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| 02:51.04 | SpEnTBoY | ok I'm blind (and possibly was asking in the wrong window) ... wheres the feed for 0.7 rc1? |
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| 08:22.10 | aref_naa | i'm having trouble with sound under gpe 6.1: madplay was working fine a while agom then i tried out opie, now i reinstalled gpe and a bunch of packages, and now all of the apps report 'cannot open sound device', and the file that /dev/dsp is supposed to link to. anyone know how to fix this? |
| 08:22.46 | aref_naa | err... ...dev/dsp is supposed to link to does not exist... |
| 08:28.37 | aref_naa | Ah! found it. buried at the bottom of a wiki page. nevermind. |
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| 11:55.21 | etbe | How do you build the busybox for Familiar? I compiled it from the CVS and the result was half the size of the one that's in the default feed... It works but obviously isn't the same as the default one... |
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| 13:59.07 | alhren | anyone know offhand what kind of bitrate familiar's xine can handle? |
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| 14:06.46 | xcasex | anyone alive? |
| 14:12.15 | alhren | i don't suppose you know how to get audio working in xine? |
| 14:15.28 | xcasex | with what device? |
| 14:17.04 | alhren | ipaq 3765, i've double checked that sound in general does work and changed the device from null to auto in the config, oss and esd fail to load, so i'm not sure what to go with |
| 14:18.25 | xcasex | hmmm oh i wouldnt know but try running kudzu and see what it gives you.. |
| 14:20.28 | alhren | no kudzu, or package for it. |
| 14:20.47 | xcasex | hmmm |
| 14:20.57 | xcasex | what does dmesg tell you? |
| 14:23.27 | alhren | all i can see is 'ipaq audio support initialized', no errors visible |
| 14:24.36 | xcasex | wait a sec i'll google and see what i can find |
| 14:27.10 | xcasex | nope sorry cant find anyone else with the problem :/ |
| 14:27.31 | alhren | it's annoying because it'll decode the video just fine. i transcoded the bitrate down, and the video plays smoothly, without sound. I transcoded the sound into a separate file and that played fine. but they won't play together. |
| 14:30.36 | xcasex | how many channels does the soundchip support? |
| 14:31.02 | alhren | i don't know. |
| 14:31.14 | xcasex | hmm |
| 14:31.19 | alhren | never looked into the technical data for it |
| 14:31.34 | xcasex | oh well i really dunno, but i can understand the annoyance factor :/ |
| 14:32.02 | xcasex | i myself just bought one of the developer edition agenda vr3's and i am thinking of slapping gpe unto it :D |
| 14:33.19 | alhren | yeah. i at one point had sound working (except that the only clip i had was 4 minutes/50megs. This is 5 minutes/11 megs. (Two reinstalls later to try out prereleases, and it took an hour to get ANY sound working.) |
| 14:33.26 | alhren | nice. |
| 14:34.30 | xcasex | :D |
| 14:44.30 | alhren | looks like it's time to try the basic bootstrap and ipkg everything in. |
| 14:46.24 | alhren | i'm convinced this is a problem with sound daemons. |
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| 15:19.41 | alhren | i'm really beginning to wish ppp was 100% set up on the ipaq side in the bootstrap images. |
| 15:20.46 | xcasex | hehe not fun being alhren ;D |
| 15:21.58 | alhren | this is the fifth image i've flashed in the past 2 weeks, just trying to make everything work right. boot-gpe has many broken things. |
| 15:23.01 | xcasex | why dont take the easy route and buy a zaurus ? :D |
| 15:24.14 | alhren | heh. i'd love to have money to spend on a new handheld... or a new gaming system so i can dedicate this box to linux... or a 80" widescreen tv... but $$$ are short. |
| 15:24.23 | alhren | oh well. |
| 15:25.02 | xcasex | well i have just started using ebay and pricerunner (a swedish price comparison webrobot thingie) |
| 15:25.06 | xcasex | so im saving a few |
| 15:25.08 | xcasex | but |
| 15:25.21 | xcasex | i need a new laptop the g3 ibook has some issues nowadays |
| 15:25.52 | alhren | oh yeah. laptop. that's near the top of my list. :) |
| 15:26.45 | xcasex | hehe :D |
| 15:26.52 | xcasex | well that and a new wifi node |
| 15:27.56 | alhren | ergh. ipkg upgrade is taking forever. |
| 15:28.07 | xcasex | hehe |
| 15:28.17 | xcasex | they should port portage over instead of dpkg :D |
| 15:29.01 | alhren | at least i'm on a lan. (i shudder to think of doing any package downloading over dialup...) |
| 15:29.17 | xcasex | eek.. that would be horrid.. |
| 15:29.34 | xcasex | i'm trying to hunt down a ethernet cradle for the darn agenda pda.. |
| 15:30.03 | xcasex | otherwise it's either ir or ppp and that isnt acceptable imo |
| 15:30.20 | alhren | that's why i'm scrambling to get my software settled in on my box and pda before college is over |
| 15:30.32 | alhren | (fresh redhat install) |
| 15:30.38 | xcasex | aah :D |
| 15:30.43 | xcasex | new to linux or? |
| 15:31.08 | alhren | more of an 'it supports ALL of my hardware out of the box' switch. |
| 15:31.22 | alhren | was running mandrake, switched to slackware |
| 15:31.27 | xcasex | haha thats always nice to hear . |
| 15:31.29 | alhren | now redhat |
| 15:32.15 | xcasex | well i've been on the oss train since '93 and i'm liking it :D |
| 15:32.23 | alhren | for some reason slackware's kernel flipped out on usb. segfaults, even kernel panic if usb things were connected when the install cd booted. |
| 15:32.36 | xcasex | that's very strange... |
| 15:33.03 | alhren | maybe a bad vburn, but 3 cds of packages are nice too. |
| 15:33.16 | alhren | don't have to build everything from source either. :) |
| 15:33.20 | etbe | ipkg upgrade over dialup probably wouldn't be that much slower. Due to the way it downloads one package and installs it completely before downloading the next, it only does about 5Kb/s average or less when installing small packages. |
| 15:33.20 | xcasex | and even more strange is that i've been hearing about kernel panics "caused" by the usb lkm's hmm.. to much lately |
| 15:34.05 | xcasex | ok =) |
| 15:34.27 | alhren | that's not too horrible. |
| 15:35.15 | xcasex | now what would be really nice is to get hold of a flashcard r/w thing that is hooked up on the serialport :D |
| 15:36.23 | alhren | heh. it would have been nice to have been able to buy a serial *cradle* in the first place. |
| 15:36.32 | alhren | had to add serial to my usb cradle. |
| 15:37.00 | xcasex | well i just have a serialport interface cable for the agendavr3 so .. :/ |
| 15:37.58 | alhren | ipaq's started shipping with usb-only... had to track down pinouts for the connector and solder some leads on, then solder onto a db9. that was *fun.* |
| 15:38.21 | xcasex | ugh |
| 15:38.33 | xcasex | that sounds like my planned memory upgrade for the agenda :D |
| 15:38.50 | xcasex | need to solder piggyback style the sdram simm's .. |
| 15:38.57 | alhren | heh. |
| 15:41.06 | alhren | is there enough room in the thing for that? |
| 15:42.08 | xcasex | heh probably not but a friend of mine works with industrial design so he can probably refit it for me :D |
| 15:43.14 | alhren | nice. |
| 15:43.37 | xcasex | yeah well let's put it down like this, he has a hard time getting the thumb out of the you know what. |
| 15:43.55 | alhren | lol |
| 15:45.19 | xcasex | hmm i wonder |
| 15:45.27 | alhren | dangit! it went to sleep and screwed up installing a package. |
| 15:45.42 | xcasex | if i buy a rs232<->usb converter ... i do still need a usb chip onboard dont i? |
| 15:46.00 | alhren | probably. |
| 15:46.45 | alhren | mine used one connector, but the 4 usb leads were in a different place than the rs232 |
| 15:47.27 | xcasex | maybe if one uses a laptop docking station with onboard usb... naw.. that would be overkill... |
| 15:47.37 | alhren | heh. |
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| 16:08.18 | aref_naa_ | is this network overly flaky, or have i just been away from irc so long i don't remember properly? |
| 16:08.56 | jg | aref_naa_: it has hardly be something to call "reliable" |
| 16:10.16 | aref_naa_ | heh. :) |
| 16:13.01 | xcasex | aref_naa_: get this, lilo is getting fsf funding for this network also ... |
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| 16:15.52 | alhren | looks like the reinstall fixed xine. |
| 16:16.09 | alhren | oss shows up as the default sound system in the config. |
| 16:16.55 | alhren | (now to get gpe properly installed...) |
| 16:19.06 | xcasex | hehe |
| 16:19.22 | xcasex | how much space does gpe+familiar occupy? |
| 16:20.25 | alhren | not much. 64mb base memory, I had quite a lot left last time I had it installed, enough for at least an 11mb movie clip and some extraneous stuff, and whatever free space i had left. |
| 16:20.44 | alhren | plus my 2 128mb CF cards. :) lots of mp3's. |
| 16:20.46 | xcasex | hmmm |
| 16:21.02 | xcasex | the bare minimum then ? |
| 16:22.18 | alhren | never really counted megabytes. it's a low-impact install tho |
| 16:22.59 | xcasex | thing is .. i have 14MB to store the system on ... |
| 16:23.16 | alhren | ah. |
| 16:23.31 | xcasex | yeah so thats my little gripe :/ |
| 16:23.49 | alhren | it should fit, if you're picky about packages. dunno, really. |
| 16:24.36 | xcasex | hmm i'll see what i can do when it gets here :D |
| 16:24.48 | alhren | Igh. this is annoying. The task package for gpe installed, but none of its dependencies. |
| 16:25.19 | xcasex | haha :D |
| 16:26.06 | alhren | i'm glad i 'ipkg list > pkglist'ed, or i'd be going insane trying to remember package names. |
| 16:27.29 | alhren | i've also just realized i have three ssh connections piping through 1 serial port... |
| 16:29.17 | xcasex | haha :D |
| 16:30.09 | alhren | Better than i do on the desktop. i usually have most of the virtual consoles plus half a dozen Eterms open. |
| 16:30.35 | xcasex | same here |
| 16:30.53 | xcasex | i usually just have Eterms open and abiword + evolution |
| 16:31.36 | alhren | i've taken to keeping madplay on vc/2 on mass shuffle thru all my music, |
| 16:31.49 | xcasex | hehe sweet :D |
| 16:32.26 | xcasex | do you use vwm's in gpe ? |
| 16:32.40 | alhren | vwm? |
| 16:32.49 | xcasex | multiple desktops |
| 16:33.28 | alhren | ah. no. still can't figure out how to access the f-keys on the ipaq, though i do it on my desktop sometimes. |
| 16:33.46 | xcasex | hehe drag in the gnome-panel ;D and use it's applets :P |
| 16:34.30 | xcasex | stella ? |
| 16:35.10 | alhren | atari 2600 emulator. uses fkeys to launch games. someone made one work for wince, but the familiar one still wants f-keys. |
| 16:35.16 | xcasex | aaah :D |
| 16:35.23 | xcasex | but for the f-keys |
| 16:35.32 | xcasex | why not just use xmodmap or something similar? |
| 16:35.45 | alhren | ??? |
| 16:35.53 | xcasex | uhm forget it :D |
| 16:35.58 | alhren | (still relative newbie to some stuff) |
| 16:36.09 | xcasex | okey :D |
| 16:36.12 | xcasex | man xmodmap :D |
| 16:37.38 | alhren | ah. something like that'd really help. (i.e.ctrl-alt-shift-1=f1) |
| 16:37.46 | xcasex | yep :D |
| 16:37.49 | alhren | if it can be done |
| 16:38.12 | alhren | and that makes 5 eterms and counting... |
| 16:40.08 | alhren | WOOHOO! XIne plays the movie w/sound! |
| 16:40.15 | xcasex | sweet :D |
| 16:40.28 | alhren | too bad i encoded the sound at 32kbps :) |
| 16:40.36 | xcasex | heh |
| 16:41.49 | alhren | Video's not bad tho. 300kbps is hardly noticeable on that screen. |
| 16:42.41 | xcasex | sounds good enuff :D |
| 16:42.58 | alhren | quite. now i can play that video i'm addicted to anywhere. |
| 16:44.12 | alhren | quite a crunch too. 80meg mpg to 11mb divx. |
| 16:44.23 | xcasex | unless it's anika boa i dont care :P |
| 16:44.42 | xcasex | *anika moa |
| 16:45.01 | alhren | nope. avalanches 'frontier psychiatrist' music vid |
| 16:45.24 | alhren | it's weird, but you can't stop watching it :) |
| 16:45.32 | xcasex | haha |
| 16:45.47 | xcasex | that's like the reyksopp video with the vector gfx |
| 16:48.02 | alhren | never saw that one. |
| 16:48.17 | xcasex | oh it's pretty neato :D |
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| 16:49.06 | sexizfun | Hi all |
| 16:49.25 | alhren | that was random |
| 16:49.30 | xcasex | yeah |
| 16:50.04 | alhren | there are *print servers* for these things?! (scrolling package list) |
| 16:50.12 | xcasex | haha |
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| 16:50.40 | gantrix | hello? |
| 16:51.50 | xcasex | we're not here |
| 16:51.56 | gantrix | bummer |
| 16:52.00 | gantrix | you must be a bot then |
| 16:52.04 | xcasex | yep |
| 16:52.26 | gantrix | I need a new PDA |
| 16:52.35 | alhren | so do we all... |
| 16:52.39 | xcasex | tough |
| 16:52.58 | gantrix | My old one is a 512K 3Com "PalmPilot" |
| 16:53.05 | gantrix | I was going to go buy an IPAQ and put familiar/Opie on it |
| 16:53.31 | gantrix | which do you prefer, the IPAQ 1910 or 3835? |
| 16:53.41 | gantrix | will familiar even run on the 1910? |
| 16:53.54 | xcasex | buy a zaurus and save some time |
| 16:53.58 | alhren | heh. |
| 16:54.09 | gantrix | I don't really like the zaurus packaging |
| 16:54.28 | gantrix | plus zaurus has a closed source desktop environment doesn't it? |
| 16:54.35 | xcasex | ehm no |
| 16:54.38 | xcasex | or sort of |
| 16:54.47 | xcasex | but it runs leenooks |
| 16:54.48 | xcasex | :D |
| 16:55.03 | gantrix | isn't familiar leenooks? |
| 16:55.14 | alhren | yup |
| 16:55.26 | xcasex | yes , but i wouldnt recommend someone to bootstrap a new pda |
| 16:55.26 | xcasex | :D |
| 16:55.38 | gantrix | is it that big of a pain in the ass? |
| 16:56.02 | xcasex | to bootstrap a pda.. well.. yes but in the arse.. no ;D |
| 16:56.41 | gantrix | so then is everyone giving up on the IPAQ/familiar platform and just using Zaurus? |
| 16:56.45 | alhren | you have to wrestle packages for a while. sometimes you have to build hardware. bootstraps for .6.1 are screwy... |
| 16:56.46 | xcasex | nope |
| 16:57.18 | xcasex | let me put it like this, how long have you been using linux ? |
| 16:57.27 | gantrix | so why is anyone developing linux stuff for the Ipaq then? |
| 16:57.28 | xcasex | and what experience level would you say you have? |
| 16:57.38 | gantrix | I've been using linux for about 4 years |
| 16:57.48 | xcasex | ah well then.. you should be able todo it :D |
| 16:58.05 | xcasex | why we are? because we can and linux fits well on these sort of devices :D |
| 16:58.08 | gantrix | wait, you are saying I have to build hardware to load a boot image onto my ipaq? |
| 16:58.24 | alhren | i had to add serial connectivity to my cradle |
| 16:58.46 | gantrix | what sort of cradle does it come with? USB? |
| 16:58.51 | alhren | yep. |
| 16:59.13 | gantrix | and you can't connect with USB? |
| 16:59.41 | gantrix | does familiar run on the Ipaq 1910? |
| 16:59.45 | alhren | current bootloader only works over serial using minicom and the like |
| 17:00.08 | gantrix | where can I find a "howto" on doing all this? |
| 17:00.14 | alhren | don't know. last i checked they were still working on a 3800 port |
| 17:00.27 | alhren | familiar.handhelds.org+google=all you get |
| 17:01.01 | gantrix | well then that might sinch it up for me then |
| 17:01.10 | gantrix | if there is too little tech info out there, I might choose to go with a Sony Clie |
| 17:01.16 | gantrix | or buy a Zaurus |
| 17:01.22 | Disconnect | ibot: h3800 |
| 17:01.23 | | methinks h3800 is all working. see http://www.handhelds.org/projects/h3800.html |
| 17:02.05 | alhren | meh. i don't have one, so i didn't pay much attention |
| 17:02.33 | jg | gantrix: 38xx all works. 39xx almost all working. 54xx port underway, but still working on basic drivers.... |
| 17:02.34 | gantrix | I'm not going to mod my cradle to add a serial connection |
| 17:03.12 | Disconnect | want a pda (at a decent price point)? get a palm device.. want a small laptop-type thing? get an ipaq under gpe/x .. want something halfway between? ipaq under opie.. (which is where I am these days) .. and if you just want to lose all your data periodically, use a wince device ;) |
| 17:03.54 | xcasex | Disconnect: you wouldnt know if i can squeeze in familiar+gpe/opie on a agenda vr3 developer ed. ? |
| 17:03.54 | alhren | i tend to enjoy hardware mods... (trying to remember where i put my NES-parallel-port gamepad...) |
| 17:03.56 | gantrix | yes, Ipaq with Opie is what I was interested in |
| 17:04.06 | Disconnect | and IIRC demo has gotten a dell axim to start booting, but not much farther (amazingly enough, he's done it w/ no dell support, too..) |
| 17:04.34 | Disconnect | xcasex: no idea, but the website has a hardware compatibility page that should indicate. not sure how up to date it is with the newest devices, but for the agenda it should say.. |
| 17:04.43 | gantrix | I thought the dell axims are the same as the ipaqs |
| 17:04.45 | xcasex | thanks Disconnect :D |
| 17:05.05 | Disconnect | gantrix: its not like PC, where the nuances are hidden by bios.. |
| 17:05.31 | Disconnect | gantrix: its a very similar device, but unless the hardware is identical (and its not, compaq would be suing most likely if it was...) its still gotta be ported. |
| 17:05.56 | gantrix | I thought compaq made the axim for dell |
| 17:06.15 | Disconnect | IIRC strongarm makes some of it easy (standardized serial and lcd controller, etc) but its not 'the same' (witness demo, who worked for many months to get it as far as 'uncompressing...ok. Booting'..) |
| 17:06.24 | Disconnect | might be.. but its still at least a bit different inside. |
| 17:07.38 | Disconnect | hrm. strangely enough, the agenda isn't listed on the platforms page at all.. might hit the list archives. (I'm thinking it has been asked before, I just don't recall the answer...) |
| 17:07.44 | gantrix | I don't mind playing around with this stuff as long as I eventually get it to work, but I really don't want to buy a $300 ipaq only to have it totally screwed up and unusable with a modified craddle that I can't return |
| 17:08.01 | xcasex | Disconnect: hmm i cant find it either ... |
| 17:08.15 | alhren | $300? i paid $500 in june for mine... |
| 17:08.17 | Disconnect | http://www.handhelds.org/platforms.html lists the status of the newer ipaq devices (which, IIRC, is "getting there" once you pass the 3900..) |
| 17:08.32 | xcasex | alhren: i paid 60$ for mine ;D |
| 17:08.35 | gantrix | I think they have come down in price since the newer models are out |
| 17:08.47 | gantrix | my coworker paid $200 for a demo model |
| 17:08.53 | gantrix | ebay has them for around $260 |
| 17:09.17 | Disconnect | its amazing how much cheaper they've gotten ;) |
| 17:09.25 | alhren | eh. at least it was all gift money n my case. |
| 17:10.02 | Disconnect | looks like the newest mostly-working is the 3900 .. |
| 17:10.22 | gantrix | ok, so explain this to me |
| 17:10.33 | gantrix | how do I get the initial image on the PDA |
| 17:10.52 | gantrix | are you saying I have to make a special serial to (whatever connection the PDA has) cable? |
| 17:11.07 | alhren | bootloader is installed under wince |
| 17:11.36 | gantrix | so how do I get boot loader to pull an image in from my laptop? |
| 17:11.36 | Disconnect | you run a wince app that saves off the flash and installs a bootldr.. then you boot to the bootldr (serial or - recently - you can flash w/ the lcd and a vfat cf/pcmcia hdd/whatever..) and install the root image |
| 17:11.48 | Disconnect | with serial, its x or ymodem (takes a while) |
| 17:11.53 | alhren | i actually had to take my cradle apart and solder an entirely new set of wires into the main interface chip |
| 17:11.55 | SpEnTBoY | is usb networking not working on 3900? |
| 17:12.11 | alhren | err...board not chip |
| 17:12.19 | Disconnect | with reflash bootloaders, you dump a config file and an image on a vfat partition, then it reads that in and you pick off a list. its slick... |
| 17:13.03 | gantrix | I'm confused |
| 17:13.11 | Disconnect | re the agenda: http://agendawiki.com/ - not sure if familiar will (or even can) run on it, but since its linux out of the box a new port wouldn't be particularly hard. |
| 17:13.23 | gantrix | How big is the PocketPC image that get saved off? |
| 17:13.36 | Disconnect | gantrix: size of flash - 32M or some such. (but my breakfast is ready, I gotta bail.) |
| 17:13.36 | xcasex | Disconnect: oh i have that one bookmarked yet (im a google fanatic) |
| 17:13.40 | gantrix | are you telling me I have to get the boot image onto a compact flash card? |
| 17:13.53 | alhren | or use a serial cradle |
| 17:14.00 | Disconnect | gantrix: thats the fast, new, slick way. the old way (safer, too) is to use serial and send it over ymodem |
| 17:14.39 | gantrix | but I have to make a special cable just to allow my laptop to talk to my Ipaq? |
| 17:14.53 | gantrix | they don't come with serial cradles anymore |
| 17:14.57 | alhren | unless you can find/buy a serial cradle |
| 17:15.15 | gantrix | can't minicom use USB? |
| 17:16.13 | gantrix | you would think if HP/Compaq were so hip on linux, they might help out with some of this stuff |
| 17:16.30 | gantrix | at least make free webspace available like they do for the linux printer stuff |
| 17:18.34 | gantrix | does PocketPC allow me to ftp to it? |
| 17:19.00 | alhren | I believe so. There's a faq on connecting to it from linux somewhere |
| 17:19.38 | gantrix | fuck it, maybe I should just bite the bullet and buy one hoping I can get it to work |
| 17:20.46 | gantrix | I don't know too much about compaq flash, how do I make a bootimage compaq flash and what equipment do I need? |
| 17:21.29 | alhren | CF card.just the sleeve and a cf. |
| 17:21.39 | gantrix | what is cf? |
| 17:21.58 | alhren | compactflash memory, also used by digital cameras |
| 17:22.06 | alhren | little squarish chip |
| 17:22.13 | gantrix | I know |
| 17:22.19 | gantrix | I wasn't familiar with the acronym |
| 17:22.24 | alhren | ah. |
| 17:22.36 | gantrix | so I will need to get a cf reader/writer? |
| 17:23.18 | alhren | they should still have the sleeves, you can just send it through the ipaq onto the cf from your desktop |
| 17:23.23 | gantrix | hmmm, it looks as if you can make minicom work with USB |
| 17:23.41 | gantrix | there are devices called /dev/ttyUSB0 etc |
| 17:23.52 | gantrix | so if this is the case, that is all I would need |
| 17:23.59 | alhren | i don't think the bootloader works with it tho... |
| 17:24.31 | gantrix | hmmm, that should be high priority on the developers list |
| 17:24.50 | alhren | From the 0.6.1 install guide: The only way to communicate with the bootldr is via the serial port. You will need a serial sync cable or serial sync cradle. You will need to use a terminal program such as minicom, kermit, or Hyperterminal. |
| 17:24.56 | gantrix | the more people you get playing with these things, the more popular they we be |
| 17:25.23 | gantrix | where can I get a serial sync cable? |
| 17:25.39 | alhren | build or buy, if they still sell 'em. |
| 17:25.56 | gantrix | damn, this seems like a loosing battle |
| 17:26.27 | gantrix | Having Linux on a PDA would be cool, but not necessary. Mainly I just need something that works with my Linux desktop nicely |
| 17:26.33 | alhren | cf jacket was $40 for me, that'd probably be your best choice. |
| 17:26.48 | gantrix | I'm so tired of manufacturers providing free software only for Windows people |
| 17:29.36 | alhren | i'd be perfectly happy to dump windows entirely if it weren't for my $400+ in games for it. |
| 17:29.57 | gantrix | I've been MS free for 4 years |
| 17:30.02 | alhren | windows sees about 5% of my computer's uptime |
| 17:30.08 | gantrix | except when I'm forced to use it at work |
| 17:31.43 | gantrix | ok, so it sounds like I need to buy a CF card and borrow a friends CF sleeve in order to get this thing working |
| 17:32.13 | gantrix | but at least I'll be able to boot off of the CF without destroying the windows CE that is already on the Ipaq |
| 17:32.20 | gantrix | just in case I need to return it :) |
| 17:32.42 | alhren | that's your easiest option. you can actually put wince back if you want for some odd reason. |
| 17:32.58 | gantrix | how much does a CF card cost now? |
| 17:33.44 | alhren | I see 128mb's for aroun $50, but the bootstraps would only need 16mb tops |
| 17:34.27 | gantrix | how much would a 16 or 32MB CF cost? |
| 17:34.42 | gantrix | oh well, I guess it is a trip to Fry's electronics |
| 17:34.48 | alhren | Less. (I haven't looked at those in forever) |
| 17:34.55 | gantrix | OK folks, I'm off to run some errands |
| 17:35.16 | gantrix | I'll probably be back later to chat |
| 17:35.18 | gantrix | adios |
| 17:38.27 | alhren | Looks like it's time for food. be back in a while |
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