: What options are you running? |
| 01:46.21 | dooky | there is an assload of slowdown |
| 01:46.28 | dooky | ( jeff ) ( ~ ) xcompmgr -cfpF -D .65 -R 100 |
| 01:47.07 | dolio | Well, -R 100 is just a demo. It's a lot slower. |
| 01:47.14 | dolio | Default is -R 12. |
| 01:47.28 | dolio | But if you run -R 100 without -p you'll notice the difference. |
| 01:47.37 | dolio | -R 12 you won't notice on most computers. |
| 01:47.51 | dooky | ok |
| 01:47.54 | dooky | -R 12 looks nice |
| 01:47.56 | dooky | ad works well |
| 01:47.56 | dooky | :) |
| 01:48.00 | dooky | without -p |
| 01:48.04 | dolio | -R 100 isn't really usable, even with precomputed shadows. |
| 01:48.20 | dolio | Just the act of filling the arrays is slow. |
| 01:49.17 | dolio | Which can probably be made better, but I haven't gotten around to that yet. |
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| 01:51.56 | ryanpg | dolio, you don't have a spot to put your patched xcompmgr? |
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| 01:52.10 | ryanpg | I'd like to play with it |
| 01:52.16 | anholt | :) |
| 01:53.00 | dolio | http://dolio.cwru.edu/users/dolio/patches/ |
| 01:53.17 | dolio | anholt: ajax pushed some patches upstream for me yesterday. |
| 01:53.21 | dolio | So nothing right now. :) |
| 01:53.39 | anholt | dolio: huh, missed that |
| 01:53.51 | dolio | anholt: He also tagged a 1.0 release, I think. |
| 01:53.56 | Tybstar | dolio: CWRU huh..do you know an Ashu Chaturvedi? |
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| 01:54.53 | dolio | Tybstar: I don't think I do. |
| 01:55.06 | Tybstar | dolio: ok |
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| 01:55.52 | Tybstar | dolio: good friend of mine in the BME dept up there. but CWRU is a big school, so i'm not surprised. :) |
| 01:56.03 | anholt | dolio: nice |
| 01:56.26 | dolio | Tybstar: :) Heh. That may be the first time I've heard CWRU referred to as a big school. |
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| 01:56.50 | Tybstar | dolio: my college was about 1400 students...only 900 full-time |
| 01:56.51 | Tybstar | :) |
| 01:57.01 | dolio | Heh. I guess we are big, then. |
| 01:57.14 | dooky | dolio: so good work. |
| 01:57.18 | dooky | -R 12 looks hot |
| 01:57.20 | dooky | -D pwns |
| 01:57.22 | dooky | <3 |
| 01:57.23 | dooky | hahahaha |
| 01:57.30 | dolio | dooky: -R 12 is the same as always. :) |
| 01:57.42 | dooky | looks bigger to me. |
| 01:57.56 | dolio | Tybstar: I'm used to comparing to, say, OSU with 50,000 students. |
| 01:58.04 | dooky | just switched to 25 |
| 01:58.06 | dooky | still looks ice |
| 01:58.09 | dooky | nice |
| 01:58.25 | Tybstar | dolio: yeah |
| 01:58.30 | dolio | dooky: Anything under, say, 50 should be usable now, assuming you use -p. |
| 01:58.37 | dooky | yeah |
| 01:58.40 | dooky | hmm, colleges |
| 01:58.41 | dolio | It even works with -f. |
| 01:58.44 | dooky | I wanna go to UCSB. |
| 01:58.52 | dolio | -f chokes on big shadow radii. |
| 02:01.57 | ryanpg | dolio, when I applied xcompmgr-alloc-fix.patch I didn't get the usual "Hunk # succeeded at" messages, just pooped me out at the cli |
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| 02:03.04 | dolio | ryanpg: Did it say it patched xcompmgr.c? |
| 02:03.32 | ryanpg | dolio, "patching file xcompmgr.c" was the last message |
| 02:03.51 | Tybstar | that's good :) |
| 02:03.52 | dolio | ryanpg: Yeah. That's what happens when the patch and the destination match perfectly. |
| 02:04.05 | ryanpg | huh... ok good to go then :-) |
| 02:04.16 | dolio | ryanpg: It only does "Hunk # succeeded..." when it need to put them at different lines than are specified. |
| 02:04.26 | Auzy | hey all |
| 02:04.41 | ryanpg | ahh... so that occured three times when applying xcompmgr-precomp-shadows.patch |
| 02:04.55 | dooky | lol |
| 02:05.07 | ryanpg | all offset 26 lines, which I think is because I applied the other one first |
| 02:05.08 | dooky | its the simpsons episode, where sideshow bob frames krusty the klown! |
| 02:05.32 | ryanpg | dooky, interesting spelling of clown, I'm going to adopt it |
| 02:06.10 | ryanpg | "Vut am I, a klown to you?" |
| 02:06.57 | ryanpg | darn... make fails with the patches |
| 02:08.07 | dooky | ryanpg: don't you ever watch the simpsons? |
| 02:08.25 | ryanpg | dooky, oh yeah I love em... they're on twice daily here |
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| 02:08.41 | dooky | thats how you spell krusty's name! |
| 02:08.54 | ryanpg | dooky, really? I missed that |
| 02:09.01 | dooky | yes :) |
| 02:09.40 | HJ | question, when i'm running xcompmgr in gnome, the windows are able then move over panels. anyone know how to get around this? |
| 02:09.57 | ryanpg | I watch with subtitles on... it's really interesting how the script varries from the actual dialog sometimes |
| 02:10.10 | dooky | why iwth the subtitles? |
| 02:10.13 | dooky | are you deaf ? |
| 02:10.31 | ryanpg | dooky, so I can observe how often the script varies from the dialog for one |
| 02:10.47 | dooky | you have the script ? |
| 02:10.49 | dooky | hmm |
| 02:10.51 | ryanpg | and I've also just gotten used to watching tv with subtitles, I'm hearing |
| 02:10.51 | Auzy | HJ.. you mean the gnome-panels suddenly move to the back?? that happens to me too :( |
| 02:11.19 | ryanpg | dooky, no but my assumption is that subtitles are encoded before final edits are made, there's often descrepancies |
| 02:11.25 | anholt | dolio: are you interested in becoming a committer? I've got a couple of nitpicks on the patches, but that's about it. |
| 02:11.32 | dooky | ryanpg: i thik closed captioning is typed as it goes along. |
| 02:11.40 | anholt | (well, and I haven't read precomp-shadows enough to understand it, but...) |
| 02:11.45 | ryanpg | dooky, no only in some cases |
| 02:11.57 | ryanpg | dooky, with many shows subtitles are encoded |
| 02:12.01 | dolio | anholt: Sure. |
| 02:12.21 | ryanpg | dooky, turn em on sometime when you watch the sympsons, it's really fun |
| 02:13.04 | ryanpg | there's one episode where homer and bart are talking about explosives, bart says "it worked on the test corpse" but the subtitles read "it worked on the test goat" |
| 02:13.23 | ryanpg | dooky, if you're a big fan I highly suggest you try it |
| 02:15.41 | HJ | Auzy: yeah, that |
| 02:17.11 | ryanpg | Auzy, HJ that only happens for me when xcompmgr crashes or is killed |
| 02:17.43 | HJ | as soon as i run it, it's that way until i restart gnome |
| 02:17.54 | ryanpg | what happened to xcompmgr.man it's gone from cvs |
| 02:19.53 | daniels | (for the record, /opt sucks also) |
| 02:20.11 | dooky | ryanpg: cool, I may :) |
| 02:21.11 | ryanpg | dolio, your patches demonstrate the slowness really clearly ;-) |
| 02:21.36 | dooky | ryanpg: its blazing fast for me |
| 02:21.36 | dooky | :) |
| 02:21.52 | ryanpg | dooky, I mean when setting -R anything over 10 |
| 02:22.02 | dooky | its perfectly fine at 25 for me |
| 02:22.02 | anholt | ryanpg: xcompmgr.1 is in cvs |
| 02:22.03 | dooky | :P |
| 02:22.10 | dolio | ryanpg: Really? 12 is default. |
| 02:22.25 | ryanpg | at -R 66 window dragging gets dog slow for me |
| 02:22.45 | dolio | ryanpg: Oh, yeah. 66 is crazy. |
| 02:23.03 | ryanpg | dolio, just like what happens when using transset for me |
| 02:23.52 | ryanpg | anholt, I'm pulling xcompmgr from cvs now |
| 02:24.16 | ryanpg | do I need to co xcompmgr.1 or something? |
| 02:24.56 | Auzy | btw, to use Renderaccel, I need the DRI for my savage card installed right? |
| 02:25.07 | anholt | shouldn't have to. plain cvs up |
| 02:25.50 | ryanpg | anholt, did that... no xcompmgr.man |
| 02:25.57 | anholt | .1 is what's in cvs |
| 02:26.11 | anholt | not .man |
| 02:26.20 | ryanpg | ahh... I get it now... sorry :P |
| 02:26.44 | dolio | ryanpg: When you run with -R 66, are you using -p as well? |
| 02:26.59 | ryanpg | dolio, yes and that improves speed greatly |
| 02:27.06 | dolio | ryanpg: Okay. Good. |
| 02:27.34 | ryanpg | dolio, I'm really just comparing the speed of -R 66 with the speed of transset... too bad -p flag doesn't help transset speed |
| 02:28.13 | dolio | ryanpg: Yeah. -p only precomputes the opacities of shadow images. |
| 02:28.27 | dolio | ryanpg: I can't speed up the actual drawing of the shadow. That's a render thing. |
| 02:28.40 | ryanpg | dolio, yeah I know... just lamenting |
| 02:28.46 | dolio | :) |
| 02:29.05 | dolio | ryanpg: Just nag at martinda to go faster on glcompmgr. |
| 02:29.11 | ryanpg | dolio, does xcompmgr-alloc-fix.patch have anything to do with #1107 |
| 02:29.47 | ryanpg | dolio, yeah, I caught martinda sighing in #xorg, he didn't respond to my inquiry... guess it's not going well :) |
| 02:30.31 | ryanpg | there seems to be a lot of "maybe I'm not really running xorg 6.8" comments in #xorg |
| 02:30.46 | dolio | ryanpg: No, I don't think it addresses that bug. |
| 02:30.52 | ryanpg | dolio, ahh... k |
| 02:31.04 | dolio | It addresses crashes that I think... ankon was telling me about last night. |
| 02:31.49 | dolio | Or, hopefully it does. I haven't heard back from him on it. |
| 02:32.18 | ryanpg | yikes, segfaulted xcompmgr |
| 02:32.42 | dolio | ryanpg: How? |
| 02:32.56 | ryanpg | oops, forgot to add that usleep(20); fix for the afore mentioned bug |
| 02:35.02 | ryanpg | hmm... dolio your patch isn't compatible with that patch |
| 02:36.41 | ryanpg | my ill informed guess is that #1107 is revealing a bigger bug in composite |
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| 02:38.22 | Auzy | is the renderaccel keyword specific to nvidia or will it work on DRI enabled vid cards too |
| 02:38.51 | anholt | in the open-source world, cards with render accel default to it being on. |
| 02:39.40 | Auzy | ok.. cause I have a savage, and unsurprisingly, composite runs dead slow with it.. thinking of getting DRI working again to fix it |
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| 02:39.54 | anholt | won't help. |
| 02:39.57 | Auzy | ok |
| 02:40.08 | Auzy | thanks |
| 02:40.27 | Auzy | guess I'll just have to pray for composite to be optimised then |
| 02:40.33 | anholt | not composite. |
| 02:40.36 | anholt | composite's just fine. |
| 02:41.16 | Auzy | ok |
| 02:41.33 | Auzy | maybe I guess easier to just pray for a better laptop then ;) |
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| 02:42.33 | MrCooper | Auzy: no need to pray, just implement Render acceleration in the savage driver and improve the acceleration architecture ;) |
| 02:43.05 | Auzy | thats not all that needs fixing in the savage driver.. the DMA is also insecure apperently.. |
| 02:43.39 | dooky | dolio: let me kow if you come up with any other great patch ideas |
| 02:43.50 | dooky | I think a cool one would be to make windows that aren't i focus |
| 02:43.59 | dooky | err |
| 02:44.01 | dooky | in focus |
| 02:44.07 | dooky | get more transparent |
| 02:44.11 | dooky | so like -O for out of focus |
| 02:44.12 | MrCooper | Auzy: that's not an issue in the X server |
| 02:44.24 | dooky | xcompmgr -cfF -R 12 -D .65 -O .3 |
| 02:44.26 | MrCooper | Auzy: the X server is trusted to boot |
| 02:44.27 | dooky | comprende? |
| 02:44.49 | Auzy | yeah.. its a driver problem.. basically, just saying that until the security problems get fixed, it wont get included with Xorg anyway |
| 02:45.17 | MrCooper | Auzy: you don't necessarily need the DRI for Render acceleration |
| 02:45.49 | Auzy | hmm |
| 02:45.55 | ryanpg | dooky, dolio I'd like to see OSX style shadows, where the top window has a bigger radius shadow than windows below it |
| 02:46.02 | dolio | dooky: I've tried that, but I couldn't get it to work well. |
| 02:46.15 | dooky | dolio: ah. |
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| 02:46.18 | dooky | :) |
| 02:46.30 | dolio | dooky: But I might know how to make it work better now, so we'll see. |
| 02:46.39 | dolio | Anyhow, I'm going to take my leave for the night. |
| 02:46.41 | dooky | dolio: ask me if you need any help |
| 02:46.46 | dooky | I'm always up to learn new C shit :) |
| 02:46.50 | dooky | dolio: ah, ttyl. |
| 02:46.53 | dolio | It's time for Baseketball. |
| 02:46.57 | dooky | nice |
| 02:47.01 | dolio | Later. |
| 02:51.07 | ryanpg | dooky, when glcompmgr gets done up... do you think translucency (i.e. transset) will enherit opengl'ness? |
| 02:51.42 | dooky | hopefully |
| 02:51.47 | dooky | I'm not part of FDO, so I couldn't tell you |
| 02:51.48 | dooky | :) |
| 02:52.07 | ryanpg | dooky, oh... but you sound so "in the know" :P |
| 02:52.20 | dooky | :) |
| 02:52.25 | dooky | i read alot, talk alot |
| 02:52.30 | dooky | and learn things :) |
| 02:53.37 | ryanpg | I do the first two |
| 02:54.54 | ryanpg | tarnation... xcompmgr is crashing like a teenager with a fake I.D. |
| 02:55.06 | dooky | mmmm |
| 02:55.07 | dooky | fake id |
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| 03:02.02 | HJ | ryanpg: what options you run xcompmgr with? |
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| 03:19.02 | HJ | ok, when i run xcompmgr -c window shadows don't work and the title bar on windows are transclucent. i'm using metactiy 2.8.4 w/the compositor disabled |
| 03:19.09 | HJ | anyone know of the prolem? |
| 03:20.02 | dolio | HJ: Sounds like it's doing its own ARGB stuff still. |
| 03:20.15 | dolio | ARGB windows don't get shadows drawn on them, as I recall. |
| 03:20.23 | HJ | hm |
| 03:20.44 | dolio | So even though it's not doing its own compositing, the fact that it still sets the alpha on title bars makes it not work with -c. |
| 03:20.45 | HJ | wait, i think i rmemeber seeing something about it borking in 2.8.6 even w/compositor disabled |
| 03:20.50 | HJ | let me try downgrading |
| 03:20.55 | HJ | yeah, i see |
| 03:21.37 | HJ | herr, 2.8.4* |
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| 03:27.47 | HJ | when, that did it |
| 03:27.56 | HJ | whe* |
| 03:27.58 | HJ | weh* |
| 03:27.59 | HJ | bah |
| 03:28.02 | Tybstar | heh |
| 03:28.37 | HJ | but i still have the problem where gnome-panel becomes under-neith windows once i run xcompmgr |
| 03:29.30 | HJ | hah, but i fix that by running metacity --replace while xcompmgr is running |
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| 03:46.16 | allex87 | dolio, still there? |
| 03:47.09 | allex87 | HJ, killall gnome-panel |
| 03:47.39 | HJ | allex87: metacity --replace works great for me, plus it's a little cleaner to do |
| 03:49.49 | dooky | dolio: what would you define as "brutal metal" |
| 03:49.50 | dooky | lol |
| 03:50.14 | allex87 | some new type of metal :P |
| 03:50.30 | allex87 | hmm |
| 03:50.43 | allex87 | was wondering why all of a sudden xcompmgr is DEAD slow.. |
| 03:50.56 | allex87 | i forgot i was compiling openoffice in the background lol |
| 03:51.18 | dooky | hahaha |
| 03:51.23 | allex87 | yeah.. |
| 03:51.35 | allex87 | i made a cool patch for xcompmgr ;) |
| 03:51.42 | allex87 | dolio has it :) |
| 03:52.15 | allex87 | its on his site.. |
| 03:52.30 | allex87 | dooky, you were trying some patches right? |
| 03:52.44 | dooky | yeah |
| 03:52.48 | dooky | i tried a bunch |
| 03:52.56 | allex87 | try the last one on http://dolio.cwru.edu/users/dolio/patches/ |
| 03:53.09 | allex87 | allows u to change shadow transparency and offset |
| 03:53.11 | allex87 | ;) |
| 03:53.16 | dooky | oe sec |
| 03:53.20 | allex87 | kk |
| 03:53.52 | allex87 | the syntax is xcompmgr -cC(if u want) -o x.y.t transparency is from 0 to 100 |
| 03:54.17 | allex87 | i run xcompmgr -cC -o 8.8.40 |
| 03:54.26 | allex87 | looks pretty good imho |
| 03:54.37 | dooky | doesn't work with the other patches |
| 03:54.37 | dooky | :P |
| 03:54.48 | allex87 | gah.. didn't test other patches.. |
| 03:55.00 | allex87 | checkout the cvs :/ |
| 03:55.06 | dooky | i just did |
| 03:55.09 | allex87 | ok |
| 03:55.54 | dooky | compiling |
| 03:56.47 | dooky | oooh |
| 03:56.48 | dooky | I get it |
| 03:56.53 | dooky | yeah that does look pretty cool |
| 03:57.10 | allex87 | :) |
| 03:57.23 | allex87 | gah |
| 03:57.36 | allex87 | 2 compiles.. 1 is ooo and another is libgtop |
| 03:57.41 | allex87 | and xcompmgr running |
| 03:57.43 | allex87 | o_O |
| 03:57.46 | allex87 | laaaag |
| 03:58.25 | dooky | now make it work with the other patches |
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| 03:58.30 | dooky | and I"ll use it as well :) |
| 03:58.49 | allex87 | after libgtop emerges.. i can't work like this.. lol |
| 03:59.13 | dooky | lol |
| 03:59.20 | allex87 | how do I apply one of those patches btw? |
| 03:59.31 | allex87 | ok.. umm what patches you want to have? |
| 03:59.37 | dooky | autotrans |
| 03:59.50 | dooky | patch -p1 < patch-name.patch |
| 03:59.51 | allex87 | just that/ |
| 03:59.56 | allex87 | ? |
| 04:00.00 | dooky | it needs to work with autotrans :P |
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| 04:00.14 | allex87 | what does autotrans do? |
| 04:00.22 | dooky | automatically make windows transparet |
| 04:00.26 | dooky | so you don't have to use transset |
| 04:00.28 | allex87 | oh cool |
| 04:00.44 | allex87 | no precomp-shadows? :P |
| 04:00.57 | dooky | hrm? |
| 04:01.03 | allex87 | nm |
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| 04:04.40 | Tybstar | where can i download a snapshot of the xcompmgr source? |
| 04:05.32 | Tybstar | n/m, found cvs. |
| 04:06.32 | allex87 | dooky, almost done ;) |
| 04:06.39 | dooky | allex87: yay |
| 04:12.34 | allex87 | damn.. |
| 04:12.46 | allex87 | the shadows won't show up at all with my patch :/ |
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| 04:13.43 | Tybstar | whee. |
| 04:13.51 | Tybstar | i have shadowed windows. |
| 04:14.01 | Tybstar | pretty slow though, on a ATI Mobility 9000 |
| 04:14.45 | Tybstar | i wonder if metacity is mucking me up |
| 04:14.58 | Tybstar | onpe. |
| 04:15.00 | Tybstar | nope. |
| 04:16.12 | wasabi | need to enable render acceleration |
| 04:16.20 | Tybstar | i think i have it.. |
| 04:16.27 | wasabi | dunno how to do it on ATI |
| 04:16.27 | allex87 | dooky, wait.. lol it does work.. lol wtf was I doing? lol tired |
| 04:16.35 | allex87 | dooky, making a patch now ;) |
| 04:16.45 | Tybstar | (II) RADEON(0): Render acceleration enabled |
| 04:16.51 | MrCooper | Tybstar: the current XAA simply doesn't cut it for Composite |
| 04:17.00 | dooky | lol |
| 04:17.04 | Tybstar | MrCooper: *nod* |
| 04:17.05 | dooky | allex87: yay thaks :) |
| 04:18.49 | allex87 | np |
| 04:21.43 | allex87 | dooky, ? |
| 04:22.06 | dooky | oh sorry |
| 04:22.09 | allex87 | heh np |
| 04:22.10 | dooky | working o omethig else |
| 04:22.15 | allex87 | np |
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| 04:29.38 | dooky | lol |
| 04:29.41 | dooky | did the cvs server ban me? |
| 04:29.48 | dooky | 204.210.36.136 |
| 04:30.30 | MrCooper | dooky: ssh access seems down, pserver works for me |
| 04:30.42 | dooky | Ah. So maybe the server is down? |
| 04:31.06 | MrCooper | which 'the'? |
| 04:32.09 | dooky | cvs |
| 04:32.09 | dooky | :P |
| 04:32.15 | dooky | for uh |
| 04:32.17 | anholt | pdx? |
| 04:32.17 | daniels | there's no reason why ssh should be down |
| 04:32.19 | dooky | xcompmgr |
| 04:32.22 | anholt | worksforme |
| 04:32.28 | daniels | i can ssh to it just fine, and there are no restrictions |
| 04:32.35 | dooky | hmm |
| 04:34.14 | MrCooper | daniels: ssh times out here |
| 04:34.14 | dooky | MrCooper: as does cvs for me |
| 04:34.14 | MrCooper | dooky: via ssh or pserver? |
| 04:34.53 | dooky | i have no ideas |
| 04:34.56 | MrCooper | dolio: cat CVS/Root |
| 04:34.58 | dooky | pserver |
| 04:35.03 | dooky | !!! cvs login command " cvs -q -f -z4 -d ":pserver:anoncvs:@freedesktop.org:/cvs/xapps" login" failed |
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| 04:35.35 | vektor | Quick, anyone here run GNOME with a theme using either the "smooth" or "industrial" engines? |
| 04:35.49 | vektor | I'm trying to track down a bug... :( |
| 04:35.54 | DrNick | I'm using SmoothGNOME |
| 04:36.10 | Auzy | not me |
| 04:36.25 | daniels | sounds like passing connectivity problems |
| 04:36.45 | Auzy | maybe irc.gimp.org #gnome is a better choice for asking about gnome theme probs ;) |
| 04:36.54 | vektor | :) |
| 04:39.05 | allex87 | vektor, I use industrial theme |
| 04:43.04 | MrCooper | hmm, now pserver hangs for me as well... |
| 04:46.24 | MrCooper | PING freedesktop.org (131.252.208.82): 56 data bytes |
| 04:46.24 | MrCooper | --- freedesktop.org ping statistics --- |
| 04:46.24 | MrCooper | 9 packets transmitted, 0 packets received, 100% packet loss |
| 04:47.03 | Tybstar | MrCooper: probably just filtering pings? |
| 04:47.29 | MrCooper | works again, including ssh |
| 04:47.30 | anholt | wow. first time I've seen pdx more than 10% loaded on average. |
| 04:47.55 | MrCooper | wonder what was up |
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| 04:49.17 | fx-br | hello guys, could anoyne help with hal? |
| 04:49.38 | allex87 | --- www.freedesktop.org ping statistics --- |
| 04:49.38 | allex87 | 4 packets transmitted, 4 received, 0% packet loss, time 3002ms |
| 04:49.42 | allex87 | o_O |
| 04:50.26 | MrCooper | looks like some ISP on my route to pdx are having issues |
| 04:50.26 | MrCooper | ISPs even |
| 04:51.17 | allex87 | well.. I'm off to sleep |
| 04:51.19 | allex87 | later |
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| 05:01.03 | fx-br | my hal-device-manager show me "Unknown" to my usb device. How could I "teach" to hal about (vendor, product name) my usb device? |
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| 05:23.32 | ali3nx | anyone around thats familiar with xorg 6.8.0 compilation? |
| 05:23.50 | ali3nx | i'm getting compile errors from sgmlfmt |
| 05:26.12 | anholt | and you have sglfmt? |
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| 06:09.51 | ali3nx | anholt, i would think not.... |
| 06:10.01 | ali3nx | theres nothing there |
| 06:10.19 | ali3nx | i'm not clear on which package would provide it |
| 06:11.18 | ali3nx | oi |
| 06:11.21 | dolio | Hi. |
| 06:11.31 | ali3nx | morning |
| 06:11.36 | ali3nx | sorta =] |
| 06:14.28 | ali3nx | roflmao |
| 06:14.29 | ali3nx | http://maddox.xmission.com/c.cgi?u=websense |
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| 06:16.59 | HJ | can i tell xcompmgr to make menus transparent? |
| 06:17.16 | dolio | Not currently. |
| 06:17.29 | HJ | damn, i remember back with xserver you could |
| 06:17.40 | HJ | or it did by default |
| 06:17.43 | dolio | Really? Hmm... |
| 06:17.46 | HJ | yup |
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| 06:22.33 | anholt | it was something about toplevel windows iirc. (which, incidentally, included xscreensaver) |
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| 06:40.56 | wasabi | so how do you enable render accel on a radeon? |
| 06:41.34 | anholt | you do nothing. |
| 06:42.16 | wasabi | oh. so it's just slow as mollasase by normal. =( |
| 06:43.02 | MrCooper | anholt: you or me? ;\ |
| 06:43.16 | anholt | MrCooper: I'm waiting for my mail message to show up in the archives |
| 06:43.37 | MrCooper | anholt: ah, cool |
| 06:43.54 | anholt | I'll probably have send one or two more emails. then bind freaking keys to links to them. :/ |
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| 07:09.46 | ankon | dolio, i get far less crashes with xcompmgr now |
| 07:09.56 | dolio | ankon: Good. |
| 07:10.33 | ankon | i modified it to display the request-names that failed, but i don't find a way to get the complete request structure |
| 07:10.36 | dolio | Does the allocate patch seem to be working, or do you still get the trace from shadow_pixmap? |
| 07:11.01 | dolio | Or, whichever that was. |
| 07:11.27 | ankon | not seen in quite a while |
| 07:12.19 | ankon | x sometimes dies (black screen, cpu use 100%), but i don't know yet who's responsible for that. nvidias renderaccel, xcompmgr, or something different. |
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| 07:12.46 | dolio | Hmm. |
| 07:12.48 | Auzy | I've had no crashes on my savage so far |
| 07:13.02 | Auzy | that doesn't have renderaccel |
| 07:13.05 | ankon | i never saw warnings vom freebsd's malloc again since then |
| 07:13.18 | Auzy | but I haven't been using xcompmgr |
| 07:13.22 | MrCooper | ankon: no client can be responsible for something like that |
| 07:13.35 | ankon | MrCooper, yeah. but something a client does could |
| 07:13.56 | MrCooper | ankon: trigger yes, be responsible no |
| 07:14.02 | ankon | but my current guess is some problem in nvidias driver, yeah |
| 07:14.02 | anholt | ankon: I would try turning off nvidia render accel. I've heard one definite report of that causing hangs. |
| 07:14.39 | ankon | anholt, interesting datapoint: w/o renderaccel, xcompmgr running, xorg uses up all cpu, and dies after less than 5mins |
| 07:14.47 | anholt | heh |
| 07:14.56 | ankon | with renderaccel, xcompmgr runs for more than 1hour stable |
| 07:15.10 | anholt | and with open-source nv driver? |
| 07:15.20 | ankon | anholt, freebsd nvidia binary 6113 |
| 07:15.26 | ankon | i could test the other |
| 07:15.34 | anholt | yeah, I'd figured that, but comparing to open-source would be useful |
| 07:15.44 | ankon | okay, give me some minutes |
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| 07:18.05 | ali3nx | anholt, does freedesktop have sgmlformat in cvs someplace? |
| 07:18.28 | anholt | nah, that's a tool from somewhere else |
| 07:18.34 | ali3nx | hm |
| 07:18.39 | anholt | sgmtools? |
| 07:18.59 | ali3nx | gentoo's doc use is making it call sgmlfmt on compile |
| 07:19.07 | anholt | err, nope, distribution's actually called sgmlformat |
| 07:19.15 | ali3nx | yea |
| 07:19.19 | ali3nx | i googled |
| 07:19.27 | tor_ | anholt: is color expansion slow on radeons? that, or drawing with GXand/GXor modes? |
| 07:19.35 | ali3nx | http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=63627 |
| 07:19.38 | anholt | tor_: xorg? should be fast. kdrive? should be slow. |
| 07:19.48 | tor_ | anholt: xorg |
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| 07:21.13 | tor_ | anholt: I'm getting reports that a change I did recently to mozilla to use those functions is causing a performance problem. so far the two people who have given configs are using radeons/xorg |
| 07:21.40 | ankon | anholt, i don't see the effect of using more and more cpu with the nv. the load goes down again after creating transparent windows or moving them around |
| 07:21.51 | ankon | as to the crashes, let's see :) |
| 07:22.32 | anholt | what were you doing before that's now a color expand fill? |
| 07:22.54 | anholt | (or is it entirely new?) |
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| 07:26.44 | tor_ | anholt: tiling a image with a mask used to be done by creating a couple temporary surfaces (image, clip mask) tiling on them, then copying to the target surface. now it uses stipple/tile/GX* to do it without the extra surfaces |
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| 07:33.41 | daniels | daniel@gabe:~% sudo iptables -L OUTPUT -v |
| 07:33.41 | daniels | Chain OUTPUT (policy ACCEPT 1384M packets, 1823G bytes) |
| 07:34.43 | ankon | in which timeframe? ^^ |
| 07:36.40 | ankon | anholt, no crash sofar. cpu usage still regular (given that it does software rendering). no problems with 6 complex transparent windows. -fc is even usable if i don't use translucent windows |
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| 07:39.09 | anholt | ankon: I'm guessing it's time to wait for nvidia to release a new driver :) |
| 07:39.19 | daniels | ankon: possibly one month, although it's almost certainly wrapped |
| 07:39.26 | daniels | the ifconfig statistics wrap with alarming regularity |
| 07:40.21 | anholt | tor_: I'm confused. you're drawing some image, but using a stipple? (not just a solid color, and stippling that onto the screen) |
| 07:41.22 | ankon | one month to a new driver for freebsd? the last one took an eternity *g* |
| 07:41.30 | anholt | heh, yeah |
| 07:41.49 | ankon | ah, misread that, daniels sorry. |
| 07:41.52 | daniels | ankon: er sorry, i thought you were meaning the 1.8TB thing |
| 07:42.21 | ankon | yeah i meant that. but you "one month" statement fitted so nicely with the "wait for new driver" :/ |
| 07:42.23 | tor_ | anholt: the alpha mask is stippled (GXand), then the image data is tiled atop (GXor) |
| 07:42.46 | daniels | heh |
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| 08:22.15 | oh8gdv | anholt: morning |
| 08:23.04 | anholt | hi |
| 08:23.14 | oh8gdv | anholt: I probably missed the discussion, I was sleeping. how long do you think it'll take for my mobility radeon 9000 to get supported? |
| 08:23.17 | oh8gdv | properly |
| 08:23.23 | oh8gdv | I get 1 fps on p4 2,8GHz.. |
| 08:23.28 | anholt | don't know what the problem is that you're experiencing |
| 08:23.43 | oh8gdv | it's REALLY slow. like it was 100% software rendered. |
| 08:23.59 | oh8gdv | and still I would had imagined p4 would do it better |
| 08:24.00 | anholt | referring to xcompmgr? it mostly is. |
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| 08:24.19 | oh8gdv | anholt: but what about the video there was where it was smooth, 20fps or more.. :/ |
| 08:24.42 | anholt | http://freedesktop.org/pipermail/xorg/2004-September/003093.html |
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| 08:26.43 | oh8gdv | anholt: so basically xcompmgr and all the things won't be usable for years? |
| 08:27.20 | oh8gdv | I hope I get that 15GHz laptop soon so I can have real transparency.. |
| 08:27.21 | oh8gdv | not |
| 08:28.38 | Cwiiis | oh8gdv: Someone will write an opengl compmgr and I'm sure that'll perform a bit better :) Only problem then is you won't be able to have 3d accelerated apps :/ |
| 08:28.57 | anholt | cpu power doesn't matter at all. |
| 08:29.09 | anholt | read the link. "I would like to work on bringing in a new acceleration architecture for our next release." |
| 08:29.12 | oh8gdv | anholt: well, compmgr as it is seems to make X draw 100% CPU. |
| 08:29.14 | anholt | releases are 6 months apart. |
| 08:29.23 | anholt | yes. and cpu power still doesn't matter. |
| 08:29.31 | anholt | the bottleneck is pulling data over the bus. |
| 08:30.08 | eikke | can I start xcompmgr when my WM is already running? |
| 08:30.10 | oh8gdv | mmkay. |
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| 08:30.56 | dolio | eikke: Yes. |
| 08:31.06 | dolio | eikke: How do you enter X? |
| 08:31.15 | eikke | dolio: startx? |
| 08:31.42 | dolio | eikke: You should be able to put xcompmgr in your .xinitrc, I think. |
| 08:32.17 | eikke | xcomp fcks up everything |
| 08:32.37 | eikke | existing windows dont get updated or something |
| 08:32.40 | eikke | I'll make a screenie |
| 08:34.23 | oh8gdv | eikke: did you start it "xcompmgr &" |
| 08:34.37 | eikke | http://gentoo.optiseo.be/~nicolas/xcomp-fck.png |
| 08:34.46 | eikke | as you can see, there are actually only 2 xterms opened |
| 08:34.54 | eikke | I just dragged them around a little |
| 08:36.29 | anholt | eikke: nvidia binary driver? |
| 08:36.32 | eikke | nope |
| 08:36.54 | eikke | I got a 3d rage pro, so its ati (and mach64 dri I think, should check glxinfo) |
| 08:37.46 | dolio | Reminds me of when I've fiddled around with the damage code. |
| 08:37.48 | anholt | interesting. |
| 08:38.05 | eikke | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Mach64 [Rage Pro] 20030502 AGP 2x x86/MMX |
| 08:38.14 | eikke | some other things are broken too |
| 08:38.19 | anholt | wonder if it uses some different layers than others |
| 08:38.31 | eikke | if I click on a window thats partly behind an xterm, it isnt sent to the foreground etc |
| 08:38.56 | eikke | could it be wm-related? |
| 08:39.22 | dolio | The click-not-raising is 'wm-related'. |
| 08:39.34 | dolio | As in, I've heard it happen with some, but not with others. |
| 08:39.44 | eikke | hmm, it did work before. I only updated to xorg 6.8 (and added composite and render to config), no other changes |
| 08:40.00 | eikke | xorg 6.7 with fb 0.9.10 worked perfectly |
| 08:40.12 | eikke | maybe recompile my wm |
| 08:40.22 | dolio | eikke: Does it not work even when xcompmgr isn't enabled? |
| 08:40.36 | eikke | it never works, wether xcompmgr is running or not |
| 08:41.51 | dolio | eikke: I just realized I misread your initial question. |
| 08:42.07 | dolio | You should be able to start xcompmgr at any time. |
| 08:42.18 | dolio | :) Sorry about that. |
| 08:42.31 | anholt | does behavior change if you remove composite from your config? |
| 08:42.42 | anholt | (also, there is no reason to put stuff about render in your config file) |
| 08:43.03 | eikke | anholt: that was in the gentoo wiki where I got my information |
| 08:43.10 | oh8gdv | anholt: what hardware is that video recorded on? http://payne.aldervista.de/xorg.avi |
| 08:43.11 | anholt | then smack them. |
| 08:43.12 | eikke | I'll close x and change config |
| 08:43.14 | dolio | Yeah, I'm not sure where that started. |
| 08:43.15 | oh8gdv | anholt: I mean, there it's _smooth_ |
| 08:43.22 | anholt | oh8gdv: no idea. |
| 08:43.41 | oh8gdv | is it really on any hardware? |
| 08:43.48 | oh8gdv | is it just bunch of screenshots |
| 08:44.03 | anholt | never seen the video, and don't plan to. too busy. |
| 08:44.47 | oh8gdv | well, I'll describe (it's like 15 seconds long anyways) : there are four transparent windows and they're moved around |
| 08:44.52 | oh8gdv | it's really smooth. |
| 08:45.00 | anholt | whoopee. I can do that on Xati. |
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| 08:45.07 | oh8gdv | Xati? |
| 08:45.12 | anholt | my kdrive server. |
| 08:45.20 | eikke | anholt: remloving the Composite stuff in config fixes it |
| 08:46.15 | anholt | eikke: ok. could you describe, and possibly screenshot, what the issues were that were happening when composite was enabled but you didn't have a compmgr running? |
| 08:46.18 | eikke | in a minute |
| 08:46.26 | eikke | gotto help my father with something first |
| 08:46.27 | eikke | brb |
| 08:46.30 | anholt | this is a much more interesting failure -- I thought I had nailed all the cw bugs that affected the non-compositing cases. |
| 08:46.43 | eikke | I got a special machine ;) |
| 08:47.51 | dolio | :) Just got everyone's favorite: xcompmgr stops redrawing the screen bug. |
| 08:48.05 | dolio | I should figure out what causes that. |
| 08:49.17 | anholt | dolio: oh, other things I didn't mention before: to generate ChangeLog entries (expected with every commit to most of the apps/libs/servers we've got), you can use prepare-ChangeLog.pl which is in most of our home directories in ~/bin (incl. mine) on pdx. And one-issue commits are of course preferred to megacommits :) |
| 08:49.58 | Cwiiis | oh8gdv: That's really not that smooth at all in that video... That's about as smooth as it is for me on my mobility 9000 using the DRI driver with the RENDER acceleration enabled... |
| 08:50.05 | dolio | anholt: Okay. |
| 08:51.02 | dolio | I figured as much on the commits. I've been trying to break stuff up. |
| 08:51.28 | oh8gdv | Cwiiis: !!!! |
| 08:51.31 | anholt | yeah |
| 08:51.49 | oh8gdv | Cwiiis: repeat, you have mobility radeon, DRI driver ("radeon") and it's _smooth_? |
| 08:52.15 | oh8gdv | Cwiiis: tell me, what did you do? or what did I do wrong? |
| 08:52.42 | Cwiiis | oh8gdv: It's not smooth though... It's not really slow or anything, but it's certainly not smooth... |
| 08:53.04 | Cwiiis | oh8gdv: I have a 64 meg mobility 9000 and a P4 2.66ghz with 512 megs of RAM, so the system's fairly hefty - How does it perform for you? |
| 08:53.06 | oh8gdv | Cwiiis: but I get perhaps 1 fps or so.. |
| 08:53.18 | oh8gdv | Cwiiis: on p4 2,8GHz and 1G RAM |
| 08:53.18 | Cwiiis | oh8gdv: How are you running xcompmgr? |
| 08:53.24 | oh8gdv | compmgr -c & |
| 08:53.34 | oh8gdv | then transset to enable transparency |
| 08:53.46 | oh8gdv | xcompmgr perhaps, even |
| 08:54.19 | oh8gdv | even without transparency it's really slow. |
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| 08:57.30 | Cwiiis | oh8gdv: I haven't tried the transparency, but with -c, it's fairly nippy with a single window and about as good as that video with 3 or 4... |
| 08:58.35 | anholt | adding XaaNoOffscreenPixmaps to your device section in config is a tradeoff that may help some people with radeons with xcompmgr -c and friends. |
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| 09:00.05 | eikke | ok |
| 09:00.37 | eikke | anholt: saw that screenshot with xcompmgr? |
| 09:00.57 | anholt | what about it? |
| 09:00.59 | Cwiiis | anholt: What does that do, out of interest? |
| 09:01.04 | eikke | well, thats one evidence ;) |
| 09:01.12 | anholt | that's with xcompmgr. I want *without* |
| 09:01.16 | eikke | ah |
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| 09:02.11 | eikke | well, its just: if a window is overlapping (is that english?) another one, and I click on the item of the window under it in my pager, it doesnt come to front |
| 09:02.17 | anholt | doesn't put pixmaps in framebuffer. that's a whole bunch of tradeoffs, so I coudln't say in any way what effect it will have for you |
| 09:02.20 | eikke | thats it, in fact |
| 09:02.54 | eikke | windows stay on top, arent sent to the back |
| 09:02.56 | anholt | eikke: so that happens with no xcompmgr having been run during this x session, when you have composite enabled, but not when you have composite disabled? |
| 09:03.10 | eikke | thats it |
| 09:03.26 | eikke | when I use my old xorg config, it works, when usiong the old one + composite extension, i get this issue |
| 09:04.12 | anholt | with xcompmgr not being run in that x session at all? |
| 09:04.25 | eikke | idd |
| 09:04.35 | anholt | what? |
| 09:04.37 | eikke | hmm, I just read the #fluxbox topic |
| 09:04.41 | eikke | idd = indeed |
| 09:04.53 | eikke | lower weirdness. Put your slit layer to |
| 09:04.54 | eikke | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:05.18 | anholt | they have a compositing manager in it now? |
| 09:05.23 | anholt | oh, misread |
| 09:05.52 | eikke | so it *could* be WM related |
| 09:05.53 | eikke | asking now |
| 09:06.52 | oh8gdv | Cwiiis: try transparency |
| 09:08.07 | oh8gdv | anholt: Option "XaaNoOffscreenPixmaps" "true" ? |
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| 09:08.29 | anholt | sure |
| 09:09.22 | eikke | https://freedesktop.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1264 |
| 09:09.43 | eikke | I'll try that |
| 09:10.16 | Cwiiis | oh8gdv: I can't, the computer I had installed it on is off for repairs :p hehe |
| 09:11.23 | Cwiiis | anholt: Speaking of bugs in xcompmgr, if you run an opengl-accelerated windowed app, everything becomes *extremely* slow afterwards til you restart it - Also, running a full-screen opengl-accelerated app crashes it |
| 09:11.50 | anholt | xcompmgr has issues. |
| 09:12.04 | dolio | Cwiiis: How old is your xcompmgr? |
| 09:13.33 | Cwiiis | dolio: The one I tried, I got from CVS about 4 days ago I think |
| 09:13.49 | Cwiiis | dolio: I remember talking to you when I was trying it, I tried some of your patches |
| 09:14.49 | dolio | I think a bug reportedly related to the full-screen opengl crashing was fixed. |
| 09:14.54 | eikke | ok, that slit thing solved the issue |
| 09:14.58 | oh8gdv | anholt: I think it's a bit better.. but nowhere near usable. |
| 09:15.06 | eikke | anholt: so its not composite related I guess, but glux related |
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| 09:15.53 | dolio | Fixed in cvs, that is. |
| 09:16.02 | eikke | xcompmgr still fckd tough |
| 09:16.10 | dolio | :) |
| 09:16.34 | dolio | It works differently with every window manager. |
| 09:16.51 | eikke | hmm, maybe I should try another then |
| 09:17.05 | eikke | pekwm or openbox? or fvwm? (thats all i got I think) |
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| 09:17.26 | dolio | There's a guy around here who's quite happy with it with fvwm. |
| 09:17.39 | eikke | ok. got no config, but well ;) |
| 09:17.40 | dolio | Although, he has a GeForce 6800. |
| 09:17.45 | floppyears | I use fvwm, and I'm happy :) |
| 09:17.47 | eikke | brb, going to test |
| 09:18.24 | snakster | hi, can anyone tell me wether x.org works with the ati fglrx drivers? |
| 09:18.40 | snakster | (6.8) |
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| 09:20.46 | eikke | hmm same issue |
| 09:21.00 | eikke | could it be Esetroot related? |
| 09:21.01 | mharris | snakster: It's the other way around |
| 09:21.23 | mharris | Wether ATI supports the fglrx driver on X.Org 6.8.0 or not |
| 09:21.45 | mharris | Their website doesn't seem to indicate they support 6.8.0, so it may or may not work. |
| 09:22.15 | dolio | eikke: Does it go away if you don't esetroot? |
| 09:22.18 | snakster | ok |
| 09:22.36 | eikke | hmm, got to restart x to try I guess, or can I "undo" esetroot? |
| 09:22.56 | dolio | No idea. |
| 09:23.02 | eikke | brb |
| 09:24.58 | dolio | anholt: I don't see prepare-ChangeLog.pl in ~anholt. |
| 09:25.10 | dolio | anholt: or bin/ for that matter. |
| 09:25.58 | anholt | ~anholt/bin/ |
| 09:26.44 | dolio | Ah, nevermind. |
| 09:26.51 | dolio | I'm an idiot. |
| 09:27.52 | eikke | hahaaaa |
| 09:27.53 | eikke | tracked down |
| 09:27.59 | eikke | without Esetroot, it works |
| 09:28.06 | eikke | without fbsetroot, it works |
| 09:28.18 | eikke | with Esetroot or fbsetroot, it doesnt update well |
| 09:28.31 | dolio | I was looking at your ~anholt on pdx through konqueror. |
| 09:28.54 | eikke | without fbsetroot, start xcompmgr, start fbsetroot, if fcks up, when I kill xcompmgr then, I get a nice background, like it should |
| 09:29.13 | eikke | so this must be some *setroot <-> composite thing |
| 09:29.19 | eikke | (not fbsetroot, fbsetbg) |
| 09:29.48 | dolio | Well, it's not a general setroot thing. |
| 09:30.15 | dolio | Or... It could be perhaps. |
| 09:30.28 | dolio | I don't know how KDE draws the background. |
| 09:30.32 | eikke | me neither |
| 09:30.43 | eikke | it is possible fbsetbg runs Esetroot, dunno |
| 09:30.48 | anholt | heh |
| 09:30.59 | dolio | Well, unlikely since you don't need Eterm to install fbsetbg. |
| 09:31.31 | dolio | Does xsetroot give you the same problem? |
| 09:31.38 | eikke | xsetroot, hmm |
| 09:31.45 | eikke | command line? |
| 09:31.49 | ankon | fbsetbg tries some *setroots until it finds one suitable |
| 09:32.06 | ankon | so it *could* be possible that it finds Esetroot |
| 09:32.14 | dolio | I stand corrected. |
| 09:32.29 | eikke | whats the xsetroot command line? |
| 09:32.33 | ankon | but, that was configurable iirc. /me is checking something |
| 09:33.24 | eikke | I'll try a -solid |
| 09:33.24 | dolio | xsetroot -bitmap <filename> |
| 09:33.30 | eikke | its a png... |
| 09:34.58 | dolio | Does esetroot even give problems when you set to a solid color? |
| 09:35.02 | ankon | eikke, fbsetbg -i tells you which programm it will use |
| 09:36.07 | eikke | hmm |
| 09:36.30 | eikke | using xsetroot -solid grey works (xcompmgr works, no left windows) |
| 09:36.48 | eikke | but my transparant irssi terminal text doesnt get updated |
| 09:37.29 | eikke | ankon: Esetroot is a nice wallpapersetter. You won't have any problems. |
| 09:37.50 | ankon | yeah. i think it tries that first. you can force it to use another one |
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| 09:38.05 | eikke | but which one then? |
| 09:38.54 | ankon | wpsetters=xsetroot fbsetbg -i says nothing. |
| 09:38.56 | dolio | eikke: xsetroot doesn't set the background properly for fake transparency, as I recall. |
| 09:39.08 | ankon | yeah |
| 09:39.52 | eikke | hmm |
| 09:39.57 | eikke | tried bsetbg now |
| 09:40.04 | eikke | starting xcompmgr -c gives this: |
| 09:40.09 | eikke | error 8 request 156 minor 4 serial 359 |
| 09:40.10 | eikke | error 191 request 156 minor 8 serial 360 |
| 09:40.11 | eikke | and so on |
| 09:40.39 | eikke | updating doesnt work |
| 09:40.40 | eikke | brb |
| 09:40.47 | anholt | grrr. daniels's complete removal of xorg from xserver cvs means you can't compile older versions. |
| 09:42.30 | dolio | Hmm. haven't seen those before. |
| 09:42.47 | eikke | back |
| 09:42.56 | dolio | What's bsetbg come with? |
| 09:43.01 | eikke | szec |
| 09:43.17 | eikke | which: no bgsetbg in (/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/opt/bin:/usr/i686-pc-linux-gnu/gcc-bin/3.4:/opt/Acrobat5:/opt/sourcenav/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/qt/3/bin:/usr/kde/3.3/bin:/usr/kde/3.2/bin:/usr/games/bin:/opt/vmware/bin:/opt/insight/bin:/usr/share/karamba/bin) |
| 09:43.21 | eikke | doh |
| 09:43.41 | eikke | [0;01mx11-misc/[36;01mcommonbox-utils *[0;0m |
| 09:44.35 | ankon | bsetbg is from blackbox |
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| 09:45.33 | dolio | Ah, apparently the screen freeze has been 'fixed'. |
| 09:46.15 | anholt | 'fixed'? |
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| 09:46.57 | dolio | Add a delay and it doesn't happen anymore. |
| 09:47.09 | dolio | http://freedesktop.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1107 |
| 09:47.35 | anholt | and an xsync probably does the same? |
| 09:48.13 | dolio | Wouldn't surprise me. |
| 09:48.19 | ankon | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/23IdWq76.html interesting pattern :) |
| 09:48.23 | mharris | Ok, this is saddening: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/sellswindows.php |
| 09:48.27 | mharris | But hilarious. |
| 09:48.42 | mharris | I bet Steve Ballmer wishes that never existed. ;) |
| 09:49.55 | dolio | Bah, why isn't my sound working! |
| 09:50.04 | dolio | I need to hear what he's saying. |
| 09:51.05 | mharris | It's Ballmer trying to sell Windows 1.0 in true home-shopping-network style. |
| 09:51.24 | mharris | Not for the hundreds of dollars you might expect to pay! |
| 09:51.27 | dolio | Yeah, I figured from the prices popping up on the screen. :) |
| 09:51.32 | mharris | Act now, and we throw in Reversi! |
| 09:51.35 | mharris | ;) |
| 09:51.58 | dolio | You really need to throw in random stuff. |
| 09:52.17 | dolio | Like Ron Popeil. |
| 09:52.27 | dolio | "Buy my bread maker and I'll throw in free hair in a can." |
| 09:54.27 | mharris | Act now, and you get a free set of Ginsu knives! You could cut a tin can in half with these, but you wouldn't want to! |
| 09:54.44 | mharris | You know what's odd.... |
| 09:55.01 | mharris | I've never actually seen a real Ginsu knife or know anyone who has them. |
| 09:55.19 | mharris | I want one now. The marketing is getting to me now after 20 years of seeing it. |
| 09:55.24 | mharris | ;) |
| 09:55.29 | straw | i have a friend that can recite the bulk of that commercial |
| 09:55.31 | jg | mharris: I need to dig up the "ginsu mouse" mail out of the archives. |
| 09:55.34 | eikke | hmm |
| 09:55.44 | mharris | Next time I see ginsu knives for sale anywhere, I will buy one, and the first thing I'll do with it? |
| 09:55.44 | eikke | someone in #fluxbox has xcompmgr working with Esetroot |
| 09:55.48 | straw | it's kind of creepy |
| 09:55.53 | mharris | Cut a tin can in half of course. |
| 09:56.00 | mharris | Then cut a tomato. |
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| 09:56.25 | mharris | jg: ginsu mouse? ;o) |
| 09:56.25 | dolio | I'm a fan of the miracle blade commercials. |
| 09:56.29 | dolio | With Chef Tony. |
| 09:56.48 | jg | mharris: rws sent a "ginsu mouse" mail message very early in X.... |
| 09:56.49 | eikke | http://gentoo.optiseo.be/~nicolas/xcomp-fck2.png |
| 09:56.50 | dolio | They have a carpenter cut drywall with the knives and then slice bread. |
| 09:57.09 | jg | controll-shift-cokebottle-right button, and so on. |
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| 10:01.49 | mharris | heh |
| 10:03.29 | eikke | ok |
| 10:03.39 | eikke | for most people I hear it works as long as they dont set a background |
| 10:05.36 | dolio | Time for bed, I think. |
| 10:05.39 | dolio | Good night, all. |
| 10:07.11 | Arzie | Ciao! |
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| 10:08.40 | ChipX86 | who was it that was just asking about the ati drivers on xorg 6.8? |
| 10:18.17 | eikke | ok |
| 10:18.20 | eikke | tracked some things |
| 10:18.30 | eikke | Esetroot with pekwm fails |
| 10:18.38 | eikke | xsetroot -solid color works |
| 10:18.59 | eikke | screens on http://gentoo.optiseo.be/~nicolas/xcompmgr-fck* |
| 10:19.30 | eikke | xfce4: when starting the xcompmgr the desktop image is removed, desktop becomes dark grey, but moving windows does work |
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| 10:25.24 | eikke | what WMs is xcompmgr known to work with? (using an image as a background) |
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| 10:34.21 | eikke | I wish one could run an X app in something like 'screen' |
| 10:36.47 | Arzie | vnc |
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