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03:32.51 | keyra | welcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_31! =) |
03:32.59 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody! |
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10:04.32 | Thanatermesis | !memo grottem i have another betatest for you :), about upgraded .e dir, ping me when you are going to try the new version :D |
10:04.32 | keyra | Ok, I'll notify grottem when I see him/her around! |
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10:44.42 | keyra | grottem, memo for you: <Thanatermesis/#elive/2017-10-23 12:04> i have another betatest for you :), about upgraded .e dir, ping me when you are going to try the new version :D |
10:45.30 | Thanatermesis | grottem, forget it, im just doing an upgrade :) |
10:45.32 | keyra | :) |
10:45.44 | grottem | ok |
10:45.58 | grottem | was in a forest for a little walk |
10:46.09 | Thanatermesis | nice! :) |
10:46.16 | Thanatermesis | is already cold there? |
10:46.24 | Thanatermesis | temp started to decrease here |
10:46.27 | grottem | sun is shining |
10:47.16 | grottem | its between 15 and 20 degrees so rather warm |
10:47.28 | grottem | it's to hot for the time of year |
10:47.56 | Thanatermesis | yeah! |
10:49.28 | grottem | i still walk around in short and tshirt |
10:52.04 | Thanatermesis | heh |
10:52.18 | Thanatermesis | i think that soon you could not do that |
10:52.25 | Thanatermesis | grottem, btw, 2.9.11 is uploaded! |
10:52.35 | grottem | ok this mean |
10:52.42 | grottem | test the usb :D |
10:52.59 | grottem | and do a full upgrade :) |
10:53.01 | keyra | :) |
10:53.02 | Thanatermesis | short & cut changelog from an email: The new version features: much more performant desktop & rendering (164%), lots of fixes and stabilizations, new features to watch and recover from possible blocked desktops, improved installer, better video rendering, font sizing autodetection per screen dpi & resolution, etc |
10:53.05 | keyra | Thanatermesis ping, somebody needs you |
10:53.09 | Thanatermesis | yeah :) |
10:53.22 | Thanatermesis | grottem, test the zsync mode of usb-bootable-tool to see if works :) |
10:53.30 | keyra | zsync is awesome! you can download new elive isos by just using a 10% of data transfer, try something like this example: zsync -i elive_2.9.7_beta_hybrid.iso http://isos.elivecd.org/development/elive_2.9.8_beta_hybrid.iso.zsync |
10:54.16 | grottem | haha |
10:54.24 | grottem | keyra update your message :p |
10:54.26 | keyra | :þ |
10:55.48 | Thanatermesis | mmh, true |
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10:57.44 | keyra | yepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D |
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11:01.48 | Thanatermesis | hey keyra, how to record Elive in a usb ? |
11:01.56 | keyra | use usb-bootable-elive tool to automatically download and record your USB with Elive. If you are in other linux* use "dd" or Usb-ImageWriter, if you are in Windows use UsbWriter |
11:02.45 | grottem | or pendrive works like a charm |
11:02.55 | Thanatermesis | what is pendrive? |
11:03.07 | grottem | a tool to write img to usb :) |
11:03.09 | keyra | :) |
11:03.28 | grottem | i think it also has a automatic img download but not sure |
11:04.11 | Thanatermesis | mmh, im just looking it, this one is not good |
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11:04.20 | Thanatermesis | see : https://www.pendrivelinux.com/wp-content/uploads/Universal-USB-Installer2.png |
11:04.24 | Thanatermesis | it does the same thing as unetbootin |
11:04.30 | Thanatermesis | it CHANGES your image structure |
11:04.39 | keyra | do not use unetbootin, use dd which will dump the correct structure of partitions and filesystems and everything needed, those tools just copy the files and decide by themselves how to make it booting, making it not so reliable as the many hours that we spend on making it to rock! :) |
11:04.46 | grottem | never had a problem with it |
11:04.48 | Thanatermesis | exactly ^ keyra |
11:05.02 | Thanatermesis | grottem, but it modifies the image, it should not |
11:05.17 | Thanatermesis | the suggested tools by keyra dont modify them, they just "dump" to the usb |
11:05.37 | grottem | ok |
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11:07.27 | Thanatermesis | otherwise things can be broken and features missing |
11:07.58 | Thanatermesis | hum, i should add a checker for that and warn the user in live mode lol |
11:08.03 | keyra | live mode means the not-installed Elive, so Elive booted from a USB or DVD |
11:08.25 | Thanatermesis | keyra, you should have a feature to filter to "who" are you answering some questions! |
11:09.35 | grottem | is away: |
11:30.05 | Thanatermesis | !memo grottem i need to do a fast check, do you have any USB that has been recorded with unetbootin or pendrive? |
11:30.05 | keyra | Ok, I'll notify grottem when I see him/her around! |
11:30.19 | keyra | do not use unetbootin, use dd which will dump the correct structure of partitions and filesystems and everything needed, those tools just copy the files and decide by themselves how to make it booting, making it not so reliable as the many hours that we spend on making it to rock! :) |
11:54.33 | PrinceAMD | <Thanatermesis> but don't worry, PrinceAMD is here to help! :) | yeah... no |
11:55.05 | PrinceAMD | * Thanatermesis thinks that keyra is in love with PrinceAMD | she plays so hard to get, it's as if she's a bot |
11:55.07 | keyra | you think so? |
11:55.13 | PrinceAMD | have a great week guys! |
11:55.18 | keyra | ok so, are you telling me that you have high biology studies that makes you know what is alive and what is not? so what about fire? it has the ability to reproduce itself, to eat, to die... |
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13:09.48 | keyra | grottem, memo for you: <Thanatermesis/#elive/2017-10-23 13:30> i need to do a fast check, do you have any USB that has been recorded with unetbootin or pendrive? |
13:10.04 | grottem | not anymore Thanatermesis |
13:10.12 | grottem | if you want i could create one |
13:10.18 | Thanatermesis | yeah that could be nice |
13:10.29 | Thanatermesis | with any iso, i just need "to have it recorded with" |
13:10.43 | grottem | :) i'll first need to start my vm |
13:11.04 | Thanatermesis | vm for usb creation? |
13:11.20 | grottem | pendrive does it work in linux? |
13:11.27 | Thanatermesis | idk :) |
13:11.29 | keyra | :) |
13:13.50 | grottem | don't find it |
13:13.58 | grottem | i know it could create multiboot |
13:14.03 | grottem | that a nice feature |
13:16.46 | grottem | windows update mmm that's an hour waiting :p |
13:16.48 | keyra | :þ |
13:28.28 | grottem | Thanatermesis, was thinking couldn't i install a distro in virtual box from the fysical usb drive? |
13:38.02 | grottem | Thanatermesis, my system doesn't recognice the usb |
13:47.28 | Thanatermesis | hum... |
13:47.37 | grottem | it's fixed |
13:47.53 | grottem | but trying to get elive img with pendrive because it isn't listed |
13:47.59 | Thanatermesis | grottem, well i think that vbox cannot boot from usb, but you can create an HD image based on the usb image |
13:48.10 | keyra | use "usb-bootable-elive" tool to automatically download and record your USB with Elive. If you are in other Linux* use "dd" from a terminal or the Usb-ImageWriter tool, if you are in Windows use UsbWriter, please do not use other tools than the suggested ones |
13:48.12 | Thanatermesis | why is not listed? damn... |
13:48.28 | grottem | now puppyos yes elive no |
13:48.54 | Thanatermesis | if they has it, Elive will have more users |
13:50.27 | Thanatermesis | well, maybe because Elive has not a stable yet |
13:51.32 | grottem | true |
13:51.49 | grottem | if you are listed in the dropdown it can enhance the userbase |
13:52.19 | grottem | also there is a direct download link so start the installer click download and you have no worries |
13:55.27 | grottem | and they only work with iso not img |
13:55.28 | grottem | ... |
13:55.37 | grottem | grrr have to download the iso now |
13:58.59 | Thanatermesis | <grottem> if you are listed in the dropdown it can enhance the userbase |
13:59.00 | Thanatermesis | a LOT |
14:00.25 | Thanatermesis | i think that is needed to brainstorm the "possible coming from" places to Elive in order to improve it for the 3.0 release (for example, contact these usb-creator tools to make it working with elive, contact specific magazines, sites like reddit or slashdot, etc) |
14:00.29 | Thanatermesis | thats called strategy :) |
14:00.31 | keyra | :) |
14:00.36 | Thanatermesis | and keyra likes it! |
14:01.04 | grottem | too |
14:01.15 | grottem | but i think its wise to wait |
14:01.29 | Thanatermesis | wait what? |
14:01.38 | grottem | until the debian base is changed from wheezy to stretch... |
14:01.51 | Thanatermesis | wait is a never-ending loop lol |
14:02.06 | grottem | this would be nice to wait for |
14:02.08 | Thanatermesis | better now than nothing |
14:02.28 | grottem | otherwise you get known as the old distro |
14:02.43 | Thanatermesis | yes, amd64 too, uefi too... but this who knows when happen? better now than never, and also if userbase dont grows, Elive will be dead |
14:03.09 | Thanatermesis | heh, there's a marketing sentence which says "there's not a bad publicity, there's just publicity" |
14:03.18 | Thanatermesis | if ppl talks about Elive is old, they -TALKS- about elive, which is good |
14:03.29 | Thanatermesis | "elivewhat? what is elive? let me see.. oh nice!" |
14:03.29 | grottem | true but if they don't use it... |
14:03.52 | grottem | they talk about it |
14:03.55 | grottem | but.... |
14:04.53 | grottem | ok it accepts the iso |
14:07.17 | Thanatermesis | grottem, check the bottom of the doc :) |
14:07.20 | keyra | :) |
14:07.51 | grottem | remind me about chilli! in 60 min |
14:07.51 | keyra | grottem: don't worry! I will remind you about "chilli!" in 60 min |
14:09.32 | grottem | yep seen it :D |
14:12.28 | grottem | Thanatermesis, added something |
14:18.54 | Thanatermesis | ok :) |
14:18.56 | keyra | :) |
14:18.57 | Thanatermesis | we need to make a big list |
14:19.04 | Thanatermesis | and brainstorm all the possibiilies |
14:19.26 | Thanatermesis | which means researching in internet, what the users most use, like common forums, youtube linux channels, etc... |
14:20.48 | grottem | yep |
14:25.22 | grottem | this version of virtual box don't allow booting from usb |
14:25.34 | keyra | use "usb-bootable-elive" tool to automatically download and record your USB with Elive. If you are in other Linux* use "dd" from a terminal or the Usb-ImageWriter tool, if you are in Windows use UsbWriter, please do not use other tools than the suggested ones |
14:33.15 | Thanatermesis | none of htem |
14:33.26 | Thanatermesis | you need ot create an HD image with the usb image |
14:33.36 | grottem | they bloody should |
14:33.42 | grottem | lazy oracle bastards |
14:33.44 | grottem | :) |
14:33.46 | Thanatermesis | yep |
14:33.46 | keyra | :) |
14:34.07 | Thanatermesis | vboxmanage convertfromraw --format VMDK elive.img vbox-hd.vmdk |
14:34.18 | Thanatermesis | that is the way, then you add the disk as a disk and boot from the disk lol |
14:34.21 | Thanatermesis | anyhow |
14:35.03 | Thanatermesis | and if you want to us epersitence you need to resize it lol |
14:35.10 | Thanatermesis | grottem, use a real usb in a real computer? |
14:35.27 | grottem | well doing it now |
14:35.49 | grottem | so i'm going offline in a couple of secs just testing the elive usb tool :p |
14:35.51 | keyra | :þ |
14:35.51 | grottem | :D |
14:39.27 | Thanatermesis | grottem, did you used usb-bootable-elive ? |
14:39.32 | Thanatermesis | or you are upgrading your system ? |
14:39.37 | Thanatermesis | dont know which test we dong now |
14:40.10 | grottem | well |
14:40.19 | grottem | i'm going to use usb boota... |
14:40.29 | grottem | to write the correct img on usb |
14:40.39 | grottem | (hopefully) |
14:40.44 | grottem | then do the update :) |
14:40.47 | keyra | :) |
14:40.51 | grottem | (hopefully) |
14:40.57 | grottem | without any dataloss |
14:41.00 | grottem | (hopefully) |
14:41.24 | Thanatermesis | heh |
14:41.29 | Thanatermesis | betatesting is always dangerous |
14:41.39 | Thanatermesis | i have already did some tests if you feel more safe :) |
14:43.45 | grottem | nope |
14:43.48 | grottem | haha |
14:53.38 | Thanatermesis | grottem, what is the name of that cli browser you said the other day? |
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15:02.31 | grottem | ok |
15:02.32 | grottem | brb |
15:02.41 | grottem | going to try the usb |
15:02.47 | grottem | wish me luch :D |
15:02.50 | grottem | luck |
15:02.53 | Thanatermesis | grottem, wait |
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15:07.56 | keyra | grottem: chilli! |
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15:09.14 | keyra | welcome to Elive, Elive_user1! =) |
15:09.22 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody! |
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15:14.55 | keyra | welcome to Elive, Elive_user_da_18! =) |
15:15.03 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody! |
15:28.56 | Thanatermesis | apug |
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15:29.17 | keyra | yepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D |
15:29.33 | Thanatermesis | !keyword apug apug is an alias for your terminal (alias | grep apt) to upgrade your system |
15:29.33 | keyra | Defining 'apug' with: 'apug is an alias for your terminal (alias | grep apt) to upgrade your system'. |
15:33.04 | Elive_user_da_18 | sselurinn |
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15:38.15 | keyra | welcome to Elive, Elive_user_es_32! =) |
15:38.23 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody! |
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15:47.17 | keyra | welcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_24! =) |
15:47.25 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody! |
15:47.29 | Elive_user_en_24 | Thanatermesis, You have an older version of Elive in your hard disk. Version 'beta - 2.9.0' |
15:47.31 | Elive_user_en_24 | haha |
15:47.52 | Thanatermesis | i should include a message that says "this is a dinosaur!" |
15:48.30 | grottemUpgrade | hehe |
15:48.46 | grottemUpgrade | Do you want to use Google Chrome instead of Firefox? Sometimes one works better than the other depending of your computer's graphical card. |
15:48.54 | grottemUpgrade | ... i want you keep all |
15:49.02 | Thanatermesis | grottemUpgrade, btw, did you have see any "null" (yeah, typed "null") messages in eltrans ? |
15:49.27 | grottemUpgrade | no not yet |
15:49.32 | Thanatermesis | grottemUpgrade, ok, this needs a rephrase, it says "use now", not about what you will have installed later |
15:49.38 | Thanatermesis | thinks that there's a bug in the auto translator |
15:49.51 | grottemUpgrade | but i need to work on eltrans asap |
15:50.22 | grottemUpgrade | ooh it for the installer module |
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15:50.31 | keyra | welcome to Elive, Elive_user1! =) |
15:50.39 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody! |
15:51.06 | Thanatermesis | "launching web using chrome instead of firefox?" |
15:51.09 | Thanatermesis | humm... |
15:51.14 | Thanatermesis | "launching web now... " ? |
15:51.19 | Thanatermesis | start web ? |
15:51.31 | Thanatermesis | yeah start web |
15:51.51 | grottemUpgrade | meh it's just for the donation so it doesn't mather what you use |
15:52.03 | grottemUpgrade | i think you could remove it |
15:52.10 | grottemUpgrade | just start a browser |
15:53.21 | Thanatermesis | it matters because in some computers Chrome not works, and in some others Iceweasel not works (thats why the asking message, only) |
15:53.51 | Thanatermesis | yeah that would be better, but how to know? :) the only way is user-choice |
15:54.07 | grottemUpgrade | rephrase: 'what do you prefere for your download module chrome or firefox' |
15:54.13 | grottemUpgrade | add 2 butons |
15:54.18 | grottemUpgrade | 1 firefox 2 chrome |
15:54.23 | grottemUpgrade | no yes or no questoin |
15:54.32 | grottemUpgrade | more clear for user and more user friendly |
15:56.09 | grottemUpgrade | could you do somehting about the game |
15:56.14 | Thanatermesis | mmh... can do this, run: display http://main.elivecd.org/ss/e-59ee10f7d56e61.80496670.jpg |
15:56.38 | grottemUpgrade | maybe a message 'would you like to play mario while you wait' |
15:56.40 | keyra | of course! :) |
15:57.08 | Thanatermesis | heh too much messages if ask for game (just close it), in the future will be replaced btw |
15:57.14 | Thanatermesis | keyra, not you! go to work! :| |
15:57.17 | keyra | don't worry, be happy! |
15:57.22 | Thanatermesis | heh |
15:57.52 | grottemUpgrade | :) yeah but now when you sound is on you shit your pants :p because it's loud :p |
15:57.54 | keyra | "pants OFF!" |
15:57.56 | keyra | :þ |
15:58.19 | grottemUpgrade | and yes someting like that without the x and V :p because that could confuse users |
15:58.49 | Thanatermesis | heh, thats the not-possible part grottemUpgrade, thats why i showed you the screenshot :) |
15:58.51 | keyra | :) |
15:58.52 | Thanatermesis | it can only loook like this |
15:58.56 | Thanatermesis | cannot change the icon |
15:59.00 | Thanatermesis | mmh, maybe with another tooll... |
15:59.28 | grottemUpgrade | euhm normaly you should change that maybe with an other parameter or so |
16:00.07 | grottemUpgrade | if you can do it with C# :p you could do with anything |
16:01.37 | Thanatermesis | C ? nah! too much work! |
16:01.42 | Thanatermesis | but wait, i thinkthat i have found how :) |
16:02.18 | grottemUpgrade | :) |
16:02.23 | grottemUpgrade | good boy :D |
16:05.07 | Thanatermesis | grottemUpgrade, display http://main.elivecd.org/ss/e-59ee132b302ff9.85281994.jpg |
16:05.59 | grottemUpgrade | see that is something a noob could understand :) |
16:06.01 | keyra | :) |
16:07.05 | Thanatermesis | Select the prefered web browser you want to use to continue with the installation. Depending of your graphic card, one works better than the other. |
16:07.30 | Thanatermesis | purfect |
16:08.26 | Thanatermesis | next next! grottemUpgrade |
16:08.41 | grottemUpgrade | i'm just doing the waiting job now |
16:08.56 | grottemUpgrade | hope my icons aren't removed |
16:09.02 | Thanatermesis | which icons? |
16:09.14 | grottemUpgrade | of my apps :p made it more auwsome :D |
16:09.16 | keyra | :þ |
16:09.17 | grottemUpgrade | hmmm |
16:09.21 | grottemUpgrade | ok next |
16:09.23 | Thanatermesis | you installed an icon theme? |
16:09.27 | grottemUpgrade | no |
16:09.35 | Thanatermesis | how they were changed? |
16:09.44 | grottemUpgrade | i'll come to that later :p |
16:09.46 | grottemUpgrade | first things first |
16:09.48 | grottemUpgrade | autologin |
16:09.50 | Thanatermesis | ok |
16:10.10 | Thanatermesis | autologin question should be not asked if you answered it in your previous installation |
16:10.39 | grottemUpgrade | in my prev login prob this feature wasn't build yet 2.9.0 |
16:10.41 | grottemUpgrade | :p |
16:11.02 | grottemUpgrade | you should add to the text |
16:11.14 | grottemUpgrade | 'press cancel if you don't want to use auto login" |
16:11.17 | grottemUpgrade | and it's fine |
16:11.35 | grottemUpgrade | ok installed |
16:11.42 | grottemUpgrade | going to reboot |
16:11.45 | grottemUpgrade | see you soon |
16:11.49 | grottemUpgrade | (hopefully) |
16:14.10 | Thanatermesis | !memo autologin can be configured from the user-manager tool later |
16:14.10 | keyra | Ok, I'll notify autologin when I see him/her around! |
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16:15.07 | keyra | welcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_96! =) |
16:15.15 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody! |
16:15.19 | grottem | /usr/lib/user-manager/hooks.d/e17-wizard/after/21-demo-files-link.sh: Demo files dir empty |
16:15.27 | grottem | new waring msg i've never seen |
16:16.06 | Thanatermesis | good! let me check that :) |
16:16.08 | keyra | :) |
16:16.21 | grottem | nooo not good :p |
16:16.23 | keyra | :þ |
16:16.36 | grottem | also indeed my icons are gone |
16:16.40 | Thanatermesis | yes because now we know it lol |
16:16.45 | grottem | :) |
16:16.48 | Thanatermesis | where they was installed? |
16:16.57 | grottem | chat... lost all my settings |
16:17.18 | grottem | my dock is completely reset :( |
16:17.20 | keyra | :/ |
16:17.29 | grottem | have to set up all my default apps again |
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16:18.54 | grottem | and ibox are reset too :p |
16:19.05 | grottem | the one on the right :p i want for me on the left |
16:19.09 | grottem | more cool that way :) |
16:19.11 | Thanatermesis | grottem, well, you have a backup of your old .e but i suggest you tu se always the new ones :) |
16:19.27 | Thanatermesis | there's no way to recyclate parts of the confs, unfortunately |
16:19.38 | Thanatermesis | maybe the installer should ask them |
16:19.40 | grottem | i know |
16:19.56 | grottem | for most users this isn't any ussue |
16:19.57 | Thanatermesis | well, maybe for 4.0 lol |
16:20.11 | grottem | :-) but i'm not a normal user |
16:20.18 | Thanatermesis | chat should be not upgraded imho... default one is OK |
16:20.22 | grottem | when i'm done i'll give yo ua sceen shot :) |
16:20.44 | Thanatermesis | exit xchat and move .xchat2.bak /oold to the normal dir (delete previous first) |
16:20.45 | grottem | chat but my predeff channales etc |
16:21.29 | grottem | thinks he's going to write a nice script for that :) |
16:22.55 | Thanatermesis | fixed xchat not update next time |
16:23.41 | grottem | xchat should be in /etc right? |
16:24.13 | Thanatermesis | mmmh no its an user conf |
16:24.23 | Thanatermesis | not sure to understand the specifics of the question |
16:25.20 | grottem | nevermind |
16:25.27 | grottem | didn't show hiden files |
16:25.30 | keyra | press control + H in your file-manager (thunar) |
16:25.43 | grottem | brb |
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16:26.55 | grottem | jeej that's nice :D |
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16:29.08 | keyra | welcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_42! =) |
16:29.16 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody! |
16:44.49 | grottem | Thanatermesis, this worked :D |
16:45.33 | Thanatermesis | which part ? :) |
16:45.36 | keyra | :) |
16:50.13 | grottem | the chat :) |
16:50.17 | grottem | doing the icons now |
16:51.29 | grottem | http://main.elivecd.org/ss/e-59ee1e09895ea9.07392624.jpg |
16:51.44 | grottem | not complete but it's a start :p |
16:51.46 | keyra | :þ |
16:52.37 | Thanatermesis | its "yours" or is a theme you are installing/using? |
16:52.58 | grottem | didn't installed a thing or don't use a theme |
16:53.17 | grottem | just some icons i made my self some i've found on the net :p |
16:57.42 | Thanatermesis | i see :) |
16:57.44 | keyra | :) |
17:02.58 | grottem | ok got the look again :D |
17:03.12 | grottem | alse my second data partion on places :D |
17:03.21 | grottem | now the latest firefox |
17:03.29 | grottem | and i think i'm done |
17:03.42 | grottem | feels like elive is faster |
17:05.09 | Thanatermesis | you feel it? nice! :) yeah it is |
17:07.41 | grottem | yes |
17:07.53 | grottem | starting thunar etc is faster |
17:07.55 | grottem | real faster |
17:08.41 | Thanatermesis | grottem, wait, dont install firefox yet |
17:09.32 | grottem | ok |
17:09.42 | grottem | are you trying to implement it? |
17:10.54 | Thanatermesis | yep :f |
17:12.12 | grottem | :D ok |
17:12.20 | grottem | Thanatermesis, i'm back in an hour |
17:12.22 | grottem | is away: |
17:12.52 | grottem | hopes the lockscreen isn't broke again ;) |
17:12.58 | Thanatermesis | heh try it :) |
17:13.00 | keyra | :) |
17:13.02 | Thanatermesis | i tried twice today and it works |
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17:25.24 | grottemMob2 | Thana |
17:25.34 | grottemMob2 | Lock is broke again |
17:25.45 | Thanatermesis | grottemMob2, well, you can install iceweasel yourself, i will try to have it for the next build :) |
17:25.47 | keyra | :) |
17:25.49 | Thanatermesis | what?? |
17:25.51 | Thanatermesis | it works here |
17:25.55 | Thanatermesis | what it does exactly? |
17:25.57 | grottemMob2 | Tried to unlock the system |
17:26.11 | grottemMob2 | Nothing |
17:26.44 | Thanatermesis | it just restarts/reloads your E, but it works |
17:26.47 | Thanatermesis | define "nothing" |
17:26.55 | Thanatermesis | maybe that step requires 10 seconds |
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17:27.44 | keyra | welcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_26! =) |
17:27.52 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody! |
17:28.58 | grottemMob2 | Yep 10 not +60 |
17:29.11 | Thanatermesis | how much you had ? |
17:29.14 | Thanatermesis | but it restarted? |
17:46.12 | grottemMob2 | No i had to shut down |
17:46.26 | grottemMob2 | Ill try in 15 min when im home |
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17:52.23 | keyra | welcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_79! =) |
17:52.31 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody! |
18:07.13 | Thanatermesis | reboot |
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18:15.08 | grottem | Thanatermesis, i'm back |
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18:16.17 | keyra | welcome to Elive, Elive_user_da_58! =) |
18:16.25 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody! |
18:17.08 | Thanatermesis | wb grottem :) |
18:17.10 | keyra | :) |
18:17.30 | grottem | :) with the upgrade also all chrome and chromium settings are removed |
18:17.39 | grottem | all addons :) |
18:18.25 | grottem | all my bookmarks |
18:19.41 | grottem | :s |
18:19.46 | grottem | that a little disaster |
18:19.48 | grottem | .... |
18:20.18 | Thanatermesis | mmmh google chrome should "sync" that, is not the case? |
18:20.26 | Thanatermesis | when you login in your gmail username it will sync all these |
18:20.35 | Thanatermesis | to make it shared across your browsers |
18:20.47 | Thanatermesis | there's a "user" tab near tothe close button where you set your user |
18:23.05 | grottem | :D yep but i wasn't logged in :) |
18:23.08 | keyra | :) |
18:23.09 | grottem | so... |
18:23.11 | grottem | :'( |
18:23.20 | grottem | lost all :( |
18:23.22 | keyra | :/ |
18:23.30 | grottem | even the shared doc i think |
18:24.56 | Thanatermesis | well, you have a copy of it in your .config.old directory grottem |
18:25.04 | Thanatermesis | try to recover the chromium dir from there |
18:25.15 | grottem | :D that's what i want to hear |
18:25.20 | Thanatermesis | thinks that some confs from there should be recyclated from the installer |
18:25.22 | Thanatermesis | heh :) |
18:25.31 | grottem | yeah it should |
18:25.34 | grottem | :) |
18:25.38 | Thanatermesis | ill note that :) |
18:25.55 | grottem | yep because the theme of iceweasle |
18:26.01 | grottem | is still there :) |
18:26.05 | grottem | but not of chrome |
18:28.59 | grottem | file:///home/grottem/.config.old/chromium |
18:29.22 | Thanatermesis | thinks that should be not losing time trying to update iceweasel... this will delay again the release (updates updates updates)... except for the fact that an updated browser is important |
18:29.44 | grottem | http://main.elivecd.org/ss/e-59ee34ded46e15.77179897.jpg |
18:29.47 | grottem | this i mean |
18:30.10 | grottem | iceweasle deletes when you upgrade to stretch |
18:30.15 | Thanatermesis | what?? wtf??? |
18:30.29 | Thanatermesis | where is the newer version of chromium? it doesnt exist! in the entire earth! |
18:30.35 | keyra | how i can know? im just a bot that doesn't follow the 3 robot laws! |
18:30.47 | Thanatermesis | keyra, im not talking to you :P |
18:30.49 | keyra | :þ |
18:30.59 | Thanatermesis | keyra, are you borded, you didn't? |
18:31.58 | Elive_user_da_58 | Oliver008 |
18:32.27 | Thanatermesis | Elive_user_da_58, use /nick NAME |
18:33.21 | grottem | thane i get that error message 7 times :p |
18:35.55 | Thanatermesis | grottem, but doesn't makes sense, ok anyways |
18:36.05 | Thanatermesis | so you copied the chromium dir from your .config.old and shows this? |
18:36.23 | grottem | i copied |
18:36.29 | grottem | start up chromium |
18:36.37 | grottem | and get that messgae 7 times |
18:36.43 | grottem | when i closed it 7 times |
18:36.48 | grottem | and then chromium starts |
18:37.26 | grottem | for google chrome it works like a charm |
18:38.20 | Thanatermesis | ok |
18:38.22 | Thanatermesis | lets try that |
18:38.34 | Thanatermesis | copy it again (untouched one), if you have it |
18:38.40 | Thanatermesis | and do the same for the .cache/chromium dir |
18:43.26 | grottem | ok copying |
18:45.41 | grottem | nope still the same |
18:46.47 | grottem | i'm going to remove chromium and reinstall it |
18:46.59 | grottem | there waren't that big of bookmarks |
18:47.13 | Thanatermesis | hum |
18:47.18 | Thanatermesis | wait, you "installed it" ? |
18:47.23 | Thanatermesis | it comes from the Elive repos |
18:47.37 | Thanatermesis | that message has not much sense since there's no newer versions than the Elive one |
18:47.45 | Thanatermesis | i mean, is the last version existing in the world |
18:48.19 | grottem | i don't know i think i found a way to upgrade it not sure a used and abuse my prev system :p |
18:48.21 | keyra | :þ |
18:56.24 | grottem | ok deleted the config files |
18:56.28 | grottem | and it works again |
18:59.01 | grottem | is having fun getting to the heart of Elive :) |
19:03.29 | grottem | sees that apps that where installed are also gone now |
19:06.40 | Thanatermesis | ok, installer adapted to not remove .config dir anymore :) |
19:06.43 | keyra | :) |
19:07.31 | Thanatermesis | grottem, it should work for the next version, but if you see anything in your confs broken, tell me (you should have even the same tabs opened) |
19:07.46 | Thanatermesis | which apps? i mean, how you installed them, grottem ? |
19:08.01 | grottem | :p .deb apt binary :p |
19:08.03 | keyra | :þ |
19:08.07 | grottem | loads of things |
19:08.10 | Thanatermesis | ok, these are gone |
19:08.13 | Thanatermesis | and is a good thing lol |
19:08.18 | grottem | no |
19:08.19 | grottem | bad |
19:08.22 | Thanatermesis | so makes your system "good health" |
19:08.27 | grottem | now i need to reinstall it :p |
19:08.28 | grottem | haha |
19:08.44 | grottem | no it's true that COULD be good thing |
19:08.46 | Thanatermesis | seriously, you dont believe how much things are broken due to dependencies conflicts using other repos, is better to use only the Elive provided ones |
19:09.09 | grottem | true but some app aren't available on Elive :D |
19:09.16 | grottem | so i need to get them elsewere :D |
19:09.18 | grottem | ;) |
19:09.20 | Thanatermesis | by other side, things saved in /opt and /usr/local (like your own compilations), should be saved with upgrade mode |
19:09.28 | grottem | true |
19:09.31 | grottem | and that's nice |
19:09.41 | grottem | now i have problem with a keyring |
19:09.46 | Thanatermesis | i know... well, you have now "the Elive system" fresh, new and clean... so well, this is what is expected |
19:09.54 | keyra | the best way to fix a problem is by reporting the issue into our BTS, if we don't know about the problems that you can have we cannot solve them, your problem can affect to other users too, so you can collaborate with Elive by reporting them to http://bugs.elivecd.org |
19:09.55 | Thanatermesis | keyring? |
19:10.03 | grottem | asks for password but accept any |
19:10.16 | Thanatermesis | lol whatñi |
19:10.29 | Thanatermesis | where? |
19:11.06 | grottem | http://main.elivecd.org/ss/e-59ee3eb0bc0663.06771459.jpg |
19:11.41 | Thanatermesis | what is this keyring for ? |
19:11.51 | Thanatermesis | and why it says incorrect? (you said it accepts any?) |
19:12.08 | grottem | it shoud :D |
19:12.54 | Thanatermesis | hum, i dont thinkthat this has been touched |
19:13.00 | Thanatermesis | in fact you can put back the entire .config dir |
19:13.02 | Thanatermesis | try that |
19:15.58 | grottem | has fixed it |
19:16.07 | grottem | found it by him self :p |
19:16.10 | keyra | :þ |
19:16.55 | grottem | rm ~/.gnome2/keyrings/default.keyring |
19:19.56 | grottem | brb need to reboot for something to test |
19:20.35 | grottem | ok didn't need to reboot :p |
19:20.39 | grottem | unlocking works again btw |
19:23.11 | grottem | ok firefox 56 is a fact :) |
19:23.13 | keyra | :) |
19:32.48 | grottem | Thanatermesis, was just thinking |
19:33.00 | grottem | if the upgrade remove all the extra installed apps |
19:33.30 | grottem | just never mind... :D |
19:33.42 | Thanatermesis | well, deb ones yes |
19:33.50 | Thanatermesis | /opt and /usr/local are saved |
19:33.56 | Thanatermesis | thats the expected and wanted in any case |
19:34.03 | Thanatermesis | you can have a copy of your debs somewhere or.. |
19:34.12 | Thanatermesis | idk :), i dont know a better option to deal with that |
19:34.24 | Thanatermesis | SINCE the moment that them can make your system breakage |
19:34.30 | Thanatermesis | compiled ones are not breakage |
19:34.39 | grottem | hmm not with a system upgrade then you just want you system be new and the apps untoched unless you choose a new start :) |
19:34.39 | Thanatermesis | brb reboot again |
19:34.41 | keyra | :) |
19:34.45 | grottem | but hey |
19:35.00 | grottem | it's a bit of work reconfiguring it but keeps me on my toes :) |
19:35.01 | Thanatermesis | btw grottem how much time you need to unlock your locked desktop ? can you cronometer it ? (yes, exact seconds are important lol) |
19:35.20 | grottem | :p i could but it's fast now :p |
19:35.22 | keyra | :þ |
19:35.38 | Thanatermesis | well, this works with very specific operating systems like ios where the apps and stuff are not shared libraries and are all kept in containers |
19:35.45 | Thanatermesis | this cannot work on linux, not this way of linux |
19:36.01 | Thanatermesis | packages has dependencies, replacement of libraries, etc... all of them does major possibilities of broken system |
19:36.15 | Thanatermesis | user by upgrading Elive wants a clean / working elive, not "the same one" lol |
19:36.42 | Thanatermesis | well, i think that was worth your upgrade, this release is very good iproved :) |
19:36.46 | Thanatermesis | wait, let me reboot |
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19:40.41 | grottem | wb :D |
19:43.36 | Thanatermesis | <Thanatermesis> btw grottem how much time you need to unlock your locked desktop ? can you cronometer it ? (yes, exact seconds are important lol) |
19:43.42 | Thanatermesis | thx:) |
19:43.44 | keyra | :) |
19:43.57 | grottem | unlocking |
19:44.30 | grottem | 00.246 seconds but i have to redo it because the screen went black after |
19:44.37 | grottem | so retest |
19:45.37 | grottem | ok now i got 3.479 seconds |
19:45.55 | grottem | between pressing enter and the black screen dissapears |
19:46.00 | grottem | so relative fast |
19:49.27 | Thanatermesis | ok good |
19:49.30 | Thanatermesis | it should be not slow |
19:49.37 | grottem | no |
19:49.48 | Thanatermesis | there's a limit of time of 40 seconds in E to get responsive |
19:49.55 | Thanatermesis | otherwise, it is automatically restarted |
19:49.56 | Thanatermesis | heh! |
19:50.07 | Thanatermesis | max allowed time by the wrapper lol |
19:50.08 | grottem | :) |
19:50.11 | keyra | :) |
19:50.13 | grottem | nice |
19:50.15 | Thanatermesis | yep |
19:50.19 | Thanatermesis | i hope that is enough lol |
19:50.54 | grottem | :) for me it is :) |
19:53.06 | Thanatermesis | if you do anything that makes the deesktop "think" (like when you open the applications menu that needs to process) and its too slow, you will have an unexpected restart lol |
19:53.43 | Thanatermesis | well, this time needs to be considered in all computers, let's say a slow computer... we dont want it to have restarts everytime for nothing lol |
19:56.58 | Thanatermesis | i will add this feature in a bit |
19:57.02 | Thanatermesis | multitasking... bad bad |
20:00.10 | grottem | haha |
20:07.58 | grottem | pff my chillies won't dry |
20:08.29 | Thanatermesis | they needs sun! |
20:11.40 | grottem | they are since 2 pm at 50° in the oven :p |
20:11.42 | keyra | :þ |
20:12.30 | Thanatermesis | heh |
20:12.35 | Thanatermesis | i would better put them in the sun |
20:12.42 | Thanatermesis | 50% is too much, you can kill them |
20:12.47 | Thanatermesis | they just need air |
20:13.04 | Thanatermesis | just some air and sun should be enough |
20:13.25 | grottem | they need dry air |
20:13.38 | grottem | the air over here is too humite |
20:14.39 | grottem | i got fungus on my sun/air dried peppers |
20:15.03 | Thanatermesis | mmh what about journal paper ? |
20:15.08 | Thanatermesis | its kinda sucking humidity |
20:16.49 | grottem | 90% sometimes :s |
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21:17.08 | keyra | yepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D |
21:21.32 | Thanatermesis | grottem, http://main.elivecd.org/ss/display.php?image=e-59ee5d4dcfc366.53309069.jpg |
21:22.17 | grottem | i got :p 56 :D |
21:22.19 | keyra | :þ |
21:22.52 | Thanatermesis | i know |
21:22.57 | Thanatermesis | but this version is much more updated :) |
21:23.00 | keyra | :) |
21:23.03 | Thanatermesis | no need to do breakages |
21:23.10 | Thanatermesis | already available in a special debian repo |
21:23.12 | grottem | hehe |
21:23.14 | grottem | nice |
21:23.23 | Thanatermesis | updated browser is a MUST for the release |
21:23.44 | grottem | :D yes |
21:23.59 | Thanatermesis | so its a very good thing :) |
21:24.10 | Thanatermesis | now i need to fuck lots of code to make it adapted lol |
21:24.14 | grottem | yes :) |
21:24.31 | grottem | haha |
21:25.10 | Thanatermesis | i included also a nice tool |
21:25.15 | Thanatermesis | web-launcher google.com |
21:25.26 | Thanatermesis | it selects the best option to launch it :) |
21:25.42 | Thanatermesis | or you can priorice browsers, like: web-launcher google.com chromium iceweasel |
21:29.14 | grottem | nice |
21:33.49 | Thanatermesis | more more! |
21:36.59 | grottem | :D |
21:44.51 | Thanatermesis | ok... now chromium not works on this build :/ |
21:44.53 | keyra | :| |
21:44.58 | Thanatermesis | i said... breakages |
21:45.20 | grottem | hmmm but when you have chrome you don't need chromium? |
21:45.51 | Thanatermesis | well, chrome is non-free, chromium is |
21:45.55 | Thanatermesis | so good question |
21:48.39 | grottem | always good questions :p |
21:48.41 | keyra | :þ |
21:48.52 | grottem | well going to look at my peppers :p hope they are dry now :p |
21:49.50 | Thanatermesis | heh, normal ram usage: 235 mb, with firefox 344, with chrome 286 |
21:49.57 | Thanatermesis | fucking bloated firefox |
21:51.29 | grottem | true but you need it |
21:51.45 | grottem | same for somme apps you need the 64 bit version... |
21:51.56 | keyra | elive in 64 bits is planned in the near future, if you don't have the package that you need you can just use --arch i386 for now, so i386 on amd64 works simply perfectly good and without any performance impact, |
21:51.59 | grottem | because they don't compile the 32 anymore |
21:52.03 | grottem | brb |
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21:54.40 | keyra | yepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D |
21:54.43 | Thanatermesis | is needed firefox than chrome? why? |
21:55.45 | grottem | haha new feature |
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22:11.41 | keyra | welcome to Elive, Elive_user_en_30! =) |
22:11.49 | keyra | how is your experience with Elive so far? any suggestion or issue to report us so we can make it better? for a direct assistance just talk to Thanatermesi or use http://bugs.elivecd.org , your feedbacks is important for improve Elive and your reports are for the correct work for everybody! |
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22:40.04 | keyra | yepee! fresh packages uploaded! yummy yummy :D |