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| 00:35.09 | andersee | kergoth_: was it you that was asking the other day about ripping audio cassettes? |
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| 02:16.40 | GPSFan | T0mW: 0402's are a challenge for even young eyes & a microscope... |
| 02:17.11 | T0mW | challange for experience eyes, hands & microscope! |
| 02:17.21 | T0mW | s/experience/experienced/ |
| 02:17.51 | T0mW | GPSFan: the thing that throws me about the mods is the MMC wiring. |
| 02:18.26 | T0mW | GPSFan: I have a miniSD socket, I hope I wired this thing correctly on the pcb! heh |
| 02:19.20 | T0mW | GPSFan: check it out: http://www.openhardware.net/?title=ZipIt%20Addon%20Board%20mod&dir=zipit&file=zipitBoard.html |
| 02:19.36 | GPSFan | let me look... |
| 02:20.26 | T0mW | GPSFan: the SD card is flush with the case, you use your finger nail to depress it into the case and eject. |
| 02:21.00 | T0mW | GPSFan: miniUSB connector is also flush with the case |
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| 02:24.00 | GPSFan | reading http://elinux.org/wiki/ZipItMMC again you may have SO & SI reversed, but that has been a naming issue for a while. I also can't comment on the pin naming on your minisd socket. |
| 02:24.38 | GPSFan | try it if SO & SI are reversed, it just won't work. |
| 02:24.56 | GPSFan | as long as vcc, gnd & sclk are ok it shouldn't hurt anything. |
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| 08:02.08 | cantona | valgrind doesn't for arm right? |
| 08:24.00 | Russ | nope |
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| 13:41.24 | chouimat | morning |
| 13:45.45 | chouimat | hi prpplague :) |
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| 14:24.47 | chouimat | prpplague: http://www.askmen.com/jokes/2006_mar/mar15.html |
| 14:25.28 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:40.15 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 14:40.29 | CosmicPenguin | Do you think it would be fair to refer to SD and USB mass storage devices as "pseudo" LBA devices? |
| 14:42.02 | prpplague | hmm |
| 14:42.05 | prpplague | good question |
| 14:42.37 | prpplague | ok aren't both the sd and usb mass storage treated as scsi devices ? |
| 14:43.08 | CosmicPenguin | yeah, but SCSI hard drives can be addressed with a LBA |
| 14:43.20 | CosmicPenguin | or C-H-S if thats your thing |
| 14:44.07 | CosmicPenguin | I'm trying to draw a parallel between an typical embedded system where you design an image for a specific type of media |
| 14:44.37 | CosmicPenguin | and desktop systems where the image can exist on any of a IDE drive, SCSI drive, USB key, SD card, CF, etc... |
| 14:45.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: right, i was just follow a logical progression |
| 14:45.45 | CosmicPenguin | I want to make the point that x86 systems must almost always use block devices that require LBA or C-H-S addressing |
| 14:46.04 | CosmicPenguin | but I want to call SD and USB keys "psuedo" because really, deep down they're not addressed like that at all |
| 14:46.20 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: ok so sd and usb-ms simulate scsi, and scsi can be LBA, so logicall i would see no problems in calling those devices as psuedo lba |
| 14:46.52 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i can follow that |
| 14:47.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: and would agree |
| 14:47.11 | CosmicPenguin | Coolin |
| 14:47.32 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: take my opinion and $0.02 to it and you get $0.019999999999999 |
| 14:49.31 | CosmicPenguin | Heh |
| 14:49.33 | CosmicPenguin | Thats not true |
| 14:50.01 | CosmicPenguin | While I'm doing my presentation, I have you in mind as the target auidence... :) |
| 14:50.29 | CosmicPenguin | Too bad you can't come out - it would be a drunken fest |
| 14:50.41 | CosmicPenguin | Or a sauftour as the germans would style it |
| 14:51.11 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:51.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: where is it? san fran? |
| 14:51.39 | CosmicPenguin | San Jose |
| 14:51.45 | CosmicPenguin | Santa Clara actually |
| 14:51.49 | prpplague | ahh |
| 14:52.01 | CosmicPenguin | In fact, small world, its right across the street from the Santa Clara site of my old company |
| 14:52.09 | prpplague | hehe |
| 14:52.48 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i;ve got a boat load of work to do today and i can't seem to get focused and started |
| 14:53.06 | prpplague | time for some ADHD medicine |
| 14:53.24 | CosmicPenguin | I've got a meeting in 7 minutes, so there won't be any one to chat with |
| 14:53.55 | prpplague | hehe |
| 15:08.03 | prpplague | anyone know if there is a flag for indent to take care of whitespaces at the end of lines? |
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| 16:54.04 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: finally got the kinks worked out of the spi keyboard |
| 16:54.22 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: me and the designer went around and around but finally got it working |
| 16:54.39 | CosmicPenguin | cool |
| 16:54.54 | CosmicPenguin | I'm counting on you to be my goto guy when it comes to SPI |
| 16:54.54 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 16:56.29 | prpplague | heh |
| 16:56.30 | prpplague | hehe |
| 16:57.00 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: one of our problems with the last 4 or 5 designs was the keyboard |
| 16:57.19 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: where the keyboard pcb mated with the main mother board |
| 16:57.39 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: no matter what connector we used they always eiter broke or worked loose |
| 16:57.56 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: the new design uses a flex cable similiar to what you see with lcds |
| 16:58.09 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: only has 6 wires |
| 17:04.55 | chouimat|lunch | http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/The_GI_Joe-Transformers_War |
| 17:06.48 | prpplague | hehe |
| 17:06.51 | prpplague | cute |
| 17:07.51 | kergoth | morning |
| 17:08.08 | CosmicPenguin | morning |
| 17:09.13 | prpplague | kergoth: gninrom |
| 17:12.28 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: i used our old keyboard driver but i'm thinking of scrapping that and doing it based on one of the serial keyboards |
| 17:13.11 | prpplague | so much to learn, so little time, so many nudie bar dancers, so little money |
| 17:32.59 | prpplague | ok break time |
| 17:33.06 | prpplague | need 10 minutes to organize |
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| 18:43.29 | mindfunk | prpplague: if it makes you feel any better, I'm like 1 mo behind |
| 18:43.41 | mindfunk | actually, more than that |
| 18:43.51 | prpplague | mindfunk: hehe thanks it does, hehe |
| 18:44.07 | prpplague | mindfunk: i'm only a 3 or 4 hours behind at the momment |
| 18:44.16 | mindfunk | wow... |
| 18:45.32 | prpplague | mindfunk: of course i've been 4 or 5 weeks behind on projects before |
| 18:46.00 | mindfunk | prpplague: yeah, this is bad thoug |
| 18:46.02 | mindfunk | though |
| 18:46.09 | mindfunk | I claim it's bad hardware |
| 18:46.17 | mindfunk | but, no one really believes me |
| 18:46.40 | prpplague | btdt |
| 18:47.28 | CosmicPenguin | Once you work for a silicon company, its harder to make that claim |
| 18:47.39 | CosmicPenguin | because you will find out very quickly if you are a genius or a complete idiot |
| 18:47.55 | mindfunk | hrm... mebbe I'm an idiot.... |
| 18:48.10 | mindfunk | many people have made that claim before ;) |
| 18:48.41 | CosmicPenguin | Its so much easier to bag on the sillicon designers when they're not in theroom |
| 18:48.55 | mindfunk | actually, imho, it;s worse at silicon cos |
| 18:49.06 | mindfunk | because the EEs don't respect sw people |
| 18:49.19 | CosmicPenguin | Works for me, we don't respect them either |
| 18:49.22 | mindfunk | so, they always assume the sw people are the ones screwing up |
| 18:49.52 | CosmicPenguin | Here, the silicon folks always figure that the software guys will fix any problems that pop up |
| 18:50.01 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:50.10 | mindfunk | yeah, but in a silicon company (like the one I work at), they sw guys have less "pull" than the EE guys |
| 18:50.23 | mindfunk | just cause the company is run by them |
| 18:50.47 | CosmicPenguin | If a release date slips though, its our fault |
| 18:50.53 | prpplague | i never actually worked at TI, and i can tell that the sw ppl are low on the totem pole |
| 18:51.16 | CosmicPenguin | Its probably harder at a bigger company |
| 18:51.40 | CosmicPenguin | Plus we create the silicon and sofware together at this site, so all 150 of us sink or swim together |
| 18:52.02 | prpplague | CosmicPenguin: or get eaten by sharks |
| 18:52.19 | mindfunk | well, they look for people to feed to the sharks here... |
| 18:52.20 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, like we're scared of you and your little tiny ARMs |
| 18:52.27 | CosmicPenguin | oh, the arms are coming, the arms are coming! |
| 18:52.27 | prpplague | hehe |
| 18:52.30 | CosmicPenguin | :) |
| 18:52.51 | prpplague | is it time to start drinking yet? |
| 18:53.05 | mindfunk | CosmicPenguin: you in austin? |
| 18:53.15 | mindfunk | does amd make an arm processor? |
| 18:54.50 | CosmicPenguin | I am in Longmont Colorado, and we definately don't make an ARM processor |
| 18:55.08 | mindfunk | hey... used to live in boulder |
| 18:55.14 | CosmicPenguin | Oh, heh |
| 18:55.41 | CosmicPenguin | small world |
| 18:55.50 | mindfunk | this is a longshot, but do you know a guy named Dworkin? |
| 18:56.02 | CosmicPenguin | The name isn't familiar |
| 18:56.09 | mindfunk | ah... you'd remember him |
| 18:56.10 | CosmicPenguin | but I moved here a few years ago, so I don't know many people |
| 18:56.12 | CosmicPenguin | especially in Boulder |
| 18:56.16 | mindfunk | ah |
| 18:56.41 | mindfunk | there are a few big linux guys there... |
| 18:58.01 | mindfunk | http://www.poohsticks.org/drew/ |
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| 19:25.36 | DeVol | cool an embedded linux channel... |
| 19:26.15 | DeVol | perhaps here i can share my strange discovery of yesterday |
| 19:26.26 | DeVol | namely that shared libraries actually aren't shared in RAM ! |
| 19:26.35 | DeVol | what a bummer |
| 19:27.24 | kergoth | hm? |
| 19:31.10 | T0mW | morning world |
| 19:32.50 | prpplague | T0mW: hey old fart |
| 19:37.36 | T0mW | prpplague: I feel like the dead today. |
| 19:38.49 | T0mW | prpplague: the new board fits perfectly into the ZipIt, even better than I had hoped! The miniSD card sticks out 10mils and you have to depress it into the case with a fingernail to eject. |
| 19:39.16 | prpplague | lovely |
| 19:39.27 | T0mW | prpplague: now I'm looking around for a blind-loader to flash the EP7312 memory |
| 19:40.23 | prpplague | T0mW: blind-loader? i think i know what you mean, but can you clarify? |
| 19:41.22 | T0mW | prpplague: ep7312 has a blind download mode where it will blindly accept 2K bytes of data off the serial port, put it into RAM, then jump to it after 2k is recieved. |
| 19:42.05 | prpplague | T0mW: ahh, might want to check with the guys over in #ep93xx , i suspect that its the same protocol they are using |
| 19:42.32 | T0mW | prpplague: thanks Dave. |
| 19:42.40 | prpplague | np |
| 19:43.49 | T0mW | I've got about 100volts off the EL supply, but before I try the backlight mod to this unit, I'd like to get a dev system setup and download some code first. |
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| 20:23.16 | kergoth | hey |
| 20:29.18 | T0mW | GPSFan: nudge |
| 20:29.46 | T0mW | GPSFan: you got anything to download code via the rs232 into the zipit? |
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| 20:32.23 | GPSFan | T0mW: you should look at Zipitpet's website, all the tools to dl kerenl & userspace, & reflash are there. |
| 20:32.42 | T0mW | GPSFan: where is his site? |
| 20:32.52 | GPSFan | http://www.aibohack.com/zipit/ |
| 20:33.21 | T0mW | GPSFan: thank you. I think I've been there, but all I saw was a wifi downloader. I'll look again. |
| 20:34.00 | prpplague | "Download the following file and unzip it to a directory on your Windows PC" |
| 20:34.10 | prpplague | ~lart GPSFan |
| 20:34.24 | prpplague | ~fishslap GPSFan |
| 20:34.27 | ibot | ACTION slaps GPSFan up side the head with a wet fish. |
| 20:34.59 | T0mW | GPSFan: I'll contact him via email and see. All he has there is the wifi loader. |
| 20:39.28 | GPSFan | T0mW: once he had the wifi downlaoder, most everyone used that except me. he never published the old serial code for frar of novices hoseing their Zipits. |
| 20:39.41 | GPSFan | s/frar/fear |
| 20:39.47 | T0mW | ah |
| 20:40.14 | T0mW | ok, sent him some email. Not that a loader would be hard to build but if he has something I could build on... |
| 20:40.28 | T0mW | GPSFan: thanks, now get to work! |
| 20:41.06 | GPSFan | it's somewhat similar to the "shoehorn" loader. |
| 20:41.36 | GPSFan | it takes several minutes over the serial. |
| 20:42.57 | GPSFan | there is a switch in ther kernel config so that the I/O will be mapped correctly if you are running the kernel from the serial download. otherwise the wifi doesn't work, among other things. |
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| 21:19.02 | T0mW | GPSFan: did you know that the ZipIt nCS2 line goes to a via and is connected to nothing else? It is one possible way to get some bits out.. |
| 21:32.07 | prpplague | T0mW: nice |
| 21:32.30 | T0mW | prpplague: it surprised me that they left that there |
| 21:32.53 | T0mW | maybe I missed it, but I went over the board several times to make sure. |
| 21:32.57 | prpplague | T0mW: i bet it was actually connected to something before, and they just droped the rest of it |
| 21:33.12 | prpplague | T0mW: we've done that before |
| 21:33.29 | T0mW | prpplague: they have several of those, about 5 pins that go to a via and no place else. |
| 21:33.33 | prpplague | T0mW: you would love this s3c2410 sodimm |
| 21:33.42 | T0mW | heh |
| 21:33.44 | T0mW | prolly |
| 21:34.05 | T0mW | I like anything that is small and lots of MIPS |
| 21:34.14 | prpplague | hehe |
| 21:34.25 | T0mW | you're just as bad |
| 21:35.07 | T0mW | to me, anything above 10MIPS is "fast", too much 8051 code in my past. :( |
| 21:38.54 | prpplague | hehe yea |
| 21:39.12 | prpplague | i love the really small but i also like it where its usuable in projects |
| 21:39.23 | prpplague | see i don't care for the gumstix at all |
| 21:52.08 | GPSFan | T0mW: no, never rang out nCS2. I wonder what they used it for in the pre-pre prod prototypes? |
| 22:36.26 | CosmicPenguin | kergoth: so any progress on adding the vim quilt interaction? :) |
| 22:36.55 | kergoth | hehe, not yet |
| 22:37.04 | CosmicPenguin | I could have *just* used it |
| 22:37.14 | kergoth | shouldnt take very long, just a matter of adding a couple commands to call out quilt commands |
| 22:37.21 | CosmicPenguin | You know, you're in a fine looking at stuff and you figure out you need to change it |
| 22:37.24 | CosmicPenguin | s/fine/file/ |
| 22:37.39 | kergoth | could get fancy and add vim functions to list the current applied patches and stuff, or to insert that information into the file you're editing, or.. |
| 22:37.44 | kergoth | s/functions/commands/ |
| 22:38.09 | kergoth | the version of perl on my dev box is too old to run rej :( |
| 22:50.52 | CosmicPenguin | gah - I hate it when I add a file to to the wrong patch |
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