IRC log for #elive on 20171023

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03:32.51keyrawelcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_31! =)
03:32.59keyrahow is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody!
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10:04.32Thanatermesis!memo grottem i have another betatest for you :), about upgraded .e dir, ping me when you are going to try the new version :D
10:04.32keyraOk, I'll notify grottem when I see him/her around!
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10:44.42keyragrottem, memo for you: <Thanatermesis/#elive/2017-10-23 12:04>  i have another betatest for you :), about upgraded .e dir, ping me when you are going to try the new version :D
10:45.30Thanatermesisgrottem, forget it, im just doing an upgrade :)
10:45.32keyra:)
10:45.44grottemok
10:45.58grottemwas in a forest for a little walk
10:46.09Thanatermesisnice! :)
10:46.16Thanatermesisis already cold there?
10:46.24Thanatermesistemp started to decrease here
10:46.27grottemsun is shining
10:47.16grottemits between 15 and 20 degrees so rather warm
10:47.28grottemit's to hot for the time of year
10:47.56Thanatermesisyeah!
10:49.28grottemi still walk around in short and tshirt
10:52.04Thanatermesisheh
10:52.18Thanatermesisi think that soon you could not do that
10:52.25Thanatermesisgrottem, btw, 2.9.11 is uploaded!
10:52.35grottemok this mean
10:52.42grottemtest the usb :D
10:52.59grottemand do a full upgrade :)
10:53.01keyra:)
10:53.02Thanatermesisshort & cut changelog from an email: The new version features: much more performant desktop & rendering (164%), lots of fixes and stabilizations, new features to watch and recover from possible blocked desktops, improved installer, better video rendering, font sizing autodetection per screen dpi & resolution, etc
10:53.05keyraThanatermesis ping, somebody needs you
10:53.09Thanatermesisyeah :)
10:53.22Thanatermesisgrottem, test the zsync mode of usb-bootable-tool to see if works :)
10:53.30keyrazsync is awesome! you can download new elive isos by just using a 10% of data transfer, try something like this example:  zsync -i elive_2.9.7_beta_hybrid.iso http://isos.elivecd.org/development/elive_2.9.8_beta_hybrid.iso.zsync
10:54.16grottemhaha
10:54.24grottemkeyra update your message :p
10:54.26keyra
10:55.48Thanatermesismmh, true
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10:57.44keyrayepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D
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11:01.48Thanatermesishey keyra, how to record Elive in a usb ?
11:01.56keyrause usb-bootable-elive tool to automatically download and record your USB with Elive. If you are in other linux* use "dd" or Usb-ImageWriter, if you are in Windows use UsbWriter
11:02.45grottemor pendrive works like a charm
11:02.55Thanatermesiswhat is pendrive?
11:03.07grottema tool to write img to usb :)
11:03.09keyra:)
11:03.28grottemi think it also has a automatic img download but not sure
11:04.11Thanatermesismmh, im just looking it, this one is not good
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11:04.20Thanatermesissee : https://www.pendrivelinux.com/wp-content/uploads/Universal-USB-Installer2.png
11:04.24Thanatermesisit does the same thing as unetbootin
11:04.30Thanatermesisit CHANGES your image structure
11:04.39keyrado not use unetbootin, use dd which will dump the correct structure of partitions and filesystems and everything needed, those tools just copy the files and decide by themselves how to make it booting, making it not so reliable as the many hours that we spend on making it to rock! :)
11:04.46grottemnever had a problem with it
11:04.48Thanatermesisexactly ^ keyra
11:05.02Thanatermesisgrottem, but it modifies the image, it should not
11:05.17Thanatermesisthe suggested tools by keyra dont modify them, they just "dump" to the usb
11:05.37grottemok
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11:07.27Thanatermesisotherwise things can be broken and features missing
11:07.58Thanatermesishum, i should add a checker for that and warn the user in live mode lol
11:08.03keyralive mode means the not-installed Elive, so Elive booted from a USB or DVD
11:08.25Thanatermesiskeyra, you should have a feature to filter to "who" are you answering some questions!
11:09.35grottemis away:
11:30.05Thanatermesis!memo grottem i need to do a fast check, do you have any USB that has been recorded with unetbootin or pendrive?
11:30.05keyraOk, I'll notify grottem when I see him/her around!
11:30.19keyrado not use unetbootin, use dd which will dump the correct structure of partitions and filesystems and everything needed, those tools just copy the files and decide by themselves how to make it booting, making it not so reliable as the many hours that we spend on making it to rock! :)
11:54.33PrinceAMD<Thanatermesis> but don't worry, PrinceAMD is here to help! :) | yeah... no
11:55.05PrinceAMD* Thanatermesis thinks that keyra is in love with PrinceAMD | she plays so hard to get, it's as if she's a bot
11:55.07keyrayou think so?
11:55.13PrinceAMDhave a great week guys!
11:55.18keyraok so, are you telling me that you have high biology studies that makes you know what is alive and what is not? so what about fire? it has the ability to reproduce itself, to eat, to die...
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13:09.48keyragrottem, memo for you: <Thanatermesis/#elive/2017-10-23 13:30>  i need to do a fast check, do you have any USB that has been recorded with unetbootin or pendrive?
13:10.04grottemnot anymore Thanatermesis
13:10.12grottemif you want i could create one
13:10.18Thanatermesisyeah that could be nice
13:10.29Thanatermesiswith any iso, i just need "to have it recorded with"
13:10.43grottem:) i'll first need to start my vm
13:11.04Thanatermesisvm for usb creation?
13:11.20grottempendrive does it work in linux?
13:11.27Thanatermesisidk :)
13:11.29keyra:)
13:13.50grottemdon't find it
13:13.58grottemi know it could create multiboot
13:14.03grottemthat a nice feature
13:16.46grottemwindows update mmm that's an hour waiting :p
13:16.48keyra
13:28.28grottemThanatermesis, was thinking couldn't i install a distro in virtual box from the fysical usb drive?
13:38.02grottemThanatermesis, my system doesn't recognice the usb
13:47.28Thanatermesishum...
13:47.37grottemit's fixed
13:47.53grottembut trying to get elive img with pendrive because it isn't listed
13:47.59Thanatermesisgrottem, well i think that vbox cannot boot from usb, but you can create an HD image based on the usb image
13:48.10keyrause "usb-bootable-elive" tool to automatically download and record your USB with Elive. If you are in other Linux* use "dd" from a terminal or the Usb-ImageWriter tool, if you are in Windows use UsbWriter, please do not use other tools than the suggested ones
13:48.12Thanatermesiswhy is not listed? damn...
13:48.28grottemnow puppyos yes elive no
13:48.54Thanatermesisif they has it, Elive will have more users
13:50.27Thanatermesiswell, maybe because Elive has not a stable yet
13:51.32grottemtrue
13:51.49grottemif you are listed in the dropdown it can enhance the userbase
13:52.19grottemalso there is a direct download link so start the installer click download and you have no worries
13:55.27grottemand they only work with iso not img
13:55.28grottem...
13:55.37grottemgrrr have to download the iso now
13:58.59Thanatermesis<grottem> if you are listed in the dropdown it can enhance the userbase
13:59.00Thanatermesisa LOT
14:00.25Thanatermesisi think that is needed to brainstorm the "possible coming from" places to Elive in order to improve it for the 3.0 release (for example, contact these usb-creator tools to make it working with elive, contact specific magazines, sites like reddit or slashdot, etc)
14:00.29Thanatermesisthats called strategy :)
14:00.31keyra:)
14:00.36Thanatermesisand keyra likes it!
14:01.04grottemtoo
14:01.15grottembut i think its wise to wait
14:01.29Thanatermesiswait what?
14:01.38grottemuntil the debian base is changed from wheezy to stretch...
14:01.51Thanatermesiswait is a never-ending loop lol
14:02.06grottemthis would be nice to wait for
14:02.08Thanatermesisbetter now than nothing
14:02.28grottemotherwise you get known as the old distro
14:02.43Thanatermesisyes, amd64 too, uefi too... but this who knows when happen? better now than never, and also if userbase dont grows, Elive will be dead
14:03.09Thanatermesisheh, there's a marketing sentence which says "there's not a bad publicity, there's just publicity"
14:03.18Thanatermesisif ppl talks about Elive is old, they -TALKS- about elive, which is good
14:03.29Thanatermesis"elivewhat? what is elive? let me see.. oh nice!"
14:03.29grottemtrue but if they don't use it...
14:03.52grottemthey talk about it
14:03.55grottembut....
14:04.53grottemok it accepts the iso
14:07.17Thanatermesisgrottem, check the bottom of the doc :)
14:07.20keyra:)
14:07.51grottemremind me about chilli! in 60 min
14:07.51keyragrottem: don't worry! I will remind you about "chilli!" in 60 min
14:09.32grottemyep seen it :D
14:12.28grottemThanatermesis, added something
14:18.54Thanatermesisok :)
14:18.56keyra:)
14:18.57Thanatermesiswe need to make a big list
14:19.04Thanatermesisand brainstorm all the possibiilies
14:19.26Thanatermesiswhich means researching in internet, what the users most use, like common forums, youtube linux channels, etc...
14:20.48grottemyep
14:25.22grottemthis version of virtual box don't allow booting from usb
14:25.34keyrause "usb-bootable-elive" tool to automatically download and record your USB with Elive. If you are in other Linux* use "dd" from a terminal or the Usb-ImageWriter tool, if you are in Windows use UsbWriter, please do not use other tools than the suggested ones
14:33.15Thanatermesisnone of htem
14:33.26Thanatermesisyou need ot create an HD image with the usb image
14:33.36grottemthey bloody should
14:33.42grottemlazy oracle bastards
14:33.44grottem:)
14:33.46Thanatermesisyep
14:33.46keyra:)
14:34.07Thanatermesisvboxmanage convertfromraw --format VMDK elive.img vbox-hd.vmdk
14:34.18Thanatermesisthat is the way, then you add the disk as a disk and boot from the disk lol
14:34.21Thanatermesisanyhow
14:35.03Thanatermesisand if you want to us epersitence you need to resize it lol
14:35.10Thanatermesisgrottem, use a real usb in a real computer?
14:35.27grottemwell doing it now
14:35.49grottemso i'm going offline in a couple of secs just testing the elive usb tool :p
14:35.51keyra
14:35.51grottem:D
14:39.27Thanatermesisgrottem, did you used usb-bootable-elive ?
14:39.32Thanatermesisor you are upgrading your system ?
14:39.37Thanatermesisdont know which test we dong now
14:40.10grottemwell
14:40.19grottemi'm going to use usb boota...
14:40.29grottemto write the correct img on usb
14:40.39grottem(hopefully)
14:40.44grottemthen do the update :)
14:40.47keyra:)
14:40.51grottem(hopefully)
14:40.57grottemwithout any dataloss
14:41.00grottem(hopefully)
14:41.24Thanatermesisheh
14:41.29Thanatermesisbetatesting is always dangerous
14:41.39Thanatermesisi have already did some tests if you feel more safe :)
14:43.45grottemnope
14:43.48grottemhaha
14:53.38Thanatermesisgrottem, what is the name of that cli browser you said the other day?
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15:02.31grottemok
15:02.32grottembrb
15:02.41grottemgoing to try the usb
15:02.47grottemwish me luch :D
15:02.50grottemluck
15:02.53Thanatermesisgrottem, wait
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15:07.56keyragrottem: chilli!
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15:09.14keyrawelcome to Elive, Elive_user1! =)
15:09.22keyrahow is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody!
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15:14.55keyrawelcome to Elive, Elive_user_da_18! =)
15:15.03keyrahow is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody!
15:28.56Thanatermesisapug
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15:29.17keyrayepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D
15:29.33Thanatermesis!keyword apug apug is an alias for your terminal (alias | grep apt) to upgrade your system
15:29.33keyraDefining 'apug' with: 'apug is an alias for your terminal (alias | grep apt) to upgrade your system'.
15:33.04Elive_user_da_18sselurinn
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15:38.15keyrawelcome to Elive, Elive_user_es_32! =)
15:38.23keyrahow is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody!
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15:47.17keyrawelcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_24! =)
15:47.25keyrahow is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody!
15:47.29Elive_user_en_24Thanatermesis, You have an older version of Elive in your hard disk. Version 'beta - 2.9.0'
15:47.31Elive_user_en_24haha
15:47.52Thanatermesisi should include a message that says "this is a dinosaur!"
15:48.30grottemUpgradehehe
15:48.46grottemUpgradeDo you want to use Google Chrome instead of Firefox? Sometimes one works better than the other depending of your computer's graphical card.
15:48.54grottemUpgrade... i want you keep all
15:49.02ThanatermesisgrottemUpgrade, btw, did you have see any "null" (yeah, typed "null") messages in eltrans ?
15:49.27grottemUpgradeno not yet
15:49.32ThanatermesisgrottemUpgrade, ok, this needs a rephrase, it says "use now", not about what you will have installed later
15:49.38Thanatermesisthinks that there's a bug in the auto translator
15:49.51grottemUpgradebut i need to work on eltrans asap
15:50.22grottemUpgradeooh it for the installer module
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15:50.31keyrawelcome to Elive, Elive_user1! =)
15:50.39keyrahow is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody!
15:51.06Thanatermesis"launching web using chrome instead of firefox?"
15:51.09Thanatermesishumm...
15:51.14Thanatermesis"launching web now... " ?
15:51.19Thanatermesisstart web ?
15:51.31Thanatermesisyeah start web
15:51.51grottemUpgrademeh it's just for the donation so it doesn't mather what you use
15:52.03grottemUpgradei think you could remove it
15:52.10grottemUpgradejust start a browser
15:53.21Thanatermesisit matters because in some computers Chrome not works, and in some others Iceweasel not works (thats why the asking message, only)
15:53.51Thanatermesisyeah that would be better, but how to know? :) the only way is user-choice
15:54.07grottemUpgraderephrase: 'what do you prefere for your download module chrome or firefox'
15:54.13grottemUpgradeadd 2 butons
15:54.18grottemUpgrade1 firefox 2 chrome
15:54.23grottemUpgradeno yes or no questoin
15:54.32grottemUpgrademore clear for user and more user friendly
15:56.09grottemUpgradecould you do somehting about the game
15:56.14Thanatermesismmh... can do this, run:  display http://main.elivecd.org/ss/e-59ee10f7d56e61.80496670.jpg
15:56.38grottemUpgrademaybe a message 'would you like to play mario while you wait'
15:56.40keyraof course! :)
15:57.08Thanatermesisheh too much messages if ask for game (just close it), in the future will be replaced btw
15:57.14Thanatermesiskeyra, not you! go to work! :|
15:57.17keyradon't worry, be happy!
15:57.22Thanatermesisheh
15:57.52grottemUpgrade:) yeah but now when you sound is on you shit your pants :p because it's loud :p
15:57.54keyra"pants OFF!"
15:57.56keyra
15:58.19grottemUpgradeand yes someting like that without the x and V  :p because that could confuse users
15:58.49Thanatermesisheh, thats the not-possible part grottemUpgrade, thats why i showed you the screenshot :)
15:58.51keyra:)
15:58.52Thanatermesisit can only loook like this
15:58.56Thanatermesiscannot change the icon
15:59.00Thanatermesismmh, maybe with another tooll...
15:59.28grottemUpgradeeuhm normaly you should change that maybe with an other parameter or so
16:00.07grottemUpgradeif you can do it with C# :p you could do with anything
16:01.37ThanatermesisC ? nah! too much work!
16:01.42Thanatermesisbut wait, i thinkthat i have found how :)
16:02.18grottemUpgrade:)
16:02.23grottemUpgradegood boy :D
16:05.07ThanatermesisgrottemUpgrade,  display http://main.elivecd.org/ss/e-59ee132b302ff9.85281994.jpg
16:05.59grottemUpgradesee that is something a noob could understand :)
16:06.01keyra:)
16:07.05ThanatermesisSelect the prefered web browser you want to use to continue with the installation. Depending of your graphic card, one works better than the other.
16:07.30Thanatermesispurfect
16:08.26Thanatermesisnext next! grottemUpgrade
16:08.41grottemUpgradei'm just doing the waiting job now
16:08.56grottemUpgradehope my icons aren't removed
16:09.02Thanatermesiswhich icons?
16:09.14grottemUpgradeof my apps :p made it more auwsome :D
16:09.16keyra
16:09.17grottemUpgradehmmm
16:09.21grottemUpgradeok next
16:09.23Thanatermesisyou installed an icon theme?
16:09.27grottemUpgradeno
16:09.35Thanatermesishow they were changed?
16:09.44grottemUpgradei'll come to that later :p
16:09.46grottemUpgradefirst things first
16:09.48grottemUpgradeautologin
16:09.50Thanatermesisok
16:10.10Thanatermesisautologin question should be not asked if you answered it in your previous installation
16:10.39grottemUpgradein my prev login prob this feature wasn't build yet 2.9.0
16:10.41grottemUpgrade:p
16:11.02grottemUpgradeyou should add to the text
16:11.14grottemUpgrade'press cancel if you don't want to use auto login"
16:11.17grottemUpgradeand it's fine
16:11.35grottemUpgradeok installed
16:11.42grottemUpgradegoing to reboot
16:11.45grottemUpgradesee you soon
16:11.49grottemUpgrade(hopefully)
16:14.10Thanatermesis!memo autologin can be configured from the user-manager tool later
16:14.10keyraOk, I'll notify autologin when I see him/her around!
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16:15.07keyrawelcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_96! =)
16:15.15keyrahow is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody!
16:15.19grottem/usr/lib/user-manager/hooks.d/e17-wizard/after/21-demo-files-link.sh: Demo files dir empty
16:15.27grottemnew waring msg i've never seen
16:16.06Thanatermesisgood! let me check that :)
16:16.08keyra:)
16:16.21grottemnooo not good :p
16:16.23keyra
16:16.36grottemalso indeed my icons are gone
16:16.40Thanatermesisyes because now we know it lol
16:16.45grottem:)
16:16.48Thanatermesiswhere they was installed?
16:16.57grottemchat... lost all my settings
16:17.18grottemmy dock is completely reset :(
16:17.20keyra:/
16:17.29grottemhave to set up all my default apps again
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16:18.54grottemand ibox are reset too :p
16:19.05grottemthe one on the right :p i want for me on the left
16:19.09grottemmore cool that way :)
16:19.11Thanatermesisgrottem, well, you have a backup of your old .e but i suggest you tu se always the new ones :)
16:19.27Thanatermesisthere's no way to recyclate parts of the confs, unfortunately
16:19.38Thanatermesismaybe the installer should ask them
16:19.40grottemi know
16:19.56grottemfor most users this isn't any ussue
16:19.57Thanatermesiswell, maybe for 4.0 lol
16:20.11grottem:-) but i'm not a normal user
16:20.18Thanatermesischat should be not upgraded imho... default one is OK
16:20.22grottemwhen i'm done i'll give yo ua sceen shot :)
16:20.44Thanatermesisexit xchat and move .xchat2.bak /oold to the normal dir (delete previous first)
16:20.45grottemchat but my predeff channales etc
16:21.29grottemthinks he's going to write a nice script for that :)
16:22.55Thanatermesisfixed xchat not update next time
16:23.41grottemxchat should be in /etc right?
16:24.13Thanatermesismmmh no its an user conf
16:24.23Thanatermesisnot sure to understand the specifics of the question
16:25.20grottemnevermind
16:25.27grottemdidn't show hiden files
16:25.30keyrapress control + H in your file-manager (thunar)
16:25.43grottembrb
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16:26.55grottemjeej that's nice :D
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16:29.08keyrawelcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_42! =)
16:29.16keyrahow is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody!
16:44.49grottemThanatermesis, this worked :D
16:45.33Thanatermesiswhich part ? :)
16:45.36keyra:)
16:50.13grottemthe chat :)
16:50.17grottemdoing the icons now
16:51.29grottemhttp://main.elivecd.org/ss/e-59ee1e09895ea9.07392624.jpg
16:51.44grottemnot complete but it's a start :p
16:51.46keyra
16:52.37Thanatermesisits "yours" or is a theme you are installing/using?
16:52.58grottemdidn't installed a thing or don't use a theme
16:53.17grottemjust some icons i made my self some i've found on the net :p
16:57.42Thanatermesisi see :)
16:57.44keyra:)
17:02.58grottemok got the look again :D
17:03.12grottemalse my second data partion on places :D
17:03.21grottemnow the latest firefox
17:03.29grottemand i think i'm done
17:03.42grottemfeels like elive is faster
17:05.09Thanatermesisyou feel it? nice! :) yeah it is
17:07.41grottemyes
17:07.53grottemstarting thunar etc is faster
17:07.55grottemreal faster
17:08.41Thanatermesisgrottem, wait, dont install firefox yet
17:09.32grottemok
17:09.42grottemare you trying to implement it?
17:10.54Thanatermesisyep :f
17:12.12grottem:D ok
17:12.20grottemThanatermesis, i'm back in an hour
17:12.22grottemis away:
17:12.52grottemhopes the lockscreen isn't broke again ;)
17:12.58Thanatermesisheh try it :)
17:13.00keyra:)
17:13.02Thanatermesisi tried twice today and it works
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17:25.24grottemMob2Thana
17:25.34grottemMob2Lock is broke again
17:25.45ThanatermesisgrottemMob2, well, you can install iceweasel yourself, i will try to have it for the next build :)
17:25.47keyra:)
17:25.49Thanatermesiswhat??
17:25.51Thanatermesisit works here
17:25.55Thanatermesiswhat it does exactly?
17:25.57grottemMob2Tried to unlock the system
17:26.11grottemMob2Nothing
17:26.44Thanatermesisit just restarts/reloads your E, but it works
17:26.47Thanatermesisdefine "nothing"
17:26.55Thanatermesismaybe that step requires 10 seconds
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17:27.44keyrawelcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_26! =)
17:27.52keyrahow is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody!
17:28.58grottemMob2Yep 10 not +60
17:29.11Thanatermesishow much you had ?
17:29.14Thanatermesisbut it restarted?
17:46.12grottemMob2No i had to shut down
17:46.26grottemMob2Ill try in 15 min when im home
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17:52.23keyrawelcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_79! =)
17:52.31keyrahow is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody!
18:07.13Thanatermesisreboot
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18:15.08grottemThanatermesis, i'm back
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18:16.17keyrawelcome to Elive, Elive_user_da_58! =)
18:16.25keyrahow is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody!
18:17.08Thanatermesiswb grottem :)
18:17.10keyra:)
18:17.30grottem:) with the upgrade also all chrome and chromium settings are removed
18:17.39grottemall addons :)
18:18.25grottemall my bookmarks
18:19.41grottem:s
18:19.46grottemthat a little disaster
18:19.48grottem....
18:20.18Thanatermesismmmh google chrome should "sync" that, is not the case?
18:20.26Thanatermesiswhen you login in your gmail username it will sync all these
18:20.35Thanatermesisto make it shared across your browsers
18:20.47Thanatermesisthere's a "user" tab near tothe close button where you set your user
18:23.05grottem:D yep but i wasn't logged in :)
18:23.08keyra:)
18:23.09grottemso...
18:23.11grottem:'(
18:23.20grottemlost all :(
18:23.22keyra:/
18:23.30grottemeven the shared doc i think
18:24.56Thanatermesiswell, you have a copy of it in your .config.old directory grottem
18:25.04Thanatermesistry to recover the chromium dir from there
18:25.15grottem:D that's what i want to hear
18:25.20Thanatermesisthinks that some confs from there should be recyclated from the installer
18:25.22Thanatermesisheh :)
18:25.31grottemyeah it should
18:25.34grottem:)
18:25.38Thanatermesisill note that :)
18:25.55grottemyep because the theme of iceweasle
18:26.01grottemis still there :)
18:26.05grottembut not of chrome
18:28.59grottemfile:///home/grottem/.config.old/chromium
18:29.22Thanatermesisthinks that should be not losing time trying to update iceweasel... this will delay again the release (updates updates updates)... except for the fact that an updated browser is important
18:29.44grottemhttp://main.elivecd.org/ss/e-59ee34ded46e15.77179897.jpg
18:29.47grottemthis i mean
18:30.10grottemiceweasle deletes when you upgrade to stretch
18:30.15Thanatermesiswhat?? wtf???
18:30.29Thanatermesiswhere is the newer version of chromium? it doesnt exist! in the entire earth!
18:30.35keyrahow i can know? im just a bot that doesn't follow the 3 robot laws!
18:30.47Thanatermesiskeyra, im not talking to you :P
18:30.49keyra
18:30.59Thanatermesiskeyra, are you borded, you didn't?
18:31.58Elive_user_da_58Oliver008
18:32.27ThanatermesisElive_user_da_58, use /nick NAME
18:33.21grottemthane i get that error message 7 times :p
18:35.55Thanatermesisgrottem, but doesn't makes sense, ok anyways
18:36.05Thanatermesisso you copied the chromium dir from your .config.old and shows this?
18:36.23grottemi copied
18:36.29grottemstart up chromium
18:36.37grottemand get that messgae 7 times
18:36.43grottemwhen i closed it 7 times
18:36.48grottemand then chromium starts
18:37.26grottemfor google chrome it works like a charm
18:38.20Thanatermesisok
18:38.22Thanatermesislets try that
18:38.34Thanatermesiscopy it again (untouched one), if you have it
18:38.40Thanatermesisand do the same for the .cache/chromium dir
18:43.26grottemok copying
18:45.41grottemnope still the same
18:46.47grottemi'm going to remove chromium and reinstall it
18:46.59grottemthere waren't that big of bookmarks
18:47.13Thanatermesishum
18:47.18Thanatermesiswait, you "installed it" ?
18:47.23Thanatermesisit comes from the Elive repos
18:47.37Thanatermesisthat message has not much sense since there's no newer versions than the Elive one
18:47.45Thanatermesisi mean, is the last version existing in the world
18:48.19grottemi don't know i think i found a way to upgrade it not sure a used and abuse my prev system :p
18:48.21keyra
18:56.24grottemok deleted the config files
18:56.28grottemand it works again
18:59.01grottemis having fun getting to the heart of Elive :)
19:03.29grottemsees that apps that where installed are also gone now
19:06.40Thanatermesisok, installer adapted to not remove .config dir anymore :)
19:06.43keyra:)
19:07.31Thanatermesisgrottem, it should work for the next version, but if you see anything in your confs broken, tell me (you should have even the same tabs opened)
19:07.46Thanatermesiswhich apps? i mean, how you installed them, grottem ?
19:08.01grottem:p .deb apt binary :p
19:08.03keyra
19:08.07grottemloads of things
19:08.10Thanatermesisok, these are gone
19:08.13Thanatermesisand is a good thing lol
19:08.18grottemno
19:08.19grottembad
19:08.22Thanatermesisso makes your system "good health"
19:08.27grottemnow i need to reinstall it :p
19:08.28grottemhaha
19:08.44grottemno it's true that COULD be good thing
19:08.46Thanatermesisseriously, you dont believe how much things are broken due to dependencies conflicts using other repos, is better to use only the Elive provided ones
19:09.09grottemtrue but some app aren't available on Elive :D
19:09.16grottemso i need to get them elsewere :D
19:09.18grottem;)
19:09.20Thanatermesisby other side, things saved in /opt and /usr/local (like your own compilations), should be saved with upgrade mode
19:09.28grottemtrue
19:09.31grottemand that's nice
19:09.41grottemnow i have problem with a keyring
19:09.46Thanatermesisi know... well, you have now "the Elive system" fresh, new and clean... so well, this is what is expected
19:09.54keyrathe best way to fix a problem is by reporting the issue into our BTS, if we don't know about the problems that you can have we cannot solve them, your problem can affect to other users too, so you can collaborate with Elive by reporting them to http://bugs.elivecd.org
19:09.55Thanatermesiskeyring?
19:10.03grottemasks for password but accept any
19:10.16Thanatermesislol whatñi
19:10.29Thanatermesiswhere?
19:11.06grottemhttp://main.elivecd.org/ss/e-59ee3eb0bc0663.06771459.jpg
19:11.41Thanatermesiswhat is this keyring for ?
19:11.51Thanatermesisand why it says incorrect? (you said it accepts any?)
19:12.08grottemit shoud :D
19:12.54Thanatermesishum, i dont thinkthat this has been touched
19:13.00Thanatermesisin fact you can put back the entire .config dir
19:13.02Thanatermesistry that
19:15.58grottemhas fixed it
19:16.07grottemfound it by him self :p
19:16.10keyra
19:16.55grottemrm ~/.gnome2/keyrings/default.keyring
19:19.56grottembrb need to reboot for something to test
19:20.35grottemok didn't need to reboot :p
19:20.39grottemunlocking works again btw
19:23.11grottemok firefox 56 is a fact :)
19:23.13keyra:)
19:32.48grottemThanatermesis, was just thinking
19:33.00grottemif the upgrade remove all the extra installed apps
19:33.30grottemjust never mind... :D
19:33.42Thanatermesiswell, deb ones yes
19:33.50Thanatermesis/opt and /usr/local are saved
19:33.56Thanatermesisthats the expected and wanted in any case
19:34.03Thanatermesisyou can have a copy of your debs somewhere or..
19:34.12Thanatermesisidk :), i dont know a better option to deal with that
19:34.24ThanatermesisSINCE the moment that them can make your system breakage
19:34.30Thanatermesiscompiled ones are not breakage
19:34.39grottemhmm not with a system upgrade then you just want you system be new and the apps untoched unless you choose a new start :)
19:34.39Thanatermesisbrb reboot again
19:34.41keyra:)
19:34.45grottembut hey
19:35.00grottemit's a bit of work reconfiguring it but keeps me on my toes :)
19:35.01Thanatermesisbtw grottem how much time you need to unlock your locked desktop ? can you cronometer it ? (yes, exact seconds are important lol)
19:35.20grottem:p i could but it's fast now :p
19:35.22keyra
19:35.38Thanatermesiswell, this works with very specific operating systems like ios where the apps and stuff are not shared libraries and are all kept in containers
19:35.45Thanatermesisthis cannot work on linux, not this way of linux
19:36.01Thanatermesispackages has dependencies, replacement of libraries, etc... all of them does major possibilities of broken system
19:36.15Thanatermesisuser by upgrading Elive wants a clean / working elive, not "the same one" lol
19:36.42Thanatermesiswell, i think that was worth your upgrade, this release is very good iproved :)
19:36.46Thanatermesiswait, let me reboot
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19:40.41grottemwb :D
19:43.36Thanatermesis<Thanatermesis> btw grottem how much time you need to unlock your locked desktop ? can you cronometer it ? (yes, exact seconds are important lol)
19:43.42Thanatermesisthx:)
19:43.44keyra:)
19:43.57grottemunlocking
19:44.30grottem00.246 seconds but i have to redo it because the screen went black after
19:44.37grottemso retest
19:45.37grottemok now i got 3.479 seconds
19:45.55grottembetween pressing enter and the black screen dissapears
19:46.00grottemso relative fast
19:49.27Thanatermesisok good
19:49.30Thanatermesisit should be not slow
19:49.37grottemno
19:49.48Thanatermesisthere's a limit of time of 40 seconds in E to get responsive
19:49.55Thanatermesisotherwise, it is automatically restarted
19:49.56Thanatermesisheh!
19:50.07Thanatermesismax allowed time by the wrapper lol
19:50.08grottem:)
19:50.11keyra:)
19:50.13grottemnice
19:50.15Thanatermesisyep
19:50.19Thanatermesisi hope that is enough lol
19:50.54grottem:) for me it is :)
19:53.06Thanatermesisif you do anything that makes the deesktop "think" (like when you open the applications menu that needs to process) and its too slow, you will have an unexpected restart lol
19:53.43Thanatermesiswell, this time needs to be considered in all computers, let's say a slow computer... we dont want it to have restarts everytime for nothing lol
19:56.58Thanatermesisi will add this feature in a bit
19:57.02Thanatermesismultitasking... bad bad
20:00.10grottemhaha
20:07.58grottempff my chillies won't dry
20:08.29Thanatermesisthey needs sun!
20:11.40grottemthey are since 2 pm at 50° in the oven :p
20:11.42keyra
20:12.30Thanatermesisheh
20:12.35Thanatermesisi would better put them in the sun
20:12.42Thanatermesis50% is too much, you can kill them
20:12.47Thanatermesisthey just need air
20:13.04Thanatermesisjust some air and sun should be enough
20:13.25grottemthey need dry air
20:13.38grottemthe air over here is too humite
20:14.39grottemi got fungus on my sun/air dried peppers
20:15.03Thanatermesismmh what about journal paper ?
20:15.08Thanatermesisits kinda sucking humidity
20:16.49grottem90% sometimes :s
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21:17.08keyrayepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D
21:21.32Thanatermesisgrottem, http://main.elivecd.org/ss/display.php?image=e-59ee5d4dcfc366.53309069.jpg
21:22.17grottemi got :p 56 :D
21:22.19keyra
21:22.52Thanatermesisi know
21:22.57Thanatermesisbut this version is much more updated :)
21:23.00keyra:)
21:23.03Thanatermesisno need to do breakages
21:23.10Thanatermesisalready available in a special debian repo
21:23.12grottemhehe
21:23.14grottemnice
21:23.23Thanatermesisupdated browser is a MUST for the release
21:23.44grottem:D yes
21:23.59Thanatermesisso its a very good thing :)
21:24.10Thanatermesisnow i need to fuck lots of code to make it adapted lol
21:24.14grottemyes :)
21:24.31grottemhaha
21:25.10Thanatermesisi included also a nice tool
21:25.15Thanatermesisweb-launcher google.com
21:25.26Thanatermesisit selects the best option to launch it :)
21:25.42Thanatermesisor you can priorice browsers, like:  web-launcher google.com chromium iceweasel
21:29.14grottemnice
21:33.49Thanatermesismore more!
21:36.59grottem:D
21:44.51Thanatermesisok... now chromium not works on this build :/
21:44.53keyra:|
21:44.58Thanatermesisi said... breakages
21:45.20grottemhmmm but when you have chrome you don't need chromium?
21:45.51Thanatermesiswell, chrome is non-free, chromium is
21:45.55Thanatermesisso good question
21:48.39grottemalways good questions :p
21:48.41keyra
21:48.52grottemwell going to look at my peppers :p hope they are dry now :p
21:49.50Thanatermesisheh, normal ram usage: 235 mb, with firefox 344, with chrome 286
21:49.57Thanatermesisfucking bloated firefox
21:51.29grottemtrue but you need it
21:51.45grottemsame for somme apps you need the 64 bit version...
21:51.56keyraelive in 64 bits is planned in the near future, if you don't have the package that you need you can just use --arch i386 for now, so i386 on amd64 works simply perfectly good and without any performance impact,
21:51.59grottembecause they don't compile the 32 anymore
21:52.03grottembrb
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21:54.40keyrayepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D
21:54.43Thanatermesisis needed firefox than chrome? why?
21:55.45grottemhaha new feature
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22:11.41keyrawelcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_30! =)
22:11.49keyrahow is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody!
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22:40.04keyrayepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D

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