IRC log for #flyspray on 20120320

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12:40.47Le_Coyotehullo :)
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14:29.02scottmanhi
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16:01.08Le_Coyotehello :)
16:02.06scottmanhi
16:05.10Le_CoyoteFlyspray's return to glory is on the way then :)
16:06.03scottmanway, its a historical time
16:06.12scottmanor will be
16:06.14scottman;)
16:07.52Le_CoyoteI'm particularly interested in the email gateway
16:08.07Le_CoyoteHell I might even spend time coding that
16:10.11scottmanno way thats my piece
16:10.12scottmanhaha
16:10.46scottmanit will be very nice to have
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16:14.01scottmanit will be nice to get the theme applied i feel like i cant do anything until its added.
16:14.18Le_CoyoteAh yeah, that new theme looks sleek
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17:36.46scottmanlunch time
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17:53.03Nullivexhi
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18:00.53Nullivexhey sean
18:01.18Sean-DerHey Bryan how you doing!
18:01.27Nullivexgood good, how about yourself?
18:01.55Sean-DerNot bad just ignoring work for the moment :)
18:02.45NullivexHah, I am not even sure what to work on today, waiting for this one company to get back to me
18:02.57Nullivexand my other project has too many issues in my flyspray that i dont know where to start
18:03.29Sean-DerStart with the lowest ones so one people ask you have a bunch of closed bugs
18:03.38Nullivexi always do that
18:03.46Nullivexthese big ones have been on there for like 8 months :p
18:03.47Sean-Derhaha that is the best way to keep my boss happy!
18:04.17Sean-DerBecause the big ones are solved in the NEXT version
18:06.03Nullivexhaha exactly
18:06.13Nullivexso how long have you been working on flyspray?
18:06.57Sean-DerEhhh I would say about 3 or 4 months I had to take a break for a while though
18:07.50Sean-DerI have just been closing minor bugs really and learning how to be a better coder along the way
18:08.29Le_CoyoteOh hi people
18:08.32Le_Coyote<- Romain
18:08.36Le_CoyoteNice to meet oyu all :)
18:08.47Sean-DerIts is really tough at first because all the creators abandoned it :/
18:09.07Sean-DerLe_Coyote, I am still waiting on my smoke signal :p
18:09.12Le_CoyoteHeheh
18:09.31Le_Coyotepuffes something out
18:09.40Nullivexsup coyote
18:09.49Sean-DerHow are you doing today Romain!
18:10.24Le_CoyoteNot that good, bronchitis and all, but hey, morale's good so everything should follow :)
18:11.24Sean-DerI hope you feel better soon! Its a good reason to stay inside then :p
18:11.34Sean-Derout of that evil evil sun
18:11.44Nullivexk back
18:11.47Le_CoyoteHeh, I'll try my worst ;)
18:12.10Nullivexhaha
18:12.14Nullivexim out in chicago
18:12.18Nullivexits been so nice here for the last week or so
18:12.23Nullivexcant help but be outside
18:12.37Sean-DerI am from Cincinnati so we are pretty close!
18:12.49Le_CoyoteI am Le French, from Le France.
18:12.58Nullivexright on
18:13.19Nullivexso i was thinking of doing some work on the php 5.3 compliance
18:13.21Sean-DerI am French why do you think I have this outrageous accent :D
18:13.33Le_CoyoteNI!
18:13.44Le_CoyoteBut I am, though. French, that is.
18:14.24Sean-DerNullivex, the two big things are evals and class structure is bad is some places
18:14.45Nullivexya
18:15.07Nullivexi have dealt with this on some other software packages before its not generally something that involves changing any logic
18:15.08Sean-Derit throws warnings that static methods werent declared statically
18:15.10Nullivexjust some semantics
18:15.13Nullivexya
18:15.21Le_Coyote'k, dinner time and all. Nice meeting you once more, looking forward to the real stuff soon :-)
18:15.27Nullivexfigure it would be a good change to get more aquantied
18:15.33Nullivexalright romain
18:15.34Sean-DerBut it is important that we do it right though!
18:15.35Nullivexhave a good night
18:15.52Sean-Dercya it was nice meeting you!
18:17.01Sean-DerAll I plan on doing is getting the /setup wizard to look like CleanFS after Floe commits my patch
18:17.25Nullivexso the official svn repo
18:17.28Nullivexi want to check that out
18:17.33Nullivexso i can get a dev repo up
18:17.37Sean-DerI just really want to see a 1.0 release so people get interested again
18:17.43Nullivexand bah, its been nearly 14 months since i have used svn
18:17.55Sean-Dersvn co https://flyspray.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/flyspray/branches/0.9.9/ flyspray
18:18.11Sean-DerThat will check it out and you are ready to go!
18:18.30Nullivexand for submitting patches
18:18.35Nullivexare we just doing svn diff's?
18:19.15Sean-DerYep that is what I have been doing. I just follow Floe's orders really
18:19.45Sean-DerEventually we should move to GitHub like every other project
18:22.18Nullivexk got it
18:22.34Nullivexya im fine with git hub
18:22.37Nullivexanything with git really
18:22.45Nullivexi used svn for years
18:22.58Nullivexand got so tired of blowing away my whole copy
18:23.05Nullivexand doing diff's merging manually
18:23.07Nullivexgot really old
18:24.10Sean-DerI am pretty new to Git still. At work I manage the master trees manually and have always just submitteds diffs for other projects
18:24.30Sean-DerI will be slow at first.... but a few late nights will catch me up!
18:25.06Nullivexheh git is super easy
18:25.20Nullivexat my old company it took me about 1 hour to train all my devs how to use it
18:25.34Nullivexwell, i guess it really depends on your development model
18:26.24Sean-DerI say we keep a plain text doc on a anonymous FTP with only one code tree and call it a day.....
18:26.30Sean-Derhahah
18:27.46Nullivexyep
18:27.47Nullivexim down
18:27.58Nullivexu gotta write the ITS_MINE.txt
18:28.05Nullivexon the ftp so we can see who's working
18:29.31Sean-DerHahah yes thats the best way... all these people with their fancy GUIs and VCSes have nothing on us
18:30.21Nullivexhttp://bugs.flyspray.org/task/1622?project=1&pagenum=2
18:30.23Nullivexhmm
18:30.34Nullivexgot a lot of catching up to do
18:30.42Nullivexwhat is 1.0.0-de
18:32.09Sean-DerI honestly have no idea. That was filed in 2010 against I am assuming bleeding edge code from svn
18:32.42Sean-DerI cleaned out about 30 invalid bugs months ago. But there are many more
18:35.50Nullivexya
18:35.58Nullivexdoes the installer in this tree i checked out work
18:36.11Sean-DerYes it does
18:36.27Sean-DerI dont know if it can do an upgrade though
18:38.12Nullivexwell my question is
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18:38.22scottmanback
18:38.23Nullivexwhen was the last time there was a database delta
18:38.26Nullivexhey scott
18:38.38Sean-DerHi Scott!
18:38.52scottmandont ask what i had for lunch it was not good
18:39.10Nullivexcome on, thats a psycological loophole
18:39.25Sean-DerWHAT DID YOU HAVE FOR LUNCH
18:39.31NullivexYES TELL US
18:39.36Sean-DerDamnit his trick worked
18:39.45Nullivextotally got me
18:39.54scottman@_@ i said not to!, an old lunchable my wife couldnt get down (pregnant) and half a loaf of french bread sitting in the fridge
18:40.14Sean-DerA delta is essentially a diff of the schema right?
18:40.14Nullivexi havent had a lunchable in forever
18:40.18Nullivexya
18:40.19scottmanit was gross
18:40.28Sean-Derscottman, you lucky bastard
18:40.59scottmanand some gummy vitamins that my kid is supposed to eat, but they seem to be helping me
18:41.24Nullivexoh good call, im going to raid some vitamins
18:41.33Sean-DerIf you go to the setup folder there are some scripts in there that will show you the DB progression
18:42.00Sean-Derscottman, your kid is trying to keep you healthy! No problem with that haha
18:42.24scottmanthey help my eyes from straining or something
18:42.27scottmanthey dont hurt as much
18:42.49Nullivexlike towards the end of the day, i get that where i cant focus
18:42.59Nullivexlike cant get my eyes to focus on the text
18:43.03Nullivexbut maybe its just from too much beer
18:43.11Sean-DerThats when I fire up Dosbox and Doom it up
18:43.42scottmanNullivex: i usually get it right before lunch, something to do with being very hungry instead of getting light headed
18:44.03Nullivexoh i see, thats definitely different
18:44.16Nullivexi really think mine just comes from too long programming
18:44.32scottmando you use dark themes and such
18:44.38Nullivexnot really
18:44.47Nullivexwell on my code editor (notepad++) i do
18:45.18Nullivexi use the twilight theme on there
18:45.21scottmanoh im using kde, everything is black except the stuff i need to see
18:45.39Sean-DerI have found that white on black is the best for me
18:45.44Nullivexi havent use kde in ages
18:45.57scottmanthey have this new thing activities
18:45.59scottmanlets just say
18:46.00Nullivexwhat distro?
18:46.04Sean-DerBlackbox is where its at :D
18:46.09scottmanboss walks in fn + tab
18:46.13scottmanlooks ilke a new desktop
18:46.17scottmannot a workspace
18:46.18scottman;)
18:47.04Sean-DerNullivex, I thought you used Linux?
18:47.10Nullivexi do
18:47.16Nullivexjust not for my workstation
18:47.21Nullivexi used to
18:47.24Sean-DerIs N++ Win32
18:47.27Nullivexya
18:47.27Sean-DerOhhh
18:47.33scottmanit looks like crap on wine
18:47.38Nullivexi got tired of fighting crappy non opensource drivers
18:47.38scottman;)
18:47.44Sean-DerDoes work make you?
18:48.07Nullivexnah, im erm, self employed
18:48.12Sean-DerThat stinks :/
18:48.29Nullivexwhich part?
18:48.40Sean-DerI fought with Intel for four months to get my WLAN working
18:48.47Nullivexya
18:48.56Sean-DerThat your HW support is poor
18:49.13Nullivexi used desktop linux of all breeds for about 3 years and just got tired of the small usability holes it has
18:49.22Nullivexi use it on servers religiously tho
18:49.27Nullivexi administer > 100 servers
18:50.02scottmanNullivex: when are you able to hire on new employees
18:50.05scottmanlol
18:50.14Sean-DerI get bent out of shape about free software so I am 100%. I work for a VoIP provider and we are all Linux
18:50.25Nullivexpretty soon actuall
18:50.26Sean-DerMakes me very happy
18:50.30Nullivexi got more projects than i can deal with
18:50.42Sean-DerHire me too!! I wanna move
18:50.50scottmanim trying to getmyself to be self employed
18:50.55scottmani have a few projects that might make it
18:51.10Nullivexat the end of the month we are relocating the business headquarters to Colorado
18:51.23Nullivexi got roped into the datacenter industry
18:51.39scottmanoh man
18:51.44scottmanwhat part
18:51.53scottmani want to move to the rocky area whatever its called
18:51.55scottmanthe mountains
18:51.57scottmanof co
18:51.59Nullivexhaha
18:52.06scottmani live in southern utah
18:52.07Sean-DerYou work... in ... THE CLOUD
18:52.08Nullivexya im going to colorado springs
18:52.13scottmanok
18:52.17Nullivexlol i built THE CLOUD
18:52.23scottmani am the cloud..?
18:52.24Sean-DerMy boss mentions that daily -_-
18:52.36Nullivexi was the lead for gigenetcloud.com
18:52.41Nullivexfor 3 years
18:52.57Sean-DerWe should move the mail servers to the cloud...
18:53.02Sean-DerImpressive!
18:53.05Nullivexjust get gmail
18:53.09Nullivexsame thing lol :p
18:53.26Sean-DerBut my postfix servers.....
18:53.43Sean-Der:( I will miss them
18:53.51Nullivexi do my best to eliminate all the things that take up time in my day
18:54.03Nullivex1) linux desktop and its random issues
18:54.08Nullivex2) mail server administration
18:54.28Nullivexat least with winbl0ws i dont spend all day fighting to get flash player back
18:54.55Sean-DerI enjoy the issues though stretches my mind and I am always learning from it
18:55.12Nullivexthats true
18:55.20Nullivexbut i was catching too much heat for jacking around with my workstation all day
18:55.39Sean-DerYea that happens to me alot .... hahah
18:55.46Nullivexmy last arch linux workstation, i fought ATI drivers for like a day and a half
18:55.58Nullivextrying to get dual screen support and hardware mouse acceleration
18:56.04Nullivexturned out thats not possible
18:56.17Nullivexi even had to learn to write my own xorg confs' which i always avoided
18:57.02Sean-DerI learned to compile my kernel, I learned init levels the list goes on. I love the way Arch makes me learn
18:57.27Nullivexya i fought fakeraid for a while
18:57.42Nullivexto do fakeraid + dual boot windows
18:57.43Nullivexhaha
18:57.49Nullivexgot passed that
18:57.52Sean-DerBut remember the feel right after you finally beat it?
18:57.56Nullivexthen fought ati drivers for a good long time
18:58.00Nullivexya
18:58.01Sean-DerBest fealing in the world!
18:58.09Nullivexi ran that workstation up till last september
18:58.20Nullivexreally netbeans was the reason i moved back to windows
18:58.25scottmanati drivers pff
18:58.27scottmansuck
18:58.39Nullivexwell i finally figured out that the vcard i had bought
18:58.45Nullivexhad a squabble with a mobo
18:58.49Nullivexwhich would cause random kernel panics
18:59.01scottmannetbeans huh
18:59.01Nullivexthe hdmi subsystem didnt get along with the board
18:59.08Sean-DerComputers suck....
18:59.11scottmando you hate eclipse?
18:59.23Sean-DerGeany + Vi is where it is at
18:59.25Nullivexi hate any ide that runs in java
18:59.28scottmanlol
18:59.44Sean-DerI might switch to emacs though because of my keyboard layout
19:00.01Nullivexi use the anti ide
19:00.09Nullivexwhich would be just something with syntax highlighting
19:00.10scottmani use eclipse for most of my stuff that is a project
19:00.27Nullivexi do enjoy function jumping
19:00.33Nullivexespecially for code i didnt write ground up
19:00.56Nullivexi used eclipse for a while
19:00.57Sean-Dergrep -rn !
19:01.00Nullivexthen zend ide
19:01.07Nullivexthen gedit with some fancy styling
19:01.09Nullivexthen netbeans
19:01.11Sean-DerThere I am done dont need a fat slow IDE
19:01.42Sean-DerTry Geany you may like it! It is Notepad++ on steroids
19:01.43Nullivexwell the reason i use notepad is the nttftp plugin has some really nice sftp support
19:01.49Nullivexand i dont keep code on my workstations
19:02.12Nullivexthe netbeans ftp setup can suck it
19:02.17scottmanwhat about sshfs
19:02.21scottmanim hooked on it
19:02.27Nullivexya thats what i used on linux
19:02.29Nullivexsshfs + gedit
19:02.36Sean-DerYea that is a must have. Some of my coworkers use Filezilla.... makes me hurt watching them
19:02.38scottmani even made a gui to pick which server to mount
19:02.41scottmanor umount
19:02.59Sean-DerCheck out the program Gigolo.
19:03.00Nullivexso i used to put netbeans on sshfs
19:03.07Nullivexbut thats a shit show cuz it likes to do too much reading
19:03.41Nullivexhmm
19:03.48Nullivexi dont see these php 5.3 errors
19:04.24Sean-DerNullivex, there are some PHP error level overrides in there
19:04.35Nullivexoh i gotta unnerg
19:04.38Nullivexun-nerf
19:04.40Nullivexgotcha
19:04.52Sean-Derincludes/fix.inc.php
19:05.26Nullivexi forgot to mention
19:05.30Nullivexthe only other reason i can tolerate windows
19:05.34Nullivexi use cygwin
19:05.43Nullivexso real ssh etc
19:07.19Sean-DerIt was great meeting you guys! I gotta work now :) I will work on the setup theme as soon as Floe commits the CleanFS patch and off we go!
19:07.50Nullivexya
19:08.01Nullivexim going to see if i can get this php 5.3 thing fixed up
19:08.06Nullivexand ill submit some diffs
19:08.08Nullivexgood meeting u
19:09.28Nullivexhey scott
19:10.31scottmanhi
19:11.12Nullivexbugs.flyspray.org is down for me
19:11.13Nullivexhaha
19:11.44scottmansame
19:11.49scottmani wonder if he is working on it
19:12.42Nullivexya
19:12.54Nullivexdo you think making fs for php5.2 or greater is okay
19:13.08Nullivexi want to convert all the classes over to modern classes and nuke all these deprecated warning
19:13.27scottmanwhat version is php on 5.4?
19:13.42Nullivexwell my debian installs come with 5.3.3.7
19:13.49Nullivexand even centos ships with php 5.3 now
19:13.52scottmandeb stable?
19:13.56Nullivexya
19:13.58scottmani would say do what deb stable is
19:14.00scottmanlol
19:14.02scottmanthey are rather slow
19:14.05scottmanwhich is good
19:14.20Nullivextheir slow leaves centos in the dust haha
19:14.29scottmanwhat is centos at
19:14.36Nullivex5.3.x
19:14.44Nullivexi think 5.3.2 i would have to look tho
19:14.55scottmanokay dumb question
19:15.04scottmancan you specify in php like you can in perl what version to use
19:15.33scottmani would say 5.3.x
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19:15.52Nullivexnah you cant
19:16.02Nullivexits whatever the backend server is using
19:16.12Nullivexbut i havent ran across a server runing 5.1 in a while
19:16.27Nullivexand most people use php via cgi these days so they can run multiple versions
19:16.33Nullivexmod-php is on the out and out
19:16.52Nullivexhey floele
19:18.35scottmanwe have a redhat running php 4
19:18.37scottman:(
19:18.39scottmanit makes me cry
19:18.52Nullivexhaha
19:18.57Nullivexya thats crazy
19:19.00Nullivexi havent used 4 in so long
19:19.02scottmanwe have plans to migrate it over just waiting for the hardware
19:19.04scottmani guess
19:19.16Nullivexi figure with something like a bug tracker
19:19.19scottmani created a new system requires php5 replacing whats on the server
19:19.20Nullivexdev's use pretty new stuff
19:19.21scottmanso
19:19.26scottmanyeah
19:19.35scottmani really dont wait for ie to catch up either
19:19.36scottmanlol
19:19.46scottmani usually put a module warning saying stop using ie
19:19.48scottmanon my proejcts
19:20.17Nullivexya
19:20.26Nullivexi definitely dont care about ie6 users
19:20.33Nullivexthey see a jaded internet as it is
19:20.35Nullivexso they are used to it
19:23.24scottmanboss thought i was going to push a button once a month, i guess he didnt know about cron jobs
19:23.26scottmanlol
19:23.36scottmanjust wrote this script to push data
19:23.41Nullivexlol
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19:26.08Nullivexalright, well i am going to meander on to some other projects till i get some more input on the php version thing
19:26.27Nullivexand floele, let me know when the bug tracker becomes avail again, if in fact you do know whats up with it
19:26.45scottmanok
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