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12:40.47 | Le_Coyote | hullo :) |
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14:29.02 | scottman | hi |
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16:01.08 | Le_Coyote | hello :) |
16:02.06 | scottman | hi |
16:05.10 | Le_Coyote | Flyspray's return to glory is on the way then :) |
16:06.03 | scottman | way, its a historical time |
16:06.12 | scottman | or will be |
16:06.14 | scottman | ;) |
16:07.52 | Le_Coyote | I'm particularly interested in the email gateway |
16:08.07 | Le_Coyote | Hell I might even spend time coding that |
16:10.11 | scottman | no way thats my piece |
16:10.12 | scottman | haha |
16:10.46 | scottman | it will be very nice to have |
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16:14.01 | scottman | it will be nice to get the theme applied i feel like i cant do anything until its added. |
16:14.18 | Le_Coyote | Ah yeah, that new theme looks sleek |
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17:36.46 | scottman | lunch time |
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17:53.03 | Nullivex | hi |
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18:00.53 | Nullivex | hey sean |
18:01.18 | Sean-Der | Hey Bryan how you doing! |
18:01.27 | Nullivex | good good, how about yourself? |
18:01.55 | Sean-Der | Not bad just ignoring work for the moment :) |
18:02.45 | Nullivex | Hah, I am not even sure what to work on today, waiting for this one company to get back to me |
18:02.57 | Nullivex | and my other project has too many issues in my flyspray that i dont know where to start |
18:03.29 | Sean-Der | Start with the lowest ones so one people ask you have a bunch of closed bugs |
18:03.38 | Nullivex | i always do that |
18:03.46 | Nullivex | these big ones have been on there for like 8 months :p |
18:03.47 | Sean-Der | haha that is the best way to keep my boss happy! |
18:04.17 | Sean-Der | Because the big ones are solved in the NEXT version |
18:06.03 | Nullivex | haha exactly |
18:06.13 | Nullivex | so how long have you been working on flyspray? |
18:06.57 | Sean-Der | Ehhh I would say about 3 or 4 months I had to take a break for a while though |
18:07.50 | Sean-Der | I have just been closing minor bugs really and learning how to be a better coder along the way |
18:08.29 | Le_Coyote | Oh hi people |
18:08.32 | Le_Coyote | <- Romain |
18:08.36 | Le_Coyote | Nice to meet oyu all :) |
18:08.47 | Sean-Der | Its is really tough at first because all the creators abandoned it :/ |
18:09.07 | Sean-Der | Le_Coyote, I am still waiting on my smoke signal :p |
18:09.12 | Le_Coyote | Heheh |
18:09.31 | Le_Coyote | puffes something out |
18:09.40 | Nullivex | sup coyote |
18:09.49 | Sean-Der | How are you doing today Romain! |
18:10.24 | Le_Coyote | Not that good, bronchitis and all, but hey, morale's good so everything should follow :) |
18:11.24 | Sean-Der | I hope you feel better soon! Its a good reason to stay inside then :p |
18:11.34 | Sean-Der | out of that evil evil sun |
18:11.44 | Nullivex | k back |
18:11.47 | Le_Coyote | Heh, I'll try my worst ;) |
18:12.10 | Nullivex | haha |
18:12.14 | Nullivex | im out in chicago |
18:12.18 | Nullivex | its been so nice here for the last week or so |
18:12.23 | Nullivex | cant help but be outside |
18:12.37 | Sean-Der | I am from Cincinnati so we are pretty close! |
18:12.49 | Le_Coyote | I am Le French, from Le France. |
18:12.58 | Nullivex | right on |
18:13.19 | Nullivex | so i was thinking of doing some work on the php 5.3 compliance |
18:13.21 | Sean-Der | I am French why do you think I have this outrageous accent :D |
18:13.33 | Le_Coyote | NI! |
18:13.44 | Le_Coyote | But I am, though. French, that is. |
18:14.24 | Sean-Der | Nullivex, the two big things are evals and class structure is bad is some places |
18:14.45 | Nullivex | ya |
18:15.07 | Nullivex | i have dealt with this on some other software packages before its not generally something that involves changing any logic |
18:15.08 | Sean-Der | it throws warnings that static methods werent declared statically |
18:15.10 | Nullivex | just some semantics |
18:15.13 | Nullivex | ya |
18:15.21 | Le_Coyote | 'k, dinner time and all. Nice meeting you once more, looking forward to the real stuff soon :-) |
18:15.27 | Nullivex | figure it would be a good change to get more aquantied |
18:15.33 | Nullivex | alright romain |
18:15.34 | Sean-Der | But it is important that we do it right though! |
18:15.35 | Nullivex | have a good night |
18:15.52 | Sean-Der | cya it was nice meeting you! |
18:17.01 | Sean-Der | All I plan on doing is getting the /setup wizard to look like CleanFS after Floe commits my patch |
18:17.25 | Nullivex | so the official svn repo |
18:17.28 | Nullivex | i want to check that out |
18:17.33 | Nullivex | so i can get a dev repo up |
18:17.37 | Sean-Der | I just really want to see a 1.0 release so people get interested again |
18:17.43 | Nullivex | and bah, its been nearly 14 months since i have used svn |
18:17.55 | Sean-Der | svn co https://flyspray.svn.sourceforge.net/svnroot/flyspray/branches/0.9.9/ flyspray |
18:18.11 | Sean-Der | That will check it out and you are ready to go! |
18:18.30 | Nullivex | and for submitting patches |
18:18.35 | Nullivex | are we just doing svn diff's? |
18:19.15 | Sean-Der | Yep that is what I have been doing. I just follow Floe's orders really |
18:19.45 | Sean-Der | Eventually we should move to GitHub like every other project |
18:22.18 | Nullivex | k got it |
18:22.34 | Nullivex | ya im fine with git hub |
18:22.37 | Nullivex | anything with git really |
18:22.45 | Nullivex | i used svn for years |
18:22.58 | Nullivex | and got so tired of blowing away my whole copy |
18:23.05 | Nullivex | and doing diff's merging manually |
18:23.07 | Nullivex | got really old |
18:24.10 | Sean-Der | I am pretty new to Git still. At work I manage the master trees manually and have always just submitteds diffs for other projects |
18:24.30 | Sean-Der | I will be slow at first.... but a few late nights will catch me up! |
18:25.06 | Nullivex | heh git is super easy |
18:25.20 | Nullivex | at my old company it took me about 1 hour to train all my devs how to use it |
18:25.34 | Nullivex | well, i guess it really depends on your development model |
18:26.24 | Sean-Der | I say we keep a plain text doc on a anonymous FTP with only one code tree and call it a day..... |
18:26.30 | Sean-Der | hahah |
18:27.46 | Nullivex | yep |
18:27.47 | Nullivex | im down |
18:27.58 | Nullivex | u gotta write the ITS_MINE.txt |
18:28.05 | Nullivex | on the ftp so we can see who's working |
18:29.31 | Sean-Der | Hahah yes thats the best way... all these people with their fancy GUIs and VCSes have nothing on us |
18:30.21 | Nullivex | http://bugs.flyspray.org/task/1622?project=1&pagenum=2 |
18:30.23 | Nullivex | hmm |
18:30.34 | Nullivex | got a lot of catching up to do |
18:30.42 | Nullivex | what is 1.0.0-de |
18:32.09 | Sean-Der | I honestly have no idea. That was filed in 2010 against I am assuming bleeding edge code from svn |
18:32.42 | Sean-Der | I cleaned out about 30 invalid bugs months ago. But there are many more |
18:35.50 | Nullivex | ya |
18:35.58 | Nullivex | does the installer in this tree i checked out work |
18:36.11 | Sean-Der | Yes it does |
18:36.27 | Sean-Der | I dont know if it can do an upgrade though |
18:38.12 | Nullivex | well my question is |
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18:38.22 | scottman | back |
18:38.23 | Nullivex | when was the last time there was a database delta |
18:38.26 | Nullivex | hey scott |
18:38.38 | Sean-Der | Hi Scott! |
18:38.52 | scottman | dont ask what i had for lunch it was not good |
18:39.10 | Nullivex | come on, thats a psycological loophole |
18:39.25 | Sean-Der | WHAT DID YOU HAVE FOR LUNCH |
18:39.31 | Nullivex | YES TELL US |
18:39.36 | Sean-Der | Damnit his trick worked |
18:39.45 | Nullivex | totally got me |
18:39.54 | scottman | @_@ i said not to!, an old lunchable my wife couldnt get down (pregnant) and half a loaf of french bread sitting in the fridge |
18:40.14 | Sean-Der | A delta is essentially a diff of the schema right? |
18:40.14 | Nullivex | i havent had a lunchable in forever |
18:40.18 | Nullivex | ya |
18:40.19 | scottman | it was gross |
18:40.28 | Sean-Der | scottman, you lucky bastard |
18:40.59 | scottman | and some gummy vitamins that my kid is supposed to eat, but they seem to be helping me |
18:41.24 | Nullivex | oh good call, im going to raid some vitamins |
18:41.33 | Sean-Der | If you go to the setup folder there are some scripts in there that will show you the DB progression |
18:42.00 | Sean-Der | scottman, your kid is trying to keep you healthy! No problem with that haha |
18:42.24 | scottman | they help my eyes from straining or something |
18:42.27 | scottman | they dont hurt as much |
18:42.49 | Nullivex | like towards the end of the day, i get that where i cant focus |
18:42.59 | Nullivex | like cant get my eyes to focus on the text |
18:43.03 | Nullivex | but maybe its just from too much beer |
18:43.11 | Sean-Der | Thats when I fire up Dosbox and Doom it up |
18:43.42 | scottman | Nullivex: i usually get it right before lunch, something to do with being very hungry instead of getting light headed |
18:44.03 | Nullivex | oh i see, thats definitely different |
18:44.16 | Nullivex | i really think mine just comes from too long programming |
18:44.32 | scottman | do you use dark themes and such |
18:44.38 | Nullivex | not really |
18:44.47 | Nullivex | well on my code editor (notepad++) i do |
18:45.18 | Nullivex | i use the twilight theme on there |
18:45.21 | scottman | oh im using kde, everything is black except the stuff i need to see |
18:45.39 | Sean-Der | I have found that white on black is the best for me |
18:45.44 | Nullivex | i havent use kde in ages |
18:45.57 | scottman | they have this new thing activities |
18:45.59 | scottman | lets just say |
18:46.00 | Nullivex | what distro? |
18:46.04 | Sean-Der | Blackbox is where its at :D |
18:46.09 | scottman | boss walks in fn + tab |
18:46.13 | scottman | looks ilke a new desktop |
18:46.17 | scottman | not a workspace |
18:46.18 | scottman | ;) |
18:47.04 | Sean-Der | Nullivex, I thought you used Linux? |
18:47.10 | Nullivex | i do |
18:47.16 | Nullivex | just not for my workstation |
18:47.21 | Nullivex | i used to |
18:47.24 | Sean-Der | Is N++ Win32 |
18:47.27 | Nullivex | ya |
18:47.27 | Sean-Der | Ohhh |
18:47.33 | scottman | it looks like crap on wine |
18:47.38 | Nullivex | i got tired of fighting crappy non opensource drivers |
18:47.38 | scottman | ;) |
18:47.44 | Sean-Der | Does work make you? |
18:48.07 | Nullivex | nah, im erm, self employed |
18:48.12 | Sean-Der | That stinks :/ |
18:48.29 | Nullivex | which part? |
18:48.40 | Sean-Der | I fought with Intel for four months to get my WLAN working |
18:48.47 | Nullivex | ya |
18:48.56 | Sean-Der | That your HW support is poor |
18:49.13 | Nullivex | i used desktop linux of all breeds for about 3 years and just got tired of the small usability holes it has |
18:49.22 | Nullivex | i use it on servers religiously tho |
18:49.27 | Nullivex | i administer > 100 servers |
18:50.02 | scottman | Nullivex: when are you able to hire on new employees |
18:50.05 | scottman | lol |
18:50.14 | Sean-Der | I get bent out of shape about free software so I am 100%. I work for a VoIP provider and we are all Linux |
18:50.25 | Nullivex | pretty soon actuall |
18:50.26 | Sean-Der | Makes me very happy |
18:50.30 | Nullivex | i got more projects than i can deal with |
18:50.42 | Sean-Der | Hire me too!! I wanna move |
18:50.50 | scottman | im trying to getmyself to be self employed |
18:50.55 | scottman | i have a few projects that might make it |
18:51.10 | Nullivex | at the end of the month we are relocating the business headquarters to Colorado |
18:51.23 | Nullivex | i got roped into the datacenter industry |
18:51.39 | scottman | oh man |
18:51.44 | scottman | what part |
18:51.53 | scottman | i want to move to the rocky area whatever its called |
18:51.55 | scottman | the mountains |
18:51.57 | scottman | of co |
18:51.59 | Nullivex | haha |
18:52.06 | scottman | i live in southern utah |
18:52.07 | Sean-Der | You work... in ... THE CLOUD |
18:52.08 | Nullivex | ya im going to colorado springs |
18:52.13 | scottman | ok |
18:52.17 | Nullivex | lol i built THE CLOUD |
18:52.23 | scottman | i am the cloud..? |
18:52.24 | Sean-Der | My boss mentions that daily -_- |
18:52.36 | Nullivex | i was the lead for gigenetcloud.com |
18:52.41 | Nullivex | for 3 years |
18:52.57 | Sean-Der | We should move the mail servers to the cloud... |
18:53.02 | Sean-Der | Impressive! |
18:53.05 | Nullivex | just get gmail |
18:53.09 | Nullivex | same thing lol :p |
18:53.26 | Sean-Der | But my postfix servers..... |
18:53.43 | Sean-Der | :( I will miss them |
18:53.51 | Nullivex | i do my best to eliminate all the things that take up time in my day |
18:54.03 | Nullivex | 1) linux desktop and its random issues |
18:54.08 | Nullivex | 2) mail server administration |
18:54.28 | Nullivex | at least with winbl0ws i dont spend all day fighting to get flash player back |
18:54.55 | Sean-Der | I enjoy the issues though stretches my mind and I am always learning from it |
18:55.12 | Nullivex | thats true |
18:55.20 | Nullivex | but i was catching too much heat for jacking around with my workstation all day |
18:55.39 | Sean-Der | Yea that happens to me alot .... hahah |
18:55.46 | Nullivex | my last arch linux workstation, i fought ATI drivers for like a day and a half |
18:55.58 | Nullivex | trying to get dual screen support and hardware mouse acceleration |
18:56.04 | Nullivex | turned out thats not possible |
18:56.17 | Nullivex | i even had to learn to write my own xorg confs' which i always avoided |
18:57.02 | Sean-Der | I learned to compile my kernel, I learned init levels the list goes on. I love the way Arch makes me learn |
18:57.27 | Nullivex | ya i fought fakeraid for a while |
18:57.42 | Nullivex | to do fakeraid + dual boot windows |
18:57.43 | Nullivex | haha |
18:57.49 | Nullivex | got passed that |
18:57.52 | Sean-Der | But remember the feel right after you finally beat it? |
18:57.56 | Nullivex | then fought ati drivers for a good long time |
18:58.00 | Nullivex | ya |
18:58.01 | Sean-Der | Best fealing in the world! |
18:58.09 | Nullivex | i ran that workstation up till last september |
18:58.20 | Nullivex | really netbeans was the reason i moved back to windows |
18:58.25 | scottman | ati drivers pff |
18:58.27 | scottman | suck |
18:58.39 | Nullivex | well i finally figured out that the vcard i had bought |
18:58.45 | Nullivex | had a squabble with a mobo |
18:58.49 | Nullivex | which would cause random kernel panics |
18:59.01 | scottman | netbeans huh |
18:59.01 | Nullivex | the hdmi subsystem didnt get along with the board |
18:59.08 | Sean-Der | Computers suck.... |
18:59.11 | scottman | do you hate eclipse? |
18:59.23 | Sean-Der | Geany + Vi is where it is at |
18:59.25 | Nullivex | i hate any ide that runs in java |
18:59.28 | scottman | lol |
18:59.44 | Sean-Der | I might switch to emacs though because of my keyboard layout |
19:00.01 | Nullivex | i use the anti ide |
19:00.09 | Nullivex | which would be just something with syntax highlighting |
19:00.10 | scottman | i use eclipse for most of my stuff that is a project |
19:00.27 | Nullivex | i do enjoy function jumping |
19:00.33 | Nullivex | especially for code i didnt write ground up |
19:00.56 | Nullivex | i used eclipse for a while |
19:00.57 | Sean-Der | grep -rn ! |
19:01.00 | Nullivex | then zend ide |
19:01.07 | Nullivex | then gedit with some fancy styling |
19:01.09 | Nullivex | then netbeans |
19:01.11 | Sean-Der | There I am done dont need a fat slow IDE |
19:01.42 | Sean-Der | Try Geany you may like it! It is Notepad++ on steroids |
19:01.43 | Nullivex | well the reason i use notepad is the nttftp plugin has some really nice sftp support |
19:01.49 | Nullivex | and i dont keep code on my workstations |
19:02.12 | Nullivex | the netbeans ftp setup can suck it |
19:02.17 | scottman | what about sshfs |
19:02.21 | scottman | im hooked on it |
19:02.27 | Nullivex | ya thats what i used on linux |
19:02.29 | Nullivex | sshfs + gedit |
19:02.36 | Sean-Der | Yea that is a must have. Some of my coworkers use Filezilla.... makes me hurt watching them |
19:02.38 | scottman | i even made a gui to pick which server to mount |
19:02.41 | scottman | or umount |
19:02.59 | Sean-Der | Check out the program Gigolo. |
19:03.00 | Nullivex | so i used to put netbeans on sshfs |
19:03.07 | Nullivex | but thats a shit show cuz it likes to do too much reading |
19:03.41 | Nullivex | hmm |
19:03.48 | Nullivex | i dont see these php 5.3 errors |
19:04.24 | Sean-Der | Nullivex, there are some PHP error level overrides in there |
19:04.35 | Nullivex | oh i gotta unnerg |
19:04.38 | Nullivex | un-nerf |
19:04.40 | Nullivex | gotcha |
19:04.52 | Sean-Der | includes/fix.inc.php |
19:05.26 | Nullivex | i forgot to mention |
19:05.30 | Nullivex | the only other reason i can tolerate windows |
19:05.34 | Nullivex | i use cygwin |
19:05.43 | Nullivex | so real ssh etc |
19:07.19 | Sean-Der | It was great meeting you guys! I gotta work now :) I will work on the setup theme as soon as Floe commits the CleanFS patch and off we go! |
19:07.50 | Nullivex | ya |
19:08.01 | Nullivex | im going to see if i can get this php 5.3 thing fixed up |
19:08.06 | Nullivex | and ill submit some diffs |
19:08.08 | Nullivex | good meeting u |
19:09.28 | Nullivex | hey scott |
19:10.31 | scottman | hi |
19:11.12 | Nullivex | bugs.flyspray.org is down for me |
19:11.13 | Nullivex | haha |
19:11.44 | scottman | same |
19:11.49 | scottman | i wonder if he is working on it |
19:12.42 | Nullivex | ya |
19:12.54 | Nullivex | do you think making fs for php5.2 or greater is okay |
19:13.08 | Nullivex | i want to convert all the classes over to modern classes and nuke all these deprecated warning |
19:13.27 | scottman | what version is php on 5.4? |
19:13.42 | Nullivex | well my debian installs come with 5.3.3.7 |
19:13.49 | Nullivex | and even centos ships with php 5.3 now |
19:13.52 | scottman | deb stable? |
19:13.56 | Nullivex | ya |
19:13.58 | scottman | i would say do what deb stable is |
19:14.00 | scottman | lol |
19:14.02 | scottman | they are rather slow |
19:14.05 | scottman | which is good |
19:14.20 | Nullivex | their slow leaves centos in the dust haha |
19:14.29 | scottman | what is centos at |
19:14.36 | Nullivex | 5.3.x |
19:14.44 | Nullivex | i think 5.3.2 i would have to look tho |
19:14.55 | scottman | okay dumb question |
19:15.04 | scottman | can you specify in php like you can in perl what version to use |
19:15.33 | scottman | i would say 5.3.x |
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19:15.52 | Nullivex | nah you cant |
19:16.02 | Nullivex | its whatever the backend server is using |
19:16.12 | Nullivex | but i havent ran across a server runing 5.1 in a while |
19:16.27 | Nullivex | and most people use php via cgi these days so they can run multiple versions |
19:16.33 | Nullivex | mod-php is on the out and out |
19:16.52 | Nullivex | hey floele |
19:18.35 | scottman | we have a redhat running php 4 |
19:18.37 | scottman | :( |
19:18.39 | scottman | it makes me cry |
19:18.52 | Nullivex | haha |
19:18.57 | Nullivex | ya thats crazy |
19:19.00 | Nullivex | i havent used 4 in so long |
19:19.02 | scottman | we have plans to migrate it over just waiting for the hardware |
19:19.04 | scottman | i guess |
19:19.16 | Nullivex | i figure with something like a bug tracker |
19:19.19 | scottman | i created a new system requires php5 replacing whats on the server |
19:19.20 | Nullivex | dev's use pretty new stuff |
19:19.21 | scottman | so |
19:19.26 | scottman | yeah |
19:19.35 | scottman | i really dont wait for ie to catch up either |
19:19.36 | scottman | lol |
19:19.46 | scottman | i usually put a module warning saying stop using ie |
19:19.48 | scottman | on my proejcts |
19:20.17 | Nullivex | ya |
19:20.26 | Nullivex | i definitely dont care about ie6 users |
19:20.33 | Nullivex | they see a jaded internet as it is |
19:20.35 | Nullivex | so they are used to it |
19:23.24 | scottman | boss thought i was going to push a button once a month, i guess he didnt know about cron jobs |
19:23.26 | scottman | lol |
19:23.36 | scottman | just wrote this script to push data |
19:23.41 | Nullivex | lol |
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19:26.08 | Nullivex | alright, well i am going to meander on to some other projects till i get some more input on the php version thing |
19:26.27 | Nullivex | and floele, let me know when the bug tracker becomes avail again, if in fact you do know whats up with it |
19:26.45 | scottman | ok |
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